Guild Wars 2

TheAmpca.1753:

Why don’t you just go recruit transfer players if you want your server to do better.

Because with the leagues coming up no-one wants to transfer to a non t1 server? Imagine that..

Yep.. logged in on reset night… the busiest night of the week… to see about 25 people total… this is pathetic.

/\ this right here. If people are complaining they still care…. but dont worry… soon enough you will only have 4-6 servers to fight against as the other weeks will be full of empty maps

Tom Gore.4035:

Could be, but I would bet it’s the new Tequila.

After all, on invasion weeks WvW was empty too, except for those 15 minutes between the invasions.

To some extent yes. You will have the cross over players and the sometimes when we are winning wvw players that left to do Teq.

But what we are seeing out there is the dedicated WvW guilds not showing up. During the invasions they ignored Scarlet to stay in WvW… now they are just not logging in.

Tom is kind of right. But there is a part he is not seeing.

because of the population imbalances what we have is not enough people to defend a tower/keep AND defend the center ruins. If we rally up and remove the bloodlust from our BL down in the lower tiers… no-one is on other maps taking their borders. If we try and split up to many people would take over our BL and take that ruins.

So this leads to… if you are severely outnumbered and cannot take back the Ruins… just log out. Its the best defense.

THAT is what is wrong with this whole thing.

mistsim.2748:

honestly, it’s time for a massive purge. those who are bored/bitter with WvW, all the GvG fanatics, etc., take care!

fans of the game will adapt. and a lot of us are having the most fun we’ve ever had on the current BL’s.

Says the guy from T1 that has no clue about what the other 18 servers are going through

But that would hurt the zergs….. NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO

Xcom.1926:

Everyone on T1 loves it, surprise surprise.

No I will say not everyone on T1 loves it. Most of the people that actually LIKE fair and fun skin of your teeth fights hate this.

Stacking, chest thumping when they 10v1 someone and laugh tier 1 players love it. I dont blame most on Tier 1 for the fools.

uhmm thank you for proving my point?

This is horrible for the majority of SERVERS.. notice I never said majority of players.

Now, since you want everyone to stack in order to play WvW… care to give us transfer money?

wow Sos… way to pay attention to the actual point. Another example of the “hey I am fine… everyone else is the problem” mentality the devs are taking.

What you are saying is FINE for the top 6 servers… but has NO relevance on the bottom 18

LOL Sostronk. Let me explain what the outnumbered is that the lower tiers will be dealing with.

40 people in your borderlands.. another 50 in EB if your lucky.

Again a server that has 100 in ALL four borderlands for 2-3 hours.

Tell me again about the “just try harder” mentality?

The population balance is so bad.. in MOST matches.. One server completely decimates 2 others. Its not skill… its simply numbers.

selan.8354:

oh i didnt know. how about the second floor then?

Because of their code. You could use arrowcarts from the bottom to hit the lord up on the grating system. Maybe to much work to fix the error so they just moved him down.

And what are the enemy roamers doing while your roamers are taking camps in 8 minutes??

Ohh thats right… not playing. Good point.

Ahh that is sweet Spehss.. I like my signature too.

Now get out of the stacked server or your opinion is a little.. skewed.

This may have finally broke the back of the lower tiers. The top 5-6 servers will see little to no affect.

The bottom 18 servers… well… to paraphrase Devon “should have stacked!”

Kain BL is usually fighting one larger zerg of a dedicated guild along with 2-3 roaming groups.

Like 6 of us were playing around tonight… saw I think 3 people. 1 from GoM and 2 from SF.

We dont count EB. We have good commanders there (other then Mr Blue of course) but the majority of players are karma training. Most of the people I play with care about the Borderlands and let the zerging PvErs take EB.

I would NEVER judge another server based on happenings in EB. That place is a cesspool imo.

By killing the wvw at the lower tiers. No people playing.. no zergs! Great job.

Kalan.9705:

It’s like everyone ask just gave up at the same time, it’s bizarre!

Who… oh WHO could have predicted this?

OP is from JQ… says everything is great.
Fantastic… everyone move to JQ so he can start kittening some more about queue times. lol Brilliant

Julie Yann.5379:

I can see this going the way of the Karka Queen pretty soon. I think most people guesting know this, so they are guesting to good organized servers so that that can have a chance before it gets abandoned.

This is it exactly. Those guesting know that the event will be a ghost town in a couple weeks. They want to get it over with while they can.

The servers imbalance is simply horrible. To have a group of devs think any differently is laughable.

Lets put this as an example. With the buff and the server numbers being in Kains favor right now. KA decided to just have a fun night. We ran a fully (except for a guest/friend that tagged along) upleveled crew tonight for a few hours.

We took like 5-6 towers, turned two maps green and a couple keeps. With around 10-15 people (adds could have been lvl 80 but ALL KA and many of the adds were upleveled.

When we did see someone they could take on like 5-6 on 1 and sometimes live. That was WHEN we saw someone.

Other then a SF zergball there was really no-one else out there. A couple roamers from both other servers and that was it.

Well they got what they wanted. less people logging in… to bad that dont give a rats butt for us lower level servers.

Believe me SF and GOM. Kain does understand the numbers are simply against you. When we do fight… its a blast… just not that many fights out there anymore.

Anets stance.

If you are on a low pop server… TRANSFER… mass zerg PvE mass zerg WvW ftw.

You are ment to have Ascended to beat him.

AndrewSX.3794:

Wildchild.7502:

Thats the first time I hear about big guilds of T1 transfering to the lower tier… all I see is tons of low server going into higher tier so they can have a chance to get rewards

WvW Guilds work their a** off to get a server to high ranking

Anet do something which push bandwagoning even more than usual (free transfers, Wxp, Leagues)

Swarms of bandwagoners flood the T1/2 server

Queques skyrockets

Guilds transfer down in tiers to get a less quequed wvw and start fighting hard again

Repeat.

LOL and that has happened how many times? A handfull in a year. How many guilds have transfered UP? A ton.

Sounds like why SPvP sucks… avoid the fight as much as possible. This is Anets vision of good WvW. Swap towers, avoid fights with actual players = get rewarded.

Just wanna say to the GOM Legend status Guardian me and a guild mate met at NE camp in KBL.

Granted you took on two of us when I swung around from behind the building and stayed to fight. If you would have waited you would have seen me salute you in respect.

But instead you logged out before we could kill you… seriously? Legend status and you cannot even die with dignity?

Niim.9260:

The only people that are looking forward to it are those stupid enough to think PPT matters or means something.

Just quoting this part.

Well considering that there are going to be rewards (no matter how small) for that PPT… it means something.

And people stacked when it DIDNT mean anything… what is gonna happen when it does?? Yeah… thats the problem.

Gudradain.3892:

I actually like the whole league idea and can’t wait to test my server strength against all the other one!

And what server are you on?

Yerffejy.6538:

Not many people on SBI want to get Silver. We are trying to move up to gold. We would rather have some fights instead of rolling over everyone. That just sounds boring.

Mayhaps thats because you guys got a couple of large guilds or multiple guild transfers resently? If you had not… you would be avoiding getting to gold.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

You missed the part where this has already been happening for months.

Just look at the current matches: t5-7 all have a 5+ rank gaps between two of it’s opponents. 7 ranks in the case of t5 and t6.

Also, AR and DR’s already been through their phase of “moral goes down, everyone quits” (arguably for the second time in DR’s case)… that’s what lead them to the bottom. These things are cyclical and will keep happening whether the matches are staged within leagues or not.

So my question is. Why does that happen? Is it the whim of the gods? No… its because they got smashed against insurmountable odds and the players LEFT.

So because it was already happening to some degree… it is okay to FORCE it to happen for the majority of the matches… not a CHANCE of it happening… but guaranteed to.

You really do not understand this… this is prolly your first MMO or your first RvR style MMO.

For anyone saying this will not cause people to move.

I know a lower tier server that has had 3 of the biggest WvW guilds move. 2 just before the official annoucement of leagues and one after it.

It wasnt to get better rewards… it was to have an actual FIGHT. When your on a server that gets camped 4 of the 7 weeks in a row… yeah that is not exactly a server bonding experience.

So you can take “this wont effect anything” and stick it where Anet liked to stick it to WvWers.

You are not alone in this. Its not just us older gamers. Its the gamers that want to test skill… not stats… against enemies.

I have been playing MMOs for over 15 years now. The shine of PvE and of stats and artificial ways to boost my character are done and over YEARS ago.

MMOs it seems may never reach a true maturity level. It actually started out pretty well… M59, UO, even AC were not to bad in these areas. EQ was a horrible stat grind that I played for a LONG time. When WoW rolled around I was already tired of it, sadly because of the success of WoW its all anyone thinks of when they think of an MMO.

SWG went from an open world great idea with bad follow through… to a theme park mess because of the traditional model.

Frankly my time is worth more then getting punched in the face by the devs of these games for not playing/grinding enough to stay competitive. Its not about skill… and that is a shame in any game where you are testing yourself against another person.

Jski no clue what the condition meta has to do with the discussion.

And again… they have crafting. But read the OP. He is asking for Ascended weapons via laurels. Next time you ask what is wrong with someone… try to pay attention to the thread.

Keep in mind when Neandramathal says people complained…

A SMALL set of primarily the top 4-5 servers complained. Everyone else was still getting varied matches.

But since Anet devs are up on those servers (since they have NO CLUE what it is like on the lower tier) they wanted to make that a happier place.

move to a top tier server… or GTFO is basically their stance now.

Because it doesnt matter.

Rank wont matter before the league cause you will have to face the other servers in your league ANYWAY.

And the population disparage is horrible with just a few ranks difference.

Understand the league system people.

For EU I think it is three leagues of 6?

basicly. Every week you will face off against another server. This will mean in this system you will face every other server at least once.

For NA this is extra bad since its 12 ranks apart.

So lets go worst case. You are rank 11 in your tier.

Week 1 vs rank1 server = blowout
week 2 vs rank2 server = blowout
Week 3 vs rank3 server = blowout
Week 4 vs rank4 server = blowout
Week 5 vs rank5 server = blowout
Week 6 vs rank6 server = blowout
Week 7 vs rank7 server = blowout
Week 8 vs rank8 server = blowout
Week 9 vs rank9 server = possibly decent match
Week 10 vs rank10 server = decent match

That is a MAJORITY of blowouts and a couple of decent matches.

There is no company on EARTH that thinks this is a good idea. There is motive behind it. Just gotta see the big picture.

Not gonna happen.

Ascended is for the carrot chasers. The rest of us just are forced into it.

Carrot chasers TEND to be PvE focused. Anet wants to cater to that mindset and has done so with all the farming/living story events.

Ascended requires crafting. Crafting is not WvW. There is some crossover but not a lot.

Since the weapons right now require 500 crafting.. it will NEVER… EVER not be crafted.

Putting it plainly. You MUST craft for Ascended… simply the truth that will never go away.

The only exception will be when they up the level cap in about 6 months. Then a new level of Ascended or the new Transended items will come out… those you will have to do the new raid boss that takes 75 people and has Agony so you need to have at least agony resistance of 25% to not die instantly.

This is the future of GW2.

doubtful.

They only removed the Orbs because they couldnt stop the hackers. The buff problem was just a side comment to pacify people.

I

I havent spent a dime on GW2 since last November.

No updates for 7 weeks.

Then we get an update. Wanna know what it’ll be?

Merc wxp trait increased!

“That should make them happy!”

Obvious troll or not. He has a point.

No-one defends because its not worth the time.

1 of 2 things happens. First you defend because after 30 seconds they leave. Or 2 they over whelm you easily and all your efforts were for nothing. They get rewards.. you get a repair bill.

Its more fun, and more rewarding to zerg the game. To PvD everything and get that loot. If you defend.. even successfully. You are sacrificing your wxp, xp, money gain, and achievment points (except for a few).

Is this REALLY what we want as a WvW community? This is what Anet wants its been proven over the last year.

TooBz.3065:

I actually don’t think there’s anything that’s easier to get in WvW than it is to get in PvE. (I could be wrong, but I’d appreciate feedback)

Repair bills??

I do not see us getting Ascended weapons purely in WvW.

That would invalidate the crafters that got to 500. As they have proven… that is the market they will NOT invalidate so…. we will not see Ascended weapons purely in WvW. No matter what… we WILL be crafting them. There will not be an alternate way to get them. Trust me on this.

Here is the truth.

If they make it where 80 man coordinated group is what it takes… it will be abandoned in a few weeks.

If it doesnt take that coordination… it will be a zerg. Anet are no longer capable enough (may never have been) to meet that perfect middle ground.

Vayne just keep in mind. Iteration is a development strategy. Its a way to produce something BEFORE it hits the market.

Basicly saying they get a pass because they used the term iteration means you would give them a pass if they turned GW2 into a tetris style game where you earn tiles by defeating PvE mobs.

An MMO evolves but the core on release should stay as the core. Other games that have changed that core… failed… HARD. SWG being the biggest example of that.

In one year we went from

“Wanting everyone even casual players to be in BiS”
To grinding for a after release new tier of BiS

Why would you think for a SECOND that they will not add a new gear when the carrot chasers start screaming “I have all ascended now and am bored!”?

Not to mention the fact they HAVE said they will probably increase the level camp in the first couple years… which means those lvl 80 Ascended?? Yeah they are now Mystic Forge fodder while you try to grind for the level 90 version. And that is under the BEST option.

No thanks… im just waiting for something else. Even if its the same BS gear grind.. im not supporting a company that lies to its playerbase. There were a ton of things they could do other then raise the stats… they chose the lazy way of design. Well I’ll chose the lazy way of paying them… by not paying them.

A pure PvE player can get Ascended trinkets, weapons, and soon to be armor MUCH faster then a pure WvW player.

So those that PvE to get the items, can then jump into WvW and be better geared then someone who has dedicated themselves to the gamemode?? Not equal which is fine… but BETTER?

This is just stupid. Devon probably doesnt get a choice in this… but even he has got to know how stupid this idea is. It forced real RvR players away from WoW and it has forced MOST real WvW players away from GW2 already. We are left with the people that love the GW2 game sticking it out while getting punched in the nose repeatedly by the devs.

Its not long before we get sick of it too. And wvw will be nothing but PvD with zergs waving as they pass by eacho… oh wait… ITS ALREADY HAPPENING!

Sorry your server decided to stack and screw up the queue for you.

But making it so MORE people can come on the server just screws over those that already can barely fill one of the WvW maps.

I will support a way to see your place in line. But its never gonna happen. Been asking for that since beta.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

rjnemer.7816:

Unless people stop showing up, it wont fail. Its just going to take longer now.

Tequatl will have anti-zerg mechanics. Numbers will no longer guarantee victory.

Since when is 80 man event NOT a zerg?? lol