Guild Wars 2

It is at least BETTER for more of the servers overall then before. I do find it funny though that Devon announced he was going to be on NSP… and they are poised to be at the top of the bronze league… whatever. hopefully they will get stacked hardcore now and bump themselves right out and into the silver league.

Araris. You are wrong about sparing the 2-5 players.

Consider this. kaineng is not even down with the lowest servers. On each BL at any random time we might have 1 group of 5 people. If we gather up all three borderlands, we may have a zerg of 13-15.

That is 15 players to take and defend… sorry sparing 5 for bloodlust when they will get rolled on by 15 is a waste.

YOU may be able to spare those players… but most of the silver league will not be able to spare those numbers.

I moved off of JQ because I wanted to not just say something… but DO something to try and fix the stacking of t1 servers. I moved to kaineng which was the last server at the time btw and have stayed there.

I am better then everyone who has transfered off a low tier and moved to one of the big 3. Fact.

For the OP…. to match your thinking.

Just because it is the most balanced so FAR to date… does not mean we should not always and continue to try and get more balance.

If you buy a car that gets only half the listed gas mileage, then buy another car that gets 3/4 of the listed gas mileage… you would STILL want that full gas mileage right?

I would love a Account based total points. But character based point assignment.

MMO tiering 101.

Build gameworld around exotic stat level. = GW2 release
Majority of people get to the exotic stat level = gw2 1 month
Raise the stat level to cater to the traditional (WoW/EQ) model = GW2 Ascended
Majority of people get Ascended = gw2 in 3 months
Cater to the players that say the world is WAY to easy now = Increase World bosses and mob HP/Damage in all upper areas = GW2 in 5 months.
Ascended stat level now required for any high end areas
Players are getting tired of Ascended and want more challenge = Transcended trinkets

THAT is the future of GW2. By adding ascended stats when the world was designed for EXOTIC level stats… the only outcome for the future is to then raise the danger and challenge of the high end zones thus flushing out the last exotic users and pushing them to require Ascended.

Then the cycle just continues.

It might happen.. and there will be a couple that move yes. However looking at the guilds moving away once the random matchup started (nearly 0) does not make me think any will suddenly change their mind. Most likely they will take the week off to work on practice of chain attacks and resets. But moving off and not being able to claim that pride for being in the top 3? Not likely to happen.

Remember these guilds will then go to new games and use the “We was on BG in GW2 and we won first place for 4 leagues in a row, we are now recruiting for Wildstar!”

This is not a vacuum, this will be guild pride to say they were up their when it won.

With that said. I SOO hope I am wrong.

Vol.5241:

and people would still complain since ascended gear would be considered end-game gear.

Doesn’t matter that the stats are the same – the fact that stats would be interchangeable automatically makes it superior to exotic

Was going to ignore this thread but I need to comment as someone who IS against Ascended having a stat increase.

BIS means best in slot. Legendary is BiS. Same stats as ascended with with a horizontal option of changing stats, this gives them an edge against Ascended. I have NO problem with The legendaries being BiS compared to Ascended and if they had the same stats as Exotic I would have NO problem with them keeping the stat changing ability.

What we want is to not be part of a gear grind. To be with what they first said “Legendaryshould have unique looks but not be more powerful then exotics” The Ascended were added LATER to appease those PvErs and keep them grinding away.

The way it should be
Legendary = Unique looks and able to change stats out of combat, possible agony res..
Ascended = Unique looks and resistance to Agony, possible change of stats ever x days/etc
Exotics = Not able to change the stats and no bonus vs agony.

This gives the tiers that people would grind for… without the power creep that goes along with it. It makes the Legendary BiS, Ascended the mid step between and does not kitten the exotic user.

I agree with you Sir in spirit.

The reality is these people stay on t1 for a year now… they have delt with the queue and the lag. There is still no incentive with the league to move to a lower tier.

The queue will be the same, the lag will be the same, the blowouts will be a bit more then before… BUT to offset that, they now get special rewards… a big thank you from Anet for doing the stacking to begin with. Even if it is just a finisher… true PvPers are there for the glory and prestige… if they come out with the special finisher or title for coming in 1st 2nd or 3rd place… thats a big ol thank you for stacking message Anet is sending.

There is nothing in the league system to support them spreading out.

Vendetta.1958:

renmei.3102:

kaedric.2308:

With an even population the lower tier servers would still get crushed. Stop running zerker gear, learn to fight together and cover each other’s weaknesses. Learn how to defend towers, keeps, and camps. Come to a T1 server and see the huge difference in play style.

There is a lot of truth to this post. The idea that lower tier servers don’t/can’t zerg with the same numbers as the T1 servers is kinda a myth, just not across all 4 maps. The population diff is real, so usually they give up on the 2 enemy BLs and pull back into their home BL and maybe their EB corner where they blob it up with numbers equal to or greater than ours. The problem is that an 80 players zerg of zerker longbow/bear-pet rangers, flamethrower/nade engis and other non-synergetic builds and classes just melt on contact. I think that more mismatched matchups will have lower tier servers adapting and the blowout will be much smaller.. I hope.

As a former commander of a T5 server before I transferred in February, this is very true. We were a very dedicated PvE server, and most Zerglings were zerkers. Once my guild and I joined JQ, the synergy that more team based builds allow was obvious.

I beg to differ slightly and agree slightly.

So lets look at the blob. One thing that T1 and T2 DOES have over the lower tiers is the amount of truly dedicated WvWers. These are people that make their builds FOR WvW primarily. I would say probably 75% of the people in WvW are like this compared to the 40% for your average server.

However… that 40%? Yeah those guys KNOW how to do things. They synergize and use reset combo fields and offensive bombing techniques (no not just Portal bombing which usually ends up a suicide rush unless that 20 person bomb outnumbers the enemy already)

The problem is because it is far easily to win with more numbers… that 40% form the lower tiers… they just move to the higher tiers because there are more rewards for their time. As the 40% leave and drop to 20%, the PvEr zergers leave cause they cannot match the enemy servers.

The idea that we want from the lower tiers is NOT a 100% balanced match… that is impossible with human nature wanting the easier fight for most people. It is that we want a CHANCE at that equal fight.

having enough dedicated people to not even queue a single borderland… and we are ALL there against a server that can queue all 3 borderlands… that is what we DO NOT want. And if you are on the server that can queue all those borderlands and you DO want this match up… then you are the cowards that Ricky is always talking about.

My question to Vendetta. T5 still has plenty of fights… and still queues plenty of maps… so why did you leave for JQ? If you knew what you were doing and were good at it… why couldnt YOU rally the server? You moved for the same reason others do.

You get more chances at kills when faced with another t1 server, you have more allies so you cannot be steamrolled. Basicly.. you moved to have an EASIER match up.

Zenguy.6421:

Wasn’t there an Anet post some time back saying people who encounter situations like the one Dangermouse has described should report them because they constitute a breach of game rules?

Spying and other neferious deeds as this have been happening since day one… plenty have been reported….

Anyone ever heard of someone being banned.. even temp basis for doing these things?

(crickets) …. ok then.. carry on.

Not to spoil your theory Sir.

If the top servers really wanted true competition… they would not have even started stacking.

DAoC players from all sides jumped on SoR and JQ. Warhammer to Blackgate and HoD. They did not do this to have good fights.. they did it to win at all costs.

RvR guilds have done this since Everquest players moved to DAoC. They have been stacking ever since.

Player Character.9467:

because if the rumor is 4 leagues.. sos stands at the top of silver league.

Only if you really like getting roflstomped at any hour that the sun is up on NA.[/quote]

Wont be too bad. You are getting one of Kainengs last large WvW dedicated guilds come thursday and they are primary NA time zone. 40-50 strong.

insanemaniac.2456:

Chris.3290:

Interesting that this was posted in THIS particular thread. Folks might want to save up to move to SoS now before we risk getting full

y sos when sos isnt rank 13 or rank 1

because if the rumor is 4 leagues.. sos stands at the top of silver league.

Play without all your trinkets…. that is the difference.

Anyone that says its so small to not be noticeable has no clue how the stat system in GW2 works.

Kaineng didnt even queue one map on reset night lol

Sarrs. You say that while sitting on a 1.5 tier server where ONLY 3 out of the other 23 servers available have more people then you. hard to take that seriously.

Try fighting 10-1 odds in your own BL and NO-ONE on other borderlands to call in… THEN say how you dont mind it.

Rackhir…

Out of respect for this guy/gal. I am removing this statement.

Nanyetah Elohi.4852:

Q: how come I can upgrade an EB tower to t3 with full supply and hold it against two tier 1 servers for 12 straight daylight hours almost completely by myself? How much coverage does anybody really need?

because you are at a keep that is so far behind their lines that only small groups are going for it ala ninja style?

Or your lying.

TC can beat JQ and SoR?

You seriously have a lack of evidence to prove that point. Nany you HAVE to be new to the game right? Or you xfered from a low tier server aka. stacking.

TC was mid rank… had some good guilds. But then they started paying other big name guilds to transfer in. They wanted to make a push to get to tier one so they stacked the server numbers.

Other servers have done it too so its not a slam against TC directly… just against those that are ON a stacked server… then come to the forums saying “this is a great buff!”… you have no understanding of anything BUT the stacking mentality.

Then youa re going to be very sad with the league Nany.

7 weeks. 3-4 of those are gonna be you guys steamrolling the enemy and them not even out there because of the number difference. You are outmanned by BG and SoR and JQ by maybe 2-1 odds because of the stacking TC did…

wait til you outnumber the enemy 10-1… you will be having a blast.

Nanyetah Elohi.4852:

We have lots of people playing in TC and we have been playing better than ever since we got matched up with much stronger opponents. The numbers look like we are losing but we are getting better, more skilled, better leadership and strategy, better defense. Go ahead and quit.

TC still stacking then huh? Congrats on being server number 4 with the amount of people you stacked to win.

Advent… you are right. They only watch metrics.. we need to give them metrics..

I left GW2 for 5 months but really wanted to be back into an mmo.. in around 6 months another possible option will launch and although I have reservations… if done right it will be the end of any real competitive WvW for GW2.

Frankly its only the people that LOVE Guild Wars that are even still here in the WvW market. Believe it or not.. the top guilds and top servers… these guys are the CASUALs of the hardcore groups out there. Even they are packing up that emergency suitcase now.

I am sure… if I leave for another few months… I will not be back this time. The grind with dailies, and timegating means I would never be able to keep up or catch up if I took a long break… better to just drop it and never come back. And Anet cannot understand this as they no longer understand the players like they did in GW1

Tom Gore.4035:

On all three borderlands? At the same time?

Nope… the other border lands only had 5-10… but the other two didnt have the numbers in those borderlands either so…

Fair enough judge.

As to what is the difference. Well I dont like the WeXP lines giving bonuses either. With that said however those do not ONLY help the server with the bigger numbers.

Applied fortitude does not go away when you are outnumbered. Your small man is still on equal footing IF you find an equal sized group.

With the Ruins buff they are not. The server with more numbers = more power now. So you are less effective with your roaming team again an equal sized enemy.

THAT is the core issue. It re-enforces players to stack on those servers, because they will be rewarded.

Its the same as Anet taking away trinket stats if you are outnumbered. that is the problem.

lordkrall.7241:

^ But that is not really relevant to the situation.
The issue with hacking back then was the fact that you could easily take the orbs without fighting anything at all by hacking into the keeps.

That is not the case anymore since the orbs don’t work the same way.

yeah.. you can not get the orb bonus without fighting anything at all now… wait

keep in mind. If you are defending an objective to deny them points… you are also denying yourself points at the same time.

So the only ones that would defend… would be ones that had enough to still take.

Coverage,zerging and stacking still the best way to go in this situation.

Mike.7320:

It’s not my fault people kitten and moan about a buff they can’t keep because they have no coordination as a server.

Translation:

“I stacked to a better server and leech off the numbers we have, why dont you?”

Judge… your guild left the lower tier servers for one that was stacking heavily (Kaineng to TC) you are in a 1.5 tier server… of COURSE you havent seen the affect on the majority of servers this has had.

And? So do i. Your point?

Gotcha WBonetwo edited and I understand the post reasons now. Sorry about that WB.

lordkrall.7241:

In a thread where only 1 or 2 posts actually says anything at all about numbers that really isn’t so bad.
Another thing to keep in mind is that people are much more willing to post on forums if they are unhappy rather than happy with changes.

I am simply stating that based on my match-up the amount of people in WvW haven’t decreased in the least, but rather increased, which would suggest that the patch did infact NOT kill WvW.

One can also look up on the scores and such of the other match-ups which would also suggest that it is still very much alive.

So based on your logic… and on the fact that only a minority actually take the time to post… pro or con.

The WvW forums have exploded with anger and frustration about this change.

So all these players being probably only 1/100th of the actual players… are NOT playing right? Using your numbers right?

So lets say 50 people post in the negative. Thats 50 people NOT playing because of the change… thats 5000 people that are not playing because of the change.

And that is assuming we are only 1/100th of the players… by the way Anet treats us and everyone else says we are the “extreme” minority… its possible we are 1/1000th of the playerbase.

So that is 50000 people that are no longer playing WvW.

Care to continue with the numbers? Thats not adding the far fewer that are not playing but posting that they support it like yourself as well… so THEY are not playing.

I have my own stalker in Spehss! I feel loved.

prime. We can blame all the lower tiers for being cowards and weak… or we can blame all the upper tiers for stacking to win and being weak and shallow…

or we can see this is a problem and make Anet do something about it finally. The simple fact that ANYONE says these are “ok” kind of matchups proves they are just
stacking to win some stupid chest thumping kitten contest.

“I left WoW for a new game… but make the new game more like WOW!”

yeah… no. *looks around at the farming and stat increases in items"… kitten …

SoR vs FA vs DB

http://mos.millenium.org/na

These 2 servers are only 3 and 4 slots away from SOR and look at the matchup. The devs CANNOT be so ignorant of the situation as to see this as a fun matchup in any way. So it only leads to one option… they WANT this… this is what they want out of the WvW game.

Lordkrall.

Uhmm.. yes. Since your “experience” differs then EVERYONE else on this thread… id say you need to have some numbers to back that up. If you are betting on who is the liar in a lineup, you go with the guy saying the light is red, when everyone else is saying the light is blue.

I kept thinking something like that happened too but couldnt pull up any evidence cause I forgot who bought NCSoft. I will agree that is probably the biggest problem.

InWhySee.2097:

Outmanned buff on EB tonight during NA prime on TC. On a Saturday.

Yep.

I got ya beat. Outmanned buff for hours in all 3 borderlands on Reset night… and the enemy only had one zerg of like 35.

I think it got removed which is why a lot of us have a copy of it

TainoFuerte.8136:

“Return of the Centaur and Skritt has been released! With this new and exciting addition to WvW, these areas on the Borderlands have been revamped! When the Legendary Centaur Chieftain is killed, it grants the server Protection, Regeneration and Swiftness for 1 hour until he respawns. Killing the Legendary Skritt Queen grants the server 5 stacks of Might, Fury and Retaliation for 1 hour until she respawns.”

Great post and the funniest thing… and saddest. I just told this part (replaced released with announced) to a guildmate and they TOTALLY believed it! Its totally plausible and very possible to happen. THAT is just sad…

Zenguy.6421:

Ostra.3927:

NCsoft for all its faults (it has plenty) has always let ArenaNet do its own thing. During development, for the entire duration of GW1… I am not sure.

What I do know is just before GW2 was released a few of the key players from ArenaNet left the company. I did not worry to much at the time.. but I have a feeling they were really the hear and soul. These were the ex Blizzard guys btw that founded Anet, or at least a few of them were. I think that is the main problem here.

Any idea where they went?

Jeff Strain cofounder and driving force behind GW1
http://massively.joystiq.com/2009/08/12/arenanets-co-founder-comments-on-jeff-strains-departure-from-n/

Robert Hauda – Content creator for GW2 during development
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Robert-Hrouda-has-left-Arenanet/page/3#post2727739

ArenaNet employee reviews – bad management and bad intra-communication seem rampant
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/ArenaNet-Reviews-E255820.htm

Patrick Wyatt (another founder) went to En Masse to make Tera

Jeff Strain and a few others founded Undead Labs and created State of Decay which is on steam in early access form

Only Mike O’Brian is still around

NCsoft for all its faults (it has plenty) has always let ArenaNet do its own thing. During development, for the entire duration of GW1… I am not sure.

What I do know is just before GW2 was released a few of the key players from ArenaNet left the company. I did not worry to much at the time.. but I have a feeling they were really the hear and soul. These were the ex Blizzard guys btw that founded Anet, or at least a few of them were. I think that is the main problem here.

Gotta jump in on this one Greens.

I am not a commander, dont wanna be. But the REASON people get mad at multiple tags in WvW is because it causes confusion. The randoms go to the guy that is just trying to lead a small force but wants to tag up for some reason. The guy that WANTS to run the map as commander gives up and tags down and the other guy runs the whole server group into a camp instead of defending Garrison because he is farming WEXP.

If you are gonna tag up… better be ready to be responsible for the WHOLE map and directing the flow of combat.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

I am not sure moving the WvW team off WvW would be the best idea. Pretty sure the fans of WvW think they don’t get enough attention, as it is. Best to leave them there, especially with all the new WvW tournaments and such coming up.

TAKE THEM! Please… travel back in time a month and TAKE THEM IMMEDIATELY!

Lord Kuru.3685:

Cynz.9437:

funny enough they do have anet employe running with sbi in wvw on regular basis

Really??! Can you see Anet dev tags on opposing servers? I’d REALLY like to show him/her my appreciation for the direction Anet is taking WvW — over and over and over again.

Dont worry you wont. They believe in sitting on an arrow cart behind a T3 keep as the ultimate show of skill.

Jiiub.7135:

I havent found the buff to be insane, but i tend to be on the winning side in open-field fights, I do NOT like it tho, as it gives a unfair advantage to one side no matter which side it is you can just blame the buff as the reason you lost, no more skill vs skill in its fullest.

I like the middle area tho, it gives the small groups and solo’s something to do.

I have a good PC so cant say too much about the lag, even tho i have also had the server lag quite abit.

Lose the buff, it sucks and has no point but to weaken the loser… which tend to be anyone facing IRON…

See this is the top players mentality I can respect.

They are good… and proud. But they are proud of what THEY do.. not that they get an arbitrary buff and outnumber the people on lower servers.

This is horrible for the majority of servers plain and simple.

I would not try to seriously level on AR in WvW. best bet is to look at Eb for a karma train and join up. But WvW is dead except for trains in EB on most of the lower servers now.

If your not attached to the server. Transfer to one of the top 6 servers to level for wvw.

And BONUS you will be on the willing side and claim massive skill against everyone else!

Sovereign.1093:

when i was at vabbi, deso, cd, seaferer, and now tc; my goal has always been to treat each server i was in as the winning server. never changed one bit for me.

And when they didnt win… you left. Gotcha!

TheAmpca.1753:

FA recently recruited 2 big guilds, RISE and Meow. FA is not T1.
They also said silver league place 2 would be better than say gold league place 5 so I don’t see why you should complain.

Oh your right… sorry. FA gets transfers… and what rank are they?? Rank 5… so your right… being rank 14 I shouldnt complain that a rank 5 is getting transfers and a rank 14 is losing guilds and numbers TOO the Rank five. My bad…

Tier 1 and Tier 2 servers are so oblivious to what everyone else is dealing with it is simply amazing.