Guild Wars 2

its here finally (the 28th)

today is the day everything will be better. the full glass is full plus we will drink it and it will be refilled 10 times

Ayestes.1273:

It just meant you cherry picked the traits out of each tree with 10 or 20 points in every line. It wasn’t that great. Consider now with most of the traits being as bad as they are with only a couple of good ones how quickly everyone would be the same build even more then they already are.

What I’d really like in general, is just a major cleaning up of all the bad stuff in every profession. The skills that aren’t often even worth a key press and the traits no experienced player would ever take. Each profession is littered with these noob traps that sounds good on paper to someone new to the game, but are absolute garbage.

yes this is a big thing i want also. lets make all the other traits and skills viable

Jonny.9370:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

give us the warriors all buffs elite

Warriors don’t have an “All buffs” elite. Every class can do what the warriors are doing if they wanted to. I’m not gonna tell you what it is though cuz I don’t feel like being helpful :P

And the reason they probably don’t release patch notes early is because all the QQ that occurs after the patch, will just start occurring before it. No, don’t buff class X. Why nerf class Y. How come no fix for bug Z? Wut u mean new subscription policy?

wtfbbq.

i been looking for my supper boon elite on 46 sec cooldown for the past 2 hours and cant find it. can u please be helpful and help me find it. (im mesmer btw)

Arheundel.6451:

jportell.2197:

Arheundel.6451:

leman.7682:

Can I please ask Arheundel.6451 to stop protecting ele on every possible occasion and think, for one moment think, reasonably and realise that eles are too strong compared to other professions.

I have a feeling that you are just afraid of not being op anymore and having to actually work to win.

For me, the most crucial part we need to get is to have more build diversity for some professions.

Me, like others , don’t blindly defend this profession.
We use data, numbers and videos to enforce our case, on the other side people simply expect Anet to take their opinion as a matter of fact without any actual data.
Before release , people were already crying for nerfs on ele , people were calling OP the s/d burst or the staff burst O_o, then after few months people started to say thate ele burst was too easy to dodge and that’s true.
This time is just another l2p issue and like everytime it’s much easier to cry on forums rather than try to adapt and get better.
Have you got a single video ( that it’s not WvWvW) where you can show your fight against this “too” strong ele or we’re just supposed to take your word for granted?

P.S can you pls show me this OP build I am apparently using now? People keep saying that I’m running this unbeatable OP build, so go on and show me this uber build

Here again I am not saying that Ele’s need a massive nerf or a nerf at all. Not a single one. But how you are defending your profession reminds me of how I defended the Mesmer profession on numerous occasions. And you know what? Build diversity really is there for every class. I hope they don’t nerf ele’s. I wish they would rebuff mesmers (really annoying that we cant summon on a blind dodge or block instead of the first attack of the clone/phantasm missing.) But I do feel where you are coming from and I hope that your class doesn’t get destroyed. But coming from a class that has gotten “destroyed” on several occasions I can tell you that it won’t cripple you guys completely and you will adapt.

yeah we will adapt np, I can assure you that many of us are not even running the 0/10/0/30/30 build and still demolish people with it, in some situation I can use a skirmish tactic with d/d or s/d in other situation I can go staff and demolish people from distance while kiting them with cantrips, snare and roll back.
In the end those who were wishing for the destruction of the class will be disappointed like every time, at most the FOTM crowd will go but the good eles will remain and nothing will change for those complaing about eles

grats so i take it your done freaking out? you seem to be pro so you have nothing to worry about.

One more day i cant wait.

ele’s are getting nerf rangers getting bug fix mesmers losing portal every other bug and exploit will be fixed. im so excited.

dont be mean he is maybe in here hoping this game will get better on the 28th so he can come back

Boomstin.3460:

Balance is a mess and it won’t be much better any time soon as long as there’s only 2 balance/bugfix devs working on classes.

i think they have more then 2 ppl. but honestly they sold 3 million copies for pve so dont expect the 100 ppl to be priority. good news now is they told us jan-march is our turn

Asomal.6453:

I may be wrong, but I think this January update won’t bring any changes to the PvP, but February’s.

from what i remember they said they are taking vacation so january will be a balance patch and feb-march will be a esport issue patch

2 More Days.

im excited. it fells like christmas in this thread everyone saying what we hope for. lets just hope some of it happens.

remember you cant tell someone they cant hope for something. this is a hope thread not nerf thread there is no place in here for arguments. you can say you hope SAtaarcoeny doesnt get what he hopes for but you cant tell me my hopes are wrong.

Arheundel.6451:

Visionary.5681:

Arheundel, i know kids like to shoot their mouthes off to make themselves feel good…..

….but i digress

Try googling the name of the poster you keep telling, knows nothing about ele’s.

I personally am hoping for bug fixes. Once trait and ability bugs are fixed, they can start balancing skills properly.

Compared to you I don’t feel the urge of calling people names over the internet and neither I do care of you calling me names.
Either way I don’t care who you are and who he is, whose opinion count for me is the developer’s one, because the game belongs to them..not to you or him, I’ve got my opinion and you’ve got yours calling people names won’t make your opinion any stronger I can assure you that

i dont get how u are not getting your replys deleted. you are mean and disrespectful and u personally attack ppl. and u are the only one calling ppl names. please just stay out of my threads from now on. ur doing nothing but argueing with ppls hopes and putting words in ppls mouths for some strange reason.

KarlaGrey.5903:

I recommend not getting your hopes up…too much.

i know we always get dissapointed by i will always be optimistic . my glass stays half full bro

Arheundel.6451:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

Arheundel.6451:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

we know a big balance is coming on the 28th but again a lot of ppl are mad that we have no idea what the balance will be.

My opinion and i stated it before is players should be allowed to know whats coming so we dont get mesmers running around with 25 stacks of might all game and a patch for the update takes so long to roll out it ruins the game for a week or 2.

i know there is a big PR problem and you dont want to tell us because of sudden changes or changes not being made but im sure if you put in final patch notes “any of these changes stated are not final and subject to change” then noone can be mad.

a heads up on what you guys are doing helps keep us in the loop so we can make team changes in advance. this is one of the things the community means by keep talking to us.

my hope for this balance update is

warriors do less damage but get more survive ability

ele down state doesnt refill life

ele cant have constant might/fury (they took it from mes why they leave it on ele)

ele heals are worked on

mes portal is added to all classes

a 1v1 elite is added to mes or moa is put back to normal so were not forced to use time warp. (or take time warp out give us the warriors all buffs elite or the ele heal urself elite or entangle or plauge form, or crate drop) i dont mind losing timewarp i would take any other classes elite to this one anyway.

ranger fix with the skill that takes every condi off them every 10 seconds.

thief macro capability. give them a GCD like with mesmers

fix guard 15 vuln exploit.

fix every other ability that isnt working as intended

fix every other bug / exploit that ppl mentioned

so as you can see im not to big on nerfing stuff i just want everything working as intended so we can see how balanced the game really is. i hope anet dont do dumb nerfs and make some classes not viable.

cant wait tell the 28th im really excited about 1 team v 1 team. paids pooping all day is gonna be great lets just hope every class can make multiple builds and be viable in it.

What do you guys really want to see happen the 28th?

It seems as you’ve got 0 knowledge of the ele profession in general.
I can link my build and you show me where you can find perma might/fury and huge heals, because only eles who run 2xwater rune,2x monk and 2x sanctuary can obtain this “perma” might/fury you mention and only eles who use cleric amulet can have “huge” heals as they have over 1.2k pts in healing power.

The ele capability of self-healing got nothing to do with the rune stacking exploit, and to ask to nerf the healing aspect of the ele is the same as to nerf the clones of mesmers, without heals and boons the ele would have nothing to compensate for the worst base stats in the game.

You say to be a great player, it’s basically impossible for an experienced player to lose to newb ele, it’s impossible because I can beat a newb ele under 5s , I see newb eles get destroyed 24/7 in sPvP and tournaments, they don’t even last 10s in the best cases, if you got beaten by an ele it’s simply because he was better than you period

“ele heals are worked on” is what i said i didnt say nerf. so u can calm down kid

i havnt seen “newb” ele cause i dont play hotjoin so i never seen 1 get beat in 5 seconds. but im glad u have.

they have nerfed the mesmer clones. a few times.

and yes i have been beat by an ele and i beat the same eles but that has nothing to do with this post or the SOTG. im sorry your so scared your not gonna be so op but please dont take it out on me and say i have 0 knowledge.

anywayz please get back to what you guys hope for on the 28th (no need to tell someone what they hope for is wrong)

And what would be this OP build that am I running?
You have just proved yourself to have 0 knowledge, you assume every ele run the same build and therefore need to be nerfed, pls get down from your pedestal of judgement as you’re making a fool of yourself.

i dont know what build your running and i dont care. i said look at the class its funny you seem scared when they look at the class your going to get a nerf. i never said nerf i said look at. so calm down kid. also u said a hand full of ppl running exploit builds. that could be what im wanting them to look at. guess u might be 1 of the handfull u mention if ur getting so defensive.

also u keep attacking me personally i dont get y?

Sprawl.3891:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

cant wait tell the 28th im really excited about 1 team v 1 team. paids pooping all day is gonna be great lets just hope every class can make multiple builds and be viable in it.

they wont be popping all day. without matchmaking lower tier teams will inevitably face elite teams with the randomness and be forced to farm tickets or just give up.

please dont take away my hopes. there should always be 10 ppl ready for real competition at any given time of day IMO. if paids dont pop all day when u only need 2 teams then that is when i will give up on the game. (i dont see it possible, so i will not be giving up on the game)

Arheundel.6451:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

we know a big balance is coming on the 28th but again a lot of ppl are mad that we have no idea what the balance will be.

My opinion and i stated it before is players should be allowed to know whats coming so we dont get mesmers running around with 25 stacks of might all game and a patch for the update takes so long to roll out it ruins the game for a week or 2.

i know there is a big PR problem and you dont want to tell us because of sudden changes or changes not being made but im sure if you put in final patch notes “any of these changes stated are not final and subject to change” then noone can be mad.

a heads up on what you guys are doing helps keep us in the loop so we can make team changes in advance. this is one of the things the community means by keep talking to us.

my hope for this balance update is

warriors do less damage but get more survive ability

ele down state doesnt refill life

ele cant have constant might/fury (they took it from mes why they leave it on ele)

ele heals are worked on

mes portal is added to all classes

a 1v1 elite is added to mes or moa is put back to normal so were not forced to use time warp. (or take time warp out give us the warriors all buffs elite or the ele heal urself elite or entangle or plauge form, or crate drop) i dont mind losing timewarp i would take any other classes elite to this one anyway.

ranger fix with the skill that takes every condi off them every 10 seconds.

thief macro capability. give them a GCD like with mesmers

fix guard 15 vuln exploit.

fix every other ability that isnt working as intended

fix every other bug / exploit that ppl mentioned

so as you can see im not to big on nerfing stuff i just want everything working as intended so we can see how balanced the game really is. i hope anet dont do dumb nerfs and make some classes not viable.

cant wait tell the 28th im really excited about 1 team v 1 team. paids pooping all day is gonna be great lets just hope every class can make multiple builds and be viable in it.

What do you guys really want to see happen the 28th?

It seems as you’ve got 0 knowledge of the ele profession in general.
I can link my build and you show me where you can find perma might/fury and huge heals, because only eles who run 2xwater rune,2x monk and 2x sanctuary can obtain this “perma” might/fury you mention and only eles who use cleric amulet can have “huge” heals as they have over 1.2k pts in healing power.

The ele capability of self-healing got nothing to do with the rune stacking exploit, and to ask to nerf the healing aspect of the ele is the same as to nerf the clones of mesmers, without heals and boons the ele would have nothing to compensate for the worst base stats in the game.

You say to be a great player, it’s basically impossible for an experienced player to lose to newb ele, it’s impossible because I can beat a newb ele under 5s , I see newb eles get destroyed 24/7 in sPvP and tournaments, they don’t even last 10s in the best cases, if you got beaten by an ele it’s simply because he was better than you period

“ele heals are worked on” is what i said i didnt say nerf. so u can calm down kid

i havnt seen “newb” ele cause i dont play hotjoin so i never seen 1 get beat in 5 seconds. but im glad u have.

they have nerfed the mesmer clones. a few times.

and yes i have been beat by an ele and i beat the same eles but that has nothing to do with this post or the SOTG. im sorry your so scared your not gonna be so op but please dont take it out on me and say i have 0 knowledge.

anywayz please get back to what you guys hope for on the 28th (no need to tell someone what they hope for is wrong)

we know a big balance is coming on the 28th but again a lot of ppl are mad that we have no idea what the balance will be.

My opinion and i stated it before is players should be allowed to know whats coming so we dont get mesmers running around with 25 stacks of might all game and a patch for the update takes so long to roll out it ruins the game for a week or 2.

i know there is a big PR problem and you dont want to tell us because of sudden changes or changes not being made but im sure if you put in final patch notes “any of these changes stated are not final and subject to change” then noone can be mad.

a heads up on what you guys are doing helps keep us in the loop so we can make team changes in advance. this is one of the things the community means by keep talking to us.

my hope for this balance update is

warriors do less damage but get more survive ability

ele down state doesnt refill life

ele cant have constant might/fury (they took it from mes why they leave it on ele)

ele heals are worked on

mes portal is added to all classes

a 1v1 elite is added to mes or moa is put back to normal so were not forced to use time warp. (or take time warp out give us the warriors all buffs elite or the ele heal urself elite or entangle or plauge form, or crate drop) i dont mind losing timewarp i would take any other classes elite to this one anyway.

ranger fix with the skill that takes every condi off them every 10 seconds.

thief macro capability. give them a GCD like with mesmers

fix guard 15 vuln exploit.

fix every other ability that isnt working as intended

fix every other bug / exploit that ppl mentioned

so as you can see im not to big on nerfing stuff i just want everything working as intended so we can see how balanced the game really is. i hope anet dont do dumb nerfs and make some classes not viable.

cant wait tell the 28th im really excited about 1 team v 1 team. paids pooping all day is gonna be great lets just hope every class can make multiple builds and be viable in it.

What do you guys really want to see happen the 28th?

so i think we have our 5 now but are always looking for the best ppl so if you think your are fantastic at

engi dps power + support condi clear

necro condi fear build

and bunker that can keep there point nuted in a 1v1 even kill that person 1v1 ( bunker ele, ranger, engi)

and home point can 1v1 anything build (right now its a ranger but anything will do if u can)

then send me a in game mail and i can get you a tryout with us. make sure your able to play a lot and you want to be on a top team.

ok we can take a great d/d ele also if there is a really great one out there

if ppl tell u its a dueling server and u dont want to duel get out.

i dont understand why you want to be somewhere ur not wanted and apparently dont want to be.

this game doesnt need anet to waste time making a dueling system when we can go into servers and duel we need them putting in a 1 team v 1 team ranked system with all 5 maps on rotations.

so we need a serious 3 ppl that play all day NA.

trap ranger awesome 1v1 build + team support

D/D ele

s/d bunker ele

a awesome condi necro

please be really good and able to play all day. send me a mail in game dont whisper me cause im afk alot. or send me a PM on here. i will be on all day.

(for ppl that didnt get ahold of me before/i didnt reply to there whispers and your really good send me a mail)

cant wait until u get surgery again so u can play all day with me

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/guesting-is-coming/

i was so excited when i started reading this i figured i could be a guest on EU and do pvp during the morning,

then i finished reading it.

now im not excited i see just another thing that could be so good for pvp but for some reason we are not thought of.

hopefully someone that cares about pvp reads this and says “hey lets let the pvp’ers guest on the EU side and pvp with them”

ty

hooma.9642:

i has another suggestion:

castbars would help bringt ppl in pvp 2.
actual its so u need to play all professions to know how some skill looks ingame. then u has to consider that some other skills has the same or similar animation. then that some animations are very hard to see on tiny chars like asuras. that the only reason asura is the most played race in pvp.

castbars would asura-player not giving an advantage and lower the needed amount of skill to play competive.. easy to learn hard to master should be goal not hard to learn and easy to master

im not to sure on this because my only character i ever had has been an asura mesmer it might be because i play so much but i can see the skills no matter what race they are. but if u say its harder to see i believe u. i heard other ppl talk about this before and i agree being an asura shouldnt be a crutch

Braxxus.2904:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

2. ppl been on the forums stating they are the best at the game because noone beat them in 1 V 1. my opinion on that is guild wars 2 is a team game.

Perhaps you’re refusing to understand that the majority, at least going by forum activity, find the whole “find 4 other people, build a team, practice with them constantly, be sure that personalities mesh, wait for 1-2 to rage out, look for replacements, practice with them more, repeat ad-nauseum” to be tedious and not nearly as enjoyable as working on your own skills, not being forced to rely on other people, and perhaps just enjoy PvP with a few friends (2v2, 3v3 play).

There’s a reason 5’s arena was the most tedious, un-fun and unpopular arena mode in the game that shall not be named as well. Besides for a large number of people what matters is how they place/rank skill-wise vs other people. Not who can get carried by 4 other coordinated players against people who play competitively, but casually.

trust me i understand i have gone through a lot of teams. most rage quit not due to anger at eachother but at ANET for not making the game ppl expected when it was bought.

once 1 team v 1 team comes out ppl will get back in the game lets just make sure its not on just temple because that will just make more ppl quit the game. it needs to be random every map. (yes every even the one with sharks)

last reply to you is ppl need to learn you can have 4 friends and ppl need to learn how to get 5 ppl all on the same page. once you are then this game is really fun. i personally wouldnt want to just play with 1 other person all day i want a team not a relationship.

DaliIndica.9041:

You ask for devs to ignore the call for nerfs, but then chastise them for not listening to the “community” which I suspect is you and only you in your mind :P

But as to the post, yeah some good ideas, but like all the other good ideas (some of them are nerfs and buffs as well), they will most likely fall on deaf ears. Between hotjoin, free, and paid are huge oceans of nothingness. Nothing is being done to address that.

PVE and WvWvW is awesome though, its where i have been going for the last week and its awesome. Just leave sPvP guys, its really not worth the anger and frustration.

it does sound contradictory i will give you that but you cant say the pumpkin pie with cool whip is better then the apple pie because the apple pie was suppose to have vanilla icecream on it so its just as good. once the apple pie has the vanilla icecream on it and the pumpkin pie has the cool whip on it then you will see they are both good in there own way.

fix bugs and exploits first then we can see what buffs/nerfs classes need to be better. i just recommend going through all the traits and buffing the weaker ones so we have more a variety. JUST my opinion to what i think will be more fun. but once everything is fixed we can see if something really does need a nerf.

but before ANET does nerf stuff they should have top teams in a PTR like vain always asked for so we can test it.

daydream.2938:

@ point 4. nerfing aoe is the opposite of dumbing down the game. Aoe takes less skill and focus fire coordination to win a team fight. Buffing aoe would dumb down the game, not nerfing it.
@ arenanet.

LAW OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. The more barriers to entry you put up in terms of trying to monotize the system the more likely it is to fail. You need to help this game become popular in pvp, charging people doesnt help with this. find a way to allow the masses to compete please.

i used to agree with that i thought AOE took less skill but then we started working on positioning and if done right u can completley shut down top necros and engis. i dont really know who else has much AOE but maybe dps staff ele. but i dont want those classes and builds punished because ppl dont want to position them selves correctly.

that is a good LAW im not sure why pvp didnt get them arrested for breaking it because there is a lot of barriers. (lol)

jportell.2197:

I’m down with that. But you do not decide what we as a class can or cannot keep. And this is the first thread I have seen where ANYONE gripes about an iLeap in terms of it being too powerful or that its working better than what you think. It really is the first I’ve seen it in PVP WVW or the mesmer threads.

lol yes it is the first IL complaint

i think ppl are just on the ban wagon this past month trying to get mesmer nerfed. i dont get it or see where they are coming from. if you are good a 1v1 battle v a mesmer will come down to who has more CD up.

like i said before if you want to nerf something on a mesmer the only thing is the staff blink should have a higher cd but truthfully i dont even think that i have seen every class beat XEE and other staff mesmers in paids so it can be done.

stop trying to take the easy way out by nerfing them if you have L2P questions msg me in game i can teach u to beat us. but stop trying to dumb down the game with posts like this.

@ nikkle glad to here wvw ppl will be getting into pvp i still hope they make it free for a month or 2

@ sprawl im not shatter build im phantasm mostly havnt u seen my down state hit for over 6k

@ euratien the answer to that will always be the same “guild wars 2 without SAtaarcoeny wouldnt be a place ppl would want to be” – everyone

9. i just heard 1 team v 1 team will only be on 1 map? i hope that is not true. you need to put all 5 maps on a random or vote type thing.

i will edit this in

“blink is fine” nerf the one that takes skill?

sorry i dissagree. blink is so easy to use and illusionary leap to actually use it as a stun break which very few mesmers do actually is quite impressive i wouldnt consider taking that away from them.

so what your saying is dont msg you unless SAtaarcoeny traind u?

i got a few ppl imma send your way that i already tested.

sorry i didnt post in a few days but these are my thoughts all in one since my leave.

1. custom arenas before 1 team v 1 team is a bad idea IMO. ppl dont pay for tickets so why will they pay for custom arenas? i will buy private arenas because we have multiple teams in the guild but why will others? 1 team v 1 team ranked would allow ppl to play competitvely all day right now. i figure that is what ppl want so should be priority 1.

2. ppl been on the forums stating they are the best at the game because noone beat them in 1 V 1. my opinion on that is guild wars 2 is a team game. to be great you need these.
a. basic skill and knowledge of your character and what to do in every situation against every different class.
b. no hero mode syndrome
c. rotations/map awareness and be vocal to help others with map awareness
d. 3 C’S calm,cool,calculated. (u cant freak out you need to stay calm to think)
e. clutch. (you need that it factor that quick wit thinking and put it into action)
im pretty sure this is everything i look for in a great player for this game so please look at all these then tell me what type of skilled player u are.

3. i am Still seeing post to nerf ppl. you ppl need to understand at high lvl gameplay when you are skilled everything is countered. what we need to do is fix all the bugs and exploits in the game and then check balance and after that adjust it as needed. i still prefare we buff more stuff to give more variety in game play.

4. AOE damage is fine lets practice coordinated game play before we resort to dumbing down the game.

5. ANET should be hearing what we say as a community not just listening. i think you should be asking us what to prioritize for the pvp part of the game. you keep saying your listening but i dont fell u hear us.

6. i think custom arenas should be free for the first month of them being out if you really do decide to put them out before 1 team v 1 team. this will bring the PVE ppl and WVW big guilds into pvp and give them a taste of it. my reasoning behind this is WVW is free so is PVE then we see we like it and we do it. You guys make paid cost money and now custom arenas to me it seems to be a big turn off. so please consider this even if its just for a month or 2 lets give them a taste.

7. we need a exploit report button for ppl exploiting or bugging the game. you guys are to “we dont care” about this problem. my team has been the only team that can honestly say we never exploited or bugged and we fell good and proud about it. but its now at the point in this game were i have recently seen ppl quit because they are tired of the immature kids. this needs to be something closely monitored and give us the chance to help you guys out by adding a exploit button.

8. E-Sports

9. i just heard 1 team v 1 team will only be on 1 map? i hope that is not true. you need to put all 5 maps on a random or vote type thing.

this is all i have for now just what i seen and been thinking about the last few days.

TLDR- to bad its long go read it ty.

vyndetta is right if your a ranger and u have quick stomp and quick rez then you dont want AOE dmg because that counters a ranger.

i want AOE because it makes ppl stop and think. “should i go rez him or is it not worth it” AOE adds variety to a game it is not the make or break of a meta it is variety

follodis is right also. AOE is to strong if 5 ppl are grouping in it and get hit by it.

i want AOE because it makes ppl stop and think. "are we in a good position now or am i to close to my teammate that might get epidemicked or AOE.

play smart AOE can stay the same its that simple. if your taking AOE dmg then move its that simple

(this was edited to make it more constructive and help get my point across without any negative in it.)

jportell.2197:

They need to also consider that with nerfing AOE damage they are hurting some classes only way’s to do AOE damage. Mesmers (I know I am biased) We have mindwrack for AOE and Chaos storm (cuz mind stab just LOL)…. Timewarp isn’t a direct damage AOE it is a quickness AOE. So nerfing AOE in this sense really hurts our classes few high DMG abilities. However with Mindwrack the mechanic of it is when you have one illusion it does X damage. Two illusions do Y damage that is significantly more than X damage but split the two illusions individual Damage is less than X and three illusions do Z damage which is immensely higher than X+Y but the three illusions individual damage is still lower than the base damage of X for a 1 illusion shatter. So in a sense the way the are talking about doing it already applies to mesmers… I think it would be interesting however to see it where AOE does more damage to the more targets in it but does less damage if it is just one target… I hope thats what they were meaning on proper uses for AOE is that it should be used against groups not single mobs.

ppl think mesmers are so op. its funny. we do less dmg then 110 nade engis. less dmg then d/d eles. less dmg then 100b warrios and way less dmg then thiefs.

so if they know what they are doing they would leave the few aoe classes alone because that little bit of AOE dmg if played right doesnt make us op but equal to the single target classes

i dont care about PR or whatever but they just said they dont want the AOE to affect the person going for the rez?

my comment to that is if you play pvp then you would understand how wrong u are.

we go for stomps but when we see they have 4 ppl around the body we use him as bait to see if the other team is gonna be dumb and all come for the rez we have to punish them.

its situational sometimes we aoe bodys sometimes we dont but we need that option to do it if the circumstance preseants itself.

for example if u dumb down aoe and we are fighting 2 bunker guards on a point 2v2 and they have mercy runes on then after 2 min when we down 1 we will have to aoe the body to even have a chance at a kill especially on the guard not downed because we blew everything on the downed 1 and we only have 15 sweconds before the other guard is back.

please ANET be very careful how you do whatever it is u are going to do to AOE i would suggest having some top teams help u with this.

you said instead of nerfing mesmer portal an idea would be putting the same type tool on other classes.

good freaking idea im glad u been reading my posts. this should be your thought process. this is a good step in the right direction.

now you are thinking correctly. i want more options i want more variety and this would do that. can we please stay in this thought process for the future of balance updates.

i enjoy watching kaypud run up to 3 idiots and spin on them with his retail guard and kill all 4 of them because they were not smart enough to correct there positioning

ohh u ask why did i say all 4 of them???? let me tell u well here is how the story goes.

kaypud runs to a node and there is 3 ppl there that u can see. he starts spinning and downs 4 ppl because there is a thief that has no idea how to look at buffs and only thinks to go invis then enter the fight by back stab stealing from him to bad the thief killed himself from AOE retail also.

moral of the story pay attention and we dont need to nerf everything. stop making this game to easy please.

please.

Sylosi.6503:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

im really confused and wondering were u are getting this information from that AOE is to strong in PVP?

Perhaps they got it from the December state of the game discussion, one of the players, a thief, Lowell said:

" but the third thing that makes it a real problem from my point of view is how strong AoE is right now, it is ridiculous to try and attempt to ress when you can just throw five aoes and make sure that guy is going to die and never be ressed anyway."

felivear.1536:

One thing that I’m curious about is they say AoE damage is the counter to stealth. Well, if they nerf AoE, does that make people in stealth unkillable?

See above.

lol doesnt suprise me a thief would complain about AOE dmg. so he wants to be able to insta gib everyone and rez and stomp ppl??? what a joke. a good thief gets in and gets out.

without AOE dmg there would no longer be good single target players they would just run around like idiots insta gibbing ppl with nothing to scare them into playing smart.

Can you tell me what your reasoning is for wanting to nerf AOE? please dont i dont want PVP dumbed down

you can go here to see why i think is a bad bad idea https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/AOE-not-to-strong-dont-change-reply-devs/first#post1229806

AOE is AOE for a reason it teaches ppl to not be stupid. a great thief is one that knows not to jump in the middle of a fight were AOE can be present.

Nerfing AOE will make this game so simple.

im trying not to get mad at the thought of it and say stupid things but it is so confusing to even hear the thought of it.

i just watched the live stream 2 min ago and im really upset you guys are talking about making the AOE weaker???

im really confused and wondering were u are getting this information from that AOE is to strong in PVP?

my view of AOE is any good team doesnt get hit by AOE there is no reason for a team to be cluster f ing eachother. it takes more skill to not get hit by AOE and that is one of the main things i look for when making teams “positioning”.

if you dumb down AOE dmg you are going to make ppl worse at this game and totally make positioning useless.

please explain yourself with why you want to do this please give me examples of how this helps the game.

sorry ppl i know i keep looking for new stuff but im trying new things out for my main team.

if there is any really good staff eles out there whisper me in game so i can try you out.

you must be a 10/10 player and be free to play all day (no life is required

Ragni.4698:

Please do.

If you do it, 90% of the teams wont require mesmers at all, it will change the meta (competitive) a bit, and maybe give engineers and rangers a change at paid (chance meaning getting invited to teams).

Also, a team with portals wins 90% of the time, and if you follow your line of buffinf/debuffing Anet (you only act when you know numbers and statistics and tons of data) you’ll do it. Mesmer portals are in 90% of the teams.

(in reality, what i want is just variety i tournaments, i want clutch matches to happen much more often, i want to fight multiple builds of the same class, not just 1/2 per class… as things are, people know every bit of the tournament before it happens: 1 Bunker (99% guardian) 1 Mesmer (99% with portals) 2 Bursts (90% backstab thief or d/d ele) and the necro/engi filler)

Please, im not asking for huge debuffs or buffs or even modes or maps. Just… shake things up a bit, its been six months and its been the same thing every single evening)

Thanks for reading

instead of QQ u need more PEW PEW. thank you for reading.

Btw 90% of teams winning have portal??? please dont throw out random stats. it has to be much higher then that because usually most teams have a mesmer so everyteam with a mesmer winning compared to teams without a mesmer dont even win so shouldnt be considered except some teams dont use a mesmer and still go into paids and win but they use the 15 stack invun GS guard glitch so when they win it dont count anywayz (were do i put a period)

please nerf guards teleport and ele teleport and theif invis and can you make the games only go to 150 points 500 is to long its been 6 months we need a change.

im talking you needs to be very good. understand how necros work. we need you to know positioning have common sense on rotating. u need fantastic call targeting skills you need to be clutch.

if there is a necro out there that thinks they are a skill lvl 10/10 and you are open to play most the day every day hit me up in game i will be trying ppl out all week for my main team.

we need a guardian
ranger
and thief or ele..

please be good i know its EU but i still want to win a lot over there.

and when i do come over to EU i dont want any paparazzi pictures of me when i lose because the only way i will ever lose is if i lag so dont brag when it happens.

look forward to actually playing paid games NA is pathetic it now pops less then 3 hours a day and until the 1 team vs 1 team happens i dont see it getting any better

and yes im mad right now its 7 and paids havnt started in NA yet

johnathon sharp said it in a recent post

so im trying to get a idea of what teams will be doing the new 1 team vs 1 team ranked.

i hope i will see a lot of new teams that we never seen before that can only play from like 1-3 pm pst

i know were not the best team out there i know there is a ton of teams that only get to play different times of the day so they cant do paids now but when the 1 team vs one team comes out im very interested in who they are and what times they will be playing.

so if you guys read this and you are a team can you post in here when you guys are able to play so i can get an idea for how awesome this will be.

im shocked i wasnt already added. you can put me down in my own catagory i can help anyone with anything if someone on the list isnt available.

the past 2 days with my previous thread i have had tons of ppl whispering me about ways to beat certain stuff. also questions about what roles certain things bring to the team and many more questions.

i have had fun answering ppl and giving ppl a better understanding because i want a better community and helping ppl is the best way.

also can you make sure that ppl send me mail not whispers as many ppl know im afk alot. either at the park or playing kinect in the front room or my favorite thing making controversial posts on the forums.

i dont want to be limited to only 1 type of person able to ask me questions i fell like i want to be available 100% of the time to 100% of the ppl.

great job holly jolly but this wont make me let you play with us tonight sorry.

Jest.9276:

Oracle Fefe.5078:

Jest.9276:

Seeing as how a Goalie’s entire job is to defend against Offensive Players of all levels, their opinion on what their own Offensive Players are doing wrong/should be doing to beat the opposing Goalie is extremely valid.

You want to beat a Goalie? Ask a Goalie how they get beat. Want to beat a Mesmer? Ask a Mesmer how they get beat. Ask them what frustrates them and what tactics counter their playstyle.

Makes perfect sense actually.

There is a difference between telling an offense what they should be doing if they make a mistake or to pick up a strategy for the team (Though that’s usually left to either coach or other offense.), and telling the offense to re-read the entire book of offensive soccer tactics.

If you want to tell a person to “L2P” You have to usually be more specific or you end up telling them to “L2P whatever role you’re doing cause you’re terrible at it.” as opposed to “Learn about how mesmer clones work so you could stop casting it out of range and no clones pop up thus you can’t use any secondary abilities.”

Plus, learn to play is more of a rude term, as it’s telling you to learn to play in general, which means “everything you do in a role sucks.” At worse, it means learn to play the game, MMOs, or whatever. So many arguments could’ve been avoided if the OP simply stated “learn to” with whatever afterwards instead of L2P in every single one of his posts -2.

While your points are true and completely valid, I think it should be pointed out that I’m not defending the L2P comments but rather some of his meaning. Which is that any class can learn how to play better by getting advice from people who play other classes, as well as the idea that you learn your own abilities and tactics best by playing your Main class primarily.

There IS value in playing multiple classes in terms of understanding Mechanics and the basic limitations/conditional requirements for skills.. but if you try to be a Jack of All Trades, you’ll likely be a Master of None.

But yeah.. he could’ve worded his post a little better but at the same time people could try to focus on his points rather than reading into an “attitude” that they’re gleaning from text on a monitor. The rudeness that’s been going around in this thread goes both ways.

yes please read into the points here not the so called attitude. ty.

point 1. this game is balanced so please stop asking for nerfs im tired of it

point 2. i play at high lvl play so i know this to be true.

point 3. bugging and exploiting and being new to the game does not make something op.

point 4. if we want this game a ESPORT we need to think about buffing traits and utilities and runes to make more diversity so its more interesting to watch.

point 5. we need to fix all the bugs so ppl can learn there classes full potential.

point 6. dont say a class isnt viable if you havnt mastered it and dont say a class is op if you havnt mastered your class to try and counter the op class.

point 7. SAtaarcoeny is the second best player NA look at the QP list.

point 8. this is a game try and have fun ppl i dont get why you just forgot points 1-6 because i have a sense of humor.

Oracle Fefe.5078:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

ok lets use baseball as a better example because i think your wrong.

a catcher tells a pitcher how to play because he knows what a pitcher is capable of. even though a catcher is not a pitcher.

so no you do not need to be in somones shoes to know how they walk sorry i just dont agree with you. and every coach in the world will also. many coches never played the game but know how it should be played.

and dont worry about my attitude your wrong on that also.

but ty for your opinion i hope you look past my so called attitude and realize with the evidence i stated you dont need to play all 8 classes to understand them.

A catcher and a pitcher play different roles in a game. The only way the pitcher would honestly take a catcher’s advice is if that catcher was a pitcher himself or he has a godlike throw. Honestly. If you’d really wish to prove your analogy right over Sprawl’s or mine, you have to put yourself in the shoes of another role and see how that works out for you.
In other words, go be an engineer, a necro, something else. If you truthfully can overpower the populace yet again with your understanding of all of them then perhaps you may actually have a say in what to teach. You’ve taught people that they should keep at range from Warriors (As simple information that is..) Now teach warriors how to get up close to other classes without reliance on BR.

Also, you constantly call me “wrong” on opinionated beliefs. Sprawl made his analogy and you consider my interpretation wrong and says that he agrees with you (When you should never be putting words in anyone’s mouth.), thus calling yourself right. Your temperament has been shown throughout the entire forums in which you don’t listen to anyone but yourself and those who agree with you. Such a mindset gives you an entitled belief that you’re superior than everyone else and no one would be as smart or “awesome” unless they bow to you and accept you fully. That’s not how you teach a person to play a game and help this so-called metagame.

Seeing that you will not accept opinions especially when a majority has been arguing with you and how you’re acting rather then your post (showing how your post structure is worded.) I’ve decided to label the thread un-negotiable. It’s like watching a person wish to get into the video game industry to make an “innovative” game when they don’t know the first step, yet continue to say they will do it and it will be massive and awesome. You just can’t talk them out of it without a fight and even then it’s hopeless and they still go in guns blazing armed with an idea and nothing else.

i only read the first couple lines so sorry for the short reply but i want to get on into smart reply.

a pitcher does take the advice of the catcher. who do you think tells the pitcher what pitches to throw. i guess you never played baseball let me tell you something. a catcher learns how to read body launguage and is so close to a batter that he usually knows what pitch is good to strike out that batter so the catcher tells the pitcher what to pitch with hand signals. sometimes the pitcher says no and the catcher calls an alternitive but the pitcher usually goes with what the catcher tells him. just because the catcher isnt a pitcher does not mean he doesnt know how the pitcher should play. and if the pitcher gets stubburn the catcher walks up to him and tells him whos boss.

please learn more about baseball and life in general. and if you reply with something so wrong again i will stop responding to you like sprawl. im here to make valid points and you trying to discredit my points that nothing needs these nerfs your qq about just because i only play mesmer is so wrong.

i play at top lvl and i see the balance of the game and they are fine. ANET did such a great job at this game if ppl stop abusing bugs and exploiting and just L2P instead of wasting ANETS time trying to make the game easier for you guys then we would already have rankings and everything else. so just stop im tired of it.

Arheundel.6451:

QP meaningless crap?
I’m sorry to break it on you but you need to reach at least 2nd map to get any QP pts, this means to beat at least some other team…and people who have 600+ QP means that have won the 1st and 2nd map many many many times…where the kitten is your grind? Paid tournament is not Zerg vs Zerg where you farm glory lmao

@Mufa if you think you can “grind” 600+ QP…I feel sorry for ya, you sound like those poor fellas who in GW1 used to say this :" rank means nothing because you can farm the first map and farm fame"..hahahahahahaha
Even in GW1 you get 0 fame unless you win..and unless you’d consistently win you would have not reached r9+..not even in 10 years time, because the fame prize was progressive as in GW2 QP system, so to reach r9+ you needed to “farm” much much fame

Yeah even in GW1 we used to have the “pros” for whom “rank mean nothing”, bunch of nabs who couldn’t even win the 2nd map in HA before get kicked back to the reception area.

The funny part is always some rankless/QPless dude to tell us that Rank/QP means nothing…funny isn’t it?

-edit- Forgot to mention this:
Pls @Mufa explain me how a Zerg vs Zerg champion will ever be a “better” player compared to somebody who play tournies against opponents of equal or superior skill level? …..gosh

And still with you “top 100” bullkitten?
This is a kittening MMO no some type of FPS, based on what these top 100 would be classified? Kills?Revivals? Points defended? Assaults?
So let’s assume the top 100 is based on number of kills, the majority of players would be thieves or warrior as they’re profession centered around offense, yeah so now it seems thieves and warriors are OP, nerf them!
Give me a break you and your top 100 crap! This is not Call of Duty 2!
This is a teambased game, get it already !

great reply i read it twice.