Guild Wars 2

dominik.9721:

I’d say the build diversity is even pretty good in comparison to other classes.Considering you can play power revenant with invocation, power revenant with retribution or even condition revenant with mallyx, you have 3 viable options which is more than most other classes have.

Eh…what joke is this? The other trait lines are far from viable … The revs that go down that route are fodder unless they are spectacular players …. and this probably goes for every class. Yeah I can make S/D thief, does that make it viable or worth mentioning? And if it does, does that mean that thief is fine … i mean … it has 2 builds amirite? Are we going to count the D/D condi spammer too ? It’s totally an espurts build!! 3 builds omg thief is so much esport i don’t know what those losers in the pro league are doing not picking up thief <o> /sarcasm…

UmbraNoctis.1907:

Power revs are better at dealing with focus than necros because they can negate the dmg better. Engis and eles usually don’t play condi, but power/bunker. Thanks for disproving your own argument against condis.

Negate damage, how? Through the shield block, which puts you stationary and open for unblockable attacks like every necro staff mark? Because of unrelenting assault? Through dodges? You mean the ones that every class has? :O cool story bro

UmbraNoctis.1907:

Galandil.9641:

the application of condis is continous and easy to achieve.

Just like the application of power dmg.

With the tiny little con of not having vitality + toughness and if the enemy decides to sneeze at you, you lose half a hp bar, if not more.

UmbraNoctis.1907:

Galandil.9641:

And do we have a boon like Retaliation that works against condis? No, we don’t.

Retaliation is not an “anti power” boon, it is an “anti hit” boon, and condi builds have to hit their opponent too and will recive retaliation dmg. And don’t forget about resistance (which – unlike protection – negates 100% of the condition dmg)

Yes it is. Who’s going to take more damage from retal? A necro that spams #1 through #5 +/- plague signet or a revenant that spams #1 through #5? Without forgetting the fact that revenant stacks power and as such the damage from abilities is higher than regular power damage from condition builds (logic!)

UmbraNoctis.1907:

Defensive abilities work as well against condibuilds as against power builds (with few exceptions like EP/SoS). And then we have condi clease …

Again, negating strong power attacks with the exclusion of few insta casts like precision strikes is easily avoidable while necros hit you through blocks. I don’t know how you don’t see this as an issue, at all. Necros/mesmers are completely free to hit through walls and obstructions due to their high range symbols. Same can be said for DH traps but IMO condis are greater offender.

UmbraNoctis.1907:

Galandil.9641:

Why do you think that necros/condimesmers are a thing in this S2? Because the animations are cool?

That’s 2 out of 9 classes. Where are all those condi thieves, guards, engis, rangers, eles, revs, and warriors. Animations not cool enough?

This argument is terribad. It mostly leans on the “shifting meta” ANet wants to have. As such other classes have poor condition output while condi mes and reaper can apply and reapply condis un a blink of an eye. The issues gets worse when you class stack. It’s even worse when you take into account that all this condition damage comes mainly through STRONG aoe attacks.

Most strong power attacks come through very well telegraphed skills that are single targetted or have a bad cone. And are also limited in range, usually ending with 400 range around the caster.

tl;dr – Going condi on mes/necro currently involves 0 risk. You basically have power/condi.dmg/vitality/toughness and all you have to do is just keep on spamming those abilities in teamfights. It’s not like you did some trade-off between dps and survivability. You literally have it all. And there is no stat other than vitality to defend you from conditions. Yeah yeah bla bla i have condi cleanses blah blah … screw this, you have blocks …..

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Oh please, crybabies. Condi damage is so freaking cheesy ….. you can go full tank and still have condi damage. A viable power build would need power AND precision and in most cases even ferocity which makes you instant glass cannon, as in … you get focused for a second and you die.

Meanwhile, to be viable condi DPSer all the stats you need to stack are, wait for it —-————- condi damage. That’s all there is to this braindead gameplay. It has no risk in it. Just reward.

Talk about spamming all you want, but spamming autoattack on a thief/DH and spamming AA on necro are 2 different things.

Oh what was that? Retaliation doesn’t hit back when you attack through condis? Ahh … cool. Meanwhile glass thieves kill themselves on targets with retalionation up.

I can totally see how condition damage is balanced. amirite?

Power needs Precision and ferocity.
Conditions need duration and expertise.

Power/precision/crit damage values are increased with might and fury and ferocity.

Condition values are increased with might to reach a hard ceiling of damage and stacks. Their values don’t increase with precision or fury or ferocity.

All you have successfully proven is that conditions are still weak and need to be buffed so their values also increase with fury or any other value metric.

No one got a critical hit condition damage for 7k. No condition user ever hit for 3.5k on a critical auto attack.

No one ever had their physical damage over written by someone else’s weak physical damage.

Thanks for highlighting conditions need a buff.

Well done. Good argument.

What’s this nonsense you are posting? Check the meta builds. None of their amulets stack duration and expertise. They put mercenary which is condi damage, power (to do good damage with the skills not only through the condis) and VITALITY AND TOUGHNESS

Get it?

And I see you are complaining about 7k power crits. Well, I’ll raise you with 22k chill damage after prolonged fight against a reaper. 22k … chill, there were others too. Don’t ask me how i healed through all this. If my thief could dish out 22k damage the forum would be on fire by complaining. Oh but wait, it was on fire, almost one year ago. And now the thief is pretty much useless and outclasses by you-name-it. It requires too much effort from the thief and from the thief’s teammates to make it work. There are far better braindead options out there. And most of them just so happen to spread conditions in order to win

Oh the warrior is broken AF? Just go condi … condi seems to work for everyone these days. All you need is good team support and let those condis run wild. <3

Oh please, crybabies. Condi damage is so freaking cheesy ….. you can go full tank and still have condi damage. A viable power build would need power AND precision and in most cases even ferocity which makes you instant glass cannon, as in … you get focused for a second and you die.

Meanwhile, to be viable condi DPSer all the stats you need to stack are, wait for it —-————- condi damage. That’s all there is to this braindead gameplay. It has no risk in it. Just reward.

Talk about spamming all you want, but spamming autoattack on a thief/DH and spamming AA on necro are 2 different things.

Oh what was that? Retaliation doesn’t hit back when you attack through condis? Ahh … cool. Meanwhile glass thieves kill themselves on targets with retalionation up.

I can totally see how condition damage is balanced. amirite?

dominik.9721:

pls stop comparing precision strike with true shot. neither the dh has the same survivability and mobility nor he is able to deal an additional 6k hit by swaping legends and weapons instantly.
Not to mention that the animation of true shot is much more obvious than the animation of precision strike.

Oh look, you bring the weapon swap and passive procs mechanics again…

Lucentfir.7430:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Sooo let me get this straight.

You guys mind been hit for 8-9k by precision strike

But you are perfectly fine getting shot for 10k+ by true shot on similar cooldown by DH?

Makes kittening sense yo.

Also before complaining about revenant, try playing one. See how many kills you make and how many times you die. You are bad on it and you are bad against it.

Just facts of life.

P.S: Necromancers are a lot more powerful than revenants.

I play Rev but main guard.

TS needs a target and it roots you with clear animation, and hitting for 8k-10k true shots requires a Berserkers Amulet leaving you with 11k Health to deal with pressure.

Precision Strike can hit . for upwards 6-8k assuming all projectiles crit and it’s with a gd marauders amulet against said squishy classes. Always normally combo’d as Enchanted Daggers->Phase Traversal-> Surging Mists/Precision Strike/Unrelenting assault->Legend Swap Hydromancy/Equilibrium proc mid UA. There’s also the really funny thing about it is I can be running away from someone and use it and have all three projectiles fire behind me without stopping. Also can be used against stealth.

As it stands now Precision strike needs a shave, a medium shave but at least make it so all three projectiles are going to the same target with chance of body blocking. Granted Scrapper, Reaper, and The new Chrono build need some work first.

Every channeling ability hits in stealth, its a fact of life and ANet are not going to change that. This ability seems to copy physics from blinding blade that actually is able to trace targets in stealth.

The swap issue you bring up is not only related to revenant. I agree, passive procs are way too over the top, be it through life saving traits that proc super often or sigil/rune procs. Do you remember rune of vamp #6? That was real funny ….

And to avoid the revenants combo you have to block and dodge. Something that any class in the meta is doing anyway. I’m perfectly able to dodge all this on a thief and mesmer and scrapper for example. Granted I have issues finishing revenants on scrapper (because I’m not very good with it to begin with) but they can’t kill me either through all the blocks/reflects/heals I’m able to pull off.

Saiyan.1704:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Saiyan.1704:

Ravenmoon.5318:

P.S: Reaper counters everything.

DH counters Reapers.

I don’t see how a full trap DH can counter reaper. Actually I don’t even see how a meditation trapper can counter reaper. The scepter will corrupt from 900 range safely outside of traps … staff marks pierce through blocks.

Is this a joke?

ToF – Smite condition – CoP – Renewed Focus

You’re more than welcomed to duel me if you like. But I assure you we give Reapers a run for their money. Disregarding thieves and wars, Reapers are second easiest to handle next to Mesmers.

and how exactly are you going to land this ToF if the reaper stands in the distance o.O or sends their flesh golem just to trip ur traps while you have 30-40 secs cooldown and no utility whatsoever. And no I wouldn’t duel you on a reaper because I have less than 5 hours on the class but my teammates play necro and they pull some crazy stuff on those DHs. Going as far as almost one-shotting with shroud #5

Saiyan.1704:

Ravenmoon.5318:

P.S: Reaper counters everything.

DH counters Reapers.

I don’t see how a full trap DH can counter reaper. Actually I don’t even see how a meditation trapper can counter reaper. The scepter will corrupt from 900 range safely outside of traps … staff marks pierce through blocks.

Is this a joke?

R O C.6574:

I’ve seen necros, eles, engis, ranger end up with 0 personal score. I know you for some reason completely dismiss personal score, but if you get 0 points in a match, it’s hard to argue that you’re not trash tier.

You say bad players can contribute on other classes, I say BS.

Your first paragraph is correct.

Your second one is BS. There are different types of bads. Some that are completely clueless. And others with reflexes of a dead cat but still able to spamwich in a teamfight.

Zelda.6325:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Sooo let me get this straight.

You guys mind been hit for 8-9k by precision strike

But you are perfectly fine getting shot for 10k+ by true shot on similar cooldown by DH?

Makes kittening sense yo.

Also before complaining about revenant, try playing one. See how many kills you make and how many times you die. You are bad on it and you are bad against it.

Just facts of life.

P.S: Necromancers are a lot more powerful than revenants.

DH sucks compared to rev though.

Sooo are we agreeing that there are double standards when the community cries like a little baby?

Whaaa, whaa i can’t keel reve 1v1 T_T

Make one then, and become my fodder <3

I much prefer fighting teams of multiple revs than teams with multiple reapers …

Did you see what I did there?

Yes, my favorite class (the thief) has been intentionally nerfed to make revenant look more appealing. But if they didn’t do that, who in their right mind would pick revenant over thief? Thief is still versatile, if they boost the sustain of the thief and add some passive condi management the revenant will be history, even though precision strike is critting for 10k.

High burst thief with basilisk venom for extra CC. S/D thief can do it due to boon steal but it’s tricky since this build is nerfed into the gutter since last year. (in comparison to D/P). I have no remarks about vault spamming thief because I don’t play that build, it’s too casul for me :v And make sure you put the chill you steal from the ele at them. Raising the cooldown for 2-3 key abilities is all you need to win.
Condi mesmer … i know, i know, they convert your condis into boons, however, they can’t convert the MIGHTY MOA xD

DISCLAIMER: Those 2 professions are the ones I’m good one at. There are possibly more counters to auramancer I just don’t play them.

P.S: Reaper counters everything.

Ayrilana.1396:

Astral Authority is The Abjured.

Thank you. I would’ve figured that out if the team names were clickable and had the roster but sadly it isn’t.

Perhaps ANet could provide some API so that the community would yet again fix this? xD

I was watching the strim last night until Argi ate it :v Kinda sad i can’t have it as a VoD now. Guess Anet prays on exclusivity to get the views … This didn’t work for living world 1, why would it work in pro league <o>

And to an event with 200k prize money I was hoping for a little bit more professionalism both offline and online. I know it probs isn’t much in background of 50kk earnings in the last quarter but … idk it just feels cheap and unprofessional.

In comparison “The International” is like the freaking superbowl or champion’s league if we talk europe.

And if you can’t recreate champion’s league at least try to make Europa league. Finding information about pro league is difficult as its outdated on the gw2 website and I have difficulties navigating ESL website. Always have even when I was actively doing tournes 5on5 cs1.6 … its awful. Uploading demos was cancer.

If you wonder what i mean by outdated info check this out
https://competitive.guildwars2.com/en?_ga=1.217265683.405139991.1422137363

Schedule doesn’t exist
and the last news article is from March 18th.

As someone that doesn’t play Gw2 full time like before, I had no clue that the pro league has started and if i had missed something. Last i checked they had a start date, but it didn’t happen. I heard helseth complaining about it. And no ETA on second date. Good thing I have push notifications from Twitch app on my iPad to be notified about the strim. But the thing is, I sometimes forget my ipad at the office and have to really on my lumia 950, which being a microsoft device doesn’t have Twitch app. Fun fun fun

P.S: I don’t actively use Twitter. I tried once, the spam was overwhelming. I avoid this website with a 10ft pole. Same with the rest social networks.

P.P.S: Any particular reason Abjured are not in the pro league? :O

P.P.P.S: Twitch vods are bad. I’m waiting like 5 minutes to buffer :c

Trepidation Lost.3469:

why not complaingin about perma dodge condi thiefes

I took you seriously until this quote. As a thief main, this is the most useless and trolling build. It’s worse than the Vault spamming thieves. Which is kinda the new heartseeker spammers. Problem here is though, ANet actually designed it this way, hoping for people to spam vault

T_T

pepsis.5384:

Ravenmoon.5318:

In a perfect world every class with every build (that has some sort of synergy) should be able to kill any other class with good enough mechanical knowledge. Things like hardcounters should be ridiculed on. That’s what makes a balanced game.

ANet balance team disagrees

I wonder how league of legends does it

Who’s to say a perfect world means that every class with every build kills any other class/build? Thats completely illogical imo. A light rogue should not be able to kill a heavy tank. Ya sure, Anet said no holy trinity which is also bs anyway. You cant walk away from class diversification. You have frontline melee fighters who absolutely must have high hp, armor, damage negations in order to survive and fulfil ltheir role. Whats all that mean? It means in any sort of remotely perfect world we would have unique classes with unique strengths and weaknesses who might be able to counter each other to a degree but mostly a certain class/build would be a hard counter to another class/build, while a different class/build would be incapable to do squat against yet another.. You know A>B, B>C, C>A.. There is no such thing as equality in class balancing. We cant all be superman with super strength, super speed, super farts, super everything

League of Legends and Dota disagree. Some classes might not be great at dps but everyone can kill anyone. And you STILL have roles. Support/heal/bunker. I personally think it’s wrong for any single class to be able to shutdown a capture point unless +1 (or more) occurs, because later on in the teamfight bunch of bunkers spamming broken conditions (because you can’t call abilities that do 22k damage over time anything else but broken) dealing more DPS than power based counterparts.

This game is so broken that even if there was perfect balance, there would still be things to complain about.

I suppose this is why it takes their lolteam to balance/shift the meta up to 6 months, while ignoring the real problems. Like the game being p2w atm unless you buy HoT. No defensive stats against conditions. Braindead boon corruption and over the top passive procs whether through traits or weapon swaps. And these are just some of the glaring issues this game has. From the lesser known issues is the fact that if you sneeze at the foefire lord it dies and grants 150 points…

In a perfect world every class with every build (that has some sort of synergy) should be able to kill any other class with good enough mechanical knowledge. Things like hardcounters should be ridiculed on. That’s what makes a balanced game.

ANet balance team disagrees

I wonder how league of legends does it

Sooo let me get this straight.

You guys mind been hit for 8-9k by precision strike

But you are perfectly fine getting shot for 10k+ by true shot on similar cooldown by DH?

Makes kittening sense yo.

Also before complaining about revenant, try playing one. See how many kills you make and how many times you die. You are bad on it and you are bad against it.

Just facts of life.

P.S: Necromancers are a lot more powerful than revenants.

Darknicrofia.2604:

guardian has been out of the meta for longer than warriors

Meditation Hammer was a thing until HoT.

@TheBravery I agree with you and there are some things I want to say regarding pvp balance team but the last time i did I was banned. So I’ll spare strong language. Having shifting meta is no balance at all. This is lazy work and shouldn’t qualify a salary for 6 months.

BeepBoopBop.5403:

R O C.6574:

^^Not sure if there is anyway to prove this.

Thief is not this easy https://youtu.be/z0JWZ8t08TY

So much esports in this vid!

So i suppose you missed on hambow shoutbow and rampage meta?

Kruzak.3076:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Kruzak.3076:

Hello
I would like to hit Legendary, but I do not own HoT. What are my options in terms of builds?

So far, I found only this one:
http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Necromancer_-_Vanilla_Condi_Necro

It’s the build leet0 and bunch of other people used to “prove” there is no “MMR hell” by making free to play accounts and playing this precise build.

EDIT: I think the before-hot D/P thief with shadow arts is still viable, soemwhat. But it does require good mechanical skill to be successful. Shadow arts really does help to +1 with a sudden backstab spike

The problem is, I do not have Necro nor character slot for him.
At the moment, I can choose from Warrior, Guardian, Elementalist, Engineer and Thief.

Well copy this build http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Daredevil_-_Dagger/Pistol

but instead of Daredevil go for Shadow Arts, with a basilisk venom elite
Withdraw for a heal
Shadow Step
Shadow Refuge (the extended stealth will give oyu regen and heals and passive protection)
and depending on how u feel Signet of agility or signet of infiltration (for yet another shadow step to enemy, you acn teleport to over 2000-2500 range with well placed shadow step/infiltration/steal combination)

As for SA traits I’d go for the following

Shadow’s Embrace – To cancel condis in stealth, but you can go for Last Refuge if there are no necros/mesmers on the enemy team (highly unlikely)

Hidden Thief – To stealth you each time you use Steal which then in turns allows you to spike with a backstab everytime you steal

Shadow’s Rejuvenation – For HP regen while in stealth

P.S: With this build you auto stealth yourself when you begin ressurecting so you can ninja res someone that is left to bleed out. Or you can shadow refuge them to prevent stomp and resurrect “safely”. (the refuge is usually very spiked)

And I repeat, this build is good BUT you need to be very good mechanically to play it well. Never go for 1v1 with it. +1 fights, decap unprotected points, steal mobs in Niflhel and generally avoid places where you are getting focused. compared to other thieves you lack a lot of overpowered traits from the daredevil traitline but you get some “sustain” out of all this.

If things don’t go well and you can 2-3 shot a target, try going apekitten crazy and put on berserker amulet.

P.P.S: You can experiment and go with Improvisation in deadly arts grandmaster traitline and flanking strikes in trickery for some passive quickness procs to help you autoattack a little faster when you land a backstab or a sidestab. Thrill of the crime is very team oriented … not being a DD I don’t think you’ll be surviving much in teamfights.

Kruzak.3076:

Hello
I would like to hit Legendary, but I do not own HoT. What are my options in terms of builds?

So far, I found only this one:
http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Necromancer_-_Vanilla_Condi_Necro

It’s the build leet0 and bunch of other people used to “prove” there is no “MMR hell” by making free to play accounts and playing this precise build.

EDIT: I think the before-hot D/P thief with shadow arts is still viable, soemwhat. But it does require good mechanical skill to be successful. Shadow arts really does help to +1 with a sudden backstab spike

ZackCC.3965:

Many people seem to say that playing with a premade requires too much work and would require a VoIP. It would also face you up against other premades. But isn’t that the point? You need to put in the work to be better.

VoIP doesn’t mean you are a better player. You just sync burst on command and have easier time for map awareness because people would usually say who goes where without you having to worry about the minimap.

You have to also accept the fact that people generally play PvP for fun, not for badges or pixel glory or whathaveyou. And playing for fun dictates that you enjoy the game the way you see fit. I got into last tier of Ruby playing this way. I no longer play because certain other games released recently and I spend all my free time there instead of being fodder for high MMR players

I actually did make a premade to get there 2-3 weeks ago (if not more), no voip though. It was still fun but the premades with voip were just too annoying tryhards. I didn’t sign up for that. I know we can beat them but meh, why bother.

Eh…are you for real? Many premades use VoIP. I don’t have time nor the will to get my microphone and voip through a game. I don’t want to be matched with such people. Thus I solo or duoQ (the latter actually being good enough to match you against full voip team).

The guy was clearly upset but he had a point. If they offer the possibility of soloQ and they say their matchmaking system is good, they better kittening up make sure their system works and doesnt require you to team up in order to progress.

Tell me about it. I’ve lost a game in which the enemy team 5-man attacked the lord, we managed to take them all down, just to see them kill the lord from downstate.

And since our goold ol’ lord is nothing but a stupid mob with high hp pool and easy to break heal, the full amount of *150 points * was granted to the team of losers that lost every and any teamfight but still won.

Yay for progress.

They have balance team that does balance.

If it was up to me they’d get no salaries for the past few months by now. Because I simply don’t see their work, whatsoever.

I’d pay them once every 6 or so months.

Better yet, i’d fire them all lazy balance team and hire freelancers. Anyone else would do better.

inb4 people saying “do you think its easy to balance a game with hundreds of traits and skills” … yes it kittening is. Weekly updates and consumer feedback. Weekly updates and consumer feedback. Repeat ad infinitum. With such a release cycle the game will esport ready within 6-8 months.

I’d love to see a core buff to warrior. I don’t like the idea of the berserker anyway. Warrior was one of my favorite classes but its the class that got the shortest stick in HoT. Berserker is so poorly thought out it feels like an afterthought compared to others. Animations are bad, the mechanics are uncreative, the offhand weapon is a joke.

but how are the casuls going to get wins then :c ANet loves its casuls

shadow refuge, no shadow step, what?! o.O

Are impairing daggers even viable o.O

Even if you kill people with this build i guess it is more likely because nobody experienced playing against such a thief. If it was meta everyone and their dog would know how to counter you.

All you have with this build is the element of surprise. Other than that marauder staff meta teef seems better at first look.

EDIT: Bounding dagger should be better since you probably spam Vault, having extra dps on dodge might not be so bad idea.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

If you live in the EU these kinds of threats fall under their new anti-terror cyber laws. You can report these to your local law enforcement and they will force Anet to reveal their identity and arrest them. These new laws carry a 1-2 year prison sentence.

If you are in the US or elsewhere you are out of luck though.

Never heard of such laws and never heard of anyone sentenced on something they said in a game or a forum.

Every lawyer with half a brain can plead freedom of speech which just so happens to be constitutional right. Unless you live in like China or North Korea. You get my drift.

Dojo.1867:

Well you click your skills and really are playing on a super low skill floor. Yet you make threads claiming you are in MMR hell.

You really really should not be any higher with the way you play right now. First thing you should learn is use proper hotkey control and stop clicking skills via mouse. Post an update once you achieved this and I will give further feedback. Not playing much mesmer though.

Eh .. I can give you a screenshot of my game and you’d see max size minimap and oh god forbid the default bindings of skills.

However I don’t access anything beyond #5 with the key you’ll see on the picture.

It is very bad to make assumptions based on a screenshot. The fact that my heal is not on X doesn’t mean I don’t have sheathing on X for example and #6 is some other alternatively bound key.

Sometimes I eat with one hand and using the #6 is more convenient than key combination

And no I’m not suffering from “omg if i had extra milisecond to do X and survive”. If I die it’s usually because I’m outnumbered or stunlocked or I’ve made a bad call like trying to outrun a thief for example without trying to kite xD but yeah, rare moments,,

Exciton.8942:

Still appreciate a good thief on my team but it is so rare to see a good one these days.

It is definitely the hardest to play profession right now.

It always has been, even when people were complaining about stealth and “thief sustain” lol…and the S/D’s “mad evasions” but nobody seems to be bothered by 3-dodge daredevil and Vault these days

Double standards are such a stupid thing.

BeepBoopBop.5403:

TBF, bringing a thief can be appropriate vs a necro heavy team. Me in a yolo-Q game in Diamond https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJlvYb8fmV0. Most situations though, the enemy team having a DH or good Power Rev will shut a Thief down.

Source: Thief main for 2 years that was forced to side-main 3 other classes when Thief became kitten several months back. June 23 patch brought SO many nerfs at once.

Lulz. The club is growing \o/ Same happened to me.
I was loltrolling with pistol whip at first then they nerfed it. After that I loltrolled with S/D teef, then they nerfed it. I was yoloing with D/P then as the only viable build. Then they nerfed it.

But hey … they buffed our dagger autoattack! How cool is that! I r8 8/8

Come to think of it. I should probably loltroll with vault teef. It’s like the only thing i haven’t tried.

PS: Good gameplay and awareness though.

Fay.2357:

Next time, restrain yourself to be more polite, and send the uncensored screenshots to Anet. They take cyber-harassment VERY seriously, and those people will get banned.

No they don’t. Don’t give false hope to the guy. There was one guy in reddit that made an alt account, spewing racial slurs and whatnot in map chat for days. He didn’t get banned. He posted his findings on reddit. Some dev responded to do damage control but yeah. I don’t know what you are talking about.

Also ANet can’t really make a firm judgement call on this. After all, it’s a competitive game mode. It brings the best and the worst in people. Some people get very emotional. You can’t ban someone for being passionate about your game …

Also there are certain laws in Europe, that prohibit banning over foolish reasons. No the EULA absolutely has no weight in court. Unless you are truly cancerous you can’t have your service blocked by law. EULA is not considered a contractual agreement as much as big time publishers want you to believe that.

Ask any german around these forums and you’ll know.

Law is a funny thing. Might explain why rich people don’t go to jail. Did you know that video recordings have exactly 0 weight in court too? I was shocked to find it out too.

I don’t know. I love to queue with my girlfriend. We don’t do VoIP though, we play decent together. I’m sure there are better duos than us. However, this according to ANet is perfectly fine to match us against full 5-man premade)

So I’ve been playing Dota 2 for few days now. I had no prior experience to Dota 2, just back when it was a mod map for Warcraft 3: TFT. So I had general idea of the game but no proficient knowledge or skill.

I’ve also spent the last couple of years playing nothing but Guild Wars 2.

From recent weeks it really makes me giggle how the chronophantasma condi mesmer rose up from being okay-ish build to “OMG PLS NERF HOW DO U DUEL A MESMER 1v1” kind of thing. And the occasional “NERF PORTAL AND MOA ITS TOO HARD”, meanwhile there were 0 complaints about moa/portal before the mesmer nerf.

Now I know you nerfed power mesmer few weeks ago (is it a month by now?). But you must’ve known the whole time that chronophantasma is a strong build. You didn’t gut the mesmer as many in the forum would have you know.

With that in mind I’d like to bring up Dota 2 again. Now … for a rookie like me, I find it a GODSEND that there is a “popular builds” section in the game UI. I launched my first game, compeltely clueless and there it was … a blinking icon prompting me to check it out. I did check it out and poof … there it was … how to start the game and develop my character in mid and late game.

Now I know sPvP has no “mid” and “late” game. However, a “good builds” in-game would be a godsend to anyone that even wants to try to pvp.

I get it, you want people to mix and match and find what really works for them and consequently – the team. However, I’m getting sick and tired of people testing builds in ranked only to turn into a completely useless team member with team score of 0 . This has to stop. Some trait/amulet/weapon combos are so bad … like reaper with greatsword. It’s terrible. I die a little inside when I see such a necromancer in pvp.

Also it would really help new players to get along in sPvP. Give the people viable builds and let them play their hearts desire.

If you are lazy I guess you could put a link to metabattle.

However! Builds like chronophantasma were so down in the list post patch that someone would’ve thought it’s completely useless. I just play thief and mesmer and I don’t tend to look at other classes outside of checking what each skill does and how to counter/avoid it. I don’t know if other classes have such builds that are mostly considered weak but are actually a pipe bomb in disguise in the right hands.

Plus it could help the development of the game. If you as devs struggle to write up a single build for a class, then this class needs to be looked at seriously.

Ultimately it would be nice to have one power/support build for each profession after each balance patch.

In any case, Dota 2 is a lot more welcoming to new players. I can give examples until the end of times. I had a friend who bought the game for the pvp, after watching me play few times. He made a ranger but yeah he doesnt know the game, he can’t make a viable build. He doesn’t know what viable even is, but he is a good competitive player.

Either way he left the game because he doesn’t want to deal with so many traits and combinations. He thought that Gw2 is simple pick-up game and more of a player skill game. However, generally build trumps skill. Player skill is only viable if 2 players fight with the same or similar builds. We have the so called “hardcounters” and this really confused the guy.

Hell, do you remember SodaPoppin? He needed coaching by ESL players to get the hang of the game. And suddenly decided Gw2 is not his thing.

The game is not streamlined at all, even for competitive players.

Eh if you watch the esl streams for comps, idk what you’ve been doing in the past 2 years o.O

Rotations are overrated. They only get you so far when you actually meet with equally skilled team (I know, I know, it’s like winning the lottery in the current matchmaking).

And Foefire is actually hard to rotate if the enemy team has tough sustain and captures and holds home/mid nodes and doesn’t go the extra length to push at far unless it isn’t guarded. Otherwise they just get on teh hill and control the field. It’s really hard to comeback into it. It requires more than rotation. It requires good teamfighting.

But yeah … having druid/ele bunkering a point is cancer. It takes around 2 minutes to take one of them down, if at all, in a fair fight. Now if you so choose to blob that point … your teammates will be outnumbered somewhere else and will be shot down long before you could decap the said point. Even if you kill one of the bunkers the other one will live for at least 20 seconds more. Good enough time for the other guy to respawn and come back to contest the point long enough for backup to arrive. At that point you’d lose the fight and the point. And it just so happens that it will cost you the game.

Sustain is still pretty much the king of the hill in Gw2’s sPvP.

And we haven’t even spoken about the so called “hardcounters” to specific builds who can COMPLETELY shut you down (thanks balance team!) without breaking a sweat.

Like … the best revenant could do against condi mes is a stalemate….for a minute or so. And don’t you kitten off that mesmer because you’ll eat a moa and instadie. Why would a lone rev break up from a fight to go and defend a node against such when they have no chance whatsoever.

Yeah you’ll probably say that it’s better idea to send the power hammer to deal with the mesmer, but again, the mesmer can stand their ground against engi with ease. It’s not typical hardcounter but they can and most times DO need multiple members to be dealt with.

P.S: No, I’m not kitten by a mesmer, I myself play a mesmer. Just giving a vivid example of hardcounters. Kinda like scrapper vs DH (complete and utter shutdown)

Checked your build. It’s not player > profession. You went condi. Condi is ez and lame.

It’s a good feat nonetheless but there are far better classes at spewing condi than a warrior and they have some more utility. You probably had to go leaps and bounds to deal similar damage to a reaper who would just …. spam autoattack?

Meanwhile … ANet really needs to look at those condis. Big time. Everything is spewing condi left and right and the passiveness of this “action combat” game is kinda getting over the top.

I mean … I switched to mesmer recently. I’m not great but I can perfectly win against a very skilled revenant just doing shatters and kiting and blinking and stealthing, meanwhile spewing condis and converting boons.

I don’t even ….

Gratz on your achievement. I’m sure it was hard for you.

Ranael.6423:

Eventually there will be more diversity when a second elite will be available (in 2-3 years) or if they transform and buff a core line (like the former fifth) to an elite one (which won’t happen).

What you asking is impossible.
If they buff the old traitlines to make old builds viable, people would simply include teh elite traitline AND the buffed traitline.
Every elite specs provides vital utility to every class.

On my D/P thief, I can’t imagine picking up shadow arts instead of daredevil.
I could consider dropping daredevil for acrobatics if it gets overhaul and makes S/D viable again but it’s not going to happen. The build is dead and burried like the pistol whip thief.

Fay.2357:

Ravenmoon.5318:

ResJudicator.7916:

If you’re on druid, a lot of the matchup involves proper kiting (if using LB) or evading shatters (if S/D). Save celestial form (full condi wipe) for after the mesmer uses F1+F2. Make sure you’re managing the pet properly to keep up pressure. A well played druid can hold a point (or at least keep it neut) virtually forever.

The second you go into celestial form is the moment I’ll moa you. Same goes for rampaging warriors and shrouded necromancers

And if you’re that predictable, the only people you’ll be moaing are the noobs that don’t deserve to win. Moa is a flashy and long cast time. Anyone that doesn’t dodge it deserves it.

Will you really see that cast in stealth while I’m interrupting and worst case scenario stow my weapon and force you to dodge, I mean by that time my staff skills would’ve reloaded and I’ll be ready to give you some condi presents

And since condi damage is braindead I can just jump around keep on shattering, forcing you to dodge.

We can all count to 2 right? Right. So. Dodge 2 times and eat that moa.

P.S: Tides of time stun you (you can’t stunbreak while in that kittenty form) and increase my casting speed.

Do I need to teach you more lessons on how to land moa properly? Because it really isn’t that hard given those forms disable your utilities, give you pulsing stacks of stability and nothing much else.

P.P.S: I’ve never had issues doing moa to rangers xD Unless I eat a blind. I’ll admit, I don’t look for blinds since I focus on the enemy while casting moa. That’s the only viable play I guess to a player in my rank.

Which reminds me

ANet … could you pls add some shades to my screen when I’m blinded. Put up that black and white filter or something. Typically when I get 10+ condis from a nearby reaper it’s really hard to distinguish blind from the plethora of other nasty effects.

And since you blink and you die to a necro these days, I can’t really look at my condis to figure out what exactly I have. Something that works on ALL GRAPHIC SETTINGS too pls. I usually disable postprocessing because i don’t need a shaky cam in PvP (and other gimmicky effects).

ResJudicator.7916:

If you’re on druid, a lot of the matchup involves proper kiting (if using LB) or evading shatters (if S/D). Save celestial form (full condi wipe) for after the mesmer uses F1+F2. Make sure you’re managing the pet properly to keep up pressure. A well played druid can hold a point (or at least keep it neut) virtually forever.

The second you go into celestial form is the moment I’ll moa you. Same goes for rampaging warriors and shrouded necromancers

API key should be enough, but what the OP is describing is proven by the community time and time again. Even the so called legends with their alt accounts catering to legendary thinking they carry the games. Infact its teh MM system that puts them in favor.

People that didn’t do much PvP but play since launch ate the bat this time around.

I was able to flash through amber and emerald, i mean the people in there are plain bad i was able to 3v1 them on thief and that speaks volumes.

But then i hit sapphire and my 60% winrate tanked, big time. I was being matched with first timers against people who were legends in last season and or have rank 80. Now I know neither of those is representation of skill BUT what it shows is that the said person has at least basic understanding of how the game works and is highly unlikely to fight 3v1 at mid.

I was forced into playing premaded to claw out of sapphire and reach last tier of ruby, but then I had to get cheesy comps/builds against us which weren’t fun to fight. E.g. druid + ele + 3 reapers. We had our wins but these guys are just so unfun to play against.

You don’t duel a mesmer until they nerf it.

From all the QQ threads recently it seems they’ll straight up delete the class or nerf it like last year’s thief.

I mean its kitten in PvE and it will be kitten in PvP too come this April.

Few months after that ANet will see the error of their ways and will buff auto-attack in attempt to fix it.

Fun times ahead.

Freeelancer.2860:

Great proposal. Yesterday I didn’t even watch the stream most of the time, just had it in background.. in fact it took me several minutes to realize the stream has ended due to the suspicious lack of commentator chatter…

There is however the issue of GW2 engine still being quite outdated as far as recording and replaying of competitive matches goes.

The engine is superbad. It takes them months to change things that other teams with less members pull off in a week.

Oh look, I posted similar thing 17 days ago https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Foefire-lord-needs-some-more-buffs/first

At the time there was another large thread about it with multiple pages where self-proclaimed pros were trying to tell me that i failed to protect the doors, which are even easier than the lord.

I mean it should be a broken design if a single player can break the doors down and takedown teh 150 points lord faster than you can move from far to spawn to prevent it.

fun! fun! fun! fun!

Shylock.4653:

Syric.1936:

My skill as a Mesmer is solid – that’s not the issue/question here.

It seems that OP has low self-reflection.

Syric.1936:

You’ll see I’m often 1st or 2nd place

The OP thinks that Personal-Score proofs his skill.

Ravenmoon.5318:

If he makes scores of 150-200+ he has been doing a lot more than just standing mid and farming kill

That’s the reason you think he is a good player?

That’s questionable. I have seen matches where the best player had lowest score and matches where the worst player had top score. In fact most of the time when a player tries to get high PS he plays very bad (double capping etc.). As a mesmer in a team fight it is quite easy to have high PS. Many of your attacks are bouncing so it is quite easy to tag enemies. So that proofs nothing.

It’s questionable, I agree. However lowest score could be 0 points and lowest score can be 120 points. Sorting by points is bad, but if you’ve accumulated 120 points you’ve done at least one thing right.

Good players always manage to make good scores, even while bunkering. You won’t see an ESL player with less than 50 points is what I’m saying. That doesn’t mean that our fella here with 150 is better than an ESL player who scored just 100. That’s not even an argument here.

Truth is, sometimes i’ve been doing my best and I still made a kittenty score. Upon closer look in that game, I was clearly shutdown and hardcountered on every corner. (happened when I played thief, and I consider myself mechanically good with it)

^ If this happens, i’m not much of a help to the team, am I? Regardless of how many times I decapped far or helped takedown a target just to see it resurrected because I can’t apply pressure afterwards without killing myself.

I saw someone complaining about moa and portal …..

How come nobody complained about those when power shatter was a thing? Is it because you could takedown the mesmer in a sneeze or an accidental weapon swap and now you cant? Yeah i understand the frustration. It’s balance issue, not portal/moa issue. Condi builds are too tanky and their damage output is too gimmicky. Perhaps dodging should cleanse, i really don’t know. Condi is not fun.

Condi builds tend to be sustainable while remaining bunker. Meanwhile, your average power build dies at a sneeze. Even the marauder.

Rym.1469:

Maybe get some good-looking girl to shoutcast?

That’s sexist ^^

Instead of the 5 guys lining to tell the OP how bad he is for thinking PS matters … how about you take a closer look at the numbers? If he makes scores of 150-200+ he has been doing a lot more than just standing mid and farming kills, or being a rallybot for the enemy team.

Petoox.6570:

Aenaos.8160:

Petoox.6570:

Play 1 more game and record it please, I’d love to review it and see how “bad” your teammates are.

Tbh 100% you are just super tilted/bad at the game.

That’s excellent and deep commentary on the op’s points.
I’d like to add a few words to that.
Or maybe just one.
Hodor.

I said that because his post was mostly whining because he doesn’t know how to counter classes and has overall 0 knowledge about thief for example. 95% sure he is just awful at the game or simply super titled.

Thief main here. I see nothing wrong of his description of the thief. It literally can’t combat in teamfights unless your bunkers lower someone’s HP. Revenant does everything that the thief do. Just better.

And if you are a thief and actually do go in a teamfight, then you are bad. Chances are you die within 10 seconds to some accidental weapon swap sigil.

Truth is, I used to be into S/D thief. Got some clip from an year ago or so when it was actually viable. Had tons of fun with it. Then ANet decided it has to go, nerfed it and left D/P the only viable build. It’s not as much fun because its more of a “blow up or be blown up” build.

Meanwhile revenant just has to spam precision strike and defend themselves. Which is not really that hard given all the defensive abilities they get.

You think I’m full of kitten? Well go ahead and try to see why MagicToker or Frae aren’t playing thieves anymore. Are they full of kitten too?