Guild Wars 2

@ mufa
please dont call me names of bash ANET. for 1 i dont call you names and for 2 anet gave us an amazing game.

the fact that i even respond to someone that is so clueless on the game is beyond me but here i go.

if there is no statistics like you said then it works both ways dont ask for a nerf sense you dont know facts….

“severe over-representation of mesmers and guardians” please name in the top 20 NA every mesmer and guardian. lol

its hard to improve if you dont learn how to. so can you explain that to me real fast please.

please dont belittle QP because anet put a awesome system in place to show who is winning. and i should be number 2 in QP na tomorrow

next when you keep asking for 1v1 balance dont you ask yourself why you get no reply… let me tell you this is a team game so sorry to be the one to fill you in. its called guild wars so you should L2P this game and i can help you out if you want.

lastly i do have a interest in this game and want to see it in ESPORTS and it will be there and i will be on the top team when it does go there. but for now until it gets there i have to make sure no body of less knowledge try and ruin this game and make it so simple that noone wants to watch it in ESPORTS.

sorry body i will defend this game until the end and i wont let you or anyone else sit there and unjustly demand nerfs just because you dont want to L2P correctly.

Oracle Fefe.5078:

Jest.9276:

Seeing as how a Goalie’s entire job is to defend against Offensive Players of all levels, their opinion on what their own Offensive Players are doing wrong/should be doing to beat the opposing Goalie is extremely valid.

You want to beat a Goalie? Ask a Goalie how they get beat. Want to beat a Mesmer? Ask a Mesmer how they get beat. Ask them what frustrates them and what tactics counter their playstyle.

Makes perfect sense actually.

There is a difference between telling an offense what they should be doing if they make a mistake or to pick up a strategy for the team (Though that’s usually left to either coach or other offense.), and telling the offense to re-read the entire book of offensive soccer tactics.

If you want to tell a person to “L2P” You have to usually be more specific or you end up telling them to “L2P whatever role you’re doing cause you’re terrible at it.” as opposed to “Learn about how mesmer clones work so you could stop casting it out of range and no clones pop up thus you can’t use any secondary abilities.”

Plus, learn to play is more of a rude term, as it’s telling you to learn to play in general, which means “everything you do in a role sucks.” At worse, it means learn to play the game, MMOs, or whatever. So many arguments could’ve been avoided if the OP simply stated “learn to” with whatever afterwards instead of L2P in every single one of his posts -2.

you are really reaching here. your trying so hard to make L2P into a negative thing its silly.

i played football all my life and we did read the whole playbook all the time.

keep reaching though until you find out its out of your grasp and when you do realize that can you just acknowledge QQ for NERFS is just as silly as saying learn to play is a bad thing.

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PearlGore.7419:

Yes nerf Mesmers until we all quit, at least then you can move onto ruining another class.

nice reply to this man thats what im afraid will happen. they are doing it to everyclass and it needs to stop now

Sprawl.3891:

Jest.9276:

Seeing as how a Goalie’s entire job is to defend against Offensive Players of all levels, their opinion on what their own Offensive Players are doing wrong/should be doing to beat the opposing Goalie is extremely valid.

You want to beat a Goalie? Ask a Goalie how they get beat. Want to beat a Mesmer? Ask a Mesmer how they get beat. Ask them what frustrates them and what tactics counter their playstyle.

Makes perfect sense actually.

if a goalie knew how to beat goalies he would be on offense

:) thank you for this spawl. now please no more nerf forums now that anet read this the nerf forums will not be looked at serious now with this type of logic.

(oficially not responding to sprawl anymore)

Mufa.1326:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

……i belieave u great job on killing me. so would you say im some super mesmer that needs to be nerfed or would you say im just a player on a good team? ty for bringing this up i been waiting for some ppl to say the truth. mesmers are not super 1v1 team fight ppl that kill everyone then 1v1 everyone with no CD…..

1. It is not about nerfing YOU (such an egocentric guy, you are just off the charts), it is about nerfing the class. The fact that Goob easily beat you 1v1 does not carry any information about need for nerfing/buffing mesmers vs thief. For all we know Goob could be several skill levels above you as to compensate with his skill differential relative to you for any class balancing issues.

2. When someone beats you in a duels, you have no business telling him to L2P. So stop telling Goobs to L2P (and in general, stop telling ppl to L2P you are just not in position to do so (see point 3)).

3. I do not even need to duel you and your buddies to see where you are. You lose easily to Goobs, you recommend me to ask Cruuk for advice (both of them are good thieves), and you practice with Caed (who is a joke) (yes I fought all three of them). I can pretty much see where you are skill wise from those data points. I can just say that you are nowhere close to being one of the top players in the game. It is one thing to be a decent player and know you are decent and nothing more. It is another to be decent, but be delusional that you are top player. And then it is third to be mediocre, be delusional that you are a top player, and then go brag on forums about being a top player. That is just embarrassing.

so what your saying is sense you are so many skill lvls below everyone else you have the right to ask for nerfs and because you are so stubburn you dont need to L2P you just want it made easier for your skill lvl.??? sorry man i dont agree with you.

also you said because i got killed but won the match that means the person that killed me is a perfect player and doesnt need to L2P??? sorry man i dont agree

and because i made it to the top of the QP leaderbords and im excited i cant go and say ty to the ppl that helped me get there because its embarrassing??? sorry man i dont agree.

were not all on the same skill lvl which im sure your aware of but that is no reason to nerf nerf nerf so until you find me this super op class then im sick and tired of hearing these nerf this and that post thats all im saying.

@goob

lol i talked to lamp he had a dc in his first game with you guys when you were winning . and you told ppl he rage quit and completely demoralized his team. i wouldnt want someone like you on my team either no wonder you dont win first rounds. you seem like a real negative person to me and i know now why lamp got rid of you. i did play with lamp and he is very smart and understands the game.

im glad you have thiefs guild for me to beat me and im glad you waited for me to pop portal and backstabed me from 60% hp to 0 when i came through. but if you exspect me to say hey i died noone needs to L2P is a silly thing. did you win? can you win when your not a team player but a really negative person? probably not when your rep through my guild is tarnished.

i hope you do become a perfect player and never need to l2p better then you might put me in check or whatever your failed goal is.

im working heavy with team 6 atm no other team has needed any help they pretty much know what to do. when we play them in paids then they ask me for advice and i give it. when custom servers next month are up we will be scrimming all the time all 6 teams (more if we find great team leaders) so dont tell me i dont put effort into my off teams when you are very confused. i hope you make it past round 1 so you can see how good they are.

i have to ignore you from here on out because after talking to lamp then reading your replys he told me you are not a truthful person gl with GW2

Khyras.8021:

You need to understand that people who play hot join and free tourney are not by default new people or less skilled players.I dont play gw2 at all anymore because pvp is boring one mode only construct with annoying mechanics like clone spam, stealth spam,confusion, retaliation, and when i was playing i did not play paid tournaments because i despise concept of paying or grinding to be able to pvp.People in hotjoin do not need 30% dmg reduction like they are kitten and cannot handle the burst, they need the game that is actually fun and not annoying to play.They need to LOVE pvp to stay committed and eventually move on to “higher level” pvp if they want to.Adding more fun to play game modes and target nearest player feature aswell as fixing stealth render issue and multiple bugs hat exist since beta would be a good start imho and i probably wont be playing at all until they do that.

so you think we should work more on bug fixes then nerfs?

ty for claring it up ppl made me think hotjoins were just ppl that qq and make NERF posts. i never been in them and am happy for this info.

can you tell me why you play hotjoins instead of frees? you dont need to grind anything to play frees as thats your reason not to do paids

Jest.9276:

Seeing as how a Goalie’s entire job is to defend against Offensive Players of all levels, their opinion on what their own Offensive Players are doing wrong/should be doing to beat the opposing Goalie is extremely valid.

You want to beat a Goalie? Ask a Goalie how they get beat. Want to beat a Mesmer? Ask a Mesmer how they get beat. Ask them what frustrates them and what tactics counter their playstyle.

Makes perfect sense actually.

great reply and now coming from you i hope ppl actually listen and dont accuse you of having an elitst mentality or call you names for stating commen sense.

great reply man wish i new how to type that good you made a lot of sense there. i hope ppl read this 2 times

Arheundel.6451:

Fault.8735:

cant tell people to L2p when they are balancing a game around broken skills/traits/utilities. ive said this again and again, how do u balance a broken skill? once u fix that skill whats going to happen ? fix bugs first let pvp run wild for a few weeks then start balancing. i just cant see their idea behind balancing around broken stuff.

x class has ability 2 that is broken and is weak against z class.
they balance z class to x class
they fix x class ability 2
x class totally rocks z class now
balance x class down to z class again
fix z class trait 2 5 6 now z class rocks all classes
endless cycle

fix all kitten then go from there dont balance around broken stuff

More than this we should say that the true balance is only what you see at the top:

1)Bottom of the PvP ladder
Profession A get beaten by profession B
Profession B is easier to use compared to profession A
Profession B get nerfed so now Profession A beat B more easily

2)Top of the PvP ladder
Profession A win/lose against profession B at 50/50
Profession B get nerfed because of complaints at the bottom of ladder
Profession A win/lose against profession B at 80/30

Because of complaints from people playing in the Bottom of the PvP ladder ( 8vs8), professions like necro and ele got nerfed even before the game got released…..
Do you remember when people were crying about 100b combo?…the same people were crying the same for the dragon’s tooth/phoenix combo….I only wish Anet would have used with ele the same approach seen with the warrior ( no nerf on the 100b combo, go and learn to play noobs!)

this is what im afraid of happening. if all the ppl in 8v8 hotjoin (which means nothing) for example get mesmers nerfed and i start losing to lets say vain on his ele 100% of the time instead of 50% then the game is ruined in my eyes.

that example goes for everyone. hman for example when for 1 month 100b was the thing being called FOTM nerf 100b then me and hman talked and we both said warriors are balanced and if they nerf them then i would be able to beat hman 10 /10 times and that would have ruined the game for him.

just because ppl at the bottom dont want to take the time to L2P doesnt mean top ppl should be penalized for it. sorry i just dont.

great reply man really great reply.

Oracle Fefe.5078:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

L2P ppl its hat easy msg me in game if you need help i help everyone.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

if you just L2P im sure u will be fine in this game. like i said if you need help about your role in the game i can help you. just whipser me in game and you will get good at it and have more fun then you wont be complaining so much

I appreciate that you’re attempting to help people out, but the way you approach is what is causing you bad flak. People are attacking you because of your structure. What does helping people since day one of the game have to do with personality? Perhaps you may have had a different approach to them but your current approach now is..well..sickening in my opinion.

Regardless of how you’re wishing to help people, your words come out as “You’re an idiot at this game and need to learn to play. Since you’re not good and need to learn to play you should whisper me and I will teach you how to play my way.”
Personalities can change on will. I can go from being calm and as respectful as I can be to downright snarky and rude should I choose to because I’m typing all of this. It’s how my post structure is worded out. I don’t use abbreviations as much as the next guy to show I mean business and take patience with how I type and reread my wording to try my best to make sure it isn’t taken the wrong way. I don’t put opinions into truths by saying you’re wrong or “You’re the person that needs to L2P”.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

Sprawl.3891:

playing only one class and talking about balance is like a goalie telling the offense to l2p.

good analogy bro. im glad you are finally agreeing with me because everyone know the golie understands the offense better then the rest of the team.

hence the reason its so hard for the offense to score in soccer (football for the EU readers)

instead of the goalie pretending to be good at anything other then golie he l2p his role on the team perfect and then learns how best to counter everyone else.

immagine if a goalie qq that the goal was to big or the ball was to small ? ppl would laugh at him and tell him to learn to play.

or immagine if the offense said they goalie spot is to op they need to make the goal bigger or the ball smaller so they score more? ppl would laugh at them and tell them to learn to play

ty sprawl glad your on my side.

Except in this one case. In here you’re wrong and simply putting extra words into Sprawl’s mouth. Let me emphasize:
-The goalie is a goalie, not offense
-A goalie who has been a goalie all his life should not be telling the offense to “learn to play.” and taken seriously.
-If another offense that was better than the “faulty” offense told him to “Learn to Play.” THEN it would be a much more appreciated term.
-The goalie was never in the offense’s shoes. He should keep his mouth shut and have a more constructive chat about it later on instead.
-You’re a mesmer, telling everyone else to L2P their classes despite not having been in their shoes (regardless of who they are or what they’re complaining about.) You’re the goalie telling an offense (Let’s say dagger/focus Necro or Double Axe Warrior) to L2P despite not having been in their shoes.
You can tell anyone to L2P, but you risk it being either an acceptable jab or a downright elitist remark depending on who you are, what you’ve played, and whether or not you’ve had experience with the person’s current ideas.

@Breakin: I understand he didn’t mean it to be as offensive, but it comes out as offensive because of his structure of the posts. In Frankenstein, Elizabeth’s speech to the Jury claiming that Justine was a kindhearted goodwilled person instead caused her execution to happen because the structure of her speech made her seem ambitious, ruthless, and deep-down uncaring.

ok lets use baseball as a better example because i think your wrong.

a catcher tells a pitcher how to play because he knows what a pitcher is capable of. even though a catcher is not a pitcher.

so no you do not need to be in somones shoes to know how they walk sorry i just dont agree with you. and every coach in the world will also. many coches never played the game but know how it should be played.

and dont worry about my attitude your wrong on that also.

but ty for your opinion i hope you look past my so called attitude and realize with the evidence i stated you dont need to play all 8 classes to understand them.

Fault.8735:

cant tell people to L2p when they are balancing a game around broken skills/traits/utilities. ive said this again and again, how do u balance a broken skill? once u fix that skill whats going to happen ? fix bugs first let pvp run wild for a few weeks then start balancing. i just cant see their idea behind balancing around broken stuff.

x class has ability 2 that is broken and is weak against z class.
they balance z class to x class
they fix x class ability 2
x class totally rocks z class now
balance x class down to z class again
fix z class trait 2 5 6 now z class rocks all classes
endless cycle

fix all kitten then go from there dont balance around broken stuff

yes i agree once all the bugs are fixed then then we can see about balance issues. but saying mesmer is op because ppl shatter exploit is wrong. saying guard is op cause he block bugged was wrong.

nice reply man

Kardiamond.6952:

This thread is endless.

“By playing all professions you’ll never see all the pro and cons of each one of them, with this set in stone how do you plan in giving an objective opinion regarding one particular profession when you don’t know the full potential of any?”

I don’t even need to reply to that. Your whole arguments is full of contration.

And Sataar is still too full of himself to understand that a buff is the same thing then a nerf. In the end you have to same result.

first thing me and you went to the same school.

2nd every great coach is able to see ppls full potential without actually being that person.

3rd i dont see why u say im full of myself? im full of the knowledge of everyone that has helped me L2P better and actually im not even full there is still new info im eating up every day. im a hungry mesmer FYI

maybe it takes more life experiences to understand stuff clearer and as seeing how ppl are asking to be babyied i will asume they have been sheltered and now expect that from this game.

in the real world ppl learn to be successful. try applying that to this game and you will get the same results i promise.

so everyone agrees that starting builds need to be changed?

but reducing dmg in hotjoins to help new ppl build up skill without being insta gibbed every second isnt something everyone is on bored with?

we need to do something and my old idea is make a middle playlist. an advanced playlist for full teams of 5 to play full teams of 5. leave the free playlist for 1 or 2 ppl to q up at most and that will mean new ppl and less skilled ppl will be in that.

instead of nerfing everything lets have good real ideas

tom.7468:

LMAO

if you have trouble with a class find them and ask how to beat them its easy.

You get owned then pm HEY HOW DO I BEAT YOU. dont think its going to work :P

your wrong you just need to realize ppl can beat you. i do it all the time. when i used to stomp xee when he streamed and said he was the best mesmer na i had beat him over 15 times until he finally whispered me and we talked about what i do against him. it made him a way better player. when ppl stomp me i find out emidiantly and i learn form that in hopes it dont happen again.

you ppl with this pride or ego or whatever it is that makes you think asking for help is wrong. i ask for help everyday and i get better everyday because of it. but some you say i have elitist attitude or ego but i dont see it at all. i actually view my self quite the opposite.

Breakin.2409:

i like how you all accuse Sat for having a huge ego, but actually YOU are the ones that have it. all he needed to do was say " l2p" a few times and the kittenstorm was unleashed. and he didn’t even mean it an offensive way.
you are all so insecure about your own skills as a player, the moment someone came over and told u the truth ( because yes, you actually DO need to l2p, and so does everyone else playing this game, me included ), u started insulting and making fun of him. it’s quite pathetic, really.

what was ACTUALLY funny was some kitten calling him out for a 1v1. that was kittening hilarious hahahahahahahahaa

i agree with most of the points u make sat, if not all of them.

also, i like that suggestion someone made about reducing damage in hotjoin by 30%. while that may not be the perfect solution, i think it’s in the right direction. maybe Anet should balance hot join and tournaments differently. that would be a little too much work for them tho.

i even stated an a earlier post me and hman still say we need to learn to play our class better we learn new stuff every day. this game has been out for 4 months noone knows if a class is op and has no counters and noone knows is a class is not viable because everything counters it.

that guys sugestion to help new ppl by making hotjoins more friendly was bashed by the ppl that said make the game more firendly to new ppl. it was quite confusing and makes me think some ppl just want to complain and are not trying to make this game better for everyone as a whole.

Sprawl.3891:

playing only one class and talking about balance is like a goalie telling the offense to l2p.

good analogy bro. im glad you are finally agreeing with me because everyone know the golie understands the offense better then the rest of the team.

hence the reason its so hard for the offense to score in soccer (football for the EU readers)

instead of the goalie pretending to be good at anything other then golie he l2p his role on the team perfect and then learns how best to counter everyone else.

immagine if a goalie qq that the goal was to big or the ball was to small ? ppl would laugh at him and tell him to learn to play.

or immagine if the offense said they goalie spot is to op they need to make the goal bigger or the ball smaller so they score more? ppl would laugh at them and tell them to learn to play

ty sprawl glad your on my side.

Pray.9751:

clearly sirconnery is just 2 months ahead of everyone elses meta

simple as that.

+10 i agree. but remember you can whisper me in game if you want to find out what we are doing atm

and ty for the respect calling me sir much appreciated.

if you can also agree that we need to buff other skills and traits then we can have more ppl making new meta.

Atlas.6901:

Hard to take anybody seriously who claims to be serious. If one really wanted to be pro at a video game, they would have ditched this title a long time ago. The dudes sticking around are either casuals who enjoy the light competition from the few remaining teams and occasional decent pugs or delusional dudes hoping that GW2 will somehow become an eSports success over night and they will have a leg up on the actual pro gamers who start playing the game.

It’s also hard to conceptualize a world in which balance is dictated by the few top-level casuals (pretending to be serious) at this stage in the game’s life. If there was a real pro scene, I can understand not wanting to balance for the common denominator. There isn’t. As such, I can’t really bite on the learn-to-play argument. Why make a small community smaller by forcing lower level players to learn every nuance of the game before they can enjoy playing it?

Hard not to read this thread merely as a tryhard Mesmer who wants to continue to be relevant by playing an indispensable class.

hey we stay around this game because once you get around the top lvl play you see it is balanced and it is fun and i have been on a pro gears of war team (team tb) and was top bomberman player neither was esports but my point there (before a jealous person stops reading at that point and goes into a jealous reply) is GUILD WARS 2 has had me more hype then either one of those games. this game gets so good and so intense thats why were are trying to help it get better and not worse.

the problem with this game is the first ppl to by it and play pvp were to lazy to stick to a class stick with 4 other ppl tweak and twork builds to form a team and practice against every other class to get a understanding on what you need to do.

me and qwho and hman and many more top players used to sit in hotjoin for 2-3 hours a day testing new stuff so now you QQ nerf this nerf that because your to lazy to L2P ppl are saying we should be punished and nerfed because we are to good and its hard for you to catch up because you dont want to put in the effort? you say ppl wont play this game and it wont go esports because it actually takes time and training to be good at it?

when i used to read the nerf post i used to just say you guys are silly but now this game has gone away from being a variety game and im sick of it.

just because you kids dont take this game serious and you want to nerf everything until the game is ruined doesnt mean your right. not one time has anyone showed me something super a class can do that cant be countered with skill

Project Shrine Maiden.9623:

thinking you know everything, winning what.. 80%+ of the tourny games you’ve played in… and only playing mesmer. your perspective is not nearly broad enough. you’ve been playing the one most powerful class in the game, for the entire game, with many of the best players in an environment where you rarely lose. no wonder you can’t understand why people are qq’ing about this and that. mesmers can beat every class. You said it yourself, against the top players in the game, you have the possibility of winning. not every class has that ability. and you simply refuse to acknowledge that.

so very close minded, sataarcoeny. for someone who calls themselves top na and eu, you play in such a privileged environment (teammates are very strong players) with the most powerful class. not even having tried any of the other classes but guardian lol. how you are even able to argue with these people is beyond me. you haven’t even tried to understand their perspective even though you claim otherwise. L2P L2P L2P? how about You L2P other classes.

aww well this is were you are so very wrong.

i do not need to play something to understand it fully. i can play against it and talk to ppl playing it to get a perfect understanding of it. and like someone else said a person that has fully learned there class knows its weaknesses and strongside. by no means is mesmer op nor is it weak.

i remember when ppl said necro was weak and it wasnt in the “meta” but we used them and them ppl started saying they are op and a must lol kids you were so very wrong then.

i remember when ppl said rangers and d/d ele are weak and shouldnt be in the “meta” you guys were wrong then and we have been proving how very wrong you guys are all the time.

our latest project was ppl said a engi wasnt viable in the NA “meta” but guess what we used 1 for 2 weeks and lost only 2-5 games with it.

so the credibility from all the QQ nerf this nerf that ppl is out the window for me and instead of just proving you guys wrong over and over again i decided to come straight out and say it

im sick of it. stop saying stuff is op. l2p the game as a whole. when you say something is op when it is not or something needs buffs when it does not then all you do is hurt the real balance for when ppl actually learn the class.

i never played SC because i was a console gamer but i heard it was really good. anyways a dev said something about a class everyone said was weak then a guy l2p that class and made it a top class. if they would have buffed that class just because ppl were to lazy to learn to play it then that would have been to op.

point is yes i played my class so much i know how to play against it and against other classes. maybe when ppl stick to a class and get great at it they will not only l2p that class they will l2p against every class and stuff wont seem op to them.

@pyrial

instead of throwing weak insults at me how about you read through the thread you will find examples on how to beat a mesmer.

1 was a example on how to force mesmer home with no cd

another was as gobs says hit the mesmer with an elite

another was gobs saying push mesmer node force him back … o wait thats what 1 was.. (gj goobs for being smart im glad you learned how to beat mesmers instead off being scared and saying there op gods.)

please read this forum replys before saying silly things to me ty. im sure there is alot for you to learn here

Goob.9752:

I’ve been keeping up with the thread and this kind of hit a cord.

“ANET expected a lot more skilled players in this game thats why they said it will be esports.”

Sata…. Your going way too far now. You need to lose about 60% of the ego you have. Now saying that there aren’t enough skilled players in the game is so far from wrong and maybe you’ve been stuck in your little circle for to long.

The other day my team vs’d you guys in paids. We lost of course because we got outplayed. I came to henge 4 times that game. The first time I popped my elite because how Sata always says “#1 mesmer NA/EU” I thought I was going to have some crazy battle. I was wrong, 30 seconds in Sata dropped and I took the point for about 10 seconds before 2 members of his team came to reclaim it. After I res’d I went back to put more pressure because at that time I felt as if you weren’t anything special. I didn’t pop my elite this time not because it was down. Didn’t think I’d needed it to beat you. We vs’d again I stomped you with most of my health remaining and got the point for maybe 15 seconds before back up (great roamers on his team). The last 2 matches you won because help came before we could finish.

I don’t care if no one believes me and you say it’s lies, I know you remember and please remember that well. I’m not saying I’m a better player than you and trying to get attention. I’ll even say it out front, Sata is a better team player(well I’m assuming because he’s team does so well in paids)

Maybe you dueling Caed isn’t the best choice for 1v1’n a thief. Caed has the same ego as you. People with that attitude will never get any better because they already think they are superior to everyone else. From what I seen you still need to L2P.

You setting the meta, stfu. Anet setup the meta and will always be the one controlling it. As good players we find the best comp/strats that works. We aren’t setting the meta though. We just follow the path Anet left out for us.

I think it was a month ago or so, you made a post about making another team. I messaged you in game and telling you I was interested. He told me I need to talk to the leader of the group. Which I did, the kid was like “OMG, Goobs” so we had the team together. This kid leading this group had to be 12 years old and was horrible. I won’t mention his name. The group fell apart of course but I gained a friend from the group so that was a plus. You didn’t even try to put a group together, I’m guessing the other groups failed the same way. Lasting a whole 2-4 hours. Sata’s your attempts to make groups just seem like a show to me. You like the spot light on you and everything you do is to keep that attention on you.

Anyways, Props to your teammates they are amazing. Hopefully they can take some of the weight off their backs at some point.

{ (edit) From my phone, took forever }

i belieave u great job on killing me. so would you say im some super mesmer that needs to be nerfed or would you say im just a player on a good team? ty for bringing this up i been waiting for some ppl to say the truth. mesmers are not super 1v1 team fight ppl that kill everyone then 1v1 everyone with no CD.

and yes you are right i am a better team player because im on a team and im set up for team play. i anticipate my team backing me up.

i understand your little shots at me saying you beat me with full health to build your ego and thats fine you trying to be subliminal with it but to me thats a bad attitude.

and dont badmouth one of my teams with a 14 year old kid on it from ny because im sure the burgers have beaten every team out there in paids including us once. there team does perfectly fine and just because you didnt fit with them because what seems like a age issue with you doesnt mean you should bash them or say they are not doing well or i dont help them. they have won many 1st places.

if you need help becoming a team player just msg me in game. (and lose the attitude towrds me because you didnt make one of our teams)

faeral.7120:

reduce dmg by 30% in hotjoin. nobody in tournies will care anyway, just make it more friendly to new players.

update the default profession builds based on meta, so you aren’t giving players useless specs out of the gate.

everything else has already been asked for.

OMG this is a great reply please everyone read this. this reply makes this whole forum post worth it.

we get a player that thinks outside the box and comes up with a idea to help new players in hotjoin. plus take the traits weapons runes amulets and utilites from the top players of there classes so when new ppl make a new character and get in the mist they are already were they should be and then can tweak and twork it as they see fit.

and then his other idea is to nerf total dmg in hotjoins by 30%. dude thats a freaken great idea. no more insta gibbing no more QQ from new ppl thinking this really happens in the real tournament part of the game.

great reply. now instead of hearing “nerf thief or mesmer or 100b because new ppl in hotjoin die by them” we can actually let ppl play hot joins get into the game correctly with out strugling over builds or being insta gibbed.

great idea very new person friendly.

edit i took this from another thread i think this was such a good idea it deserved its own thread to see if we can get some light shined on it.

faeral.7120:

reduce dmg by 30% in hotjoin. nobody in tournies will care anyway, just make it more friendly to new players.

update the default profession builds based on meta, so you aren’t giving players useless specs out of the gate.

everything else has already been asked for.

OMG this is a great reply please everyone read this. this reply makes this whole forum post worth it.

we get a player that thinks outside the box and comes up with a idea to help new players in hotjoin. plus take the traits weapons runes amulets and utilites from the top players of there classes so when new ppl make a new character and get in the mist they are already were they should be and then can tweak and twork it as they see fit.

and then his other idea is to nerf total dmg in hotjoins by 30%. dude thats a freaken great idea. no more insta gibbing no more QQ from new ppl thinking this really happens in the real tournament part of the game.

great reply. now instead of hearing “nerf thief or mesmer or 100b because new ppl in hotjoin die by them” we can actually let ppl play hot joins get into the game correctly with out strugling over builds or being insta gibbed.

great idea very new person friendly.

faeral.7120:

reduce dmg by 30% in hotjoin. nobody in tournies will care anyway, just make it more friendly to new players.

update the default profession builds based on meta, so you aren’t giving players useless specs out of the gate.

everything else has already been asked for.

OMG this is a great reply please everyone read this. this reply makes this whole forum post worth it.

we get a player that thinks outside the box and comes up with a idea to help new players in hotjoin. plus take the traits weapons runes amulets and utilites from the top players of there classes so when new ppl make a new character and get in the mist they are already were they should be and then can tweak and twork it as they see fit.

and then his other idea is to nerf total dmg in hotjoins by 30%. dude thats a freaken great idea. no more insta gibbing no more QQ from new ppl thinking this really happens in the real tournament part of the game.

great reply. now instead of hearing “nerf thief or mesmer or 100b because new ppl in hotjoin die by them” we can actually let ppl play hot joins get into the game correctly with out strugling over builds or being insta gibbed.

great idea very new person friendly.

jportell.2197:

I played my mesmer in what started as a 2v3 but because my staff ele friend died it became a 1v3… Took a ranger an engi and a d/d ele to get me because all of my skills were on cool down… My friend had played with mesmers before and all she said is “Wow… you are amazing.” The only really viable elite skill we have that is great group utility is mass invis… but that is only if we want to chain stealth (need veil to go with it). Btw the entire time I was fighting these 3 PROFESSIONS I did not use time warp or any elite… I just played the class how it was supposed to be played… But you know what since I lost to these three professions I kindly request they be nerfed as well…I was knocked back by a longbow… None of that for rangers anymore… The kitten wolf had a fear skill… this totally needs removed HUNTERS CALL almost got me twice man not cool okay please remove the bleeding conditions that it brings with it…. The engineer had a flamethrower then pistols then a bomb kit… SO NOT OKAY please increase the cooldown between their kit swaps… And the d/d ele stunned me like 5 times… Seriously nerf all of these skills and professions so that next time I can 1v3 them and win to save my pride dignity and huevos… Wait… If I seriously whine about something like that then that means I have no huevos… Hmmm.

lol nerf it all so you can win 1v3. i know your joking here but the funny thing is ppl on the forums are so serious when they say stuff like this. they are asking for all these nefs so they become better.

BTW if you have a super so called mesmer why were u not able to when the 2v3 when your staff ele friend was there?

idk ppl these so called super classes and professions i still havnt seen any evidence that they exist

jportell.2197:

I played my mesmer in what started as a 2v3 but because my staff ele friend died it became a 1v3… Took a ranger an engi and a d/d ele to get me because all of my skills were on cool down… My friend had played with mesmers before and all she said is “Wow… you are amazing.” The only really viable elite skill we have that is great group utility is mass invis… but that is only if we want to chain stealth (need veil to go with it). Btw the entire time I was fighting these 3 PROFESSIONS I did not use time warp or any elite… I just played the class how it was supposed to be played… But you know what since I lost to these three professions I kindly request they be nerfed as well…I was knocked back by a longbow… None of that for rangers anymore… The kitten wolf had a fear skill… this totally needs removed HUNTERS CALL almost got me twice man not cool okay please remove the bleeding conditions that it brings with it…. The engineer had a flamethrower then pistols then a bomb kit… SO NOT OKAY please increase the cooldown between their kit swaps… And the d/d ele stunned me like 5 times… Seriously nerf all of these skills and professions so that next time I can 1v3 them and win to save my pride dignity and huevos… Wait… If I seriously whine about something like that then that means I have no huevos… Hmmm.

lol nerf it all so you can win 1v3. i know your joking here but the funny thing is ppl on the forums are so serious when they say stuff like this. they are asking for all these nefs so they become better.

BTW if you have a super so called mesmer why were u not able to when the 2v3 when your staff ele friend was there?

idk ppl these so called super classes and professions i still havnt seen any evidence that they exist

time for this post to be closed. i read on johnathon sharps reply they are putting in a 1 team v 1 team q so looks like they are scrapping tournaments all together.

like i said before im happy either way i actually am more happy now that i know i can do paids whenever i want.

to bad we didnt get a dev reply to this i was actually interested in what they would have said.

leman.7682:

I will refrain from posting in this thread. OP is just a guy who seems to have no life outside of the game and is ready to fight any argument put in front of him with unbelievable ferocity and without even at least trying to understand other points of view.

The manner in which you answer and the way you organise your posts shows your lack of respect to other posters.

Sataarcoeny, I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

This definitely isn’t a person I enjoy talking to.

i think you just accidently posted bro. and i been reading the QQ nerf this post nerf that post for over 4 months now so dont tell me im not trying to understand. i do understand even after 4 months ppl are to lazy to ask someone for help in understanding how to play.

i understand the nerf this and that posters are wanting the game to become simple becasue they dont want to L2P

i understand that me offering ppl help is making ppl very angry because when i do talk i tell it like i see it and when they realise they are acting like lazy ppl expecting everything handed to them they are mad.

so after understanding (not trying to understand) ppl on here i told you my reply to it. it makes me sick and it needs to stop/

Fellknight.4820:

This post is simply an indepth look into the mind of a moron.

Because 1 guy is good at a warrior the class is balanced lmfao no that warrior is simply a better player than you.

You don’t balance things from the top you idiot you balance them from the middle the average, percentages, do you even understand that?

A great pvper will make copper into gold, sadly when given a OP class they’ll turn a mortal into a god.

There’s never been an MMO that one guy didn’t turn a bad class into something that looked good. But when that class has higher than a 20% represention in the top tiered players, common sense would dicate it isn’t that all the players that roled that class all happened to be the best pvper’s but the class itself is OP.

so what your saying is instead of L2P and get good like hman (for example) we should nerf everything? and sense hman is the only warrior because it to hard of a class to play they should buff it so more ppl play it? wouldnt that make hman able to 1v5 in paids all day? (and you call me an idiot)

who are these op players on op classes you are referring to? i havnt seen any bad players on a mesmer or thief that were gods and they did all these super things you ppl are talking about

it seems from your comment that you have never taken the time to L2P in any mmos it seems like from what you said you been QQ ing about op classes in a lot of MMO’s and that makes me sick.

you do understand every class every trait is tested against eachother thats why the game takes so long to be made. nerfs dont come a balance issue they come from a skill cap issue. ANET expected a lot more skilled players in this game thats why they said it will be esports. thats why i came to this game.

but this game is about individual skill put into a 5 man team setting its kinda weird how you have to be a team player but have individual skill all at the same time and truthfully as much as it saddens me to say were at that point were its enough you either are ready to learn to play or you need to realize this game isnt for you. but if anymore nerfs go on this game will be at a state of the game were u have to have certain traits certain eletes play certain classes to compete and thats not what GUILD WARS 2 is.

Oracle Fefe.5078:

This has gone on for far too long.
SAt, you’ve bought up good points on your post. Yes, people should learn to cope with imbalances or cheapness. I personally believe no one gets anywhere by complaining and if they want to become better they have to go with the flow of the game (Despite it being against them) and figure out ways to defeat a particular class through strange means (I enjoy most of Defektive’s builds for such a case of originality.). People should “fail better” in a sense and in my opinion.
However, the way you presented your point is flame-war worthy and shows absolutely no modesty or humbleness. It was that fact which caused many people to not only disagree, but call you out on your other posts. L2P is not mean in your regards, but in actuality you’re beckoning people to reply back because you’re belittling them. You constantly show no modesty and an extreme prideful arrogance by continuing to tell people to go to you as if you’re the messiah that will lead people out of some dark age, or even someone sneak-advertising to get “popular” with the masses for some sort of likes or subscribers or +1s.

Fourth is right. The only info you’ve actually shared that actually concerns game strategy is to keep distance from a melee class (As if new players didn’t already know that..) and time enemies CDs.
Alongside that, you’ve constantly been snarky or downright elitist to people who have disagreed with you right from the getgo. One of your posts states that you’re fine with people disagreeing with you but then later on say “some ppl have to QQ instead of L2P.”

If you truly want your word to go out to the populace and change up mindsets, you have to show at least a form of respect in your posts. L2P and QQ terms are usually, if not always, disrespectful. You can tell a person to learn about something, but the terms you are using can really beckon a person to just come and argue with you especially if they do not know you. Make videos also even as they better show who you are as a player rather than simple talking and pics.
In the AC3 community there are two guys who aren’t quite the humblest of people, but they make videos and good points and they are well known and usually respected. They know when certain words could be taking it too far past the line between “acceptable” and “elitist”.

Tl;dr: Yes, I’m attacking you and your post structure. I’d suggest to stop using derogatory terms to “help” people. If you really want to help, be tolerant, respond to things they say with a calm tone, offer to “pm” only once, in bold, in your starting post instead of telling random people that if they arent good pm you. If you really really want to help, start a playlist of tutorials, howtos, or general info on a video site or a guide/infographic on a forum. Trust me, you’ll be doing more good with that for both the game and you as a player.

for all the readers that actually did want advice they have been whispering me in game and sending me mails so part of what i wanted to do has been done ppl know if they need help there is ppl out there that can help. and i have said plenty of ways in here on what we do to avoid ppl so called op classes please go read it all again.

i dont understand what you mean by i need to change my personality to help ppl that is false. i been helping ppl sense day one of this game. if ppl get mad that im sick of the QQ that is on them they have no right to attack me for it. from all the whispers and ppl that jumped in my mumble today im not the only one.

please link to me were i said “your not good whisper me in game” i have and still say if you dont know something you need to LEARN it if you dont know how to play that doesnt mean your bad you just need to l2p so me telling someone if they dont know what to do against a thief i say if you want to L2P whisper me in game i will teach you how to kill the thief and that is great thats what i want. i dont want ppl saying i cant kill thief let me go QQ im sick of that.

also im not the only one that can teach ppl how to play i have a friends list full of ppl so when ppl whisper me in game if i cant help i always have someone who can.

sorry bro my personality makes me me i cant change it. im an old dog

DaliIndica.9041:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

DaliIndica.9041:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

@dalincida please read under my name it says dont make fun of my spelling. i never L2S (im sure you know what that stands for) i had a different up brinning then you so that is very much a sensitive subject for me.

Point still stands, you come off as an elitist moron who has nothing to back up their claims. The game has balance issues, anyone claiming otherwise needs to wise up. What those issues are is a point for discussion, unless you are suggesting this is somehow a magical game that is perfectly balanced, something which no MMO has ever been able to do, let alone a 6 months from launch.

ignoring your first 2 comments cause your trying to bait me into a infraction with your sillyness kid.

your interpretation of me is wrong on so many lvls “elitist”? i help everyone. “moron” because i type so fast and dont bother with grammar because my mind keeps racing with thoughts that i make many threads about that many ppl agree with? (do on google and tell me all the smart ppl know how to spell and have proper grammar"

this game has no balance issies unles u look at this game from a 1v1 perspective then i agree with you. to bad this is not a 1v1 game and if you wise up you can L2P guild wars 2 (this is not solo man2) whisper me in game if you need help against super mesmers or thiefs i can help you bro thats why im here.

and yes as stated in the SOTG by vain “this is the most balanced game he has played”

i understand you want to poke at me but i still see in your replys u want to get defend QQ ing but truthfully it wont help this game

Making up that I was QQing in order to make you feel better are you now? well that is a pretty basic and simply approach to getting your point across. I do not need help with Mesmers as I can handle them very easily. Why you thought I couldnt is beyond me. But just because I find them easy enough to deal with doesnt mean that they are fine, perhaps someone else may have a different opinion. I just don’t see it a point in assuming I know everything about everything. Unlike you.

I do enjoy how you never answer anyone directly, you make something up, get owned, then make something else up in order to try and appear that you have a clue as to what you are talking about.

Your spelling (lack of) doesn’t suggest anything to me, English may not be your first language. But your idiotic approach to a debate, your frankly bizarre boasts really do expose you as little more than a child up past his bed time.

If you are right in what you say, we should not see any patch notes for PVP ever again unless its to add new content. But I think we all know how you will respond if they do though, you will claim “oh they listened to the forum QQers”. Stop posting as you haven’t a clue what your talking about and its VERY obvious.

great you can handle mesmers so instead of posting silly insults how about you help the community by teaching others how to handle mesmers. your in a delusional fight between you and me that i am not apart of your attacking me and asking why im not reponding well its simple im here helping ppl so i wont respond directly back to your attacks.

and if you read anything i write i do want changes i want buffs to so many skills and traits to make this game more variety more metas and eventually more exciting so we go ESPORTS.

edit (i do know everything about everything duh im SAtaarcoeny)

Valkyriez.6578:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

DaliIndica.9041:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

@dalincida please read under my name it says dont make fun of my spelling. i never L2S (im sure you know what that stands for) i had a different up brinning then you so that is very much a sensitive subject for me.

Point still stands, you come off as an elitist moron who has nothing to back up their claims. The game has balance issues, anyone claiming otherwise needs to wise up. What those issues are is a point for discussion, unless you are suggesting this is somehow a magical game that is perfectly balanced, something which no MMO has ever been able to do, let alone a 6 months from launch.

ignoring your first 2 comments cause your trying to bait me into a infraction with your sillyness kid.

your interpretation of me is wrong on so many lvls “elitist”? i help everyone. “moron” because i type so fast and dont bother with grammar because my mind keeps racing with thoughts that i make many threads about that many ppl agree with? (do on google and tell me all the smart ppl know how to spell and have proper grammar"

this game has no balance issies unles u look at this game from a 1v1 perspective then i agree with you. to bad this is not a 1v1 game and if you wise up you can L2P guild wars 2 (this is not solo man2) whisper me in game if you need help against super mesmers or thiefs i can help you bro thats why im here.

and yes as stated in the SOTG by vain “this is the most balanced game he has played”

i understand you want to poke at me but i still see in your replys u want to get defend QQ ing but truthfully it wont help this game

You just quoted Vain in the SOTG. Go and listen to the SOTG again.

Vain also states that more classes need skill shots, time warp needs to be changed so that its not so essential in 5v5 and particularly team fights (I.e it needs a smaller radius and a negative effect) and Vain also thinks Portal should be changed to be used by the Mesmer and Mesmer only.

All points I agree with. Don’t use one comment by Vain exclusively but then whinge and kitten about people asking for changes to mesmer Timewarp and Portal when the same person endorses those comments.

Snap.

well i only agree with him saying this game is the most balanced and its not just a quote from him. most everyone i know says the same thing. and if i was on the SOTG i would have rebuttled vain when he said those silly things.

i dont care who it is the QQ nerf this or nerf that needs to stop im sick of it.

Braxxus.2904:

When many people call you out as having a bad elitist attitude then chances are it’s because that’s how you come off. Of course barring a few select players that seems to be the standard behavior/personality of the ‘pros’ here on the forums.

Also no matter how many times you say “TEAM!” and “not 1v1!” it really doesn’t change the fact that the larger proportion of the playerbase isn’t interested in jumping through the hoops, arsekissing, and sillyness it takes to organize their life around a team. Nor does it change the fact that more people would be interested in 1v1 balance and small scale (1v1, 2v2, 3v3) pvp which is much more conducive to playing with some friends than they are with the whole ‘pro team yo!’ style of 5v5.

This has pretty much held true with PvP in recent MMO’s as a collective whole as well. People like duels, people enjoy seeing who is the better player in 1v1’s. People have expressed this constantly in game after game after game. Yet the reply is always “but but TEAM! 1v1’s can never be balanced! It’ll remove class diversity!” and all the other myths which attempt to cover up the truth that “1v1 balance is harder than hiding behind a group-based-game defense, so why bother”.

Constantly saying “I’m awesome, you’re bad, L2P” (yes that’s what your posts sound like no matter how much you try to say that’s not what you’re saying) is meaningless beyond stroking your own kitten. Especially when you reduce yourself to the ridiculousness of bragging about your 1337 math skillz yo and how your kid is brilliant because he learned to walk, of course because of your crazy swag parenting skills dawg.

/eyeroll

i dont know how you exspect my attitude to be with a post titled “im sick of it” i came in here to tell QQ ers they are wrong this game is balanced for 5man pvp. just because you cant come up with strats or map awareness and you either get back capped or insta gibbed because your necro didnt throw a fear mark on you knowing a thief was incomeing or you got bull rushed 100B because your guard didnt give you stability… those are all L2P tips i just gave you for free. so dont tell me about my attitude when im helping ppl.

this is not a 1v1 game get it in your head its that simple. when ppl ask me to 1v1 i laugh at them because its silly. if you want to play gears of war or bomberman we can 1v1 because those are games were everything is the same (the only way for perfect 1v1 balance) sorry your bubble got bursted but its a fact. so there is no point in QQ about it. i wish i was 20 again being 25 is hard but there is no point in QQ about it how would that help? so what i do is i go the the gym and stay an extra 10 min to keep my build.

you ppl as stated before are in the wrong mind state. you need to put in the work for results. asking for ANET to nerf everything isnt going to help you it will actually make things worse another example is my kid likes to play games also so i have a game room for him with the kinect so he stays fit also. i put the volleyball game on hard so he gets better. i would never consider putting it on easy because i want him growing up in the mind mentality that pushing yourself is good. because it is and it pays off plese try it ppl stop QQ JUST L2P the right way and you will enjoy this game i promise.

and i never said anyone is bad just not experienced in the correct way i even said i need to L2P. please read before you post replys like this. and using examples from my real life to help you understand saddens me when all you do is take the wrong meaning from it. yes my kid is brilliant and so is my girl but the point of that was you shouldnt ask to get babyed so you will get better sooner.

Pyrial.2917:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

Pyrial.2917:

jportell.2197:

Mufa.1326:

Oh, it is the ‘I-am-the-champ-of-the-game-noone-plays-measured-by-grind-metric’ guy.

I assume you are a mesmer. By the fact that mesmers are consider pretty much a must-have in current teams you know that in top rankings (for 5v5 conquest) you would have more than 20% mesmers. That is almost double the ideal balance point (12.5%). That is considered severely OP (you essentially destroy presence of one whole class).

They need to give us ranked ques (1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 5v5) and start balancing from there.
You define balance as having the same representation for all classes in top rankings (top100&top500) (about 12.5 for each class).

You balance first dmg with 1v1.
Once that is done (dmg balanced) you start balancing 2v2-3v3 with combo fields and diminishing returns on group effects of skills (buffs/aoe dmg etc).
Further you balance 3v3 and 5v5 with further diminishing returns and nerfing skills/utilities/elites that benefit large groups the most (TW, portal,… you know, stuff that makes you guys severely OP in group settings )

The name of the game is GUILD WARS… GROUP Utility is freaking part of it! They will not make it a 1v1 based system because it has no place in the entire game. If every class was balanced based off 1v1 then the classes would lose their uniqueness… BTW whoever think engineers still suck seriously an engineer with a net turret/flame thrower and bomb kit can hold a point easy… not to mention supply drop which is OMGERED your whole team is dead cuz I just mega stunned you beezys… If every class was on the same level 1v1 it would defeat the design of the game… Anyone ever wonder why they have 8v8 in sPvP… mmmm how many professions does this game have… Omg DING DING DING DING…

So, because it is not a 1 v 1 game it’s ok for certain professions to be great in a 1 v 1 setting and great in group settings? Makes sense…

see you are very confused i see you need to L2P (not in a bad way just you need to whisper me for advice)

if your saying a mesmer is good in a group then 1v1 you are so wrong its so sad.

heres is a story about your super mesmer that apparently only you have (i really want to play u in paids to see him) he goes home point and caps it places a portal then runs to mid. he blows time warp ASAP so my team backs out and our guard uses santuary and stability for the team.

during this SAtaarcoeny tells skovex im going to hit the mesmer go to there point now. SAtaarcoeny hits the mesmer 4 times makes him use distortion and a heal.

back to the super mesmer only u have. the mesmer sees his home is being capped so he portals back. now with no elite no heal no distortion a wasted utility because it was used for portal he has to try and beat a fresh face……. you tell me when he wins that fight 1v1.

again please know what you are talking about before you post silly nerf stuff cause you just look silly and it all goes back to a L2P.

i enjoy telling you guys how to play and think if we keep this post up then a lot of readers taking my train of thought and emplemiting it into there playstyle will become a lot better

All I really need to say to this is, “ROFL”!

You have no understanding of what you just wrote…

Let anyone blow cd’s in a team fight and forced into a 1 v 1 and that’s going to happen, the problem (as I was stating in reference to the other person’s post was) mesmers excel in BOTH areas of the game. 1 v 1 AND team fights, let that sink in and reread the post I was responding to. Perhaps you need to “l2read”, not in a bad way. You can whisper me in game and I’ll give you some pointers.

im sure you think mesmers excel in both 1v1 and team fights but you are mistaken. if you dont blow any cool downs you just portal back to point when vyndetta is there let me know how well your super mesmer does. i didnt see you in paids tonight so you can show me. maybe tomorrow.

but reading it again you say mesmers excel in both i could say the same for any class.

warriors can cleave 5 ppl down in 1 sec or 1v1 1 person in 1 sec.

engis can aoe stun aoe damage and in a solo fight outlast and rez themselvs.

eles have awesome group aura share plus 6k heals on group every 10-15 seconds

i can keep going but i dont think you have done anything other then hotjoin so this isnt getting through to you. your just here to troll not learn.

Mufa.1326:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

Pyrial.2917:

ITT: Everyone l2p except mesmers

Seriously though, how do you beat a shatter mesmer as a warrior?

ask hman because he beats me 7 out of 10 times as a warrior.
(im going to tell you to L2P and that isnt mean. it means find a warrior who can do it aka HMAN and ask him to teach you)
you just need to L2P

This is again nonsense. +Learn-to-Think again for you.

Not everyone has skill level that hman has. One player does not prove anything since hman can be 5 skill levels above you and 2 skill levels above everyone else in the game. If mesmer and warrior were balanced 1v1 hman would maybe be defeating you 1000:1. (or maybe if balance goes other way (I doubt) you would be beating him.
Even if there was ranked 1v1 que and hman was ranked 1st it gives very little info on where warriors as a class are balance-wise (what if the next ranked warrior is in 153rd place?).

What is needed is statistical data on 1v1 (ranked que by (account,class) ). Only when warriors as a class and mesmers as a class have similar representation in top100 and top500, people will stop complaining and QQ will stop. Understand that. You cannot tell them “look at hman”, it means nothing.

And the same thing with you mentioning ‘using warrior in your team’ or ‘using engineer in your team’. It means nothing, with sufficient skill a player can compensate for severe imbalances (underpowered) of the class. But that is a single player, it gives almost no information about how balanced the class is.

so i go play paids and your still on here making 0 sence i never said “go look at hman” i said"ask hman"

and i mention we have classes we run with that are not what you qq ppl say are “OP must have classes” what i am doing is disproving your silly ness.

and again you are saying if i wasant such an op class that i would lose everytime? well i will just say to you try hoping on a mesmer hop in paids so i can show you how wrong you are.

but the one thing you did say that made sence was not everyone has same skill as hman. so when you and the rest of the ppl QQ ing about nerf 110b frenzy its silly cause just because 1 person is good you want to nerf the class??/ thats silly. how about you L2P so then nothing seems op to u

DaliIndica.9041:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

@dalincida please read under my name it says dont make fun of my spelling. i never L2S (im sure you know what that stands for) i had a different up brinning then you so that is very much a sensitive subject for me.

Point still stands, you come off as an elitist moron who has nothing to back up their claims. The game has balance issues, anyone claiming otherwise needs to wise up. What those issues are is a point for discussion, unless you are suggesting this is somehow a magical game that is perfectly balanced, something which no MMO has ever been able to do, let alone a 6 months from launch.

ignoring your first 2 comments cause your trying to bait me into a infraction with your sillyness kid.

your interpretation of me is wrong on so many lvls “elitist”? i help everyone. “moron” because i type so fast and dont bother with grammar because my mind keeps racing with thoughts that i make many threads about that many ppl agree with? (do on google and tell me all the smart ppl know how to spell and have proper grammar"

this game has no balance issies unles u look at this game from a 1v1 perspective then i agree with you. to bad this is not a 1v1 game and if you wise up you can L2P guild wars 2 (this is not solo man2) whisper me in game if you need help against super mesmers or thiefs i can help you bro thats why im here.

and yes as stated in the SOTG by vain “this is the most balanced game he has played”

i understand you want to poke at me but i still see in your replys u want to get defend QQ ing but truthfully it wont help this game

Chi Malady.2015:

People like the topic creator act like the rest of us haven’t played thief or mesmer ourselves. We’ve all tried those classes so we’ve experienced how OP they are first hand.

Pretty much everyone has a thief and/or mesmer alt these days because they’re so ridiculously OP.

ok so how bout you bring your super op thief or mesmer into paids tonight so i can show you how absolutely wrong you are.

ppl with this absolutely wrong idea about the game is what leads to the NERF NERF NERF posts. but i still have yet to see these god mesmers and thiefs you guys QQ about.

leashmaygoss.2140:

Engineers have been nerfed for the past 3 patches, pick on something else.

they will start QQ ing about your engi and its sad. instead of learning to counter it they will want the easy way out.

and im sick of it

Mufa.1326:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

….im awake 22 hours a day….

Really dude….you just need to stop posting and embarrassing yourself….even in the best case, if the nonsense you post was true (and it certainly has no relationship with reality), it is called bragging and it is not socially acceptable.

Just stop and go grind your QP…….I am starting to feel very sorry and embarrassed for you. You know, it’s like when you watch very embarrassing moments in movies…..

yes becasue i would brag about insomnia. (a mental diseased brought on by high lvls of think and/or past) but yes everyone that plays with me or played with me asks how i play so much and still have a family knows my life story. im sorry you have to go to insults becasue you points are not valid and you call ppl no lifers is just silly man. its uncalled for and if you dont know ppl you shouldnt say stuff cause you just look silly.

but yes i am going to stop posting on this thread becasue i am about to start paids so TTYL let me know in game if you ever need help finding a team i can help you with that. no need to be the best 1v1 er if there is no 1v1 in this game.

DaShi.1368:

Suggested changes to balance the Mesmer:

1. Damaging the clones (including shattering) hurts the mesmer.
2. Portal has the same range as blink and also can’t cross walls or gaps like blink.
3. Time warp requires the mesmer to enter an inactive meditation state for the duration. Recharge increased by 30 seconds and duration reduced by 5 seconds.
4. Moa morph affects both the target and the mesmer.
5. Blurred frenzy applies 20 seconds of bleeding on the mesmer. Damage reduced 30%. Recharging increased by 20 seconds.
6. Temporal Curtain pull range is reduced to 300. Pull cannot pull people off ledges.
7. Iarget stands in iWarden for more than 1 second, that target is now healed instead of damaged.
8. Magic bullet can now hit allies.
9. Confusion now only works for a target’s #5 skill.
10. Mesmer armor is now capped at 1000; health at 15000.
11. Mesmers must spend boons in order to complete shatters.
12. Mesmers suffer from poison while invisible and are still targetable.
13. Clones no longer have the name of the mesmer. Instead, they say clone. In addition, they are shaded a deep purple.
14. Mesmers now take twice as much damage from warriors.
15. Mesmers cannot damage guardians.
16. In accordance with its name, null field now does nothing.
17. Chaos storm has equal chance of applying boons and conditions to both allies and enemies.
18. Chaos armor has chance of applying boons to enemies that hit the mesmer and conditions on the mesmer when hit.
19. Swap following illusionary leap will only work 50% of the time.
20. Illusionary wave also pushes the mesmer back acting as a knockdown.

Maybe now people will be able to have a chance against mesmers.

great reply you forgot to add they shouldnt even be allowed to play in tournaments.

Mufa.1326:

@DXIEdge.2789 and rest of the ppl congratulating sataar and kissing his kitten:
If you do not understand just how badly sataar lost this discussion, at which point he pulled L2P trick (which lead to his further embarrassment):
you guys have an empty slot that needs upgrade. Allow me to recommend rune of intelligence….

this is uncalled for you have tried changing this discussion into something else the same way your trying to change this game into a 1v1 game. my L2P means ask ppl for help on tips and tricks if you read this forum you would see that. it is by no means belittling anyone its only saying if you dont know ask for help.

the old joke back in my day was men never wanted to ask for directions even if they couldnt read a map. i apply that to my every day life i ask for help if i need it. i dont QQ and say hey i cant find your place can you please move somewere else because that would be silly.

@dalincida please read under my name it says dont make fun of my spelling. i never L2S (im sure you know what that stands for) i had a different up brinning then you so that is very much a sensitive subject for me.

@mufa i wish you were not wrong so much but im surry we dont have another mesmer that plays. we have dirtyfour but he plays maybe 1-3 times a month.

i dont recall saying mesmer was or was not balanced can you please link that? i did say buff moa can you please L2R and stop your silly replies that have nothing to do with ppl need to stop QQ ing. why are you telling me to make another team from other ppls teams because i dont have mesmers or thiefs this is getting silly.

calling ppl no lifers is silly also. im awake 22 hours a day and do what everyone else does in a day plus more. again you are speaking on stuff you have no idea about and that is silly.

if you only care about yourself then now i understand all your QQ but your kind is why i made this post your QQ is sickning and detrimental to the game it needs to stop. just because you want a 1v1 game doesnt mean the game is unballanced it just means you dont want to L2P the game.

lastly i didnt say cruck is really good you need to l2p i said if you just want to 1v1 then ask cruck he is really good and if the game ever has a 1v1 tournament then you can help me l2p that. please L2R before you change my words around kid.
cheers.

DaliIndica.9041:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

leman.7682:

I come in peace since all my friends left and I just don’t give a kitten about this game anymore. Anyways, the problem with this game is gimmicky mechanics that are hard for new players to counter.

Stealth is the major problem. I have learned to dodge warrior skillshots almost immediately during BWE, while learning to counter thieves and mesmers took me much, much longer.
A new casual player joining hotjoin games and being stabbed by two stealthed thieves will more probably just “Alt+F4, Control Panel, Uninstall a program, Delete (+ utilise box + CDs in the proper trashcan)” than stay and sacrifice hours of gameplay to counter these things, unless he’s a dedicated PvPer.

We all know that dedicated PvPers won’t make a successful e-sport.

And Sataar coming after having played 3000 games and saying L2P to the new players is just hilarious, I’ll gladly take the popcorn offered by Fuzion.

so by my definition of L2P telling new players to ask for advice you say that is hilarious? i dont understand your point there.

i would think a new player asking advice and learnig to play better would be a great idea?

your saying you would rather just keep nerfing everything until a new player can come into the game and on his first day when a paid tournament?

again im staying away from insults here but serious please read the thread befor you comment other wise i think your in here to just troll and thats silly. even if you dont play the game dont say stuff to hurt helping ppl.

Once the xmas rush dies down a little, I am sure you will learn 2 enjoy your ever increasing queue times, and empty servers. You could write a blog about why they game died in PVP terms, bring up issues such as everyone just failed to learn how to play the game. Maybe use some data to show the class popularity to further your points and some other evidence. Once you have done it and have a few people who all agree with what you say and call you a genius, I hope it soothes the fact that no one wants to play a badly balanced PVP game where when you start out, you get killed in less than a second.

Also, if you dont like what anyone has to say, learn 2 dodge the comments. You is just a bad. Learn how to not make a fool of yourself. (Annoying, isn’t it)

im sorry that you never made it to the real pvp and you think the game is not ballanced. i agree with you hot join is a bad place to judge the game. but that is the reason we are asking for a advanced option and make free for 1 or 2 ppl to q together.

i dont know what you are asking me when you say annoying? you mean your post about the game dieing after christmas rush? school started yesterday technically ending christmas rush and the game is fine so yes its a little annoying ppl talking about stuff they are completely wrong about.

ty davinchi thats what we need. real ideas how to get ppl into pvp.

remember in school when dont understand algebra then they called ppl like me to tutor them. there is nothing wrong if some ppl need more time to learn or if some ppl started late eventually everyone who tries learns algebra.

so like davinchi says lets get advanced option were you can have full teams vs full teams abd lets make frees were single or 2 ppl can q up for a tournament.

my son was walking at 6 months old and yes that is good its usually 9 months old and the way i did that was when he would cry for a toy i would put a box i made for him next to him stood him up put his hands on it then he walked over to the toy fell down and played with it. (yes he needed a little help so thats what he got.)

you ppl on the forums are to old to be babyed like you are asking for and all this crying to the devs is rediculous. im sure they have there own kids to listen to.

and to leman im glad u still play just please dont say what im saying is hilerious cause im being serious ATM this QQ stuff gotta stop

leman.7682:

I come in peace since all my friends left and I just don’t give a kitten about this game anymore. Anyways, the problem with this game is gimmicky mechanics that are hard for new players to counter.

Stealth is the major problem. I have learned to dodge warrior skillshots almost immediately during BWE, while learning to counter thieves and mesmers took me much, much longer.
A new casual player joining hotjoin games and being stabbed by two stealthed thieves will more probably just “Alt+F4, Control Panel, Uninstall a program, Delete (+ utilise box + CDs in the proper trashcan)” than stay and sacrifice hours of gameplay to counter these things, unless he’s a dedicated PvPer.

We all know that dedicated PvPers won’t make a successful e-sport.

And Sataar coming after having played 3000 games and saying L2P to the new players is just hilarious, I’ll gladly take the popcorn offered by Fuzion.

so by my definition of L2P telling new players to ask for advice you say that is hilarious? i dont understand your point there.

i would think a new player asking advice and learnig to play better would be a great idea?

your saying you would rather just keep nerfing everything until a new player can come into the game and on his first day when a paid tournament?

again im staying away from insults here but serious please read the thread befor you comment other wise i think your in here to just troll and thats silly. even if you dont play the game dont say stuff to hurt helping ppl.

Fourth.1567:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

so we need to sttop nerfing and start buffing stuff so there is more options so there can be new metas right?

it seems in my mind im trying to say what you are saying but writing it jsut doesnt work.

ppl are trying to take the easy way out but the easy way out isnt going to make it to esports. when you watch the olympics and you see someone go that extra mile do that harder thing it pays off if its successful but if they fail it it has big consequences

go big or go home i say. take moa for example i may have been moa 5 times in tournaments because i paid attention. so i was ok with the old moa they took a big risk trying it so they get the reward. but the community QQ so hard because they didnt want to learn how to dodge it now they nerfed it so hard you will never see it again.

my point is keep nerfing everything it will eventually all be gone except 1 meta everyone has same utilities same elites and then the game is to boring not only to watch but to play also. this is not the game KRYSHADE told me about and the community for a competitve game is not what it should be.

we should have forum posts on hoe to make game more exciteing talking about how to over come challenges we should be calling other teams out in a friendly manner. not all this QQ stuff or getting serious saying ppl are not good and belittling them.

What does this have to do with new players dieing to burst specs? Their problem is they aren’t taking optimal advantage of their active defense and high burst damage punish this. What can be buffed, rather than nerfed to help this relationship while having a minimal impact on higher level of plays?

you cant nerf a spec because a new player died to it that makes absolutley no sense. imagine if math stopped at pre algebra because some ppl wernt smart enough or didnt spend time to learn it. that would make for a great world huh? no geometry no algebra 2 no calculus.

everytime you ppl defend QQ ing it makes me throw up in my mouth a little. more variety more challenges makes ppl better makes the world and game more entertaining.

i will go over all the mesmer skills later on and put my idea of what can be buffed and how it could be and how it will make the game more interesting.

Kirei.1792:

Fourth.1567:

I can’t agree with sataar. This whole thread is just full of him boasting rather than trying to progress towards a resolution. I think the only piece of advice given was keep your distance from a warrior and watch the enemy mesmer’s timewarp cd and positioning. There is also no consideration for what new players experience. Top players just saying L2P to new players is like asking the game to be guillotined from the bottom up.

what was this post about again? i just hear hqman or something, and 70 % win, and 8 of the 10 post l2p issues…
we know ur good satarcoeny, but its not good to get kitteny and call urself best and call other people l2p, instead of saying l2p, Learn people how to play. teach them tricks, how to counter what and what. what does people have issues against? what can they do to counter that? show it in a vid or something, nobody cares about ur win/lose rates lol

i guess you only read the TLDR part at the end because if you read the post you would have seen i didnt say i was the best i put that at the TLDR part just to see how many ppl actually come in here to get better or if its just ppl that want to troll.

i dont need to make a video on how to play i can just as easily tell ppl what i do and they can take that info and use it or not either way is fine with me but you guys need to stop the QQ and figure out solutions first.

i dont understand the reason ppl think they should just be handed greatness without trying to become great themselves? IRL must be really hard with that mindset for a lot of ppl.

Seether.7285:

I don’t need to L2P when my team beat your team over 80% of the time we ever faced you. Just because someone has a different opinion than you does not mean they need to L2P or that you are better than them.

I want to make this game better for ESports and these two mesmer abilities have no comparable abilities available to other classes. If they really want to keep these two abilities which are unparalled by anything else, then other classes should have a near replica to promote greater comp diversity.

Also, just claiming they asked for your build doesn’t mean kitten and given all the BS you continual spout I give it no validity, sorry. The fact that you alluded to me being jealous is hilarious and shows how your twisted, egotistical thought process operates.

then you can dissagree with me thats fine i never made this post saying we are all sick of it. some ppl have to QQ instead of L2P.

im glad you beat me 80% of the time i never said i dont need to L2P actually the opposite i said i still L2P better every day.

your approach to how you come at me is so absolutely wrong though. dont say im bad or ppl are better then me or whatever else you were saying just say you disagree and then tell me why you want ppl to keep QQ and tell me why you want to nerf everything. all you say is sat is bad other mesmers are better and nerf so and so its op?

i need some reasons why so i can then take your reasons and hopefully show you why i disagree with you.

Fourth.1567:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

Shukran.4851:

assuming anet has a bunch of competent programmer to balance the game, why are u so mad about qq on the forum? you are 4months late and waking up now with this kind of thread is silly.
you know, for anyone is more simple qq on forum than l2p and ask advice from players.
you wasted your time..but maybe u were waiting for paid to pop

because the game is getting less skill capped by the day it seems and i think its because of all the QQ from ppl that need to L2P.

i hear from 2 sides all day. 1 side is its to hard lets QQ all day instead of L2P and the other side is this game is being turned into a viva pienata party game were the whole family can sit down and be lvl 80 and play it then if they suck they can qq instead of learning how to play.

im just sick of it. i want this to go to esports (yes imma get quated and say it will never go but whatever) for that to happen it needs to be interesting and for that to happen we need to stop all this silly QQ and l2p.

You need to understand how a game gets to esports. Telling people to L2P doesn’t do that, it does the opposite as it avoids the root of the issue. For the game to be an esport there needs to be a viewer base, ie. from a casual player base. This is nearly non-existant right now which is partially due to the new player walking out of the gate and getting instagibbed without proper warning by the specs that are QQ’d about. Sure it can be fine at higher levels of play but for people starting out IT IS VERY BAD.

If you want the game to succeed the meta is going to have to shift to something that is less toxic at entry level, even if you find it is fine. The only reason that makes sense to tell players to L2P rather than address the core issue is out of fear of a meta shift and your ability to adjust.

so we need to sttop nerfing and start buffing stuff so there is more options so there can be new metas right?

it seems in my mind im trying to say what you are saying but writing it jsut doesnt work.

ppl are trying to take the easy way out but the easy way out isnt going to make it to esports. when you watch the olympics and you see someone go that extra mile do that harder thing it pays off if its successful but if they fail it it has big consequences

go big or go home i say. take moa for example i may have been moa 5 times in tournaments because i paid attention. so i was ok with the old moa they took a big risk trying it so they get the reward. but the community QQ so hard because they didnt want to learn how to dodge it now they nerfed it so hard you will never see it again.

my point is keep nerfing everything it will eventually all be gone except 1 meta everyone has same utilities same elites and then the game is to boring not only to watch but to play also. this is not the game KRYSHADE told me about and the community for a competitve game is not what it should be.

we should have forum posts on hoe to make game more exciteing talking about how to over come challenges we should be calling other teams out in a friendly manner. not all this QQ stuff or getting serious saying ppl are not good and belittling them.