Guild Wars 2

The problem with defending is that it’s terribly boring and gets you nothing other than the occasional repair build.

There’s a person manning a treb in SM aimed at Durios. For the entire duration that player will recieve no exp, no karma, no badges and he will bored out of mind. The defenders can setup a 2 man swirling winds chain to stop the treb but will reciee no exp, no karma, no badges and will be bored out of their mind.

This is how WvW is won right now. Whichever side is willing to subject themselves to to boredom the longest will win whether it be trebbing, escorting, scouting, or camping.

There is an easy solution.

Transfer to Tier 1.

I would not recommend WvW until lvl 30.

You will be at a skills disadvantage and wont be doing enough damage to get loot until then. Perfectly viable beyond that point.

I see nothing wrong with the situations that OP gave.

If you want fair and balanced PvP, there is sPvP.

buki.3108:

Rendering cannot be fixed to the amount of models that WvW needs.

This gentlemen is correct. Rendering is an unfixable issue unless you want to run around as stick men.

Mikitten058:

Dash.7108:

Really enjoyed the time I had in WvW this week, mostly because of the lack of trash talk. Thank goodness IoJ and SoR (for the most part) don’t trash talk like the T1 servers do!

This is the first match in a few weeks where our initial wvw match thread hasn’t been closed. (Yet, still a few hours left….lol)

Though I also love this match, I hope we get more like this in the future

Wonder whose responsible for that?

checks the 13 messages in the mailbox

…Oh…Nevermind..

I am perfectly fine with taking mist form away from eles as long as you take clones away from mesmers and stealth away from thieves.

IoJ,

For the second straight day, we have the outmanned buff in our own BL. For the first 4 days of this match we never saw more than 20 of you in our BL, the last two days there has been no less than 100 people at 8 AM EST.

Where were you guys all week? We’re getting our butts handed to us.

See now I feel the same way you do, just about Dungeons.

Will not do them so can not complete monthly achievement. Daily grab bag sounds like an awesome idea.

No qualms with grouping, just hate standing around and doing nothing.

Will not do dungeons because dungeons require group creation time, travel time, and fight explanation time.

It’s the same reason I skip over champion mobs and group dynamic events. Would love to do them but when I can get just as much joy playing alone as with another person why would I ever voluntarily stay in one location and wait?

Any change this game made that would take away downtime sounds good to me.

Majik.8521:

Sounds like some players may have gone to a gold site to pay for their commanders tag?

I’ll be honest, this was the first thought I had when I read this thread.

Keeps have narrowed corridors and walls that are meant to act as funnels like your bridge suggestion. The problem is that the AoE cap has been reduced so severely that it’s no longer detrimental to just stack on top of each other.

I do like your suggestion for rope bridges and stealth assaults it just worries me it would lead to constant exploitation like the orbs did.

You may as well be playing two different classes when you compare Staff Ele to DnD Ele.

Staff Ele can not beat anyone 1v1 but it has amazing utility in ZvZ/siege combat. Meanwhile DnD Ele is formidable versus any class 1v1 but absolutely sucks for tower siege as it has no ranged abilities at all.

Indo.8629:

SoR has always had a solid NA primetime. BG BL has become fully blue everyday since Saturday during NA primetime. We just lose everything at 3am est because there’s no one on to defend.

What we need is Aussies/Asians/Euros.

But all in all, has been some fantastic fights. It’s been tons of fun, BG and IoJ are great opponents, nothing but respect.

Our Euro prime coverage has improved tremendously over the last month. Usually when I log in around 6 AM-7 AM EST the map is 3/4 green and 1/4 red. If were lucky we are still holding garrison. When I log off around Noon EST we’ve reclaimed our entire BL and our section of the EB Map.

Alpaca, Silvannas, and Octo do a great job reclaiming a lot of our lost land during the early AM hours.

Thobek.1730:

well you should of been there during our last match instead of transferring off the SoR server to avoid the fight, then transferring back when it was all over. I don’t know how the other SoR guilds could possible respect you after pulling that move.

You’re right, in hindsight it was not the best decision I have ever made. Probably shouldn’t hold your server responsible for an extreme number disparity during Oceanic prime when I am contributing to the problem.

I want to apologize to you for my stupidity, best of luck to you gentlemen in Tier 1. Our first match was truly epic!

Sounds like a good solution to me.

Have to give praise to BG and IoJ as well. It’s been a blast playing against very skilled players that use legit war games tactics. As opposed to a certain unnamed server that rushes 20 golems and 50 players against a 5 man defended keep.

Honestly I wish we could keep you in Tier 2. You are, by far, the best server we have played against. I never thought at any point we would lose a matchup where the numbers were fair but you guys are just simply better then we are right now.

Hats off to you!

Prime is 6 PM til 11 PM local time.

Oceanic prime is 11 PM till 4 AM pst. European prime is 10 AM till 3 PM pst.

Cover Girl.2580:

With the exception of 2-3 SOS guys earlier on…I’ve not seen ANY chest thumping from these guys. If we lose to them, it’s a honorable loss and we shake hands and line up to fight again. BG guys still complaining on this thread, please focus on your tier. You had 3 weeks in T-1 to fight and win and you are now in T-2. There is NO excuse, no reason, and no imaginary alliance to get you out of T-1…you just weren’t ready. Let it go, enjoy the fights there and move on please.

BG is outplaying us in Tier 2 with superior tactics and better players. Much respect to them…..

I can’t say the same for Sea of Sorrows.

Those are all bugs, they don’t belong in WvW forum, they belong in the Bug Forum.

They have addressed a lot of the complaints already. People just don’t like the answer they give so they continue to complain about it.

Nightcapping? Doing nothing
Cross region? Doing nothing
Rendering? They’re working on it
Class balance? It’s an ongoing process
Hacking? Report it, they’ll investigate
Ascended? Adding alternate means in which to obtain

Poor dude probably can’t afford his repair bills anymore.

Guild Wars Fan.3249:

ah…that would explain why we gained all our points during NA primetime and lost so many during Asia prime…oh…hold on….

Whatever makes you feel better about yourselves. I play during Oc/Eu prime, I see the number disparity I’ll trust my own eyes….

I leveled almost exclusively from Wv3. I had 11% map completion when I hit 80 and that was with all Wv3 maps done.

Took 5 weeks, just stick with the pack you’ll be fine. An extra person is never a baf thing.

Guild Wars Fan,

Obviously we don’t run from every fight, the answer was meant to be subjective not literal.

We had many great fights with SoS the first time we met but as our server stopped logging in we had to make changes to compete.

Sanctum of Rall was the 12th server to lock full prior to free trial weekend. We have less players than most T3, T4, and T5 servers. We have to constantly change our tactics to hold in Tier 2. The real commanders here do an excellent job, Im just a wannabe with alot of time.

We adopted this strategy because of having to play against Sea of Sorrows for 3 weeks.

Everytime we attempted to fight them, they would wipe us with vastly superior numbers. So now we just run from fights and recap once you’re gone.

It’s viable if you have someone with plenty of gold.

We do it on SoR pretty much every morning when we retake our BL. We dont have.the overnight crew to defend so we save money on upgrades to use on the siege creep

Thobek.1730:

seriously your logic is mindboggling.

It’s really not that hard to understand, but I suppose I’ll try to explain it to you again.

During NA prime, JQ and SBI have their strongest forces. They are able to hold their own BL as well as fight over EB and your BL. You have a small force during this time albeit strong enough to hold your own BL especially with two servers fighting over the southern section and EB. The end result is you lose a little.

During EU prime, none of the 3 servers have a serious population. The end result is nothing changes.

During Asia prime, you have a large force and JQ/SBI have almost no force. You are able to take the entire map with little to no resistance. The end result is you gain a lot.

This is ultimately the problem with a 3 server system...

If it was 2 servers it would be balanced because you would alternate times of strength. The better server would truly win. But because it’s a 3 server system, JQ and SBI end up fighting each other during times of strength meanwhile your strength goes unopposed.

I’d just assume stay in Tier 2 then ever have to play SoS again.

It’s no coincidence that Blacktide (Russia) and Sea of Sorrows (Oceanic) are the #1 servers in each bracket figuring as they have 90% of the players that play in that particular time zone.

Arcadio.6875:

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

JQ will most likely be the red server next week.

This gentleman is correct. You will be red next week.

xtorma.1283:

Man , folks that can have fun just leveling and doing content are a prize to any community, and that is not sarcasm. Glad for everyone who is having fun and loves the game. All I do is wvw, and I have fun myself.

This is just one of many playstyles though.

This is why we love you on Sanctum of Rall. Even if you do jump on people for transferring off for a week

I don’t mean to sound rude but it’s laziness on your end if you’re not getting loot or gold on every event. If you’re just throwing down heals or buffs and standing there, you could be doing more.

Ryuujin.8236:

Peetee.9406:

This is a video game’s forum, not a college psych class.

Doesn’t make his point any less valid. Ignorance isn’t a substitute

Sorry, I did not understand his point. Could you explain it in dumb-dumb words for stupid people like me?

This is a video game’s forum, not a college psych class.

TheUnNamedHero.4167:

And to think that I was convinced that adding in new tiers of gear would eventually divide the community. Little did I know, Anet was going to divide it long before it got to that point.

This made me laugh. Well done sir!

Well I’ll tell you how the event has been for me so far.

The first day I got up to Noll in the quest chain but he was bugged for the entire phase of that event, so I was unable to complete the quest chain.

Yesterday I ventured into the new zone where I and many others were slaughtered over and over by explorable dungeon difficulty veteran and champion mobs. Even with my full Toughness/Vitality WvW build the ’Champion Kurka’ was still able to down me in 1 shot. Within two hours, the entire zone had cleared out and everyone left.

There’s 2 jumping puzzles........that’s the only good part for me anyway.

Excellent post, agreed on all points

I want to add that I was disappointed in seeing no casual PvE content in this patch. Many of us have no interest in dungeons and were looking forward to the new Lost Shores zone which seems to be just a big open dungeon.

This was the first and most likely biggest free trial weekend, instead of bringing Guild Wars content to the table and selling that to the trials they brought WoW content to the table and buggy WoW content at that.

Elementalist elite skill ’Tornado’ does not render and drops you as a target. You can literally just walk into a 50 man zerg handing out 30k damage instantly and no one will touch you. Here’s the kicker if you Mist Form directly out of it you still will not render basically giving you 10+ seconds of invis/invul time.

It’s definitely culling as Darxio says.

LFM FotM, guardian + 1 other, exotics or better, must have completed frac 1/2 or we will kick you, pst!

MiasmicMist.1420:

Good luck SoS, have fun up there! And ignore this guy, he’s not considered a SoR Commander. In fact, this match up he went to a EU server because and I quote

“don’t want to play same guys again 3 weeks in a row. Went to Boris pass to be their night crew”

So, while he insults your night capping, he attempts to do the same.

If you’re going to misquote me at least try to get the quote right. I know it’s easier to lie and shmear someone’s reputation as opposed to telling the truth but make an effort.

I went to Gunnar’s Hold, a European server because I play during European prime as do you. I am sure you know that.

I have no problems with night capping, I just have zero interest in playing against it. I am not the only one as Desolation (European #1) has disintegrated this week and a quarter of the server has relocated.

I wish you all the best of luck in Tier 1 SoS but you’re not going to get any respect at all from SBI or JQ if you win. You beat on doors during your prime meanwhile SBI and JQ beat on each other during their prime. Very similar to how IoJ and SoR spent this entire week beating on each other.

You have a massive advantage that no other server has, it’s like steriods in baseball. No one respects Barry Bonds for hitting 74 home runs and no one will respect you for winning in Tier 1.

2% is 2%, dont over think it.

The nerf to AoE is far, far more significant then any gear issue ever will be.

Seren.6850:

I think every matchup since tier 4 an opposing team said, wait till next tier SoS is going to learn they are not good enough.

Doors don’t get stronger in Tier 1, you’ll be fine.

Freohr.7905:

In real life you can’t transfer to a bandwagon server and become an instant winner by riding on the coat-tails of better or more dedicated players.

Sure you can, they’re called Miami Heat fans.

The tired old argument of working harder and improving does not imply here, it’s a straw man argument. This is not the real world, this is the escape from the real world.
People play video games for instant gratification, if I wanted to work hard at something to see long term results I’d go to the gym.

Either give incentives for losing/defending or people will not do it. It’s as simple as that.

Just because a guild chooses to move servers doesn’t mean every member has to/wants to. They may have other friends on the server.

Players can cross server message, no reason to remove cross server guilding

Dee Jay.2460:

1. Winning is fun, losing is not – Hence people who lose, stop playing WvW, those who are winning play more.

I think that’s part of the problem. Losing would be okay if there was some sort of ‘thanks for trying’ rewards. But getting steamrolled at a supply camp by a force 5x larger then yours just gets you a big repair bill.

Sanctum of Rall has been full and locked for 9 days now. Outside of a few dedicated Wv3ers the server is a ghost town. I came from Jade Quarry which literally has 4x as many people.

There’s something wrong with the system.

Sea of Sorrows (Green) steamrolls Sanctum of Rall (Blue) during Oceanic prime. Half that world will be blue within 6 hours, IoJ holds its own all day since its a 24 hour server just has too many PvE players to stay in Tier 1.

Nothing wrong with that map......

Given that all but 5 US servers are full and locked. I doubt anyone will be able to transfer to you.

Nothing wrong with zergs. Stop trying to ’better’ the casual players, they’d just quit.

I’d say 1 small strike team to hit camps, 1 medium strike team to hit towers, and the rest in your zerg ball to specifically defend. Given rendering issues, the zerg is far better off chilling at garrison and waiting to defend a tower than pressing and attacking.