Guild Wars 2

If you fire the sword off it does 2400 damage and the hammer 800. It might be our highest burst spec. The poor ranger would be toast.

Leap + Symbol of wrath + spin to win + blinding blade + hammer + sword

Omg it does some nice damage in a short amount of time

I would say No. Guardian is kinda boring compared to a Warrior.

I only use the staff if I have to. Usually, I prefer to stand around doing nothing than wave the staff. It’s a pretty sissy weapon.

I had missed out on GW1. I was playing NWN online and loving it, but once I got doing MMO’s I never got around to it. GW2 was supposed to be the spiritual successor to GW1 and improve upon it. I feel betrayed. This expansion is not Guild Wars. Vertical progression is not Guild Wars. I guess I missed out.

Meh all the YB people are doing pve. What a bunch of kittens. Guess after so many tough matches people need a break. Last night, Aussie time, spent most of it holding YBBL from some impressive sized zergs. Tbh it got a bit exhausting.

Well done to the other 2 servers for their strong starts.

I like to skirmish. Block bridges, charge the flanks, destroy siege, that sort of thing. I use gs/hammer.

JI, Wall and SY are on my bar. Basically, I prefer to Leap at the foe and hit JI at the same time, then WW cutting off his way back to the zerg.

I run AH and use the virtues to heal myself and Renewed Focus to escape if the foes turn on me. Wall buys alot of time too.

If the foes start running I pull ou the hammer and start beatin on them to keep the pressure up. Even beating on fallen foes to keep the protection buff on your team.

I use 0/0/30/30/10.

It seems to be a nice combo of offense and defense.

I think we are pretty balanced. I think they are constantly working to bring some classes up to our level and the op classes down to us.

I highly reccomened mace/focus as your second weapon set. Basically, these two weapons make you very tanky and are very easy to play.

I would use gs as my primary. Get off the leap/symbol/spin then switch weapons to mace/focus and fire off what pleases you, the combo of 4, 2, 3 and the 1 chain, hit in no particular order works really well.

Grab 15 radiance and 5 virtues. Then 20 honor. Then rest in valor. Basically the 0/15/30/20/5 version of crithammer.

I’d run Wall of Reflection to block projectiles, the -10% damage signet, and Hold the Line for regen.

She doesn’t have to dodge much with this build. Just dump in a bunch of damage with the gs then faceroll mace/focus till mobs are done. Rinse and repeat.

You could also use Runes of Lyssa and Renewed Focus to remove the conditions and turn them to boons.

Or a combo of condition shortening runes, foods and consumables.

The current costs for a normal piece of pvp gear needs to be dropped to about 150-200 tokens.

Ascended gear could be about 500 badges.

I will be interested to see how much Karma they cost when they introduce Ascended gear for Karma. I am guessing 100-150k Karma.

Either way I am saving up both indefinitely.

As to Warhammer, last time I played, maybe 2 years ago, they had a very good gear progression for pvp in place. But initially the pve to pvp was stupid.

Yey another op thief skill.

Lol has a hundred characters and there are some that are used mostly by the pro’s and others that seem to favour pub’s. This makes balancing a bit easier for them. They can balance some characters for nub use and others for pro. Gw2 does not have this luxury.

Imho balancing aroud 5v5 tpvp, played only by 1% of the player base is dumb in the extreme.

As to thieves, thieves are like Eve great for pubstomping but not used as much in pro ranks.

Leadfoot.9071:

Sorry if this is a stupid question but I was wondering about condition dmg in spvp and earning glory. It seems to me that often I will deal a pretty good chunk of condition dmg to a bad guy but not get any credit for the kill. What are the rules here? Do direct damage dealers have an advantage in accumulating glory via kills in spvp?

Thanks!

I’ve had the same thing happen heaps of times. Done thousands of damage to a foe and got no credit.

The sword/torch works pretty good. Like most people I prefer a gs/hammer as it kills faster, but teamed with a mace/focus its pretty good.

I run gs/hammer.

0/0/30/30/10

It does pretty good damage, I seem to get lots of kills, and is pretty tanky. The 10 in virtues is to simply improve Wall of Reflection which may be our best skill in WvW.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQRAsf5dlYgiDnGyNEfIFRuArHEEh+DXw1DI6wGC

I used something like this all the way to 80. Swap out JI for wall of reflection if you need to.

Mimmik.2651:

I run scepter/torch glass cannon for siege defence..so many people get within 900m of the walls and when they do, i melt them..scepter auto hits up to 2700 in my build, smite ticks up to 1500, torch throw up to 7k not counting the burn..so afew autos, torch throw, smite, chains of light, more autos..if they live they wont get close again soon..agree that if they increase auto speed they need to nerf another aspect

You must play against the special ed server. Tried this weapon out in a keep and probably 1 in 20 balls hits its target. People avoid it with ease or even trying to.

Here’s a thought. Decrease the stat increase slightly, simply adjust the % based stat to be equal (7% instead of 10) and remove stats from the infusions. 10% crit damage instead of 7% is a massive increase. You could even make it 8% for the hsmsters in all of us.

Now you have gear that is only slightly better. Depending on whether your build needs runes, Exotic armor is only slightly less and people will notice little difference. At the same time you have your little treadmill for the hamsters and kept your horizontal progression.

Those are pretty boring weapons. I find pretty much every weapon style more fun than those.

Mhyrria.4160:

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A blue infusion, although only +5 vit, it is still a stat gain. And it’s only blue, they send they will be adding more with higher rarity. And this thread is not about the imbalance, it is about adding a vertical progression. 3% more or 10% or whatever, it is still vertical progression.

The infusions are worrying to the extreme. This is going to be a lot more than the 8% or so power creep people originally talked about. Its going to end up being a 20%+ power creep.

Not to mention, what if there ends up being an infusion that reduced damage in pvp ala Resilience?

I thought I was done with Gear based pvp when I bought GW2. That was their promise. Guess I was lied to.

I bought into the GW2 manifesto. It basically summed up how I was feeling about MMO’s.

Sadly, I see that Anet has lost their integrity and caved into WOW lovers.

This Ascended gear is The gear treadmill they said would never exist in their game. And very few players are happy about it.

Semantics aside

They have become absurdly op and need to have their stealth looked at.

No. Dev’s said previously there would be no permastealth in this game.

There is currently such a state of stealth that it is pretty much permanent. Unlike other games you can stealth, attack and restealth repeatedly. AND you can damage people without being seen. It is absurd.

While individual skills may indeed be working as intended, combined groups of skills are not. The dev’s need to reevaluate each stealth skill and look at tneir cumulative effect.

Stealth was intended for hit and run tactics. What I currently see is stealth, restealth and grief tactics that are too powerful.

Welcome to WoW Jr.

He is not meant to be invisible for so long. Anet really needs to evaluate the theif skills that grant inv as they are not working as intended.

Katsumoto.9452:

Surprised. I can see why they did it, but as most healing is rather small per individual i’d have expected a higher cap, maybe 10.

Agree for exactly the same reason.

It seems detrimental for both Raid-type DE’s in pve and WvW to limit it to 5. 10 would have seemed like a good compromise.

Its nice to see a dev comment on this. If someone targets you, your computer should be made aware of them and kept aware of them. This could solve some of the thief issues.

A lot of adjustments are made re the meta of 5v5 and labelled pvp changes. I am glad they don’t apply to WvW, because when you start dealing with large groups of people some of the recently nerfed skills would be currently useless in WvW.

Honor: I usually grab larger symbols, 2h mastery and empowering as I use a gs/hammer in wvw. But swap out 2h mastery for superior aria for dungeons.

Valor: purity, retributive armor, ah

This build is very flexible. Sometimes I go monks focus instead and swap to 0/15/30/20/5 for more gs pew pew in pvp.

Ynna.8769:

Mimmik.2651:

I guess I’m one of the few who love the Scepter as as it is. It is and always has been a mid-range weapon, which is where it shines. It only has 1200 range because in closed beta people cried and cried that melee wasn’t viable in WvW and Guardians couldn’t get kills in sieges without a longer range weapon. So they tacked on 300.

And people in beta were absolutely correct.
I’ve said this again and again: if Arenanet wants the Scepter to be used at mid-range, they should make it’s maximum range mid-range. If a weapon has 1200 range, I expect it to be useful at that range.

For once Ynna and I agree on something. They could just copy the mechanic of any other scepter 1 skill on any other class and people would be happy. Necro would be perfect. Scepter 1 could work exactly the same but apply a burning instead of bleeding, then we would have a weapon for those who would like to do condition damage. Bang problem solved.

pfft

Still no viable ranged weapon. Pretty sad Anet.

Not sure why people have to be so rude to one another. Its been a pretty close match. I am happy to see Yaks do well. It shows that with the 1 week transfers things are starting to balance out quite a bit and good matches are in store in the future. GL to everyone in the future.

Long term… you wait… I absolutely 100% guarantee that the infusion slots will be used for a stat like Resilience in PVP.

Let the grind begin…

Well for others. I have not played one enjoyable game with a Resilience-like stat. So once it comes I won’t be joining you all.

Tbh they should not be using tpvp for their buffing and nerfing. It is a very limited format. And its not even that popular. The bunker build played there is seldom used anywhere else. Ruining all our defensive capabilities over this unpopular game mode would seem pretty silly.

WvW is much more popular and in that play mode Guardian is very balanced. His defences are just enough to hold him up under a bit of focus fire, but not forever. If he can buy 10 or 15 seconds for his teammates he has done well. If he can’t take a bit of focus fire, he is useless.

1. Retaliation will be taken off some traits and passive skills. Made to be a skill you have to fire off. Maybe tied solely to the hammer, mace and gs symbols.
2. Scepter 1 will be improved.
3. Some of the traits in the zeal line become merged and improved.
4. Spirit Weapons start hitting moving targets, getting a buff from a ranger fix. One of their traits get merged so there is some flexibility if you spec them.
5. Spirit Weapons the bow follows the guardian around and actually starts doing something.

Coming originally from a DnD background it seems like a Paladin to me.

Small self healing, magical defenses, magical boosts to offense…

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQNAR5elYgKCHHSNEfIFRuA7DEEThGz41DIKxGC

Since you want to use gs/mace-sh.

This is a nice all round build. It uses Monks Focus instead of Altruistic Healing, but you could run AH if you were going to run Mace a lot.

They may boost up Zeal tomorrow and its all moot.

The only trait points that are a must are 2h Mastery and either Monk’s Focus or AH. The rest you could tweak as you desire.

RamzaBehoulve.5640:

Relentliss.2170:

I really don’t see how a dot that damages you just for not having the right gear is actually adding any fun or challenge. It’s just a poor compensation for a poor dungeon design team. They really should hire a few guys off Rift to come and fix their dungeons. Its the one thing that game did do well.

Welcome gear treadmill’ like it or not.

What they are doing is exactly what Rift does or did you already forget Rift has two PvE only statistics specifically designed for PvE progression? That if you don’t have cap or near cap values, you are not doing damage or dieing in 2 hits?

Rifts many stat checks was one of the worst tnings about the game.

My point on Rift was only that the team was able to make some good dungeons with memorable boss encounters. It had nothing to do with their gear progression.

I really don’t see how a dot that damages you just for not having the right gear is actually adding any fun or challenge. It’s just a poor compensation for a poor dungeon design team. They really should hire a few guys off Rift to come and fix their dungeons. Its the one thing that game did do well.

Welcome gear treadmill’ like it or not.

Warrior has 2 excellent ranged weapons. We have none. If you WvW this might be a big consideration.

Warriors can spec to do lots of things really well. Buffs needed? Banners give nice buffs and so do shouts. Healing? Shouts can heal. CC? Weapons have many CC effects and they have a nice fear as a class skill too. The Hammer alone has 4 CC skills. Damage? Let me count the ways. Just roll your face across the keyboard. Defense? Endure Pain and a decent set of shield skills. Not to mention the most health in the game.

Don’t sell the warrior short. He is very flexible.

Both classes are good.

bourrain.2034:

Instead of talking about the DAoC system, can you explain it at least? …

Yeah you hide in a zerg for months and months hoping no one kills you. Eventually you get enough rank to buy a class defining skill so you can actually enjoy the game. Did I miss anything?

106 pages

Largely negative. The message is clear Anet.

We don’t want this sort of progression.

GW1 existed for years without this sort of progression.

This new level of gear represents a change in philosophy from what was in the Manifesto to being WoW Junior.

As a customer it was not what I was promised.

Prince.3682:

Yes they do, even in the few streams I watch it’s talked about openly. And I for one play free tournaments and paids as much as I can and I don’t find glass certain thief builds to be balanced. Manageable, yes, but its not balanced compared to other classes.

This is exactly how I feel. Thieves are managable but hardly balanced. Particularly in Spvp and WvW.

Nemo.6295:

I’m gonna repeat what I thold some peope moaning about this in LA yesterday:

Are you honestly complaining about new content?

I get it that you are upset about changing your pants or whatever, but the stat increase is minor, meaning you don’t have to put yourself through what you call a “HELL” and what the rest call playing an MMO cause this is an MMO, right?

Grind is not content.

The big issue is it represents a change in basic philosophy, which if it continues means this game will be WOW jr. Most people are playing this game because they do not like WOW.

I suggest full knights with p/v/t chest and legs. Slot with soldier runes and, if you really must, slot your emerald jewellery with beserkers jewels.

Beserker gs and hammer. Knights/valk main/off hand weapons. Healing on your staff.

I use the 0/0/30/30/10 in wvw mainly for shortening the cd on wall of reflection.

Altie.4571:

As an avid CD World defender…

CD made a tactical decision to fight TC because we see them as the strongest server in this group. YB was not aware of that because they thought from two weeks ago that we are their main rival.

This has been a pretty even fight. Now that the server rankings are evening out the 3 way fight leads to much more balanced fights.

I think it may have seemed like we were double teaming CD because one of our most competent commanders ended up on your borderlands at the start of the match. The other two borderlands were full. It’s all perception.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

In all seriousness, if you build a “glass cannon” guardian you will still have better survivability than a “tanky” thief and better DPS than a glass cannon thief.

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In this game and most others Mobility=Survivability, in which Thieves have in abundance. While that does figure in on anyone’s excel tables like health and toughness, being able to go inv when they want, run faster than everyone else and blink around, not to mention healing while invisible, equals a heck of a lot more survivability than 3k armor and some mild regeneration.

mulch.2586:

Relentliss.2170:

I think the fact I have enough Karma to buy a full set of Karma gear and only 1 piece of badge gear says there is an imbalance.

I don’t think it is.
Consider if you’d farmed that karma in Orr. You’d have that gear and some 400-lvl crafting mats.

Consider if you’d farmed that karma in lower zones. You’d just have the karma gear.

Consider if you got all the karma in wvw. You’d have that gear, and badges.

So the badges gear isn’t supposed to be your main source of gear, but rather a supplemental perk, sorta like crafting is for Orr farmers.

I haven’t done anything but WvW. I’ve earned enough karma from it to buy an entire set of gear, but only enough badges for only one piece. Seems a bit odd considering there is nothing special about this gear at all. That seems that the prices of this gear is a bit off.

The problem as stated by the OP quite accurately, is that by giving some classes such small health pools they then must buy survivability, thus limiting their class options. Suddenly, I have to put half my traits an d most of my gear into defense, just to survive adequately. By that stage I might as well make a bunker, as I can’t trait enough dps to do that effectively.

With my Warrior I mainly spec damage and I still have survivability. With my Guardian I can’t do that, I need to put over half my resources into defense or I drop like a fly.