Guild Wars 2

to Vain.

flame ur hat ur ideas flame more leave my time warp alone they already ruined my moa flame some more take portal i dont use it anyway additional flame.

mt

wc (thought i was thinking)

but really i like SOTG anything that can possibly make this game better im interested in, u guys did great. i wanted to see you tell java he was wrong more just because but other then that you stated your opinion and u were the only one in the NA SOTG so im glad you talked the most.

next time java disagrees with you tell him to take it to fofire.

to hailseth
great hair hailseth i agree with pretty ppl nomatter what u said really. i think at one point u said something about nerfing mesmers so you can make a thief i was about to disagree but your beauty make me agree with u.

to java
wait if he doesnt play the game does he read these forums?
anyways glad u participated i hope after that you remembered how great GW2 was and you reunite PZ. if you stop raging at teammates and just have fun you guys will do great and the whole community does really want you guys back even if we troll sometimes its all in good fun bro.

its a beautiful morning i wake up check the leader boards and guess what FANS

im still number 3 in the world.

it a fabulous thing to know that i accomplished so much with the help of so many.

all these replies makes me fell like justin timberlake. imma have to hire some security now that i know some of my fans are a little psycho.

Zevier.6375:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

Sprawl.3891:

its kinda funny sataar was like barely top 50 first few weeks paids were live, then everyone quit now he top 5

i had 33 QP when pz had 50 what are you talking about. we would have had more but silare and (AIM) never did any exploits so im fine with were i was since it was all legit

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not quite..you were barely on the leaderboard but since PZ, PTC, AC, life, paradigm.na, fire, LR, DWi have all quit NA gw2 is a pub stomping joke. I guess persistence pays off.

I guess being 3rd best player NA comes with fans ty ANET. i cant wait until im the second best player in the game.

Sprawl.3891:

its kinda funny sataar was like barely top 50 first few weeks paids were live, then everyone quit now he top 5

i had 33 QP when pz had 50 what are you talking about. we would have had more but silare and (AIM) never did any exploits so im fine with were i was since it was all legit

nerva.7940:

exploit can no longer be done. might stack nerf was needed. u can still get 6-9 stacks, which is generous. id nerf shatter kitten into the ground personally because they have the lowest skillcap in the game and are still the best duelists. i wouldnt complain if i were you.

im very confused at your knowledge and understanding of this game or on what your outlook on skill consists of. im very skilled im rank 3 na bro

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Leaderboards-for-Qualifying-Points/first#post1131163

i would like to think everyone who has helped me on this journey

Q who (that is his name) best necro NA (probably the world)

“Thank you Kryshade for talking me into playing this game when I had absolutely zero interest in it until you pressured me into playing. I love you forever even if you haven’t been able to play in like a month, but as soon as you come back I’m kicking out someone so you can play with us again”

my 100b warrior since day 3 of the game

my staff ele (when i used to like him)

silare (hes gone now but i await his return)

that french guy for easy wins (when hes on my team and the other team)

Skovos.6509 my new D/D tag team roaming partner aka best player NA AKA the D/D originator.

Davinchi my new go all out or sat will yell at me never scared Guard

i forgot our rangers name he hasnt played in 1 week but when he was here we lost only 1 game in 1 week so him also.

edit i want to think ZZYZX for teaching me to be nice. (i used to win everygame but decided to learn to throw some games to give ppl confidence) thank u ZZYZX for never quitting (like others when they lose) u may have not earned those wins but u sure did deserve them bro.

edit. Raytek for reading and replying to all my forum posts

and thank you to ANVILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL ROCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK for inspiring me to play this game hard mode style.

to ANET forum mods for only infracting me but not suspending me ty (i do notice the warnings and i try to be better)

i read on a post Johnathon is out until Monday so we will see if we get a response then.

Levetty.1279:

Pretty funny thread.

1) Can’t be bothered to learn how to play the game but calls other people bads.

2) Praises Anet for the patch even though it is just a poorly thought out band aid and shows once again that they can’t fix the bugs in their own coding.

3) Mesmers are now the only class that has to have los/not blinded/not get dodged/etc to be able to summon its pets and now we are the only class to have GCDs on their reactionary skills (F3 and 4 just became useless if you like to use F1 or 2). Yep balanced alright.

i have only played mesmer and i am 100% with what they have done to mesmer. i would rather this then hear ppl crying all day about nerf. we dont need a nerf we need a exploit fix and they did it.

ty anet you did the right thing.

i am fine with the change.

Hyxorcisten.5786:

I’m not a mesmer.

But as far as I know you can still use the far-range exploit aka shattering farrange then blink+shatter for a double one for free

i never used blink so i never heard of this one i hope its not true. if it is i hope it gets fixed.

for the record they did NOT nerf us they fixed an exploit that the bads were doing.

ty anet.
Mesmer
Shatter skills now share a global 0.25 second recharge, to prevent multiple shatter effects triggering on the same illusion.
Shattered Strength: This trait now grants 1 stack of might per illusion shattered.

im sorry to all the exploiters. good luck.

ps ANET i hope u increased the duration of the boon after shattering.

ok leader bords got updated so ANET is back lets give them a day or 2 to read all this before they comment.

but if nothing changes then i guess i will just keep doing my part by helping make teams and rallying paid pops.

ok they didnt even update the leader bords so ANET must not be back from holiday yet.

Rerroll.9083:

Let’s do some math about the current paid tournament system. We will find out how terribad it is.

8 teams join a paid tournament. Each team is made of 5 people who spend 5 tickets each.
8 teams * 5 members * 5 tickets/member = 200 tickets spent.

- One team will end 1st. That’s 120 gems each. 120*5 = 600 gems
- One team will end 2nd. That’s 80 gems each. 80*5 = 400 gems.
- Two teams will end 3rd/4rth. That’s 20 gems each. 20*(5+5)=200 gems.

Total gems given as reward = 1200 gems + (low, random amount).

Conclusions:

- With 1200 gems a total of *100 tickets can be bought*
maths: 1200 gems/ 360 priceof30tickets = 3,33 stacks of 30. 3,33*30 = 100 tickets.

- 200 tickets were spent to join a tournament, and only 100 were returned back. Also, a 83,3% of the tickets are given to the top/most experienced teams. The other teams are left with 16,7 tickets and that means 0,556 tickets per player.
(considering top teams the ones getting 1st and 2nd positions)

- Only 2 teams out of 8 can play paid tournaments continously. That means the 6 worse teams will have to farm 4 (2 teams) or 5 (6 teams) free tournaments to play a single paid. The average is 4,75 free tournaments to farm.

Considering each free tournament takes 45 minutes, and considering you win 100% of free tournaments (which is not mathematically true) we can calculate the amount of time an average team has to spend to play 1 paid tournament.
4,75*45 minutes = 213,75 minutes = 3,56 hours. Since i didnt count the daily ticket (yay!) we could say the time spent is from 3 to 3,5 hours.

- 75% of the teams (6/8) have to farm 3 hours to play a single paid tournament. Also, 4/8 of them (50%) can only play a single round. A single round takes 10-15 minutes.
That means 50% of the teams aiming competitive pvp in gw2 have to farm 3 hours to play 12,5 minutes of competitive pvp. Another 25% of teams (which are better) are rewarded with 25 minutes of competitive pvp every 3+ hours.

T1 teams = best teams
T2 teams = good teams
T3 teams = worst/new/50% teams

- T1 teams (that are already better) can practice paid tournaments 100% of their time.
- T2 teams (that win T3 teams but get farmed by T1) can practice paid tourments 13,8% of their time
- T3 teams (people wanting to start at competitive pvp) can practice 6,94% of their time.

—> T2 & T3 teams quit pvp or play free tournaments 86-93% of their time . Since free tournaments are pug stomping they will hardly get better.
—> T1 teams are getting better and better, while T2 and T3 teams improve very slowly
—> Only T1 teams queue paids. Since the gem rewards remain the same (even if the teams playing paid are really good), we have 3 new tiers: T1.1, T1.2, T1.3

AMAZING FACTS WE REALIZED
200 tickets are spent to join a tournament and only 100 are given back
83% of the prize is given to the top teams
Good, average & bad teams get 0,556 tickets per player
Only best teams can practice full time.
Good, average and bad teams can practice 6,94% or 13,8% of their time
Less people is encouraged to queue, but the amount of people to make a paid pop is quite high 8*5 = 40
If you have a life and decide to spend your money, you will have to pay 10€ for 800 gems. That’s 10€ for 66,6 tickets. Considering you an average team, you will get 0,5 tickets/paid tournament. Since you will play 13 tournaments with initial tickets you will gain 0,5*13=6,5 tickets, which means an extra game. You paid 10€ to play 13+1=14 tournaments, averaging 15-30 minutes of gameplay each tournament
—> you paid 10€ to play 210-420 minutes depending on your skill.
- To practice, a new team has two options:
*> play 10 hours for every hour a top one does. If a top teams plays 4 hours every day, a new team has to play 40 hours/day.
*> pay 10€ every 3,5 hours (if they are “bad”), pay 10€ every 7 hours (if they are “better”)

This awesome system we have makes queues longer, and that means T1, T2 and T3 teams can practice even less % of their time than was calculated.

What should be done:
a) delete paid tournaments system.
b) If 200 tickets are spent, 160+ should be returned to the players.
> This can be fixed by increasing the amount of gems or lowering the price of tickets. Also, remove the lottery no on enjoys RNG
- A system letting the 8 teams play 3 games as SAtaarcoeny suggested should be implemented. At least people will get to practice twice or three times more.

What will happen if this post is ignored and elo is implemented:
- New players can’t join the competitive pvp scene, only those that bought the game this summer can pvp at a high level.
- The number of veteran players will slowly decrease.
- Queues will become longer. Competitive pvp will slowly die.

perfect points anet shoud read this 5 times

Akumetsu.8591:

i definitely want them to read this. I’m really happy you are making an effort Sataarcoeny. I think if more top players start posting constructive ideas in the forums it will definitely help move this game forward. if you ever want to bounce ideas off just message me in game or here. they can ignore maybe one or 2 but if most of the top players start posting / agreeing with others they will probably be more inclined to actually implement the ideas.

yeah man ty.

i dont really think they are ignoring us i think it is more they are trying to deal with bugs and exploits ppl are using. then they have to work on balance. then they have to work on implemeanting the good stuff but if they are working to much on the first 2 things its hard to get to what we want.

Lixion.8457:

You think they’ll pay attention if we keep it at the top for awhile?

they already read it over the weekend they will discuss it when they get back in the office tomorrow. depending on the discussion they will have a dev reply to the post either

yes this is great ty sat for saving our idea we are happy we can keep tournaments.

at this time something like this would not be a viable time expence for our pvp team.

either way we will get a reply soon.

daydream.2938:

Right now the system protects the guilds at the top as it makes it difficult for new teams to pratice vs those already existing top teams.

Honestly if the barrier to entry came down (either more games per tourny) OR lessen the cost of tournies significantly would this change as things stand.

vain used to say it all the time in stream. "this game is so fast and for new ppl trying to catch up to us now is so hard, 2 weeks ago to now or 1 month ago to now the game has evolved so much and if your not making it evolve your in trouble.

so its more then just tickets holding new teams back its time in advanced games. 2-3 hours a night is not enough especially if u only get 30 min of that 3 hrs

EoNxBoNx.9213:

Something I forgot to mention. I don’t know if this would hurt, (mainly because I can’t do Paids) or not but maybe allow paids to be pugged, but you still have to pay for them of course. This would help the paid tournament queues slightly but diminish the gear they give.

My question is what do some of the players that actually DO paids feel about a change like this?

P.S This would of course be on top of the change SAtaarcoeny made.

i personally would never want paids to be pugged on the reg because we need that competition. there was one main team that liked beating new teams but would quit paid when the good teams got on. i dont fell that is acceptable for a competitive team.
if they let pugs in then the competitiveness would drop i think.

but great reply bro that is just my opinion.

Akumetsu.8591:

I really like this idea sataarcoeny This would help guilds like ENG a lot because right now, we just cant get in enough games vs people like you. So we can’t work on recovery strats. We either have a chance to win at the start if we win the initial fights, or we lose. We really want to improve but with the current state of things we run out of tickets before we can really hammer in lots of games to work out some kinks in our strategies. I feel that there are a lot of teams in the same spot we are in that frees are too easy but when we go into paids we will get destroyed by the very top teams.

tl dr: i don’t mind getting beaten by much better players, I just want a way to hammer my head into the wall enough times that I can break through it ,and start giving all of you guys really good games. Your idea would give me a way to do that

regrouping and after losing 2 points is just as important as being able to win the first fight. so yes more games would help your team get better at it i hope they implement this for that reason also. nice reply

2013 lets go guild wars time to hit eport

Kavia.8249:

I think this would help our newly formed team very much. Frees are not much of a challenge unless we find a like-minded team queuing them b/c paids aren’t popping yet, but it is really frustrating to lose on map 1 due to bad luck on the bracket set up.

We would love to practice the second and third map against competitive pre-formed teams more often, and having a guaranteed 3 games for my 5 tickets would be great.

Knock all you want on paids, but I think they do effectively separate competitive pre-formed teams from total randoms without voice coms. I don’t think there is any total randoms or solo-queuers in paids. Frees would be nicer if they just gave everyone who played in the tourney a single tourney ticket – it would remove the impression of good teams “farming tickets” in frees (which at least to my team, seems really silly b/c we play frees only because its better than hotjoin in terms of a competitive game, not to farm tickets. You’re way better off PvE farming gold and trading gold for gems to buy tickets. Frees are a horribly inefficient way to farm tickets).

I think the loser’s bracket idea is worth supporting because it is feasible that this could be implemented easily with very little coding necessary on Anet’s part. There are other problems sure, but this is a simple change that I think you would be hard pressed to find someone who truly would not want this. So far the negative posts on this thread have all been saying “don’t do this because other things are more important” or “this wont fix pvp” but none of them say it will make it worse.

Please do this!

great reply bro

Happy new years PVP ppl.

what is your new years resolution?

Mine is restructure my charity and try and raise 500k in 2013.

Ashumet.8674:

We (me and my irl friends) started playing tPvP at the end of september (note that a lot of the good teams now started playing in the beta already, so they already had more experience and these good teams also play more than 4 hours a day). In paid, we haven’t even won once (except for my mate).
So we usually stick with free tournaments. Mostly we face about 1-2 pugs/semi-pugs. We have gotten quite good at it, and are now winning about 50% of the times. Every once in a while, me and my pvp buddies still play paid tourneys, but we simply don’t stand a chance, so we do it for the gear mostly.

The current system allows us to get better, but not even close to the level of these top notch teams.
What happens is this: the top notch community gets better and better, playing against each other, while teams like us (good amateurs :-)) rarely get the chance to face them, and when we do, we’re getting destroyed (I’m always happy if we get to 200 points). We don’t get the chance to study their tactics on the second and third map, so even if we would win the first round, we’d get destroyed in the second round.

So we need different things here: (and I know I am repeating it from other posts, just to say it is important to me and the whole community)
- Different map rotations (why always start with forest of Niflhel? Why isn’t Temple in it it yet?)
- Matchmaking (as was stated above, this would be a great improvement, especially for free tournaments)
- New types of game (I don’t see why a CTF mode would be hard to implement, the christmas PvP minigame was just that, just use the close caps on the current
symmetrical maps as a base and make people spawn close to it (cfr Quake maps, I’ve heard the developers were inspired by it), same goes for a team deathmatch)
- NEW MAPS!
- The stealth thing (super annoying)

A system to save builds on characters to switch between games would be very useful as well.

I must agree with the fact that making the losing teams play against eachother would be a great improvement as well (Making 3rd place an actual achievement).

As for the matchmaking, why not do it with a tier system. You give each player a specific amount of rank points. If they lose, they get less points, If they win, you get more points depending on the average rank of the team you’re playing against. Every time a player is queued for a game, the average rank decides which tier they are playing in and against. This way you get tier-1 tourneys for beginning players, tier-2 tourneys for better players, etc… Best not to make to many tiers (max 3-4) or otherwise the queues will take to long.

As for sPvP, please do something about it. Zerging is actually rewarded, which is a bad thing as people don’t learn tactics this way, leaving them with no true PvP experience whatsoever when they pug for a free tourney.

great reply man. a lot of thought in here. but yes ppl need more goals to achieve for other then just 1st otherwise u have 7 upset teams.

Trigr.6481:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

so all 8 teams play yes? then 4 are kicked out the game (stupid idea for a game were u have to wait for 1-3 hours to play paid) then 2 more kicked out then 1 winner?

so 2 teams get to practice all 3 maps against good teams great but stupid for the other 6 teams.

how about the 8 teams play 4 lose then the 4 winning teams go against eachother in 2 legacy maps. but lets have the 4 losers go against eachother in leagacy also.

then the 2 winning legacy teams play for 1st and second place in kylo like normal but have the 2 losing teams play in kylo for 3rd and 4th place.

then from the losing side the winners of legacy play for 5-6 place and the losers play eachother for 7-8th place in kylo.

lets record in stats what places ppl get from 1-8th place (most ppl will play just for bragging rights)

1st place = 120 gems
2nd place =100 gems
3rd place = 80gems
4th place = 70gems
5th place = 3 tickets 20 gems
6th place = 3 tickets
7th place = 2 tickets 10 gems
8th place = 2 tickets

I have no interest in Gems at all. I have interest in the following

- A actual ladder/ matchmaking that means something.

- Random starting map for each tourne

- Bug Fixes before attempted balance fixes

- Locking down your character at the roster sign up

- More types of play, anything other than 5v5 point domination.

- Fixing stealth rendering

But most of all the ladder, even if it’s unbalanced and a long way from fixed. As long as the players can have a working efficient ladder then people will compete over something as mind numbing as who can count the paint spots on the wall the fastest, so imagine guild wars 2.

im glad u are interested in a ladder now. but if the ladder came out tomorrow u would see me at top from the ground after i pushed u off.

edit: sorry was a little bipolar i just lost to cute. (thats never supposed to happen)

Narcarsis.5739:

I would do more paids if people invited me over the random bads.

Yep, that about sums it up.

dang i wish u were on when i was looking for ppl tonight.

Israel.7056:

Skill is relative. Skilled compared to whom?

I am better than some players and worse than others. If I only played people who were equal to or worse than me then I would appear to be relatively skilled.

If I were to only play people better than me I will appear relatively unskilled.

My skill is measured relative to my opponent.

But we’re not just talking about pvp or skill though we’re talking about the carrot. We’re talking about incentives.

You want people to play a game. You have to give them a reason to play. You have to find the carrot that more people will find attractive.

I want to know that I can be that one team in eight. I think other people do too. People need to know that they can win first.

At present I don’t think I can be and so it seems to me to be a huge waste of my time. I think this is exactly why so few people are queuing for paid tournaments. They don’t think their odds of success are very high.

So why waste their time?

exactly man hoping to be that one team of 8 is hard but hoping to be that 1 or 2 team of 8 makes it all the more fun or hoping to be that 1,2,3,or 4 team of 8 now gives u a 50% chance of acchieving your goal.

what this change proposes is brodining ppl outlook of there own success and lesssining there outlook on failure. if we can do those 2 things this game will be taken to a whole new level.

Israel.7056:

I can’t speak for other people, I can only speak for myself. I do not know why other people play paid tournaments. Perhaps they enjoy competition for competition’s sake. That’s nice I guess. I don’t really care about bragging rights or whatever. I want to win things I like if I win the game and I want to feel like I can win before I even try to play.

The main reason I find paid tournaments unattractive at present is because I know that I’m unlikely to win first place.

Being guaranteed a medal is a nice idea but what I really want to know (or feel) is that I have a chance of winning first everytime I queue.

This tournament structure SAtaar has proposed is certainly more appealing than the current setup but I think it would become even more appealing if I knew that teams like SAtarr’s wouldn’t even be in the same bracket as teams like mine.

i play paid tournament s for the freaking thrill it gets my blood pumping. i fell like i did playing football my whole life. i play for ppl to know when i clucth moment is needed that they can count on me to clutch it. i play for the same reason i do everything in life (to be the best) and in paid its truly the only place i get this rush.

Israel.7056:

So I guess the idea here is to reward people regardless of how they perform.

I like that. It’s certainly more forgiving and inviting than the current setup.

the main idea behind this is to promote competitive game play and promote teams sticking together and getting better. using the old saying when u fall off the horse get right back on. sitting in the mist after u lose 500-8 gives u to much time to linger on it and its bad for a team. so get them right back in playing

Merial.1062:

This would be a great and very needed change imo. The idea of playing more games instead of waiting for 30mins to and hour before you even get to play again and to gain more experience as a team for newer players just makes it amazing.

yes got merilax aka back stab king to reply. now the devs have to reply

team 5 is being made now we need a bunker guard/ele and a roaming ele/thief and a necromancer please whisper or mail me or lamp.2315 for more info

this team plays
monday-thursday 4pm pst – 6pm pst
fri-sun all day-all night

ShRNA.4376:

What they need to do is to remove the whole Tournament thing completely. Not to make it more complicated.
The whole idea of requiring 8 teams 40ppl together to even begin playing is pathetic. It creates a totally unnecessary barrier for people to even think about playing it. Adding another “Paid” barrier there made it worse. Adding more complicated rules will make it even worse. Just get rid of it altogether and make something that is simple and straightforward to play with.[/quote]

imagine you worked on something for 5 years and put your heart and soul in it and someone told you to just scrap everything you just did?

exactly thats what they are saying to you when you tell them that. so instead lets just help them make your idea better for everyone.

yes we all know solo q single random map is easier but i say tournament mode is funner aka more fun aka i would rather tournament because its fun.

ty for your opinion bro glad you posted.

Seether.7285:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

@seether so do you think if they bring this in your team would come off break and start playing again bro?

To be honest it, it won’t bring my team back. We are a developed team and at this point we are wanting to play for more than just practice or QPs. I think your idea is a great system for letting new teams get more practice but at the end of the day they are playing still playing for QPs and not ratings. This is why I think your system is a great temporary solution while everyone waits on the rating system debut.

as long as you are ready and will compete in the ladder thats my main concern. i fell most teams will see the ladder be happy 1-2 days lose then stop playing. i want more then 3-4 teams playing ladders. i want them poping all day so im hoping this idea from this post will help more teams get ready

Wise.8025:

Eagle = Top teams

Goat = Everybody else

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VklTs-Tid_I

This is why we need a Ladder asap and forget the structure of it. No need to redo what they have in place for PvP until they separate the prey from the predators.

i would build a fence around the cliff for the goat or tell him not to stand by the edge. i wouldnt tell him not to go outside because there is eagles around

they have families and need a vacation also leave them be for a few more days

Baam.2493:

I think it would really make tournaments more rewarding, and it won’t feel like you’re bashing your head against a wall losing round 2 over and over.

lol great reply. i pitcure ppl bashing there head now in round 2

@seether so do you think if they bring this in your team would come off break and start playing again bro?

@miko this way you will always get past legacy and you can start working on strats for it. that would be very discouraging getting map 1 down perfect making out to 2nd map figuring it out for a month just to get to kylo and be clueless. gl bro

@azadoras yes thats what we want to hear. and great point. ppl would bring in friends to help them get better without worrying about wasting 1 hour and 5 tickets just for a 5 min game.

@reroll ppl have already told me about your reply and its hated by top players for the fact that we cant stand free tournaments. we are pushing paid so hard because free no longer fulfills our needs in GW2. most us either dont sign in or sit in the mist all day until paids pop. ty for your reply though and like my advanced post i did a while back us being in free actually hurts the community more then brings it together.

@ice yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss u agree

@penguinechoed im sure they already read it ands are waiting until after the holidays to respond. i know they will be glad to do it so they can keep there tournament system in place.

@hans. your team would benefit from this greatly. i only seen u in kylo once and know the outcome would have been different if you had had more time to practice kylo competitively.

@salt. ty bro

@faeral. i never played any other tournament type games but i did play sports my whole life and they dont just hand out random places that were not earned. i say if someone wants 3rd or 4th place they need to earn it not hope the team that beat them earns it for them.

@wise its really hard to take what you say into account with the name wise then your opening sentence but i will reply anywayz we all have earned far over 20,000 gems as it is but have yet to want anything to do with pve sp dont worry about us coming over to pve and trying to ruin 2012 pve of the year.

in the nfl everyone plays every week. what you are saying is that the best nfl teams shouldnt go against the worst. it makes no sence.

in this new tournament setting any 8 registered teams go in and the places 1-8 show what you deserve anet should not try and make ppl belieave they deserve more then they do. thats the problem with frees.

and lastly saying top players dont need the practice and should have to wait longer is the exact opposite of how i fell. i want to play more and get better (i know im sataarcoeny how can i get better, but im sure there is something i might be able to work on)

i think you should read everyones posts and ponder on it. if you still fell the same way great but i want to see another reply from wise after u read all the replys.

@Kaylogin i agree man it needs to be up 24/7 otherwise we lose the ppl that cant play

@masterk thats what we need to hear. this is here to get more ppl doing paids

@onemanarmy yeah i was thinking ppl might afk also but from what 100% of ppl told me this will be a way to practice and if they record places 1-8 in your stats ppl will go hard the whole tournament

@goob. Server rakata mind prison guild = URTFC then transfered to the bastion guild=Momento mori. i played with knives, taodin, shrubby, gannacus, and we would get hidden fortress ppl or ppl from the boss’s guild

@eonxbonx im sure that if enough ppl want it for frees it could work. it would actually help frees also. but with ppl afking and leaving more so in frees i would see a lot of dicouragement and maybe need a way to report it. (dont q if you cant play, but IRL stuff happens)

eDin.8369:

If they don’t want to rework the whole “tournament-system” (which means only ONE map instead of three per queue), than this is the only way I see for them reattracting people back for GW2 pvp.

I really hope SAtaarcoeny’s suggestions is getting the attention it deserves!

yes this is a way to allow anet to keep tournaments around.

Gasmask The Suffocating.2567:

I think giving teams more play time within a tournament queue will open up doors. The chances for a newly formed team to encounter a solid synergized team in a paid queue are very high. As mentioned earlier, these new teams, if encountering a solidified team, will generally lose on Forest of Niflhel and must usually wait for that entire tournament to be over with in order get another chance to even get some practice in. Rewards aside, these teams spend much more time waiting for a new tournament cycle than they do playing the game, and when they finally do play they revisit the same situation and it then turns into a vicious cycle. This means that new teams actually have the odds of even just getting solid practice in against them, which leaves very little room to grow. I support any idea that can help these teams play and have an active environment to grow in. Great read and I love the positive comments given to support new players thrive and enjoy their time within our small but convicted PvP scene!

you know i have to give you a individual reply cause i know u need my full undivied center of attention. great reply bro exactly on point.

@forth.
1: i see your frustration in your post bro but 2 things i gotta say. great teams dont wanna set up scrims we just dont its not fun for us and no reward we want that anticipation on who we playing and what map.
2: anet spent 5+ years making this system i dont want them to scrap it for that reason alone. lets give it a chance we been basshing tournaments since day one. if they apply this change trust me you will love this game again.

@narcisis like i said above anet is different lets not make them like everypne else they want a tournament style not a solo q style. yes a solo style is easier for everyone but that too leads to problems even for top teams. trust me i have been at the top a long time and seen what beating other top players does to them at least a tournament style gives variety to everyone. learning new playstyles and strats not building a strat and comp just to try and beat SAtaarcoeny.

@infatum. ty bro for your post i never considered ppl in free might like this also. if you can do me a favor and all weekend when you do frees can you post this post in map chat so we can get more opinions from ppl that do free to see if they want this also for free tournaments.

@happy. i fell you bro this game has been making even the best of us fell a little pesimistic but more paids would pop you wont have to worry about sitting around the mist as much anymore for 2 reasons.
1: more teams will q because of the second reason so you can be in q faster
2: teams will be able to play every map and get better nomatter the outcome
3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX07j9SDFcc (i hope everyone laughs here)

@klassic. we do have a huge population i dont know if ppl realize that but if everyone in hotjoin made a team at any given time we could have over 400 teams on all day. now lets give them a reason to play what they should be playing

@evilapprentance. i hope they can put this in by janurary 14th.

@raeblfl i made these rewards based off of what i would want if i got these places. and no you wouldnt just lose from 6th for 7th place because that isnt even possible because 5th plays 6th. you would have to lose your chance at 5th place for a chance at 7th so go hard bro all day.

@fusion. another great reply this is why we need this good luck bro.

@ultima yeah man ty for support and i hope they fix the chest bug soon i had that problem on EU.

@shannanagins ty another exact reason i made this post was for ppl like you. i want your new team to be successful and not get disscoraged. ty for the reply

@happy…… …… …… ….. … .. . . . ok i read it all nvm there is another book… …. … .. .. .. ok finished. so my overal goal for this new system is having more ppl do paids because paids make you better. less teams will break up because now u wont sit around for 1 hour fighting about why sataarcoeny aka best mesmer beat you. they will keep playing. yes you fall off a horse u get mad and frustrated but like they say if u fall off the horse you need to get right back on. (if you lose first match u need to play again not wait 1 hour)

@devilesglare your my favorite person in GW2

@absigal. i wouldnt want this system in free tournaments just in paids. there is no reason to have to stick around in a pug because like u said ppl do just leave

@maxi . i agree

@follidous exactly bro ppl want to play above all else

@evilapprentance. this is the type of reply i wanted i want to know that it will get ppl playing and having fun getting better.

@walrox you read it here first bro give johnathon sharpe credit he will light a fire under anet to put this in after the attention its gonna get. just have hope

@seether. yeah bro i for some reason really like tournament mode and i think anet wants to keep it around. so with that in mind this idea was created its what i think will let them keep there system in place and we can start having fun and getting better instead of waiting 3-4 months for them to make a new system

Arno.8962:

Thats the first sentence I saw today in game.

AIM so Op.

hey dont post my map chat trolls on here

http://www.gadel.info/2011/07/keep-trying-quotes-sayings-and-proverbkittenml

i read so many things about try again and again but in the current system when you lose your out and cant try again its just epic fail.

if you lose then you have to wait 45 min to an hour to try again all that happens in that hour is finger blaming eachother (no thats not good) felling mad and getting un hype. so the next game your not fully in it to win it

when you fall off a horse you need to get right back on it. so apply that saying to this game. if you lose roun d one dont give ppl time to freak out let them play round 2 then 3. even if they lose all 3 rounds they still get practice on all 3 plus they got to play instead of yell at eachother while they either wait for next one or stop q ing all together cause losing round one is curage breaking.

when i go into tournaments there is 2-3 teams i want to go up against and its not to beat them to laugh at them like it may seem but the reason is for me to get better as a player and teach teammates how to get better.

but what makes me mad is we play a new team and i get whispers

“really we have to play the best mesmer”
“this is why we dont q”
“great a top team im done with paids”
“5 tickets down the drain ty SAtaarcoeny”

devs cheak my whispers this is what i get all day and its dumb.

implement this system and all the discouragement will be gone ppl wont fell like they wasted 5 tickets for nothing. please acknowledge this post

after doing pug paids and playing with alot of new ppl latly my point on needing an advanced playlist because of ppl needing to learn how to play was just re confirmed.

putting a ladder into this game right now is going to utterly kill it. there is noone ready for it. i can say maybe 2 teams are ready to compete in a ladder but we will absolutley dominate everyone else and they are going to get discouraged and then it ill be worse then it is now cause noone will q for ladder because they know ladder matters and looking bad on a ranking system wont fly with ppl.

i never get replies from devs on these types of posts but can i get a reply on this one if its possible or what your thoughs are?

i had the number one pvp team on SWTOR and this is what happened we win all the time 99% win rate then ranked comes out cause ppl was crying they want ranked (but noone was able to practice with 8 ppl for ranked) then we won 90% of ranked every team quit but 3 so it got boreing and we quit for GW2

if ppl dont have more time to practice ladder wont help infact its going to make less teams imo. and everyone that disagrees with me is wrong.

nope definatley not talking about wvw (this is pvp section.

ok i messaged the team leader jason about picking you up.