they were a bit nerfed.
a bit?
Let’s not complain or ANet would nerf it like the thief. And boost the auto-attack afterwards as a fix to the nerf
pls man
It’s funny because mesmer became fotm without any buffs in the past few months. Infact they were a bit nerfed.
What’s happening actually is that condi can’t be countered, especially with class stacking. The moment you cleanse (which is the only counterplay, e.g. condis are unaffected by armor/toughness/blocks/invulns) you get the condi stacks right back up
Or a lot sooner than your typical condi cleanse cooldown.
Meanwhile the skills that apply conditions deal decent damage.
ANet should either nerf those to the ground and accept that they are broken in theory and in practice or add some actual counterplay to condis, be it using environment or skills (e.g. modify skills to cleanse a lot more condis a lot more frequently)
Either way, condis are not fun.
P.S: The least you could do is grey out the part of the healthpool that is going to be lost to conditions.
Chill needs to be looked at, again. You kittened it up when you buffed it the last time. Fix it.
P.P.S: Writing this while fishing in BDO relaxingly.
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At some point you have to pick your poison. I choose to dodge leap and Tides, I have to eat some shatters.
If they stow moa on you, they certainly won’t continuum stow if as that would waste it. But at some point continual stowing the skill it will eventually hit you as stow cd is 3secs and dodge cd is like 10 seconds. But I think about this. If they are stowing it and you don’t see the evade, you got a few more seconds of dps.
Mesmer is mind games, I know. You just have to try and out mind game.
I know it is possible on necromancer at least.Had a match where it seemed like the mesmer saved moa soley for me when i entered reaper shroud.
If you’re a reaper and there’s a mes on the enemy team, beware.
I do this evritiem.
I’m a simple man … I see shrouded necro I click moa <3
That’s what reapers are for right :O getting moa!
Ontopic though, it’s one of the few counters to this stupidly op class these days. Same for clerics ele that does nothing else but sitting onpoint and bunkering it for few minutes. Which reminds me….
DEAR ANET! If someone is invulnerable on capture point, pls make them lose that capture capture point, instead of you know, beating the living kitten out of someone who’s out for it. I mean … when I click distort i lose the point. So i have to think twice when/if im going to use distort. Seems fair no?
P.S: Also, some portal range indicator would be godly, tyvm! I mean … i know your balance and QA teams are like … 1 person? buuut you don’t have to shoehorn nerfs like that. You fixed thief’s steal! It doesn’t trigger without target now BRAVO!!!! Now pls … do the same with portal.
P.P.S: If you could make necro’s skills less unblockable, that would be great. I mean … plague signet is cool and all buuut being unaffected by blindness too? pls …. this is clearly your agenda against thieves but it makes baddies one-upping the thief. Having all marks unblockable is kinda silly too. Why would I even proc blocking ability against necro? It makes no sense. They hit me just as well through blocks. Kinda silly. That’s not how you bring a class from the gutter into meta. This is power creep and its stupid.
^ I’d sell my kidney if you make moa unblockable those revs and scrappers are gon cri so hard xD Also if it could hit through obstructions that’d be godly but rather not because this forum would be onfire. It’s not like I want to make moa like every mark ever hitting through walls and whatnot. Fun times.
Ahh trolling ANet’s balance is just too easy.
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Also I don’t know why people keep bringing helseth up. Yes he’s good. Kinda. He has never won any tournament though. Go and ask him how he carried his team in the last WTS against Abj. Got Carry Bro?
That’s how viable his suggestion is. His then team had members of Rank 55, who actually won the pro league and put Abj to shame.
Got Carry Bro? Mad?
Anxiously awaiting his carry prowess to be in the last place of pro league again.
He’s the Trump of high tier PvP players. He’s loud, boastful, controversial, and just good enough to be in the pro leagues. Because he’s always grabbing all the attention, people tend not to notice other great players as much.
He also loves to blame ANet for problems, which will always make you friends. Remember how he said that mesmers were dead after the last balance patch?
10/10 greatest comparison
DD
I guess it must be really frustrating for you to be a thief, blowing all those cooldowns on the right target and the said target just teleports 5000 range away from you. Long enough for you to be left out and unable to catch with a simple steal (that doesnt even look in the right direction).
I get it
))))) I’m thief main in PvP too, it gets a little bit frustrating but thieves are in a really sad state atm. Nerfing mesmer to the level of warrior won’t change that.
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How do you kill a condi mesmer who puts confusion and tormenting on you, im a rev and have no condi cleanse, i can survive the first wave of condis with glint heal. But after that im kittened, condis 24/7 and cc on that. And dont says time your cc and nuke him down, cause that is impossible, atleast for me.
Condi mesm is the best metabuild for duels, so dont engage a1v1 against him
^ What he said. Been playing Helseth’s variation of the build. This kitten rekts. I can hardly lose a 1on1 but that’s only because the way condis work. Oh you wasted your high cooldown condi cleanse? Well please … have few more /o/
The only thing you can do 1on1 vs condi mes is delay him and thus slow down the enemy rotations. A good mesmer however will avoid 1v1s that take more than 15-20 seconds .. moa included.
On the other hand, with all the aoe and passiveness, its a bit hard playing mesmer in a teamfight HOWEVER! You do the mesmer a great favor if you stick together in a team fight. This way 1 shatter can spread cancer to your whole team. If you have brains however you’d force the mess to focus on a single target, minimizing it’s effect. They’ll die to the AoEs eventually if they are stubborn.
Either way, mesmer’s ranged pressure is bad. It’s slow and it doesn’t stack things well. If they have a vantage point the clones they spawn bug out or pick the longest possible path and they never reach you, or at least never on time, even with superspeed.
So yeah, force them into teamfights, spam your aoes, you’ll get them eventually. See if you can chain CC them after they blink. That’s your win ticket.
Immobilize helps a lot. Sometimes druids get me with a lucky immob while im in stealth and I get bombed with everything on cooldown.
Ah forgot to mention. As with every other build, condition pressure is the way to go. Because it hits through blocks. It’s kinda bad that condi has little to no counter play. But I guess this is what amuses anet. So we have to adapt to it.
Which reminds me that it is actually a good idea to grey out the part of the HP pool that will be decimated by condis unless you cleanse. The least it would do is make people create threads with screenshots of their whole HP bar greyed out thanks to condi pressure
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@Evan … match me again with totally clueless people in the last freaking tier of ruby, or a guy with 500 ping and come here and tell me how your matchmaking works and is fully about prestige.
In a division where everyone learned to carry, carrying 4v5 is not really an option.
Also luck trumps prestige in the current matchmake. It’s all about whether you get braindead teammates or skilled ones based on MMR. And since YOUR mmr so poorly represents skill, you are most likely to get baddies on your team versus people who are given a free pass to farm (people who logically sticked to PvP and have superior MMR).
Now … I play this game since headstart. I know the ins and outs of it. There’s nothing that surprises me pvpwise. Even when I lose I know why i lose precisely without even looking at the breakdown (though its always fun to check the 30-40k chill damage yo). My point here being … I’ve always played this precise account. I’ve tested builds on it. I’ve lost … a lot. And now this season starts and i have the kittenty MMR that I do and im constantly, CONSTANTLY matched with bad people. People who see no issue going 1v3 or 1v4. They are bunkers right /o/ they can hold the enemy for like …. 10 seconds. Yaaaaay \o/
^ That’s my soloQ experience. Meanwhile I try to rotate as hard as possible, buuut nobody uses my portals, unless i’ve shouted that the portal is for a lord rush, then everyone hops in, at least that \o/ But what I really wanted to say is that … I +1 fights, a lot. It’s something I learned from my thief on which i have the most games on. Now … imagine this scenario … there’s 2on2 on far node, I know about it and i know there is a guy bunkering mid, so I go far make sure one of the enemies dies and the other has tons of condis I place a portal entry and I start running toward mid to portal bomb that bunker. Solid strategy yes? Well not really, because the 2 guys i went to help died to the one remaining guy, usually a reaper btw. Guess I had to moa him before leaving. But then again I keeped it for the bunker on mid. F&*# me right? I’m a noob that can’t carry \o/ According to your system at least.
P.P: Was last tier in Ruby, 3 pips shy of diamond, now im T5 and 1 pip. Gee thx matchmaking
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Have you heard of Zeus in Dota? Yeah, that’s the character who’s ulti made a map wide damage. Needless to say with proper voip it killed half the enemy team in a teamfight. You couldn’t run from this skill or block it. Talking about of one trick ponnies
By all means, go checkout LoL and see if they only have autoattack as you assume.
Although you can argue whether moa is too strong or not on its own, that really isn’t the point of this thread. In Dota, Zeus using his ult means there won’t be another ult for quite some time (unless he got a refresher, but that means he farmed it and it also shows why you can’t compare GW2 to Dota). A mesmer whiffing his moa is a mesmer who can use it again right away or wait for the cooldown of his F5 shatter. Big impact skills should have a very long cooldowns, that is pretty basic stuff.
180 seconds is a massive cooldown. (moa)
90 seconds is a massive cooldown. (split)
In Gw2 terms this is quite massive cooldown, given most skills are within 30 seconds on cooldown.
And come on … if moa is that spammable and whatnot, why do we see teams of 5 reapers and not teams of 5 condiphantasmashatterwhateversillyname mesmers?
Even on mesmer daily you get 1 mesmer per team at best. Unlike necro daily which fills the stupid matchmaking to the brimm with necros.
P.S: Zeus’s ulti is on 90 second cooldown. Much like continuum split.
And if someone does double moa you, you should be happy. This means this mesmer will never use moa until the end of the game. That’s how much of a cooldown 180 seconds is.
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As long as there’s moa (among other things), GW2 pro leagues will never be taken seriously. Free kills don’t belong in competitive esports. Everybody I know who came from a different game laugh at the fact that there’s such thing as moa in PvP. The game as a whole would be healthier and less of a joke if moa is removed, and mesmer be given a few more useful, game-changing skills to compensate. Skills that have proper counters and don’t render you useless for such a long time.
I know what you wrote may sounds logical to you, but trust me, it isn’t. Gw2’s esport future is shaky by a whole variety of things, none of them being the moa.
EDIT: Moa can be countered. You can also predict when the mesmer is going to drop the moa or if he is going to. It has this massive signet icon below the healthbar on top. Anyway.
Have you heard of Zeus in Dota? Yeah, that’s the character who’s ulti made a map wide damage. Needless to say with proper voip it killed half the enemy team in a teamfight. You couldn’t run from this skill or block it. Talking about of one trick ponnies
By all means, go checkout LoL and see if they only have autoattack as you assume.
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Basically the Moa make you 100% useless and vulnerable for 10 (TEN) seconds. Don’t need to be too smart to see how extremely overpowered it is. A rank 1 can kill the best player in the world with this elite.
Not really. The best player in the world would kite away.
Chances are a good player would shred a baddie before they get the chance to cast a moa.
It looks easier than it really is, between obstructions, invulnerabilities, blocks and blinds chances are you’ll fail to moa, many times.
I fail to cast it everyday. Some primo legends see me and manage to dodge it too. I’m like “OH! SNAP!” but yeah, juke that cast, wait 3 seconds, cast again xD The problem is sometimes i blew up my continuum shift in all this. A longer cast time would actually help to land moa to be honest. Your opponents will be wasting precious dodges and i get to juke the ability at the very end and recasting 3 seconds later. Forcing you to dodge like a monkey again and potentially blowing sustain cooldowns. A longer cast time would allow me to cast moa from further away given i can calculate how much time i need to get in moa range and you are fighting on a capture point. Moa is never an OSHI*CR*P button.
However, obstructions are terrible, especially on henge @ foefire. You never know when you’ll get obstructed.
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Ye exactly what I said. People consider revenant fine and they state that dragonhunter should get nerfed before.
That’s probably the reason every team did play duable rev instead of having at least one dragonhunter.
However, there is no reason to discuss with people who never played in a team or tried to do. Your whole experience seems to be based on low division soloq which is completly dominated by evil dragonhunters.
You guys are delusional.
The double rev team lost the Pro League finals though. Later on Phantaram said in his stream that he would be better off going as a mesmer and would’ve resulted in blowout against rank 55
Cool story though.
The teams of Necro’s and DH suggests that the the current PVP is in total disarray and if it is not addressed soon by ANET, then many people will leave the game, as it has become not enjoyable to play anymore. This has also created a very toxic gaming environment, which is understandable considering the absurdity of the OP classes.
That moment when you realize that reapers have no “Hardcounters” section on any of their builds @ metabattle
Just goes to show how broken condition mechanics are in this game.