Guild Wars 2

Cheers guys.

Doop.

So long as you can get your interrupt, you can get your healing (no icd).

Final Boss.8316:

Waaaaaaaaa Mesmer got nerfed so i gotta cry on the forums its the kittening end of the world no mesmer is fine they are already overpowered as is and this nerf is justified cuz now they can’t bang their head on the keyboard and instagib a person with full hp.

Mesmer is far from OP.

“I get rolled by mesmers” is not a justifiable argument to prove your point XD

Dawdler.8521:

9 out of 10 chronomancer says bunkering scrappers are nice*

*8 out of 10 chronomancers may or may not be clones

But condi chronomancer meta build is OP. 9 out of 10 PvP forum threads say so!!!

In the past it was troublesome enough. Now with Hot, projectiles have a hundred more blocks to deal with, a thousand more reflects, and a million more invuln frames to overcome.

How.. the… kitten XD

Can someone explain how you do the thing with Rush where you alter the direction mid rush?

Ananeos.4587:

Curunen.8729:

But it’s the same with every class – just how it goes at the moment, we can’t expect much from the small patches in between the quarterly patches.

At least this is inconsequential for anyone who doesn’t use Moa (I personally rarely if ever use moa).

No other class has ever had multiple 50% nerfs in a row.

Technically the moa nerf was a 40% nerf.

I’m helpful!

Scott Sterling: inspiration for Scrapper design.

Since these changes would come at the cost of the healing, wouldnt that just make these traits mandatory since there’s no general option?

Unterkiefer.8372:

Saying this again, since it seems you want to tell us over and over again: Then don’t play the meta build if you don’t want to Alex! All this “I don’t play a class, because one build is to strong/doesn’t fit my playstyle”-garbage is just wrong. Play other builds and get to know the class.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

Alex Shatter.7956:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Fay.2357:

Alex Shatter.7956:

Fay.2357:

Varezenem.2813:

Fay.2357:

Varezenem.2813:

Simonoly.4352:

Can’t tell if satire. Need more sleep.

It’s probably not a satire. Condi mes and bunker mes are highly unpopular with people pretending to be long time mesmer mains

Fixed that for you. 620 hours is a long time Mesmer main? Don’t make me laugh. Come back when you’ve cracked 3k and we’ll talk.

Didn’t say that he was a long time Mesmer main. (I’ve been rev main for longer than that.)

But AFAIK they want power shatter back over the “skilless” condi Mesmer.

You have 2 types of people complaining about condie Mesmer.

Type 1 is bads that have complained about condie Mesmer for years, even when it was awful. No matter how badly it gets nerfed, they’ll still be whining about it. This is the vast majority of complainers.

Type 2 is mesmers that have put on their rose colored glasses for reminiscing about the good old days when power shatter was used instead of condie shatter. However, they conveniently forget that power shatter was still garbage tier, played only by Helseth because he’s too stubborn to do anything else. This is a small minority though, because most mesmers aren’t so insanely myopic.

That’s the point. Everything should be garbage tier. That’s how you achieve balance. The meta was better back then because people played garbage builds and it was chill. Not ideal, but it was feasible.

Yeah, you’re totally wrong. Mesmer had nothing but garbage builds. Other classes had great builds. Your 620 hours of experience are clearly not even remotely enough to understand what the class needs and what it should be.

See, I’d compare your 620 hours vs any mesmer main with 4000+ hours who’ve pretty much played Mesmer exclusively, trying all the various builds that’ve come along aswell as theory crafting their own, combating all the shifting metas, following all the nerfs, buffs, QoL issues etc, over the entire course of the game since release (not to mention those who’ve come right through from the pre release betas).

So yah, I don’t know when you got your 620 hours in, but you certainly lack a full scope which is evident purely on the things you say.

Im sure it sucks for you to be stuck in that position as there’s really not a lot you can do about it (except perhaps study history, and take note from those who were there). That said, don’t be surprised when people disagree with you when they’re in a far more authoritative position to do so XD

You think MY position sucks? That a bunch of people with 4000 kittening hours on one profession on one video game disagree with me that their profession needs to be nerfed? What a surprise. I think if you stepped out of mesmer land for a breath of fresh air, you’ll find that I’m on the more lenient, understanding and knowledgeble side of the mesmer “haters”.

I’m just saying, it’d be nice if you were anywhere within the vicinity of mesmer land.

It’s like you’re trying to give a history lesson on a country you’ve never even heard of XD

So after my little break (to come back super cazu) I’ve been reviewing the state of the class. It got me to wondering what others take is. Primarily around builds, roles, viability, diversity, in pvp settings (all honest people know pve is irrelevant XD ) in context with the other classes/rest of the game.

Incredible State? < —-——— > Super Sayian Sad State?

Fay.2357:

Alex Shatter.7956:

Fay.2357:

Varezenem.2813:

Fay.2357:

Varezenem.2813:

Simonoly.4352:

Can’t tell if satire. Need more sleep.

It’s probably not a satire. Condi mes and bunker mes are highly unpopular with people pretending to be long time mesmer mains

Fixed that for you. 620 hours is a long time Mesmer main? Don’t make me laugh. Come back when you’ve cracked 3k and we’ll talk.

Didn’t say that he was a long time Mesmer main. (I’ve been rev main for longer than that.)

But AFAIK they want power shatter back over the “skilless” condi Mesmer.

You have 2 types of people complaining about condie Mesmer.

Type 1 is bads that have complained about condie Mesmer for years, even when it was awful. No matter how badly it gets nerfed, they’ll still be whining about it. This is the vast majority of complainers.

Type 2 is mesmers that have put on their rose colored glasses for reminiscing about the good old days when power shatter was used instead of condie shatter. However, they conveniently forget that power shatter was still garbage tier, played only by Helseth because he’s too stubborn to do anything else. This is a small minority though, because most mesmers aren’t so insanely myopic.

That’s the point. Everything should be garbage tier. That’s how you achieve balance. The meta was better back then because people played garbage builds and it was chill. Not ideal, but it was feasible.

Yeah, you’re totally wrong. Mesmer had nothing but garbage builds. Other classes had great builds. Your 620 hours of experience are clearly not even remotely enough to understand what the class needs and what it should be.

See, I’d compare your 620 hours vs any mesmer main with 4000+ hours who’ve pretty much played Mesmer exclusively, trying all the various builds that’ve come along aswell as theory crafting their own, combating all the shifting metas, following all the nerfs, buffs, QoL issues etc, over the entire course of the game since release (not to mention those who’ve come right through from the pre release betas).

So yah, I don’t know when you got your 620 hours in, but you certainly lack a full scope which is evident purely on the things you say.

Im sure it sucks for you to be stuck in that position as there’s really not a lot you can do about it (except perhaps study history, and take note from those who were there). That said, don’t be surprised when people disagree with you when they’re in a far more authoritative position to do so XD

So since I have 4k hours on mes, I can just say you’re wrong and should be ignored, and there’s nothing you can bring to argue the point.

Sweet, that was easy XD

Funnily enough Moa has now been heavily nerfed and condi’s HAVE been cut in half XD

Current condi chrono meta build doesnt have stealth. If they do take stealth (decoy) it’s a single instance.

To counter mes kit, ranged weapons do the trick. Mes is weak to ranged pressure, especially if you’re +1’ing.

To answer your question though, you’ll need the specific build. You could be talking about anything.

Cynz.9437:

Waang.6803, TripleGt.7501, Topher.5631, twhite.9310, Ross Biddle.2367 why don’t you all form a team with OP :P

Cause he’s looking for a pro league team, not the Harlem Globetrotters of GW2.

No stun break? You’re going to get locked down and hit hard. The stability will take you some of the way (stopping some of that incoming warrior hate you’ll inevitably receive) but it won’t replace stun breaks.

I’m going to be honest, I’m working on something atm that I’d like to get off the ground. While this is different there are similarities to my initial workings. It wasn’t pretty in practice.

Maybe I’m not looking at it right though. Is it a mid point, team fighting defender? If so then maybe that’s what holds it up, fighting alongside others. What happens if a necro is there to boon rip?

I guess I just wonder how you’d stand up to a 4s headbutt stun into a GS power burst while the rest of the enemy team focuses you to boot XD

Pro thief, took me to dinner, real gentleman. Stole my wallet. Top notch!

GinghamLion.3614:

Ross Biddle.2367:

While these are basic mechanics in PvP, the things people need to learn about are things like-

• Know your role
• Fight on point (or dont fight off point)
• Rotate properly
• Know when to disengage

You can’t really incorporate these things into an in-game tutorial because all of these concepts are a product of an established meta game.

And yet without these things…

A sound video editor with a grounded knowledge of how the game plays could easily create a short in game vid to quickly explain basic concepts.

The self stun balances it out to keep the CD super low low, which is brilliant. War isnt short on stun breaks/stability anyway. I run para sigil on my GS to bring the stun up to 4s.

It’s an amazing skill. One of the best in the game.

While these are basic mechanics in PvP, the things people need to learn about are things like-

• Know your role
• Fight on point (or dont fight off point)
• Rotate properly
• Know when to disengage

Pretty much a brief vid or series of vignettes explaining the basic things to keep in mind that lead to a competitive game of conquest.

A basic introductory strategy guide “Take home and mid, defend, rotate when necessary” is all that’s needed to go a looooooong way to putting PvP’rs on the right track.

Ellie.5913:

Ross Biddle.2367:

If you click skills with your mouse (and thus are also looking at your skill bar) you’re doomed.

Propper keybinds are a must. That or invest in an MMO mouse (like a razer naga) and play until you have the muscle memory to hit the right buttons with your thumb etc.

If you are familiar, running a sound build is a must. Knowing your class and what each skill does is a must. Then knowing when/how to engage/disengage is a must.

Pretty much you need to be a pro if you want to succeed XD That or just play a mindless spammy class/spec that’ll hold you up while you get more comfortable with the general flow of incoming kitten flying your way.

When you break it down and look at it like this, you’re probably screwed.

Naa I disagree man, I pretty much smash my keyboard with my face on this game and kill things, I don’t think it’s hard at all but it is VERY different from other games skills so if you’re not used to it you should keep your distance from the enemy and shoot at em from far away and bring defensive skills too cuz you can get 1 shotted on here very easily if you’re not careful. Also never go anywhere alone ALWAYS bring back up if you can that’s very helpful since a lota people like to zerg you on here. That’s why rangers good if no 1 wants to help you at least you have your pet.

I’m sure if I knew what class/s you main/play this would make perfect sense. Since with certain classes a face smash approach wouldn’t.

I did look through your post history, but the only thing there is four pages of chatter about sexy armor XD

I agree, auras are annoying. Just remove them so the OP doesn’t have to look at the ugly new visuals anymore.

What’s the #1 thing that leads to a loss in unranked given two teams of pugs?

I’m going to throw out Team Comp. The well rounded team destroys the multi class stacked team almost every time.

Fisticuffs!

If you click skills with your mouse (and thus are also looking at your skill bar) you’re doomed.

Propper keybinds are a must. That or invest in an MMO mouse (like a razer naga) and play until you have the muscle memory to hit the right buttons with your thumb etc.

If you are familiar, running a sound build is a must. Knowing your class and what each skill does is a must. Then knowing when/how to engage/disengage is a must.

Pretty much you need to be a pro if you want to succeed XD That or just play a mindless spammy class/spec that’ll hold you up while you get more comfortable with the general flow of incoming kitten flying your way.

When you break it down and look at it like this, you’re probably screwed.

Fay is right.

I know how some people loathe to hear that XD

Truth hurts sometimes.

RaGe.9834:

I played a 10 minute match on warrior earlier today, at the higher levels it basically just becomes 10 minutes of pinball i would give my left nut to be a as low a level in the player base as you lol

Pinballs are made to smash into things by design.

If you’re still playing War like it’s two years ago, you deserved to get rekt.

Could it just be that ele has so much junk crammed into its weapon skill/atunements that the utilities are next to unnecessary anyway XD

That and guard have such nice class skills choking up their f-bar XD

Varezenem.2813:

Ross Biddle.2367:

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

If you look at the right hand defeat log, it seems the dragon hunter is more responsible for the mesmer defeat. They have been credited with dispatching the rev and mesmer. That display only lasts for a 10 seconds after a stomp/or cleave out. So it seems in image 2 all you have shown us is you stomping a mesmer clone as the drgaonhunter finished off the rev and chrono in a single go.

I love how the basis of your argument is that, from a still frame, you can’t really tell what happened. Then from the exact same still frame you create a story about what happened (only in the light you want it to be told) XD

If I remember rightly, after defeating the chrono (its a hundred blades finish, not a stomp btw in the first image), I’d 2v1’d thier war/ele and the chrono had come back to point to which I was waiting solo. The guard did come in and tbh I can’t recall what he was doing in the grand scheme. The Chrono had kited around, avoiding direct engagement, then jumped on the point. At which point I pressured with some heavy CC/burst youknowthedrill countering whatever blocks/blaa/blaa etc and the rest is history.

Oh and I’ve been using the Valkserker build setup but changed over to the Demolisher ammy currently.

Anyway, fun thread XD

Your valkserker build seems to be a very specialized anti-mesmer build can’t deny that I had fun.

It was designed in S1 during the bunker meta to be a bunker buster. With the new regen and sustain on war you can forgo the extra HP from valk for a harder hitting ammy. I like to run double might Sig, especially with the changes to rifle.

Luvok.5697:

Great fights, good video.

What build do you use?

Looks like Chaos/Inspiration/Chrono.

If you havent played in a while it really shows.

Smash those skills out of range! XD

skcamow.3527:

Dahkeus.8243:

Levetty.1279:

Moa nerf idea number 2, change it into Engies version of Moa, watch as people still say its OP but don’t mention the engie skill.

Honestly, if mesmer moa worked like engi moa, it would be fine. The duration of mesmer moa makes a huge difference. Engi moa is more of a simple counter to transform skills (lich, rampage, etc.), but the short duration makes it more like a stun in terms of actual CC.

Everyone thought engi moa would be ridiculously OP when they first heard about it, but since it’s been released and people have seen what a difference it is, there’s not really much complaint about it.

No, mesmer moa should be at least double what elixir X does, otherwise it’s a worthless elite (it’s an elite after all).

I’ve been spouting these changes to my peeps for awhile now, but increase visual animation a bit, because let’s face it, it’s VERY difficult to see it in a chaotic team fight, decrease CD (to better balance core spec) and decrease duration of moa to 6 or 7 seconds and I think it’d be fine. Most people complain the most about the last 3-4 seconds of the current transform duration anyway.

You could go further to change some of the moa specific skills to polish it off if need be, but all this talk of nerfing ability of elites working with CS is rubbish.

I don’t know if this is just me, but there’s something about the animation that always makes me think it’s going to take a little longer than it does. So I’ll see it but something in my head tells me to dodge a moment later than I need to XD

It’s a 1s channel, but I always think it’s going to take at least 1 1/4. Don’t know why that is.

Oh, and confusion is hardly a mesmer only condition.

Yes, and introduce the 50% increase to confusion proc damage to PvP.

When I get loaded with confusion I easily counter by ceasing to use skills. But that passive proc can’t be helped

XD

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

If you look at the right hand defeat log, it seems the dragon hunter is more responsible for the mesmer defeat. They have been credited with dispatching the rev and mesmer. That display only lasts for a 10 seconds after a stomp/or cleave out. So it seems in image 2 all you have shown us is you stomping a mesmer clone as the drgaonhunter finished off the rev and chrono in a single go.

I love how the basis of your argument is that, from a still frame, you can’t really tell what happened. Then from the exact same still frame you create a story about what happened (only in the light you want it to be told) XD

If I remember rightly, after defeating the chrono (its a hundred blades finish, not a stomp btw in the first image), I’d 2v1’d thier war/ele and the chrono had come back to point to which I was waiting solo. The guard did come in and tbh I can’t recall what he was doing in the grand scheme. The Chrono had kited around, avoiding direct engagement, then jumped on the point. At which point I pressured with some heavy CC/burst youknowthedrill countering whatever blocks/blaa/blaa etc and the rest is history.

Oh and I’ve been using the Valkserker build setup but changed over to the Demolisher ammy currently.

Anyway, fun thread XD

Ananeos.4587:

It’s not that Moa is not balanced for the current game, its the current game isn’t balanced around Moa. Why do you think a mesmer can’t kill you when you’re in moa form? Nerf the damage creep, the cc lock and the condi spam from every other class, and then we will talk to see if moa is as “instakilling” as you say it is.

To put this another way: We should be concerned when the answer to the concern of an increase in power creep is so dire that people are suggesting a dramatic increase in power to the Moa form XD

Complain about power creep → Suggest power creep to Moa XD

How did they miss that? XD

Tripple XD XD XD

lighter.2708:

messiah.1908:

take warrior with 24 sec resistance and 880 health gain per second and than we talk…

tell me you can’t interrupt healing signet with 1sec+ cast time..please

Technically it can be cast from beneath stability, or at range/before the chrono has clones up since he has no good ranged CC (shattered clone or slow mid ranged shield stun are as good as it gets). Chaos storm if you want to chance a daze proc, unless they’re running scepter/OH sword which would be the best bet. But of course, stability/stun break, and failing that recast when the interrupt CD is off XD

Silhouette.5631:

One more thing- you get out of moa unscathed half the time. REALLY? So your telling me that elite thats on a 180s CD is useless 1/2 the time? Jeez maybe we should give it instant cast and have it last 20 seconds :O

Actually it’d be a safe bet that the survival rate of all Moa attempt is well above 50% (from the moment of every cast whether or not it succeeds to the end of the transform if it does).

It’d actually be really cool to see some stats on this XD

It’d also be cool to compare those stats vs a properly used Gravity well, single or double,

Silhouette.5631:

Dear Ross,

OBJECTION!

Every skill is meant to be game changing. No skill is meant to be instant game winning

If moa was supposed be an instant win it would simply be called “Kill enemy”

The INTENTION of Moa is to turn the person into a chicken for a few seconds so that they really cant do anything. Before the current bursty meta it was a more whimsical skill. You’d get turned into a chicken, dodge a couple times, maybe take a fireball in the tail feathers and then untransform and try to regain your lost ground.
This skill was created before all this CC, before pure zerker stats, and before all this power creep. It’s intention was not for you to die as a chicken but to maddly scramble around as one, that’s why 4 out of its 5 skills cause damage, because it wasn’t suicide to fight with the person while moa’d

Accept that the game has changed and needs balancing, Discuss it, -Play to have fun-, and please retort with something that isn’t an idealistic one liner with no actual argumentative point to it.

You make a fair point. The solution is pretty obvious. Nerf the CC and damage of those classes with the insane power creep (it’s not the chrono’s cc/dps in this case XD ).

That said, survival rates while Moa’d back then as per now seem about the same, given relative class/build, and relevant level of team communication/coordination.

So uh, in conclusion, I’m not really confident buffing the Moa form is the correct form of action.

Though if you would like to add a “lazer” to its head, that’d still be “frickin” awesome.

Jekkt.6045:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

messiah.1908:

take warrior with 24 sec resistance and 880 health gain per second and than we talk…

can’t the Mesmer just strip the resistance in <2s and then just burst the warrior into oblivion? or are we talking a legendary tier warrior vs an amber Mesmer? If that’s the case then I give it a 50/50 chance.

not with the meta build. but you can just block and kite or go invul or moa or stun… it’s not like the mesmer can’t do anything when resistance is up.

Ranged > Kiting
Unblockables > Blocks
Stability/Stunbreaks > Stuns
Interrupts > Moa

But that does leave the invulns, though those do allow point decap. Can also double up invuln to cover the Moa. Though Moa can also be dodged XD

style.6173:

What is the point of this thread?

So you killed the same person twice. Are you looking for a congrats? Is it your first two kills ever and are proud? Are you trying to make a point?

Be more specific.

I love how much you’re freaking out right now XD

Jace al Thor.6745:

StickerHappy.8052:

Here is the major flaw of this post:

No offense, but your MMR experience skews your whole perspective. You have never fought really good mesmers/ Tourney quality ones.

You uh… Mean the same quality players that get busted for cheating… Right?

Ross is poking fun and you get all serious goodness.

Stickers is a passionate guy, it’s in his blood

And while Stickers isnt wrong that I haven’t spent a lot of time dueling the 3-4 Torney Mesmers in this game, it’s also disengenious to assume they’re elevated beyond the level many other mesmers have reached who’ve never entered a Torny. That said, I can say that these mesmers experience working within a 5 man team comp, on comms, to succeed in a conquest game mode while playing other teams with a similar setup attempting to do the same thing does exceed my experience. I mean, I wish I could have 4 other guys there to prop me and my builds up all the time, but I don’t

Nihevil.8024:

What is this? Bait? Probably.

Just having a laugh XD

And I am a Mesmer player. That said I’m not defending anything. I’m taking a pop shot at scrubs

I take pleasure in dominating my own class (every true mesmer does). Double for doing it on the kittenty war.

If you, reader, can’t do this, you’re going about it all wrong XD

Chase.2798:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Chase.2798:

I think if you gave moa a lil more toughness and some more health and possibly a stun break moa would be closer to where it was pre-hot…

So, unused.

XD

So its not an insta-kill now which it should be with any descent team in a team fight
Edit: notice i said closer and not the same too btw

It’s not insta kill now. So it’d be even less insta kill with boons, stabos, stun breaks etc. Thus..

Unused.

Chase.2798:

I think if you gave moa a lil more toughness and some more health and possibly a stun break moa would be closer to where it was pre-hot…

So, unused.

XD

I’m interested.

Chase.2798:

StickerHappy.8052:

Chase.2798:

StickerHappy.8052:

Sardath.8524:

StickerHappy.8052:

how is even dazing traps on par with cripple traps? lol.

0.5 sec daze is barely noticeable. Added to this, you can dodgeroll out of them very easy. I won’t take into account Dragon’s Maw, because ranger doesn’t have an elite trap.
Spike trap does more CC with knockdown + cripple and you can’t dodge it. Flame trap doesn’t have CC(besides cripple), but with 12 seconds cooldown it does a kittenload of damage. Combine it with the plentiful immob that druid has and it really shines.

If ranger had any proper sustain on his weapons(besides dancing around with sword/dagger), trapper druid would be truly cancerous.

0.5, 0.1, 0.3 daze is still a daze, still a CC very useful in cleaving, interrupting, etc.

Spike trap is 1 shot trap, evade it and it does nothing on a 45 second CD.

Also, ranger traps do not grant boons.

Also, ranger traps do not have a stun breaker either.

The traps are set up for 2 different play styles…its unrealistic to compare them especially beimg they are on 2 classes that have completely different game mechanics, weapon skills, and traitlines

Yes they are different, I agree.

But having a stun breaker trap will also be good for ranger, its a matter of build diversity.

Thats true… especially with the cc creep stun breakers are more mandatory then ever before

Incidentally, things like Lockdown mes are out because of the amount of stun breaks and stability procs from elite specs XD

Chase.2798:

Outsider.6051:

Chase.2798:

Outsider.6051:

Chase.2798:

Hlord.5940:

Chase.2798:

Hlord.5940:

Booms.3952:

Hlord.5940:

Devitz.2136:

“and it ignores the fact that mes has trash damage in team fight also is countered by war , condi necro , and DH even DD could beat a condi mes on its own .”

“core necro ,power reaper seems better now "

You are a real clown, a guy who should be banned from the forums because of the amount of bs you’re spreading. Or is it just some kind of a social experiment? Just checking how people react to your insane babble?
Teams would run at least 3 mesmers with maybe 2 revs or 1rev/ele just to add sth else than condi dmg if they could and I’m sure of it. Simply because moa counters everything, mes survi is great and you cover all the points with portals.

You simply have no clue about what you’re writing.

And for gods sake learn to use all the punctation marks or simply disappear until you learn sth about this game.

“3 mes and 2 rev” This got me interested, do tell when and where a team run 3 mes? before the recent update? before the no stacking rule? ESL?

no he’s probably right. “if they could” he said btw.
but yeah if there was no class stackign rule I’d expect 3 mes 1 rev 1 ele/druid tbh. Maybe -1 mes for another ele/druid.

Well they could before the no stacking rule but i’ve never seen any team taking mesmer, let alone staking 2 mesmer in their team, before the staking rule come in mesmer got alacrity nerf by 50% and their so call chrono bunker got guts, so I wonder when does these 3 mes, 1 rev and 1 ele/druid come in

You’ve never seen a team with a mesmer?every game in both seasons has had at least 1 mesmer and usually 2, and in season 1 most had 4 in each game 2 for each team

If possible could you give me a link to them? Especially the last two season

Just go to youtube and watch a few matchups…especially season1

I don’t follow the pro pvp scene that firmly, all the animations give me headaches. I remember one site posting stats across the board on compositions, class usage, etc. etc.

Not sure if this will be relevant, EU league stats from 5 months ago:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/EU-Pro-League-Meta/first

I believe that is only from the first match so it was before the meta really formed around bunker mesmer

Yeah, I was looking for the post/site that went out when people got wind of bunker mes and viper rev.

Season 1 comp that 80% of pro teams were using was 2x mes, 2x rev, and ele. In season 2 it differed a little more with the core being necro, ele, rev, with the other two spots filled with mes, engi, or ramger…all teams but 1 (i believe it was purple noise) ran mes with the big difference in most teams being ranger or engi

Case in point about 2x Bunker Chrono in S1, the Bunker setup allowed mes to hold a point without use of F4 or CS (resulting in point decap). It worked.

Current chrono relies heavily on both F4 (repeated use) and CS. As a strategy you could literally run onto the point, pressure the chrono into decap, run off to reset, and rinse repeat while he’s locked down constantly recapping.

The level of QQ directly correlates to the level of ignorance of the class XD

By its very nature and design, Moa is a game changing skill.

If you get Moa’d expect to have the game not go your way.

In otherwords: Expect to disengage/give up the fight, or expect to die.

This is the intention of Moa.

Accept that. Play to win.