Guild Wars 2

Stats matter. Simple as that.

Once armor is out… its gonna be like taking on someone in exotic with greens.

And next year will be the Transcended Trinkets. then weapons, then armor. Then a revamp of all the old level 75-80 zones to get them off completely stupid farm status and the dungeons too…

If the game is still strong by the end of next year… I promise you they will revamp dungeons so you cannot do them without ascended without a LOT of frustration.

Thats the way of the carrot. They gave up on the rest of us just a couple months into the game. They only want the carrot chasers now…

The issue of always fighting the same servers week after week was really only the bottom 3-4 and the top 3-4.

So at MOST it was 8 of 24 servers with that problem. The other 16 servers could get different matches.

If you were on a stacked server that was fighting for number 1 spot with only other stacked servers… that is YOUR fault. So instead of moving (like I and a few other did) to try and balance out the population… you complain and cry… and get catered to.

So enjoy your more random server matchups… until all the other servers are not even playing WvW anymore cause of the population issues… and you can get a full week of doing nothing in WvW rather then a full week of playing the same servers.

Sad… so sad but I think you are right Obscure. The date may be extended however if some of the big named MMOs flop… the GW2 is on the verge. One good MMO release for PvE (Everquest Next maybe) will draw all the carrot on a stick people Anet catered to instead of their loyal fanbase… and one good PvP/RvR game (Archeage? Camelot Unchained? Elder Scrolls Online?) is all it needs to suddenly and dramaticly become yet another in a long list of flash in the pans MMOs.

They had a chance… and they ruined it by deciding the quick buck was better then the long stretch. So many things they should have focused on to become the next truly unique MMO that could stand for years, wasted by targeting the wrong group of players.

They wanted WoW…. they got Warhammer.

LadyHorus.8214:

I really don’t know where their current bright idea of a system came from or why.

Because the ones that stacked onto the tier 1 servers are tired of only fighting other stacked servers so they moaned and complained.

We have 24 servers… yet they listened to the ones from only 4-5 servers and ignored the rest of us saying “plz dont do this!”

fellyn.5083:

Ostra.3927:

I dont count farming champs on rotation as a “living” zone.

GW2 is worse then at release. People are not enjoying the content… they are farming the content asap so they can go back to ignoring it again.

People mistake farming for content. It is not content… its a time delay. its a cheap way to provide something for players to do, and it shows a lack of true caring that Anet was once known for.

So you managed to ask every single person who plays the game how they feel about it then?

You keep saying “people” like you did. Which doesn’t make sense because you didn’t ask me or any of my friends who play. Who by the way, don’t have any issues with ascended weapons and think people are largely over reacting and are all having fun doing events and killing dragons and kitten.

So what you really mean is you read some posts on the forum and asked maybe a few people in your guild and maybe a few more in map chat how they felt?

Right?

Notice I didnt say everyone.. or ALL people? I said.. people. plural. Multiple.

Doesnt matter if they are in map chat, guild, forums… that has no baring. There are multiple persons that do not have fun with farming FACT. How is it that I have to explain this to you? Ohh thats right… cause you are trolling.

PvE farmers might have fun granted. But I feel that is a weak attempt at fun and Id rather be doing about ANYTHING else. Maybe thats cause I have played MMOs for nearly 20 years and the idea of farming is a bit… backward thinking. I play mostly WvW in MMOs these days and the farming is just making people dumber , like watching a reality show.

I dont count farming champs on rotation as a “living” zone.

GW2 is worse then at release. People are not enjoying the content… they are farming the content asap so they can go back to ignoring it again.

People mistake farming for content. It is not content… its a time delay. its a cheap way to provide something for players to do, and it shows a lack of true caring that Anet was once known for.

Honestly if they just did free transfer to the lowest ranked server this will be the end result.

Those that WANT to move to play with their guild will jump down. With the increased numbers that server will not be lowest ranked very long. Then the newest bottom becomes free to transfer too.

After a few weeks of that… the population will be at least closer then what it is. The longer this goes on the more balanced it becomes naturally. Stacked servers might still be better because of more dedicated and organized guilds playing in WvW. but at least it wont be a shear numbers game and those servers would now have a CHANCE to organize and field a force.

This also does not take away much from the money that Anet makes on transfers. since those servers that want to pay for high end guilds to move to them still can.

Konrad… thats not a solution… that is sitting back and accepting the pounding Anet is giving us.

I quit for months… I am about to again.

Have 5 lvl 80s that I play in WvW
highest rank is 41 lowest is 13 now.

Have never once gotten an Exotic drop in WvW. not from players, camps, towers, keeps, castles, or rank chests.

I spent 2 hours farming the champs in Orr one the first night of the Champion chests. got 3 exotic.

When I farm.. i average one exotic per 5 hours. I have spent hundreds of hours over my characters in WVW and have not gotten ONE.

The chance is not rare…. its so far beyond rare… and Anet does not give a kitten’s rump!

I think its freaken crazy.

I was in the Scarlet event zone watching netflix and just stayed there… didnt even TOUCH a mob… we LOST the event.. failed it…

and I came away with 2 greens, a rare, 3 dragonitte ore and 6 Bloostone things.

PvE and WvW rewards are so far out of wack at this point there is no more hope I thnk

I am wondering if they are trying to get everyone OUT of WvW and funnel us into the PVE farm fest called the Living Story so they can then say “Look at how many people LOVE our content updates!” and claim success!

I dont have the quote but a long time ago (could have been in beta) when we got an answer about making defending worthwhile.

They basicly said they want things to switch hands because it is more exciting.

Why havent they fixed the zerging issues? Cause they dont want to… they LIKE the zerging. Not sure why though

Thats exactly what it means.

Zerging and flipping is more profitable still… even more so now… then defending.

Defending costs money. Flipping makes much more.

johje, no the reason TC and JQ are top are because they stacked. JQ stacked before the game was released (I was there and got the mention to join on JQ) and TC has stacked afterwards paying for WvW guilds to transfer to them.

These servers stacked to WIN… with NO rewards. Not to have even fights. When I realized this I left JQ and moved to Kaineng when it was the bottom server. If someone is still on JQ theya re not a WvW guild looking for a fair fight (which is why I have such respect for Tempest Wolves. They left JQ akittens highest and moved to a lower pop server as well)

Sorry that is simply not happening anymore. With rewards we on kaineng have already lost 2 of our biggest WvW guilds out there to transfering to the bigger servers. It goes the other direction.

When there is rewards… people flock.

This is not a sky is falling situation.

It is a problem though because fo the population balance issues.

lets look at NA gold league.
This mean if the ratings stay the same Yaks bend and E.Bay will be facing SOR and JQ and BG at some point during there match.

Currently a step of 5 up or down shows significant coverage and numbers disparities. How bad is it gonna be when you can on reset night fill up ONE map like YB and EB can… or when you can fill up ALL maps like the top 3 can?

Do you seriously… seriously think it is fun?

People have been complaining about the random match ups for weeks because of a 6 rank difference causing complete BLOWOUTS. Already with a 6 rank difference you can see one server completely decimate 2 others because of the number of players difference.

How bad is it going to get with a +12 rank difference. THAT is the problem.

The players have only two options… transfer to other servers or quit the game.

Anet can and always could offer up transfers for cheaper to lower ranked servers. Even better make it so the LOWEST rank server… transfer is free AND can move over some or all of a guilds influence. This would be a major encouragement for guilds to spread out and keeps the low end server from always being a wasteland.

Good thing we can guest to higher pop servers. cause I see Teq not being beaten to much on the lower pop servers.

80 man? Yeah the bottom few servers willb e able to organize that what? Once a month??

I really.. REALLY hope Anet is at least on the ball to know that the different leagues should get ALL the same rewards.

If you place first in the 4th tier league you get the same rewards then if you placed first in the 1st tier league.

Please please please dont tell me they are out of touch by THAT much. Devon… give us some reassurance here, or we will take your silence to mean those in the gold tier will be getting more rewards… and stacking will get even worse then it is. Give us on the lower tiers at least SOME hope that yous till care for us.

Its not rocket science. Lets ignore the problems this causes for WvW.

In PvE. Its a tale spun in EVERY mmo to date except maybe Eve.

World is built for x stats on gear.
people make max level and say they are bored.
The introduce gear/items that increase that stat.
People get to max stats again and say they are bored.
They increase the item stats again. This time making it take longer/harder to get.
People reach max stats and are now farming the original content. The world is trivial.
They increase the difficulty of the world.
New player comes in and faces empty starter areas and a weakened character strength compared to the first groups going through the content.

This is the cycle we were hoping Anet would stop with GW2. This is the main problem with treadmill MMOs and was one of the big reasons people preorders in RECORD numbers… to try and get away for the normal treadmill/cycle.

THAT is why we are upset… sorry you wanted another WoW clone… the rest of us wanted ONE… ONE freaken mmo without this cycle and Anet broke it for quick cash.

Thats because you are on one of the top 4 servers Akari. being on kaineng I have seen this random match up swing us from facing (we are number 12 at the time) a rank 4 and a rank 6 at the same time.

Bad luck doesnt matter. The fact is at LEAST when we got even numbers we could stand a chance… now… not so much. They will be flipping towers and keeps much faster then the low pop servers.

You did not know what it was like, or what it will do to WvW except in your little bubble. That is why I KNEW you were on one of the bandwagon servers. Its a different world up there. I have been there I know.

Outlasted mean they had a steady and significant playerbase.

EQ is still there… but it was done for many years ago now.
SW:G does not have a playerbase anymore. Its a dead world with about 2000 players.
City of heroes lasted 3 years before they were also down to a dead zone. I believe they have shut their doors now.

a handful of players do not count. I lively server that still gathers new members does. None of the ones except maybe Runescape you mentiond are GAINING players.

Wrong Akari

WVW players on the bigger servers will be getting them at the same pace.
WvW players on the lesser populated servers will most likely be getting them at a slower pace. And because of the random matchup system it WILL mean sometimes you are facing teams/zergs with MUCH higher stats then your side does.

Probably should have all just bandwagoned though right?

Redscope.

You do realize Minecraft is huge right? its not some fly by little known game.

Thats like saying because GW1 didnt outsell WOW we can ignore it. GW1 outsold and out lasted 90% of the MMO games out there.

milo.6942:

Gele.2048:

i cant play game for cosmetics only i need gear progresion the combat is shallow as it is i cant do dungeon for skins ill go play barby game if i like that :P

you’re right, the combat is very shallow, so i can understand where you’re coming from, but you should try a more conventional mmo if you want gear progression. i doubt the ascended tier will be enough for people like you, and god help us all if they release another.

Thats the problem with people that need the carrot. It is never ending. GW2 lost a majority of the players that did already didnt like the treadmill but people like Gele stayed.

Guess what… Anet made the decision they wanted THOSE players… rather then us. SO they won… and when They all have Ascended.. Transcended will come out and they can all say YES!

All 500 of them.

Anyone… ANYONE who things Ascended will be the end is burying their heads in the sand. They are delaying it yes… just getting weapons… another 4 months for armor. 6 months from their however will be the next one. It will happen.. and it started with Trinkets and people giving into that.

Frankly if you were one of those that said “ascended trickets will not lead to gear treadmill! Stop saying the sky is falling”

you allowed this to happen. Anet has not gotten money from me since the introduction of of ascended and i took a few months break. Now its just a matter of time before GW2 falls flat.

They are desperate to keep people on the treadmill now. The Living Story, AKA Grinding Story, shows it perfectly. There focus is not on making people WANT to be in the game.. its in making people be FORCED to be in the game.

GW1 lasted 7 years. Only GW2 could stop it from being popular. GW2 wont last 3 years. Expect the first server merge within the next 8 months. and that is already 6 months to late for it.

dont know about every server but most likely. Checked my home, and 2 others with overflow and main maps on every one. wasnt working on any of them.

I was a hard core WvW player. Did not do the major living world stories, instead to have fun in WvW.

I was broke… poor and always under geared. I used karma to get up to AT LEAST decent level stats but the idea of having a PvE set and a WvW set was just crazy.

Then the 2 week living worlds started. I have no gone from around 10 gold to 90+ in about a month… ONLY farming like a casual and never getting any major drops (best was a 5 gold exotic)

The money in the market is skyrocketing and if you dont either already HAVE a lot of money… you better be farming or you will find you cannot afford anything anymore.

GW2 taught us to grind for fun with Ascended and the Fractals. Those that grind = rewarded. Those that dont… fall behind.

And now GW2 is simply another MMO in the long line of grind before the next game you move to games and will be a ghost town after EQNext and EDO probably.

As for WvW… once the servers are dead.. THEN they will focus on WvW in order to keep what remains of their playerbase around without the support structure (because most of the LS teams will have been fired by then) to do the LS anymore.

ummm. Elementalist build for group support.

Thats fine Dragon. Dont move… but stop complaining about the queue then.

No. Transfer to a low tier server to balance out the population. Thats exactly what I did. Left JQ for Kaineng and now I dont have more then 5 minute ques even on reset night and that is only for like 30 minutes right at the start.. on ONE map.

I started on JQ but its up to us to balance this population. If you are gonna complain how about doing something YOURSELF about it rather then whining and waiting for other people to do it for you.

The way I see it, all comes down to group composition.

In a group of 5. 2 warriors and 3 guardians = smexy
in a group of 5 1 warrior and 4 guardians = smexy
Ina group of 5 1 guardian and 4 warriors = meh

The more Guardians you have, the better the whole group works. The more warriors you have past maybe 2, the group starts to become less effective then other options. 1 around 10-20% warriors seems to be a perfect match. using the warrior as the lead in a charge or as the commander or ghetto commander is the best use of them.

So in a zerg. Both are wanted and loved. In keep defense I think Warrior is liked better overall because of the banner res. In open field small scale fights, guardian is more wanted.

Ok. being that kaineng has been dealing with the zerg problem for months now ( you know where at least one of the servers we face if not both have double our numbers) I can feel your pain. But numbers are numbers.

Your 20 man zergs are outmatched by our 50 man, our 50 man are outmatched by Ebays 100 man, and Ebays 100 man are outmatched by TCs 3 75 man zergs.

The only place you truly see these Kain zergs is the pug playground EB. If you see them in the Kaineng borderland its to take back stuff… sorry that is OUR borderland… stay the hell out of it if you dont want to face everyone coming to defend.

trying to stir up trouble?

Yeah Kaineng didnt make it… glad of that I am. I got my server back from those loud mouth chest thumpers and we can get back to actually playing again

Like Nyx and Shaku said. many of the smaller but dedicated WvW guilds on Kaineng run support/team builds so 1v1 is not something you find from us in the open field. Go to the Windmill sometime in the borderlands and you will usually find some though.

This is the first matchup in.. at 3 months where we were not completely outnumbered. We have had a lot more of the randoms join up this time (as always when you are winning) but the core groups out there… they know how to play better then the current zergs you are facing. Most of the dedicated guilds for WvW are not even tagging up this week on a regular basis.

Wompage.4586:

Daecollo.9578:

it would be a direct counter to Zerging

Except the “zerg” also has no ICD’s so now all you have is a more powerful zerg…

This was my thought exactly. The OP is making it sound like he alone gets to be mroe powerful.

Simple math my friend.

If currently you can take on 1v2. Removing the GCD does not mean you can now take on 1v6. It still pretty much means a 1v2. Most likely because of increased damage spikes you will lose in a 1v2 situation without GCD and everyone will want to run with zergs MORE for the protection.

bad bad plan.

It is what it is. YB easily outnumbers kaineng and unless we have an organized push from a few guilds we usually do not even have the numbers to push in YB and take mroe then a single tower. Using the same numbers we can push GOM and get a couple towers and a keep.

PPT means the GOM is a much smarter target. I dont like it… lets be honest, but that is how Anet setup the match. If we focus on YB we might slow their point gain yes… but then GOM has the freedom to hit things uncontested while we are throwing everything at YB. This means less PPT for us, and mroe PPT for GOM, while barely scratching YBs PPT.

This means we risk losing 2nd place to GOM. Sorry not a smart bet. Am I happy with 2nd place? Nope… but tis a hell of a lot better then 3rd.

Anything that gets more people
1. Scouting and watching over towers/keeps
2. actually defending

Defending is not truly the issue. Most people WILL defend when the call goes out. But its because everyone left so they are not idle in a tower somewhere for an hour bored to tears that the defense is so small and usually tower is lost.

We have seen the results of “strategic” rewards…. its the same 10-15 people on the server scouting and no-one else. Sorry its a game and people want to have fun… the are willing to give up a little fun as long as they are making some form of progress.

Money we can donate. But some XP or wXP would be fantastic to give to those willing to babysit a tower/keep.

it is all about the gear. Make sure you keep your equipment at the best type (masterwork, Rare) you can and make sure to not let it drop below 5 levels.
Use the runes and sigils once you get rare equipment. This places you in that spot with the current stat scaling actually can make you have better stats then the true level 80s sometimes.

The biggest issue that people make the mistake on when leveling in WvW is they use what drops as armor. Cannot treat it like the PVE world when leveling. Always keep your equipment up and you will not be to bad off.

Just adding… do not compare the Guardian to the Warrior Priest from Warhammer. That class was so overpowered compared to its counterparts. I know you played other healer types so I am not judging you for enjoying that play style. But Never try to use an OP class in another game to show why a class that plays differently in a different game is not up to snuff.

Guardian is not a healer. Even the Altruistic guardian build (which I run) would be the equivalent to an OFF healer in other MMOs. People in GW2 are responcible for their own staying power, even the healer builds are there just just supplement those .

Little tip. If you are running and see two enemies that are running within 600 range of you, but dont attack YOU…. infact they completely leave you alone.

Dont attack them… poor poor necro from DH hehe We let him go once he ran away with his Charr tail between is legs.

Two rangers in SBI trying to take the sentry while we hit the NW tower. That was becoming a fun fight a good 2v2 over the sentry circle. To bad the zerg came in and squashed us…

Overall… I have to say this has been extremely fun. Big ups to both SBI and DH. For the most part very fun guys to fight against and havent seen any evidence of abusing or using hack/exploits from either of you guys unlike a certain group that shops at an online market dealer website

Like others, it needs some tweaks by better folk them I. But a big thank you Ragnar great ideas and a great post in general.

Definitely support

Zikory.6871:

Like your creditable because you say you know 50 people that left a T1 server? You jump into WvW when ever you want while the rest of you server complains about match ups because you don’t have coverage…I’m sure if your server has EU or SEA guilds I bet the love that PvD, dem doors are hardcore…

Also I know 51 people on lower servers that say that T1 is the bestest…See I can say random things to…doesn’t make it true

someone go off you meds? WTH did you just say?

I was on T1. I was roaming and killing things back on JQ in WvW since level 10 my friend. I was there for months, you wanna know what? Sitting in queue for a game is not fun. You can find it fun so you can then beat your chest and say “Look ma I am on a winning server!” but me… yeah I would rather be on a server that losses but I rarely sit in queue. Even mid tier from time to time we hit a queue of 15 minutes. So dont sit there and tell me a server that has 3 times the numbers that mine does… doesnt have a queue. That is blatent fibbing to these returning players…

stacking for the win right? How about we all try and get the servers WvW population to balance out a little more and then we can all have fun….

or does that mean you would have to work for your wins instead of stacking the server numbers in your favor? Ohh nvm I dont have time to argue on the forums… I can go play WvW anytime I want

wait wait wait…because kaineng got more people and rose in rank this is a bad thing?

Or because it was getting bandwagoning?

We are talking about Free server transfers to balance it out. once a server is no longer the bottom say 3 servers in population… the free transfers stop and a new bottom 3 begins.

Not the same thing at all. Unless you are referencing something completely different.

Hmm.. should I believe the 50 people that just left T1 servers for a lower tier server… or some internet guy defending his T1 server???

Let me think about this for awhile….. nevermind. Im gonna jump into WvW whenever I want and be able to PLAY the game.

Enjoy your queue up in T1 of up to 2 hours

Middle tier is where the fun is people. learn it love it

yeah you will be seriously depressed if you are thinking most get rich playing WvW.

They just recently (with the rank up chests primarily) made it so you can actually EARN money in WvW. Used to be tons of us went broke just for playing it.

Deniara Devious.3948:

What is wrong with engineer commanders?
I am one myself and I know couple of other engineer commanders on Desolation.

It is true that engineer requires more key presses than any other profession and that most our weapon sets are viability in zerg fights due retaliation, but engineer can be made quite sturdy and it has lots of single target CC and also some some area CC. And pretty nice amount of healing and condition removal for allies.

Engineer is not made to lead a melee train, but a collection of PuGs.

That is just it. The engi takes skill to play. I have tried my best and its a very complicated class. it takes focus and dedication on swapping and cooldown management. All of this heavy need to be paying attention comes at sacrificing that attention somewhere else. overall tactics… giving orders etc.

The biggest problem is the fact that the engi takes all that skill and focus just to be on par with classes like warrior,necro,and guardian. (not saying these are noob classes now. i play and love 2 of the three hehe).

A same skill level commander on a warrior vs one on a engi? The warrior commander will be able to focus his attention on more things overall then the engi commander. A good commander on a engi or thief is great to see, but it makes things harder imo.

I personaly would rather follow a Warrior and Guardian then anything else. The group support on those is great to be in control of as a commander. they can time the banner resses rather then waiting and hoping the banner res warrior is 1. paying attention and 2. even still alive and not chasing that stupid thief half way across the map. and if guardian you can be sure your push is better because YOU gave everyone stability.

Mesmer would be good to be able to use your own veil skill and mass invis but (and one of my guild commanders is a Mesmer and does very very well) I think a good mesmer as a reliable member of the party is better then actually using it as a commander.

Guardian and Warrior 1st. necro mesmer second. All the other classes are about equal after that. Except maybe Engi… poor poor Engies

I am not accusing anyone of hacking here, let me say that outright. Just really curious about what happened.

We were running a guild group when we got word that the NW tower in KNBL was being attacked. We headed to defend and heard that FA had trebs up hitting the north wall of LV (NW tower there) with about 30 -40.

We come out of the gate and we can see a treb shot. We push in to do a suicide bomb on the trebs which we can see then all of a sudden they are gone. In chat we start talking about “wth did they learn a way to stealth the trebs?”. Out of morbid curiosity we rush in anyway to see if culling had them invis or something. We press the attack and most of us drop and stay dead to see what happens. Nothing… they never show up or show the animation for them breaking at any point.

Again. More then likely it is a graphic issue and they were destroyed before our push on your back line. I am just really curious cause even the defenders of the tower did not know what happened to them… or didnt say anything to our questioning. I swear it stunned us so much I just stood there not even fighting back lol

llkoolaid.8204:

Ostra.3927:

Yeah I am with Draygo. The trolls in EB spouting off against any commander are NOT the community. The Kaineng community is on the United website, and in teamspeak together.

Those trolls tend to show up when Ebay is being faced, then disappear the next week. Dont know if they are just a cancer with their guilds hacking and exploiting so it makes people mad all around, or if they plant people to try and cause decent (doubtful of course) but it is the nature of the beast.

Other then the trolls… no-one wanted WvW to go. they were great folks and did a lot for the server. Personally I think they just go an offer they could not refuse…

lol Is this a joke?
How about you own up to your servers flaws and not blame other servers for your sorry community…

It’s “other than” not “other then”.

It is server’s not servers

:)

yeah they did something this last patch that made things a LOT worse. What is so frustrating is I remember back in beta when the skill lag started. about 2 weeks before they closed the beta suddenly we have skill lag. before that we could have 100 people on the fight in a keep, after you get 40 people together in the open and bam skill lag. They got it better since then but they had the code working at one point then screwed it all up.