I know that a warrior has much better active defences than a Mesmer. My warrior runs a complete zerker/stances build – 2 ignore pain, zerker stance, 2 balanced stance, shield stance, defiant stance for heals. He basically crowd-surfs WvW zergs running full zerker and AA axe for 4k.
I was literally farming the JQ Zerg on their BL not 30 min ago with half their numbers with this build. My Mesmer would drop instantly especially if I ran zerker.
That is so funny. Zerk war in WVW with Axe. Any half decent thief or mesmer would love your bags.
That is horrible idea. I can see a lot of ppl sending pm’s and running around looking for that XXYY player who just kill them. Wonna know who kill you try to invite and ask for duel. Personally i ignore any requests from anyone not on my server. Red is dead.
I don’t think that counts if we already know BG is going to win. This is more of a discussion as to “why” they’ll win.
BG is going to win coz TC wonna have second place and know well first place is far beyond TC reach. No one need another season to know JQ and BG are 2 best WVW servers. Basically BG and TC currently double team JQ and stay away from each other. Same story was in season 1 with little difference. SOR at list had some ambition to win. TC doesn’t. They agree to be second place from the start. Yaklovers hehe. I am not defending JQ here. Server give up this week by some reason. Maybe ppl just tiered coz it is really hard to fight 2 bloobs all the time. Tho i promise SG will fight to the end:)
I actually sign with OP on this. Not coz i think PVP area need some code of conduct but it raise a lot of bad feeling especially among people with little or none experience in JP’s and WVW. Usually you don’t see anyone with bronze and above ranks camping for hours ganking players in OS. It is usually pathetic noobs unable to get kills any other way.
It is too easy to kill in certain areas of OS. Try to get past mesmer or even better group mes+necro+LB ranger.
On other hand to tell the truth there is nothing funnier then to pull 3-5 ppl with focus from the cliff.
Too bad we can’t see a lot of dmg we do and it is impossible to calculate all modifiers. I choose to believe 3 iduelists up on longer boss fights can make mesmer highest DPS in the group. In reality it is rare to have all 3. Usually i have 2 phats up at anytime during the fight.
For any kind of farming take ELE. Mesmer in my opinion is the worst farmer in the game. Guardian with staff probably best large scale events farmer considering high survival then ranger ele necro engy all with huge aoe skills. Last 3 is war. mesmer thief.
Weapons. You need to have all mesmers weapons on you always. Which you choose to use as a regular set is up to you. All zerk in PVE.
The rest of your questions goes to general PVE section
Metallus forgot to mention 10/20/0/25/15 also aloud to trait reflections and or cond removal if necessary. Shorter CD and longer duration on feedback or reflection on focus skills can be priceless in some dungeons.
I newer paid attention before but today while changing build for my mesmer i check Iduelist tooltip. With traited Duelist’s Discipline and illusionist celerity i still have 16 sec CD on it. Is it mistake or it is done to prevent us from 12 sec phats summoning?
I check it out. Looks like it is mistake in description. By some reason CD timer shows 16 but it is actually 12.
Moa is a bad skill. 2 mesmers should be able to kill 1 war easily without moa him. Moa has long CD dodgeable blockable and every one with even little experience will try to break LoS or jump you in moa form. Even with high power phat or shatter in10 sec you can take war solo only to 50% then he turns back and heal to 100%. I honestly have no idea how to deal with wars in full PTV with healing signet. Almost all my fights with them end up me running away coz i got tiered. I was fighting one of those guys for 5 min or more. 3200 attack 50 crit chance +60 crit dmg 700 cond dmg. Had sometimes Iduelist and izerker up at same time and newer got him even to 50%.
Had to pop Mass invis at the end and leave him a clone for entertainment.
Medohgeuh no one telling you Shatter is a bad build. We here swap ideas about what works and what not in different situations. Build can be changed for 3 s and 3 min for putting correct traits in place. I always change my armor weapons and builds according to what am intend to do. WVW build or dueling build or zerg build or dungeon build all require different skills and traits as well as weapons and armor.
Shatter works fine in PvE… Mind Wrack is our only reliable method of AoE, after all.
You don’t need to run shatter build to AOE with mind wrack. Shatter build do not prevent from using Phats. I newer did math on it but think traited phats offer higher DPS comparing to traited Shatter burst.
Izerker+ mirror images+ shatter. Use GS and Staff. Fire or Torment sigils for AOE. We also can veil, feedback, clear cond, give stability, portal bomb.
If you are looking for a lot of bags in zerg fights or large scale event farming in PVE mesmer really bad with it.
Phats>clones. If you have 2 phats up and use mirror images only 1 clone pops up i think.
Same with deceptive evasion. If you have 2 phats up and pop up 3rd it destroys clone not phat.
I agree with pyro, spent so much time debating if hs was worth it. Damage scaling is funky. But i gotta add if you trait it, its one more dmg source for you.
@pyro
Was hs funky way before they boosted the dmg.?
I think real question here is HS worth to take instead of Empowered illusions. After few days of using it my answer is no. HS comparing to EI is huge DPS loss. You can land some HS on mobs at 5k but in WVW successful HS usually hits between 1-2k and it is not procs every time.
You both say interrupt builds. Can you give me numbers on halting strike? I was experimenting with it yesterday in WVW. Fully zerked GS5 and pistol 5 newer hit anything over 3k. Halting strike on guardian was under 1 k. I wonna see what mantra gives and F3 but so far as i can tell empowered illusions tops halting strike any time.
I am not sure why a lot of players even among nesmers are vocal against PU. Wars in full PTV with healing signet and running ability, fully cond perma stealth thieves, chain fear necros, fully cond engys, eles with conjured weapons, Judge intervention guards with blowing up focus, smite and hammer. Every class every smart player in the game runs best possible build. PU is mesmer best WVW build today. You can run it as a power build which is more fun but cond gives more survival and higher chance to win. A lot of ppl say it doesn’t involve any skill to play. Not true. It does. It just easier and faster to learn and it is better working today comparing to shatter or phat builds both of which require higher skill cap and experience.
Fights in WVW are dynamic and illusions in a lot of cases left behind and do nothing good. That is why my 2 favored are Iduelist and Iswordsmen. They are actively pursuing target.
Mesmer limited to 3 illusions and phats>clones. Ie if you have 3 phats up you are unable to produce clones only phats and any moron can see difference between you and phantom. It left you open for attacks. All i am saying is just IMHO and other ppl might have different experience and opinion on the subject. I recommend to try it and see it for yourself. What do you have to loose. 2 s for repair in worst case:)
The Disenchanter attacks even faster than the swordsman, and has range like the duelist. Your point of them actively pursuing the target not only doesn’t make sense, it’s completely wrong.
Also, if you get 3 phantasms up, one will pop to produce a clone. Additionally, having only phantasms up doesn’t leave you open for attacks. If you’re trying to hide by looking or acting like clones, you’re playing poorly. A good opponent will never be fooled like that, and so you’re simply wasting your time and hurting your potential by trying to do that.
Do you personally use disenchanter in Wvw or just saying it for the sake of argument?
I newer seen anyone does it and my experience with it was not good.
Fights in WVW are dynamic and illusions in a lot of cases left behind and do nothing good. That is why my 2 favored are Iduelist and Iswordsmen. They are actively pursuing target and hard to dodge.
Mesmer limited to 3 illusions and phats>clones. Ie if you have 3 phats up you are unable to produce clones without destroying phats first and any moron can see difference between you and phantom. It left you open for attacks. All i am saying is just IMHO and other ppl might have different experience and opinion on the subject. I recommend to try it and see for yourself. What do you have to loose. 2 s for repair in worst case:)
Carighan is 100% correct. I walk away from them. It is troll build with very little stopping power and almost none existing direct dmg. I can kill them sometimes but it takes a lot of time and very tiresome. This build involves very low skill cap and easy to play.
BTW i put eles on par with necros and rangers as 3 easiest classes to kill 1 v 1. Usually i win 8 out of 10 in WvW. Tho to be honest i met few very good eles who kick my kitten more then few times.
It shouldn’t make you wet anywhere and it is horrible skill in WvW. Long animation, it doesn’t move fast enough, has very bad synergy with other clone phantasm summoning skills and shatter skills. Use Mender’s purity for yourself or in case you don’t wonna invest 10 points in inspiration and your goal is to remove cond from the thief as well use mantra of resolve. Disenchanter is very good skill for CoE runs and some other high cond boon producing dungeon bosses.
Runs with thieves especially high crit glass build can be a lot of fun. I usually go with cheesiest PU Scepter/torch staff full dire armor + trinkets and act as an unkillable clone making machine. While ppl trying to kill me and it is not an easy task considering 25k HP +3k armor thieves kill them hiding behind my clones.
Sword for leveling is very squishy. And not everybody likes to be a Melee. I am very pleased with the leveling build, though there are 2 different ones of them.
Ele may be an AoE class, nevertheless their single target damage is superior to ours in many ways. We have to do it another way… and it works, but not in lower levels.
BTW. Zerk ele with fire sword has highest DPS in the game:)
Ele is AOE class. Mess has huge problem with AoE it is single target oriented. BEst weapons for lvling GS and Sword/Focus. Focus lets you run faster Iwarden hits multiple mobs and reflects projectiles. Unless you intend to use mesmer only for WvW cond build learn how to use sword as a main weapon.
No. It depends on your power crit chance and target toughness and maybe something else. I just hit a guard in WVW with it for barely 1k with MB and 2200 power. Have no idea what his tough was. Ill research it farther. I am curios myself.
Yeah, but that’s only if you’re playing a meta build and even then, your mobility will be severely lacking compared to most other classes except for necromancer.
Travelers rune or rune of speed. Check Osicat vids and builds. What do you call meta? We have PU we have Phat we have Shatt we can be power we can be cond and every build if played right in 1v1 can be awesome.
Blink and decoy your way out of the encounter and hope that there’s other friendly players nearby.
I love Mesmer, but 1 versus anything in WvW is pretty sucky for this class, thief being the worst encounter of all.
Bro we are second best class for 1v1. Thieves are #1. I would put mesmers at #3 and engy at #1 but good engy is very rare. In my experience 1 of 10 engys you see in WVW can play his profession well.
Not sure if block with sword 4 and scepter 2 considered as interrupt.
Uh…why on earth would they be?
I used that trait few times with GS and pistol but have no idea about blocking. Logically active weapon blocks should be considered as interrupts but probably you unlike me did check it out. Guess it was wishful thinking on my part.
Not all classes are boring before 60 or 80. War is fun and fast and easy mode. Guard was a lot of fun to lvl up. Mesmer without proper gear and runes of speed or traveler is the slowest class in the game. Another mesmer problem with lvling it is not multiple target oriented class. Guard can pull bind and kill 5-6 mobs of same lvl mes can’t. As a result lvlg mes takes longer and becomes annoying sometimes. I crafted at list 50 lvls for mine but did it long time ago when it was really cheap. Buy tomes of Knowelege in PVP or with LA thingys and lvl up for free:) fast
I have 4 lvl 80 fully geared. Guard with legendary shield but play only mesmer for last 4-5 month.
I actually recommend you guys to check how often you interrupt on a day when it is in Dailys. It is 15 interrupts. Unless i am in WVW or dung run and can hit bunch of mobs with GS5 it takes me a lot of time to get. 5k once in a blue moon or +15% to dmg each illusion does all the time. Not sure if block with sword 4 and scepter 2 considered as interrupt. If yes then it is whole lotta dmg in 1 hit. My riposte hit 4k if interrupt add another 5 then it is on par with Thieves backstab and can be very useful in certain situations.
I always run mantra of resolve. I am a bit lazy and hate to change my build every time. Basically when i run solo i have dire or zerk armor MI MoR Decoy and Mass invis. I sometimes run GS S/P sometimes S/S S/P. Always have Sword traited but change traits on Domination 20 and on Dueling 20 according to weapons i have and things i do. Love to have blink as well but we all can dream:)
I don’t think phats are week in 20/20/30 build. Empowered illusions, Phantasmal fury, traited sword and pistol in full zerk can give a lot dmg to phats. But if i have to bet on that fight my money are on cond Scepter/torch Staff. Cond PU can have 25k hp 3 k armor and 2000k cond with little direct dmg comparing to power phat build with 2300-2400 armor 16k HP and 3600 attack.
Personally i usually avoid cond builds. Even if i can kill them fights are too long and tiresome. Funny part is I don’t even need to run or hide from cond mesmer i can simply walk away and he can’t stop me.
Traited interrupt can do huge dmg. 5-6k is normal. I prefer other traits tho. I don’t interrupt enough to make it better trait for me comparing to empowered illusions. If you good with interruptions then it is perfect trait to have.
If it works for you use it
I have few guys in my guild with similar set up. We are pure WVW guild and do a lot guild zerg runs. For mesmer running close to pin PTV or Dire is must have.. I am mixing Dire armor with zerk trinkets in WVW when run with zergs or groups. Gives me some tankines plus nice mix between power and cond DMG.
Solo i prefer Zerk. Kill or be killed.:). To be honest i am not really good with managing my CD’s and zerk gives me option to kill very fast by burning everything.
When i say good thief with c’n’d this is what i mean, he even makes a few mistakes, unloads on a clone etc. But we are all human it’s rare a fight goes 100% perfectly. Mesmers have 2 iZerkers and an iDuelist up at 1 stage.
I am not saying this guy is not good but video is more about how little ppl understand right way to fight thieves.
Newer try to revive anyone when thief in stealth around, use AOE over downed player or traps or just keep hitting empty space over him. By reviving you usually not gonna save your friend but also let thief breathing time to get into full health. Only mesmer and thief can revive downed player in that situation. They should use mass invis or SR and then revive.
PPL in video don’t take any advantage from NPC or enviroment. Why fight him on the wall and not in the middle of 4 friendly guards on the top.
1 thing i am 100% sure. If mesmer and thief have same skill lvl as players thief wins in 90%. Thieves have an advantage against any other class in the game in 1v1 fights.
All mesmers weapons are good but use is situational and you have to use different armors trinkets builds to use weapons with maximum efficiency. For example i would go staff GS in dire armor on zerg run and collect a lot of bags but if i see mesmer in any stacking Dungeon runs using same set i’d say he is an idiot.
I always have all weapons in my inventory and change it as well as skills accordingly.
When i run with zerg i use mantras veil Massinvis GS and Staff. Solo i can go full zerk with GS Sword/pistol or Scepter/pistol Sword/Sword and use mirror images blink and decoy. No such thing as best weapon set or bad weapon set. All depends on a build and things you do.
What Pyro was trying to explain here with your build and armor set weapons you choose are not being used with maximum efficiency. Staff can be very good weapon for medium to high cond. builds but for someone in Zerk armor it is waste.
Why do you even ask other ppl opinion and then start kittening match when ppl give you their opinion based on a lot of experience.
Dress guard in 50-50 cleric and ptv with soldier runes or 2+2+2. save yourself, smite stand your ground. Staff sword/focus or hammer sword/focus or Scepter/focus and use him like a forth clone buffer. He’ll buff heal and clean cond + mango pies and guard practically unkillable.
What Jambas said. It is funny that you complain. I always run from mesmers with cond builds and laugh at them. All cond builds in any class suffers from same problem. Unless ppl are stupid and aggressive you can’t kill them. WVW is not a duel. Ganking running hitting in the back is part of the game.
I run traveler runes full power build sometimes GS S/P sometimes S/S S/P and still have thieves engys wars eles even guards run away and easily outrun me.
Highest close combat DPS Sword/sword Scepter/pistol it can be done in any combination. Best part is S and P can be both traited with 20 points into Dueling. Highest range GS Scepter/pistol or Sword/pistol. I like staff only for cond builds in WVW or zerg runs. Staff also very good for daily kills on low lvl maps:) IMHO no real use for it in dungeons. When i see mesmer with staff in dungeon group my first instinct is to kick him out.
Not sure what your goal but let me point to obvious mistakes.
sigils not stacking together
Change armor to dire and trinkets to zerk or try somthing else if you go for combine direct dmg+ conditions +survival. Arcane thievery currently not good enough. It is sounds very good in theory but long casting time long cooldown and huge chance to miss make it waste of space. I use mantra of resolve to clean conditions. I did try that weapon combo few times didn’t like it. Scepter is underpowered and unless you PU cond build doesn’t really works well.
Hi,
thanks for the tips, can you please be more specific about the sigils? What would you use? I put energy sigils so that i have one more dodge to spawn clones on weapon swap, accuracy to get better crit chance.
I will try mantra of resolve, when i was playing mesmer i remember mantras not being used much so i dismissed them now.
Thanks
You can find all sigils info in wiki. But ill give you an idea. Depends on what you prefer use bloodlust or corruption on 1 weapon to build stacks. If you can have 2 similar weapons 1 for building stacks another to use after stacks are full 25. Lightning is good fire or torment not bad especially in group or zerg fights. Energy is very good but you have to understand tooltip. It is not giving you 50% from original number. It gives +50% of what you have at the moment when you swap. Ie if you swap weapon and have 20% of your endurance left then you gain only 10%.
Basically sigils very much depends on your build and fighting style. Start checking what is working for you. Some sigils are very cheap like earth geomancy Hydromancy. You can buy them try and exchange easily. I am not crazy about sigils that proc on swap cos usually for them to work you need to be very close to enemy so proc on crit is a better option i think.
I have always all mesmer weapons in inventory. I rarely use staff but have it for zerg runs with sigil of fire. Torment on GS, Bloodlust on sword and another sword with fire. pistol with energy.
When i wonna troll in WVW i go full Dire and have torch with corruption to build cond stacks. Bloodlust not working with corruption or perception. Only 1 type of stacks can be build.
Considering your weapon choice i recomend you to look at 10/20/30/10/0 PU build. http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vgAQRAsf7al0npMtdqxRNcrRiY6RwRhA3pCQHpCqWJF82FC
Something like that. in dueling you can take IX as well if you prefer better pistol to more clones. Menders purity + mantra let you clear 4 cond and have additional skill spot for something else. There is a lot of varieties of PU build and it make sense only in WvW. I am running 20/20/30/0/0. GS amd Sword/pistol in both WVW and PVE. I can have much better PVE build but then i’d have to change my build every time when i go to WVW and have to get used to different fighting styles. Skills tho i change constantly according to what i do.
Not sure what your goal but let me point to obvious mistakes.
sigils not stacking together
Change armor to dire and trinkets to zerk or try somthing else if you go for combine direct dmg+ conditions +survival. Arcane thievery currently not good enough. It is sounds very good in theory but long casting time long cooldown and huge chance to miss make it waste of space. I use mantra of resolve to clean conditions. I did try that weapon combo few times didn’t like it. Scepter is underpowered and unless you PU cond build doesn’t really works well.
Axel i have to disagree with you. Mesmers have an exellent cond management but 90% prefer to use other skills instead of cond removals.
Mendels purity if you use mantra of recovery as a heal removes 2+2 cond instantly or 2 every time with any other healing skill. Mantra of resolve removes another 4 instantly. Null field.
I always run mantra of resolve. Usually it is enough in 1v1 fights with almost every cond build. So far i have an issue only with good cond engis. They can melt me in seconds. Necros not so much and cond thieves are my favored type to fight. Fast glass cannons are much worst.
I was referring to the lack of condition cleanse in weapon skills.
Of course you should take a condition cleanse in your utilities, but that doesn’t suddenly make you a counter to condition Necromancers. It will help you deal with them, but any decent Necromancer will let the fight drag on till you can’t take it any more.
Depends on which cleanse you take. pDisenchanter is a defacto hard counter to condimancers.
It is but i didn’t mention it coz it has real bad synergy with Deceptive Evasion and Mirror Images. It has long animation and easily destroyed not even by opponent but usually by yourself. In PVE tho against high cond bosses in long fights it is very good.
Bro try to fight PU mesmer in dire armor and dire trinkets Scepter/torch Staff. Same 2kcond dmg plus 25k HP and 3k armor. Good luck to you if he has even rudimentary skills. Or try good cond engy. HEHE. When you see cond builds best is to run away. They usually can’t do anything to you unless you insist on fighting them.
Axel i have to disagree with you. Mesmers have an exellent cond management but 90% prefer to use other skills instead of cond removals.
Mendels purity if you use mantra of recovery as a heal removes 2+2 cond instantly or 2 every time with any other healing skill. Mantra of resolve removes another 4 instantly. Null field.
I always run mantra of resolve. Usually it is enough in 1v1 fights with almost every cond build. So far i have an issue only with good cond engis. They can melt me in seconds. Necros not so much and cond thieves are my favored type to fight. Fast glass cannons are much worst.
Dream on.