Guild Wars 2

DutchRiders.2871:

Why would you stomp when you can leave your opponent bleeding out of position off point? Or when you can apply pressure with cleave+CC on the ress attempt?

Stomping is only good if ya really need the kill quick on a relatively healthy downed body.

Because most of the times your opponents die within the point

Burn.5401:

Dunno I’m enjoying OW quite a bit and it reminded me how a game can be fun unlike gw2’s pvp which is a toxic saltfest.

OW has the benefit of few million concurrent users. It’s fun as hell though, isn’t it

Acrisor.8097:

I like to think pro players and legendary players have teams, have skill, and play together with voice chat; that is how they appear doing PvP on Twitch and Youtube.

SoloQ my friend. Just soloQ.

Are we seriously discussing venom share thief now?

MadVisions.4529:

Cynz.9437:

He is sd main pulling certain wvw d/d thief player here: "please nerf all other builds but mine because it is “skillful” (oh and btw idc if thieves suck in pvp!)".

Your daily “he is s/d main blah blah blah” bullshlt skyrocketed lately.
To clarify something: The fact that i love s/d playstyle the most does not mean that i dont play 80% d/p thief in matchmaking. Nor does it mean that i can’t play better d/p than 99% of the game’s playerbase. So pls sit down

Period.

Venom(now) is suited for powercreep as you mentioned. And as i admit that it is fine vs the majority of classes but in thief v thief scenatios it’s just completely stupid and removes a lot of fun/skillcap. Meh.. mby it’s just impacting….
Sad story

Just interrupt the cast :o If you play 80% D/P then you have headshot available at least 50% of the time.

When I play thief I always, ALWAYS knock on far. If its a target i can take down within 15 seconds I’m doing it, if the enemy team cap and goes for creature i decap and cap for my team and go mid. If its some bunker stuff I go mid instantly for few quick jabs and when the far guy decides to go mid I go far. It usually splits the enemy team.

I’d also try to make them fight me off-point. Which works in lower tiers Especially if I’ve tilted the enemy guy, forcing them to chase me around the map People did that in diamond last season btw

Would love to see you succeeding in WoW pvp with a trial account. (or a build that was viable at launch and not one made after 10+ years of expansions). Good riddance.

That’s what basically Gw2 non-HoT is… a trial account.

Mysticjedi.6053:

That’s probably true. So I have to ask, why does pro-league get it and we don’t?

Ez. You are not pro league.

Division fall is necessary. I haven’t touched Gw2 ever since Overwatch beta. I don’t plan to I just can’t bring myself up to it but that’s beside the point. If I read the news correctly, I need only 1 win to be put in sapphire? I’m sure im so rusty that some ambers will probably kick my kitten . I don’t even know what’s meta these days xD If I start playing again I’ll surely make some of you occasional players unhappy :c

Oh well, guess I’ll miss my cool tag next to my character name :c

P.S: About the division fall, if you don’t want the more casual players to feel like crap, make division fall a bit harder, like … if you are out of pips and you chain 3-5 losses you lose division. Division should be “stronger” or rather, “harder” to lose than a tier. But they still need to fall. Decent players don’t lose 5 times in a row. Regardless of teammates. If someone is losing 5 times in a row they are not playing to win and they are harming their teammates. Which is not okay for someone who’s trying to push up.

IMO Emerald should be the only safe haven. And even this has to be questionable.

Also IMO ANet should reward you everytime you cross a division, even if you are going back in a division you just fell from. Let’s face it, a huge chunk of players play ranked not because of the competition but because of the PvP wings. Let them farm it and have them gone. This way you’ll have more competitive players across divisions.

When I’m playing other competitive games I don’t see players that hate PvP doing PvP. Gw2 forces people that usually avoid pvp to go into PvP. And you get people that are nto really into PvP (like most speedrunners) but want to have the cool skins.

leman.7682:

Some drama is fun but GW2 PvP is at a point where the most dedicated people are literally moving on.

I took a 5-month-something break from active playing and I wanted to come back for good for S3. I log in, no one’s online, see people logging in every few days just to chat and bash the game. That’s a major waste of time. As Henry put it – shambles.

Most of the intelligent human beings already quit because there’s just that much rubbish you can take before you notice that it’s going nowhere and the remains of faith that remain for Anet are not enough to counterbalance top releases at the end of May.

Ohh and writing here is also a waste of time because let’s face it, no one reads it and it’s just an echo chamber and a fight club.

Just passing the time to May 24th <3

Leeto.1570:

Watch any big esports and you will see that bot casters and players and loose and are having fun. Just yesterday in ESL CS:GO casters were smack talking each other and even physicly poking each other, cause its a kittening video game, its all entertainment business. Only people who need to be professional are those who work behind camera making the game and the tournament.
Of course when those people are unprofessional then you start whining that players need to be more serious cause otherwise gw2 esports look like complete joke, but it already is so what does it even matter.

Let me make some pretty clear, seems you are confused.

Gw2 Pro League should be seen as Valve’s “The International”, laugh all you want or don’t, i don’t really care. As such a certain degree of profesionalism from both casters and players is required. This is not your average Go4Gw2 or AspectGaming 2v2s or something like it. This is the tournament for the best of the best in Gw2 for quite an interesting prize money. Money being the keyword here. For such a substantial sum you must be an idiot to look at it as a joke. Or a loser.

Israel.7056:

Things that annoy me about conditions in GW2:

1.) Ignores armor, isn’t effected by weakness.

2.) only really requires one offensive stat to be reasonably effective.

3.) Confusion does damage no matter what, torment does extra damage when you move.

4.) Cleanses don’t prioritize the way a player does.

5.) Condis can burst as well as wear down

6.) Too many attacks in this game have some sort of condi application built into them on top of their power effect.

7.) Too much passive application built into traits

8.) Still think burning is a little too strong

- Ignores protection boon
- Ignores retaliation boon
- Hits through blocking (not invulnerabilities)
- Has other nasty effects other than damage (poison, chill)

I wonder if condi lovers would be happy if ANet introduces a stat for CC duration and you can stack 10 secs of CC if you build for it. I’ll be here telling them they can run stunbreaks (just like they tell me i can run condi cleanses)

Oh wait … moa is already kinda like it and they can even move. We all remember the massive QQs xD oh well

infantrydiv.1620:

Ravenmoon.5318:

My god the amount of bad players is astonishing. The reason people stacked revs was precisely the fact that it’s taxing the single rev too much. If they focus on boon they are free kill.

And who’s this guy talking about protection uptime and then saying that you can AA until your opponent dies. What the kitten mate? Did you ever get out of amber? Who the kitten AAs to kill someone <o> (beside thieves, but lets face it, that’s ANets design there) what opponents are you playing against … seriously? When I play rev I constantly switch back and forth through shiro/glint depending on the situation because there is this thing called focus and you have to react to it … you know…Sure if you imply that you never attack a rev I guess AA to death is rather easy xD Let’s all conveniently forget that in order for the rev to keep the boons up they forget about utilities. Weapons are strong, but not that strong, nto by a longshot. Class stacking is what rekts balance in this game. This is precisely why reapers got the short end of the stick, because those triple reaper teams spammed so much condi that no amount of cleanse could help you in a teamfight. Chill was way too powerful. Seeing 22k chill damage was a normal thing on a 15k HP toon. I’m happy they nerfed this because your average pleb had to switch class.

Double the win because most of those reaper plebs switched to revenant thinking it’s the holy grail. Well I 3v1ed some of those in unranked. While they would’ve destroyed me on reapers.

At this point I think I’m wasting words though. If you can’t see this then you are too pleb to comment here.

P.S: Ever heard of corruption?

Yeah, I was legend both seasons with about an 80% win rate. But legend has literally no prestige, the fact you even mention the league system in tandem with skill is a joke.

The fact is that Rev has the mobility of a Thief, damage of a warrior and boons/blocks of Guardian. Revs weren’t stacked because they wanted to split the boon load between them lol they were stacked because rev is extremely mobile, high damage, hard to kill, and on top of that spams boons in glint stance. The amount of bad FotM reroll revs who could kitten on people on their main classes (just check out how many guardians and thieves and warriors rerolled rev in pro league from before hot) is hilarious. You can call people plebs and say I’m bad at the game all you want to, it just makes you look like a rev fanboy who probably couldnt kill anyone before precision strike took half a persons health on a 4 second cd.

Oh and the reason Necro is not on my list is because it was already somewhat dealt with with the chill nerf. Although a good rev was still harder to kill than a good necro, necro was the ultimate braindead class before the nerf.

The only reason I mentioned the league system is because I know the guy i was talking to was “stuck in mmr hell” in amber. It’s no secret any half decent player could get to leggy on soloQ if they wanted to.

Rev fanboy … no, but i’ve been here long enough to realize what this community is doing to this game. I’m thief first and foremost in pvp. We had uncalled nerf a year ago because people couldn’t deal with stealth. We had plenty of nerfs before that to reduce us from multi-build multi-purpose build to D/P backcap +1 fighter. And from my PoV revenant is okay, people just refuse to learn to fight with it. They rather cry for nerves.

Same with chronomancer, I don’t even play this class but I cringe at all the “PLS NERF CHRONO” or “WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT CHRONO” what the hell … grow a pair and counter it …

And now people got their pitchforks against ele and scrapper …. any sane individual would figure out that any additional nerf to either of those 2 classes would effectively erase them from any game mode. But no … people cry and make an issue out of it and they have to be nerfed. Why? Because someone can’t kill a sustain class onpoint. lel

I rest my case. This community is trash.

P.S: I don’t mind people rolling to revs. Do you? I also don’t mind people rolling to thieves. A good 90% is just trash tier that know nothing other most basic rotation anyway.

Teutos.8620:

Wolfey.3407:

Moving on to Argi, if he is that upset over the way Guild Wars 2 is heading PvP wise, there are more beneficial ways of making your voice heard then being a drunken slob on stream.

Then please enlighten us all which more beneficial way is still left untouched.

The whole tournament was just between the top 3 teams and who will gain a spot at the wts. If there occurs a problem in one of the matches between those three teams, then you have to do a replay. There is – from a completely objective pov – no other option to handle this properly.

The problem was voiced in every possible way AND still ArenaNet did not react.

Personally, I say suspend Argi from tournament play for next season and move on. There’s no need for drunks to be on stream… there’s no need to advertise non-partner merchandise on stream, there’s no need to bash a game on stream.

I suggest you do your job properly too and tell ArenaNet that the pvp forum community calls ArenaNet out for doing a bad job at handling those ddos problems AND not intervene with Argis freedom of speech.

He, in fact, did not ‘bash’ the game. He did not call it any names what so over, he just said the plain and obvious truth. Just because you personally would like that the truth is different, you are definitely not allowed to behave like a dictator -.- come on, think it truth what you are demanding.

That thing that many people seem to forget these days, and older people like to blame the millenials for the lack of it – professionalism

You didn’t hear Michael Jordan trashtalking basketball on ESPN now did you? If you are old enough to know about the legend…

apharma.3741:

Varezenem.2813:

Ravenmoon.5318:

It’s not like you can play the victim 100% of the time. Why isn’t Helseth being DDoSed on tournaments? He’s been on the competitive scene since it existed. Why hasn’t he been DDoSed when it mattered? I’m sure he has fair share of haters that would love nothing more than seeing his team fail. Why can’t they get to him.

I believe I can answer this I remember him mentioning during a interview that he uses another internet connection during his league plays.

He also has, from what I gather, been DDoS in the past in tournaments. He had a stream up not long after the whole Frostball incident where Helseth mentioned how no-one gave a fluff when he got DDoS’d in the past and said he had to sort it out himself so he didn’t care too much about what happened.

He even went through a simple way you can protect yourself by having your mobile phone act as a hotspot and you connect to your phone from your PC. You can then play on your phones internet which for the most part is just as reliable and fast as it needs to be.

Yep the 4G connections are sick fast and offer more than you could ever need in an online game Low ping too if your reception is good. Lucky for me there is 4G tower in proximity to my house. Currently considering getting an unlimited data plan and cut the LAN internet. Extra bonus is that when a thunderstorm hits I won’t fear about my router, it’s all wireless

Cynz.9437:

Elegie.3620:

I main a warrior, and the sustain is real. Is it too much? Well, it’s a matter of perspective. If you believe that Druid, Revenant, Mesmer, Elem and Scrapper are okay, then the warrior is definitely okay, without a doubt. If you however believe that they’re too strong, then the warrior might indeed be too strong, and nerfing should be made globally.

By “too strong”, I mean cheese, i.e. an unreasonable skill/risk/reward ratio, provided by unbalanced skills, traits and/or utilities.

i second this, couldn’t say better really

elites ruined pvp in this game, imo

Silberfederling.9302:

Reroll teef, vault wait for Dodge aftercast vault, Staff 5 vault vault Staff 5 vault 9 k dodgerolls but warrior is op. Gimme a break

someone died to vault spammer lol

you do know staff5 and vault are the same and can be spammed only so often? dodge doesn’t do 9k
(and no, i don’t play staff lel)

:DDDDDD

My god the amount of bad players is astonishing. The reason people stacked revs was precisely the fact that it’s taxing the single rev too much. If they focus on boon they are free kill.

And who’s this guy talking about protection uptime and then saying that you can AA until your opponent dies. What the kitten mate? Did you ever get out of amber? Who the kitten AAs to kill someone <o> (beside thieves, but lets face it, that’s ANets design there) what opponents are you playing against … seriously? When I play rev I constantly switch back and forth through shiro/glint depending on the situation because there is this thing called focus and you have to react to it … you know…Sure if you imply that you never attack a rev I guess AA to death is rather easy xD Let’s all conveniently forget that in order for the rev to keep the boons up they forget about utilities. Weapons are strong, but not that strong, nto by a longshot. Class stacking is what rekts balance in this game. This is precisely why reapers got the short end of the stick, because those triple reaper teams spammed so much condi that no amount of cleanse could help you in a teamfight. Chill was way too powerful. Seeing 22k chill damage was a normal thing on a 15k HP toon. I’m happy they nerfed this because your average pleb had to switch class.

Double the win because most of those reaper plebs switched to revenant thinking it’s the holy grail. Well I 3v1ed some of those in unranked. While they would’ve destroyed me on reapers.

At this point I think I’m wasting words though. If you can’t see this then you are too pleb to comment here.

P.S: Ever heard of corruption?

MadVisions is actually a good player. It makes me giggle seeing all tryhard plebs trying to talk him down xD

Revenant applying boons with zero effort? Wut? Got drugs mate? You do realize if the rev keeps those boons up they cant attack right? Because that energy bar will vanish. Clearly you’ve never played rev. Like most crybabies in this forum. Anyway…

Scrapper got nerfed to the point where long time engineers don’t touch the class with 10ft pole. Scrapper is an issue at low tier play.

Tempest being toxic weeeeeell … it’s pretty much the only viable build they have. Anything else cripples their team. Same goes for chronomancer.

It’s funny because people keep asking for nerfs on already nerfed into oblivion classes

I’m disappointed, I expected to see double moa.

dank.3680:

Ravenmoon.5318:

I guess it was easier for both ANet and the baddies to turn down duration rather than adding a jump to the moa and have the moa player kite properly.

Oh well. That’s one of the reasons we are in the esports gutter

Yeah ok, or maybe you are the baddie, if you need a full 10s to burst a defenseless target.

6 seconds of locking a person completely out of their class is plenty.

You had plenty of chances to dodge the moa before it ever hit you. You have plenty of chances to dodge and even attack while in moa.

But nah … let’s cry to ANet. Crying always solves it)

P.S: I don’t play mesmer so I wouldn’t need the full duration. As a thief/rev I instakill moa when I see it. Still, the nerf was stupid.

I actually don’t know what’s the issue of being able to see enemy comp given you are not allowed to change your comp. All this does is to promote meta build game where build > skill. Every build is counterable but if you guess incorrectly you are nerfing your team basically.

After playing Overwatch this past weekend I really liked the option of being able to select whatever I wanted to play and whatever I thought was right. And if I was being countered because of enemy comp I could switch to counter them. I think it was a great aspect of the game. It allowed for a lot more strategy than “rotation”.

Since it would be silly to change builds/classes/specs midgame, it would be nice to at least know what you are fighting against in that short one minute time. It might also give insight on weaker people why they die.

I mean … with only 3 trait lanes, any build can be guessed to the the spot, I don’t know why some “pros” try to hide it. It takes 1 encounter to know what you are wearing and what traits you’ve picked. The only thing that is kinda hard to guess is the amulet because there are so many options that overlap each other. But let’s face it … most professions builds are limited to 1 tops 2 amulets to be viable. It’s not like thieves suddenly will pickup clerics. And if they do they’ll be free kill anyway.

It is not infinite dodge. Make some distance to this so called infinite dodger and see how much infinite their dodging gets.

Fay.2357:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Ostricheggs.3742:

From the interview, it seemed like he was telling it how it is from his perspective. I mean, he has a good point.

The sad thing is, I understand how he feels. I was DDoS’d during qualifiers for the first WTS along with many others on the NA side. Grouch pretty much let the match PZ vs Radioactive go for over 13 restarts. The stream was cut and basically were told that we could either replay the matches another day, or finish it today. Everyone voted to finish it that day. Despite it basically being a 4v4 at that point, we (The Abjured) still qualified.

While it was not “fun”, the makers of the tournament saw it through in a fair way, and at the end of the day nobody had any complaints about who won. The videos of the matches were later compiled and posted on youtube.

This is MY experience getting DDoS’d, and let me tell you it is the most frustrating thing to possibly have happen, let alone if you lose a match because of it, but it was presumably handled better than Argi’s case.

I’m not particularly familiar with the circumstances, but people should actually watch the interview instead of judging him seeming “unprofessional” for talking about what was asked of him in an honest way. It’s ostensible towards the end of the season that some will lose interest, especially when they don’t win!

It seems like people forget to realize that this tournament is actually ran by ESL and not ANet. I don’t get the salt here really. Yeah Grouch let you replay gazillion times … so what? It was unfair to Team PZ who had taken the necessary measures to counter the DDoS. You didn’t deserve to go there if it is how you say it. Never forget that beside money, you play for the people. That’s what sports is all about. Forcing 1-2k people to wait for your highness because you are too cheap to spend 20$ on DDoS protection is not sportsmanship.

And LOL at the “communist community” remark Made my day at what lengths people go to make themselves feel better on the internet Not everyone lives in a 3rd world communistic country mate.

Just to be clear: it’s not possible to stop a DDoS attack. It’s possible to prevent your ip from being resolved in the past, but there’s no quick fix to stopping a DDoS from a source that already has your ip.

Let’s face it … huge chunk of people have dynamic IP addresses. ISPs can change IP addresses for a price. You can have a “second line”. And you actually can prevent some types of DDoS. I made a thread in this specific forum.

It’s not like you can play the victim 100% of the time. Why isn’t Helseth being DDoSed on tournaments? He’s been on the competitive scene since it existed. Why hasn’t he been DDoSed when it mattered? I’m sure he has fair share of haters that would love nothing more than seeing his team fail. Why can’t they get to him.

DDoS is full of kitten attack surrounded with a lot of drama by the media and advertised as something really strong. It isn’t.

I had gigabit DDoS attacks on one of my servers, the hosting provider threatened to cut my internet, I dealt with the attack for free. Most of it was mitigated by banning China.

Ostricheggs.3742:

From the interview, it seemed like he was telling it how it is from his perspective. I mean, he has a good point.

The sad thing is, I understand how he feels. I was DDoS’d during qualifiers for the first WTS along with many others on the NA side. Grouch pretty much let the match PZ vs Radioactive go for over 13 restarts. The stream was cut and basically were told that we could either replay the matches another day, or finish it today. Everyone voted to finish it that day. Despite it basically being a 4v4 at that point, we (The Abjured) still qualified.

While it was not “fun”, the makers of the tournament saw it through in a fair way, and at the end of the day nobody had any complaints about who won. The videos of the matches were later compiled and posted on youtube.

This is MY experience getting DDoS’d, and let me tell you it is the most frustrating thing to possibly have happen, let alone if you lose a match because of it, but it was presumably handled better than Argi’s case.

I’m not particularly familiar with the circumstances, but people should actually watch the interview instead of judging him seeming “unprofessional” for talking about what was asked of him in an honest way. It’s ostensible towards the end of the season that some will lose interest, especially when they don’t win!

It seems like people forget to realize that this tournament is actually ran by ESL and not ANet. I don’t get the salt here really. Yeah Grouch let you replay gazillion times … so what? It was unfair to Team PZ who had taken the necessary measures to counter the DDoS. You didn’t deserve to go there if it is how you say it. Never forget that beside money, you play for the people. That’s what sports is all about. Forcing 1-2k people to wait for your highness because you are too cheap to spend 20$ on DDoS protection is not sportsmanship.

And LOL at the “communist community” remark Made my day at what lengths people go to make themselves feel better on the internet Not everyone lives in a 3rd world communistic country mate.

Leeto.1570:

Dont understand the big deal he just says what all veteran players already knew only anouncing it to public. Everyone knew that if you want to go pro in gw2 then try to put the least amount of effort and dont sacrifice anything for it.
No other team put as much effort into gw2 as vermilion did and at the end of the day all that time is wasted because they got ddosed, the game is joke and anything can happen.
Every single tournaments outcome has been decided by something that players cant affect, be it lag on lan tournament or secret sigil nerfs or whatever else.
If the game would be about skill then a team that wins world championship wouldnt be one of worst teams next year with same players while competing against same players.

Salt? :o

It’s funny you all blame ArenaNET for vM’s downfall.

However … this tournament is conducted by ESL, a company that lives and breathes esports for more than a decade. They have a very specific ruleset and absolutely no room for “what if”, which is fair. I am sure every team has agreed to those terms. If they failed at reading, that’s their problem, not ESLs and certainly not ANet’s

The only thing ANet is “guilty” of is providing the incentive for the tournament (the grand prize).

Focus your hate elsewhere, ANet doesn’t deserve it, not in this particular case anyway.

To put things in perspective.

Face it, kdaddy has a legit point in here.

What are you guys onto about? Merc amulet was the sole reason condi builds were so strong. This is a good change. Now they’ll either go glass condi or power, not both. Their skills would not hit for much, leaving most of the damage to be done through conditions. Which should’ve been the case to begin with. There shouldn’t exist any +power +condi.damage amulets. Ever. Otherwise the AI play is too strong. It’s the one thing I don’t like about this game’s PvP.

Zeghart.9841:

It was kinda pathetic to be honest. Lately you just hear about how proleague is a joke and gw2 esports can’t be anything but a marketing stunt. But I’m starting to think that some of the pro players are mostly getting the competitive scene they deserve.

Still complaining about a DDOS? Anet can’t cover your kitten regarding stuff they don’t even have control on. You know you can be targeted, you take precautions. You don’t, you pay the consequences. ESPECIALLY when you KNOW that the game doesn’t have a pause function. Being salty about it when you could’ve done something about it is just childish.

Not to mention the whole CC and Frostball thing. Those players are a way bigger joke than GW2’s “esport” scene will ever be. And that’s saying something.

This guy gets it. Argi ate the strim few weeks ago and now he’s being a kitten. No other game has such trash tier players in their pro leagues. From the looks of it the dude couldn’t even handle a real beer, so he had a flavored one and still got drunk AF. As viewer I think my IQ dropped just by listening to this guy. The salt was real.

kdaddy.5431:

Azukas.1426:

I had a few issues with the interview.

First and foremost he’s acting like a child. A DDOS happened and it is what it is. You can’t cheat to right that and then get all upset when caught. Life happens and there are times you just have to man up and take it.

The lack of respect for Anet who put this together. Look I’m the farthest thing from an Anet fan boy but if I’m making money playing this game ima treat that league with respect.

I agree completely,

Everyone is crying for a pause mode. Obviously i have no clue about online sports but real sports doesnt have the “ok lets stop everything for the hurt player”.

Football has it, it’s called fairplay. The opposing team kicks the ball outside the field and the referee stops the game until the hurt player is dealt with.

Also usually when there is a hurt player there has been a foul made, thus the game might have already been stopped. But accidents do happen and the opposing team chooses to fairplay or not.

Or are you guys implying that the enemy team can pause whenever they want without the agreement of the other team?))

I don’t know that’s pretty close matchup. I’d say you got lucky

Would love to have a 5 thief match-up. As a thief main. You do realize that a single CC would be enough to implode your dodging puppet right? It takes one steal and a focus fire to implode you in a teamfight, especially if I have revenant or chrono on my side. And if you can’t win your teamfights you hardly have a chance to win the game. You don’t kill fast enough to warrant outrotating the enemy.

Did that thief on the vid try to not hit you on purpose or am I missing a point here?

learn to play OP. Chrono and rev are not that strong and can be countered. They even have a counter between each other. Revenant can’t do kitten against chrono xD

And about your second paragraph. I don’t know what kool aid are you on, but the revenant has been receiving nothing but nerfs ever since HoT launched. Do notice that they take support role in any sort of PvE. Think about it and then reply.

P.S: Even in WvW they play support role. But yeah … jump on the “nerf rev” bandwagon. Why not. It’s easier to cripple a class than to actually learn to play. Look at tempests And warriors.

Oh well, back to overwatch for me, at least people don’t complain about skirmishing classes like the tracer there.

Exciton.8942:

Reaper damage nerfed
Revenant damage nerfed
Moa nerfed.

It will be incredibly hard to kill anyone, especially with support ele/druid around.
I think it will be another bunker meta.

Just you wait, the baddies are eyeing the thief too. Plenty of people who don’t know what dodge is complain about vault. And stealth. And…wait for it …. wall of reflection

Cry for nerfs, like everyone on this forums seems to be doing lately. What do you know, you might have it your way.

Cynz.9437:

Ninski.5680:

Now they just need to nerf thief damage, steal> 1 shot, every popular build viable, S\D S\P D\P, condi, staff all meta. all viable to legend, lets see it anet

Yeah that is why pro league teams rocking thief and dominating~

Are you seriously complaining about thief as rev lol?

+1 lol. I don’t even know how these people complain about the thief now while its super useless.

Is this forum full of people stuck in “amber mmr hell” lol? <o>

Aeolus.3615:

@Ravenmoon.5318, not if mobs were also adjusted to those changes, u cant just change players skills and then leave the rest of the game untouched, adjustments need to be done.

It’s too much work and QA for every little change. I suppose this is why we wait weeks/months for few cooldown/duration updates. I agree with you but my almost 4 year experience makes me skeptical they’d do this now.

Zenith.6403:

How difficult can it be to discuss skill balance without insulting other players? I don’t need to learn to play. I know what these skills do and how to counter them also. This is a topic discussing how to balance these skills so that their power is more in line with combat flow.

Clearly you don’t.

Sunshine.5014:

The devs need to recognize that balancing for PvP is 100x more important than balancing for PvE.

That’s not completely true. PvE now basically comes down to raiding. It’s so boosted that it requires ascended gear to pass with high success rate. Nerfing skills left and right will break that balance. You don’t want the pve plebs coming here and complaining, seriously.

Taltevus.3289:

phokus.8934:

You need to move beyond core specs as they’re complementary to elite specializations now. Elite specializations is the new game now. There’s no way that they’ll keep core specs on an even par with elite specializations – what’s the incentive for pvpers/wvw to buy expansion packs then?

Admittedly, this is a weird time as we only have one elite specialization to choose from but I’ll guarantee any amount of gold that it’ll be better when we get more.

You need to move past core specs being on the same field as elites. The game has so should you.

Gw2…officially pay to win.

I agree with the OP but your opinion is full of kitten. It’s a B2P game. Deal with it without posting kitten you don’t understand.

1) Poor nerfs to calm the masses instead of solutions to actual problems
2) Unranked being completely unfun due to the baddies that play in it
3) More and more direction into condi meta, letting the game playing for the baddies
4) Overwatch open beta

P.S: From the looks of it staff thief could expect the next nerfbat. Someone that didn’t know dodge key existed complained about Vault’s damage.

Chase.2798:

I think having continum split not effect elites would have made a lot more sense or maybe a 1s daze added to moa when not split

Adding the ability to jump while in moa would’ve made at least the good players survive most of the moa due to obstructions and kiting. But that would involve more than 10 seconds of dev time.

I guess it was easier for both ANet and the baddies to turn down duration rather than adding a jump to the moa and have the moa player kite properly.

Oh well. That’s one of the reasons we are in the esports gutter

Darknicrofia.2604:

ok, people need to stop harping on Tage’s medihammer build.

it was literally 1 kittening build, used in 1 tournament that hasn’t had that type of duplicated success EVER again by another player.

as opposed to say, D/D ele, shoutbow warrior or the OP elite specs we have now.

So we are going to close our eyes about everyone and their dog rolling a mediham guard right after that tourney? For the sole reason of this build being so dope it could one-shot people better than the thief at the time. I’ve personally done it. Multiple times.

And the builds you’ve listed are mostly builds that 90% of the baddies didn’t know how to outplay. They weren’t that OP.

But yeah, Gw2 is a game that has crippled very good builds that required a lot of player skill to actually be rewarding … and that has been done consistently because ANet tends to listen to their joke of a pvp community. I mean seriously … would you compare ROM’s shoutbow with your average joe shoutbow?

I’ve never played a shoutbow but it sure was interesting fighting them. Same for hambows. But yeah there were bunch of crybabies and what do you know … warrior is a scrub tier these days. Guardian was too strong with meditations and burns and what do you know … it’s getting closer and closer to scrub tier. Chrono had a real nice power shatter build and slowly but steadily it’s going to get nerfed until scrub tier. Revenant ate the nerfbat on an already underperforming DPSer it is slowly but steadily going to go away.

But hey, we get cool things like no-skill chronophantasma build or the spamwich reaper. Those sure made some baddies feel good about themselves.

Thief vs healbot … stalemate …. wut o.O drop that chill and see the ele crumble under the weight of its cooldowns xD

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

Nearly 4 years into the game and Guardian has had the following problems since launch

1: A good 50% of their traits being absolute crap nobody in their right mind would ever use for anything serious

2: Half of their utility skills also being absolute crap nobody in their right mind would ever use for anything serious.

3: Sword AA chain being reflectable, often missing entirely and having such a narrow cone its hard to hit multiple targets

4: Sword #3 not actually blocking anything (it absorbs & thus is useless for block traits), it also can be strafed around and does lower damage then the AA that often misses.

5: Scepter AA being so slow you can outrun it or side strafe it easily.

6: Staff generally trying to fill the role of a herald, PS warrior or Ele and doing it horribly on all accounts. On top of having horribly DPS.

7: Multiple helpful skills being designed around symbols which try to make you want to stand still in a game which is designed to punish standing still.

8: Multiple hammer skills being so slow & easy to avoid that a person would have to be unconscious to enjoy using them or be hit by them.

9: The lack of survivability the class has when using anything but meditations in a PvP setting.

Face it Anet has no idea WTF they are doing with the class and could probably accomplish the same outcome at a cheaper price by firing the people responsible for its design & replacing them with a spinning wheel ala wheel of fortune.

(PS I take the last part back, a wheel of “design” would probably do the job better as it wouldn’t have pre conceived notions or biases)

Most of your post is pure bullkitten, especially your moaning about hammer being slow. Hey pal, last year mediguard was meta, with a hammer, just FYI. And it would still be meta if the game didn’t become so passive with HoT. Banish completely makes a fool out of everyone who tries to ressurect a downed player. Shortly after that we got the burn guard when they amped up conditions damage and stacking, it was way too strong and they had to nerf burning itself to bring the class inline. So don’t tell me most of guardian’s traits and utilities are useless.

Also when I played guardian 2 years ago (it was my main for over a year) I’m certain I used every utility skill, without the spirit weapons because they are crap, granted, but the rest are nice if you build around. Sure maybe not in spvp but there are 2 other modes. Never forget, the game is not solely balanced around sPvP. The latest nerf was actually made because of WvW.

Guardian was the profession with the longest standing skill split. Stand your ground had different effect in sPVP for years, among others.

By your own admission you have not played guardian in 2 years

As for guardian ever being “meta”, It never has been a few teams decided to bring one on as their 5th but by their own consensus it was because they couldn’t stack another ele/engi/rev and guardian while still a bad option was still better then the other choices given their comp.

For burn guard, it was only ever good in solo que where people did not bring a reasonable amount of condition removal to cleanse the 1 harmful condition guardians had.

The rest of my post is completely true and has been known by the community for a long time.
Not that I would expect you to agree with it, your post history shows nothing but arguments in many cases for the sake of arguments as you seem to enjoy insulting others

oRNG won WTS Boston thanks to, infact, Tage’s medihammer. Shortly after, everyone and their dog were running medihammer.

Just like with the chrono mesmer, it didn’t start as meta in season 2, then few streamers in particular (main mesmers) said that you should carry, and people copied there builds and poof now everyone complains about double moa and how powerful continuum split is.

And no, I’m no whiteknight, I just bash on posts I find stupid. I’ll be happy to let you know that the more I stick in this forum the more those posts multiply.

I even have people claiming that revenant is unstoppable if you have whole team working for you. But isn’t it everyone now really? It’s amusing

Back to guardian, it’s bad in sPvP but very okay-ish in WvW. Which kinda makes sense, we are talking about different gamemodes these days. With different goals and tactics.

Asrat.2645:

XxsdgxX.8109:

“Rev is still being played! I want those kittens that gave ANET money for their expansion to never touch Revenants again, it must get nerfed enough to be unplayable!”

This is basically all of you who keep saying that Rev has been getting nothing for nerfs, when practically almost every patch, although not across every single skill, they have been getting drastic nerfs one skill at a time. This is the second time Surge of the Mists has been nerfed, if you didn’t know then it’s clear how little you actually care about being fair. And you pretty much don’t even play Revenant, the only way to land all the damage from a skill you have no control over once you cast it is actually very situational, like being AFK next to a wall.

You well know deep inside you that you want Revenant completely out of radar, like being played 1 for each 20 players.

The DPS is already really bad for Raids and Revenant is only usable in WvW for Hammer 2, what a kittening disgusting community.

Are you joking?
I do happen to play revenant once in a while and they are, in fact, very strong.
Its a class with a lot of strong assets, that are easy to use but hard to master.
There is a reason the class was in the meta since HoT release, on every pro league team and always counted as top tier.
Rev currently has a hard time in solo due to all the condi builds, but as part of a reliable team and a healbot to provide cleanses they are basically unstoppable.
Surge of the mists is a high damage, hard cc, gap closing, auto evade skill, capable of hitting multiple targets and fairly little telegraphed.
I would have preferred to see the evade frame go instead of the damage, but the nerf was totally in order.

Every freaking sane build is unstoppable with a healbot and a whole kittening team working for you….i kittening hate seeing this as a freaking argument. You guys are terrible at logic or common sense or both geez.

Seriously, what argument is this. What drugs are you on, give me some, lel <o>

Cynz.9437:

I can kill (average) mes on thief but only because daredevil has crap load of dodges, interrupts, double plasma with resistance boon, generocity sigil and withdraw clearing torment. I can totally see how it is close to impossible to deal with them on other classes. If team has 2 mes then GG. They will guard every point and condi nuke anyone on map thanks to double portal.

CS shouldn’t affect elites imo and chrono GM trait needs a nerf.

You’ll whine about mesmers being able to quadriple portal if/when they nerf CS.

When you see double mes, bring a thief and a healbot. Case closed. You’ll force the mesmer into backpedal

Ontopic, I suppose most of the crying out comes from wannabe revenants. Given chrono can absolutely and dominantly beat up revenant with one hand tied to their back (lol much rev, so op). These guys are absolutely terrible at this game and try to bandwagon hard. The problem with revenant however is that it actually has quite high skill floor. I mean sure, everyone can spam precision strike and unrelenting assault and call it a day, but so could everyone spam heartseeker and death blossom and/or vault. Neither of which is a good idea btw, in case you had the wrong ideas. Vault gets a little cheesy but if you can mitigate the damage the thief is 2-3 shot after that.

Infact vault thieves easily beat up chronos The AoE of the attack is pretty big and you are able to destroy the clones while in evasion frames. Mesmers barely, if at all, stealth these days so if you are observant you know who they are

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

Nearly 4 years into the game and Guardian has had the following problems since launch

1: A good 50% of their traits being absolute crap nobody in their right mind would ever use for anything serious

2: Half of their utility skills also being absolute crap nobody in their right mind would ever use for anything serious.

3: Sword AA chain being reflectable, often missing entirely and having such a narrow cone its hard to hit multiple targets

4: Sword #3 not actually blocking anything (it absorbs & thus is useless for block traits), it also can be strafed around and does lower damage then the AA that often misses.

5: Scepter AA being so slow you can outrun it or side strafe it easily.

6: Staff generally trying to fill the role of a herald, PS warrior or Ele and doing it horribly on all accounts. On top of having horribly DPS.

7: Multiple helpful skills being designed around symbols which try to make you want to stand still in a game which is designed to punish standing still.

8: Multiple hammer skills being so slow & easy to avoid that a person would have to be unconscious to enjoy using them or be hit by them.

9: The lack of survivability the class has when using anything but meditations in a PvP setting.

Face it Anet has no idea WTF they are doing with the class and could probably accomplish the same outcome at a cheaper price by firing the people responsible for its design & replacing them with a spinning wheel ala wheel of fortune.

(PS I take the last part back, a wheel of “design” would probably do the job better as it wouldn’t have pre conceived notions or biases)

Most of your post is pure bullkitten, especially your moaning about hammer being slow. Hey pal, last year mediguard was meta, with a hammer, just FYI. And it would still be meta if the game didn’t become so passive with HoT. Banish completely makes a fool out of everyone who tries to ressurect a downed player. Shortly after that we got the burn guard when they amped up conditions damage and stacking, it was way too strong and they had to nerf burning itself to bring the class inline. So don’t tell me most of guardian’s traits and utilities are useless.

Also when I played guardian 2 years ago (it was my main for over a year) I’m certain I used every utility skill, without the spirit weapons because they are crap, granted, but the rest are nice if you build around. Sure maybe not in spvp but there are 2 other modes. Never forget, the game is not solely balanced around sPvP. The latest nerf was actually made because of WvW.

Guardian was the profession with the longest standing skill split. Stand your ground had different effect in sPVP for years, among others.

Erzian.5218:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Everybody shouts nerf this nerf that nerf this nerf that. How about you suggest something innovative like i don’t know … maybe rework ventari stance in something useful and have it match healbot ele or bunker druid and not being a complete trainwreck with 0 synergy with everything else and borderline impossible to control tablet.

Because also having an underpowered set of utility skills makes the broken meta build less broken :^)
pro tip: ventari (and jalis) are both useful in the games most popular game mode and literally EVERY SINGLE class in the game has a variety of utility skills as well as weapons that are useless in at least one if not multiple game modes. That does not justify broken meta builds and revenant is no exception here.

#logc #noneofit