Guild Wars 2

Nick.6972:

Yes. But you still get to hear this excuse all the time.
Quite frankly its annoying.

if it annoys you, then we’ve accomplished our mission.

why do you care so much what other people do? live and let live.

I can get 20k HP on my thief. Then again I don’t spec glass cannon.

I play a thief, and we definitely DON’T need more hp. If you dramatically reduce stealth, perhaps.

morrolan.9608:

Sanduskel.1850:

morrolan.9608:

Sanduskel.1850:

morrolan.9608:

Sanduskel.1850:

I just plan to stay in EOTM.

Even when SOR isn’t facing BG and JQ?

sure. ppt gets old

Would have thought mindless zerging in EOTM without any overriding purpose would get old as well.

better than midless zerging and pv dooring elsewhere, lol.

SOR wants to go down to T2 because that isn’t the case in T2.

You seem obsessed with us. Why did you bandwagon to Jq two weeks ago if this was so important?

morrolan.9608:

Sanduskel.1850:

morrolan.9608:

Sanduskel.1850:

I just plan to stay in EOTM.

Even when SOR isn’t facing BG and JQ?

sure. ppt gets old

Would have thought mindless zerging in EOTM without any overriding purpose would get old as well.

better than midless zerging and pv dooring elsewhere, lol.

morrolan.9608:

Sanduskel.1850:

I just plan to stay in EOTM.

Even when SOR isn’t facing BG and JQ?

sure. ppt gets old

I just plan to stay in EOTM.

can’t log in from bay area ca.

I don’t need any of those rewards, so no need to leave Eotm.

Zaoda.1653:

I don’t care who transferred over to another server, what I’m more annoyed about is the fact that SOR is running the show in EOTM because they seem to have a ton of WvW guilds – most likely bribed with $, and it isn’t fun when you’re a minority because then it just becomes a numbers game rather than an actual strategic, fun, and fair playing field.

Bribed to come into Eotm? Hahahahahaha. Ok, whatever. Bring your own players. No one is stopping you. I’ve seen bigger zergs from other colors btw. So you had a unique experience, sorry.

1. Ranger
2. Engineer
3. Elementalist

Some one is angry that SOR isn’t feeding them bags inside towers, lool. Fine, we Zerg Eotm. We enjoy rolling over your groups. Our intent is to annoy the enemy. We obviously succeeded. What do you plan to do about it?

Loooool. We are just looking for fights. Not our fault if the cannon fodder follows us.

I am from SOR, and I continue to coach our leaders to be respectful. Having said that, it is frustrating to have downed enemies rallied over and over again. I encourage patience.

As a thief, I can take out just about any class any time for stealth. One way to promote smaller groups is to reduce the power of certain classes in small engagements, perma stealthed thieves and warriors.

Samhayn.2385:

What gets me is the fact that BG/JQ seem to be upset that SoR stopped being the third wheel in there two fight. Is it really that bad that you guys have to fight each other and don’t have a small guy to pick on? Also don’t think this is a unique thing. Any server that comes up to tier 1 and gets trounced on for awhile is going to start going to EoTM instead and just leave you two to duke it out.

BG has been lecturing SOR about how bad we are. So we go to Eotm and let them fight it out with Jq, and we still get grief. Lol. We just can’t reason with that brand of hatred.

MIrra.3604:

Yamsandjams.3267:

Stealth stacking doesn’t really bug me because it means the thief will need to remain in stealth. They did also partly nerf this already by changing how infusion of shadow works.

Instead I find stealth chaining to be more of a problem, especially since you can do it off keep walls, other structures (i.e. Khylo treb), and random mobs around WvW maps that make no effort whatsoever to try and twart your attempts to do so. I’d prefer that a thief was revealed every time they exit stealth instead of just on attacking or being kicked out a refuge, but I seem to be in the minority on that.

The funny thing is at one time they were going to implement revealed every time a thief exist stealth. The thief community was up in arms over it (including me). So eventually, one day will come when the devs will nerf stealth to the ground just because of one stupid weaponset. Hence, why I am recommending changes now rather than have a blanket nerf.

Agreed. All the thieves who rabidly defend perma invisibility don’t understand that the angry masses WILL have their way, and the result won’t be pretty. Better to lobby for fair changes than to take the nerf bat.

So allowing people the freedom to play as they want is childish? Nothing is preventing you from playing wvw as it was advertised. It’s a free market mentality. Have at it. Your posts advocate actions to direct people back to wvw. If you want to make wvw more interesting, great. You seem to be advocating a more heavy handed approach to restrict playing in Eotm and forcing people into wvw. I reject that notion. Live and let live.

There are no problems to solve. People are playing as they want. Let it go. If you enjoy beating on doors and are motivated by ppt, go to regular wvw. If you enjoy killing enemies go to Eotm. Simple. Please don’t invent problems that don’t exist.

It’s like golf. We win! At any rate, wvw is what we decide it is. So funny to see such a reaction when we decide to play the game the way we enjoy it! Lol

Wvw is fine. We are playing it inside Eotm.

Ruined? Lol how is it ruined? People playing where they want constitutes ruined wvw? I don’t understand.

nirvana.8245:

EoTM is not WvW. It is a more casual game mode that will replace WvW if no changes are made.

lol. how is it not wvw? just because you don’t like it?

nothing. those who like to pvdoor and hang around inside keeps can keep playing pve to their hearts’ content! The rest of us who like to fight live players are staying in Eotm. have fun all!

Qaelyn.7612:

Sanduskel.1850:

yep. We are quitters. does that make you feel better about yourself. it’s funny because one goal was to deny you the pleasure of the one sided fights you so yearned for. I guess we succeeded. It is ironic that the “quitters” are the ones enjoying Eotm and happy, yet the “winners” are so angry! Some victory.

I’m not on BG or JQ. And your post is incredibly childish.

lol. I suppose telling others how they should play is adult. If you aren’t on those servers, then why do you care how we play?

Qaelyn.7612:

Sanduskel.1850:

we care about winning. we don’t care about taking objectives.

The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one. LOL.

Samhayn.2385:

Whole lotta telling people they are quitters because they don’t play they way you want them to play going on in this thread.

They’re being called quitters because they are quitters. It’s not about them playing the way someone else wants. It’s about them suddenly deciding they don’t want to play the way they played when they had matchups more favorable to them, and the way they will play again when they have more favorable matchups.

You don’t really think this “we prefer EotM playstyle” bullsquat will last more than 10 seconds after they get paired with weaker servers, do you?

yep. We are quitters. does that make you feel better about yourself. it’s funny because one goal was to deny you the pleasure of the one sided fights you so yearned for. I guess we succeeded. It is ironic that the “quitters” are the ones enjoying Eotm and happy, yet the “winners” are so angry! Some victory.

Qaelyn.7612:

I don’t have a problem with SoR (well, other than natural rivalry).

I just wish you guys would keep fighting rather than giving up and then pretending that you didn’t care about winning in the first place. shrug

Server pride and camraderie is what makes WvW work. Not just killing random people for bags.. I can get better rewards in PvE. At least IMO.

Again, I know it can be disheartening to lose every week and I wish they’d mix the matches up a bit more and do something about all the stacking. But even so, come on guys, at least make a game of it!

we care about winning. we don’t care about taking objectives. we like killing the enemy. in our case, the enemy holes up inside their precious towers and keeps. not fun. why do you all care what we choose to do? Lol

taking and holding towers and keeps gets boring fast. we play the game the way we want. sorry it doesn’t fit your “rules.”

Lol. we reject your definition of winning. enjoy spending hours in towers!

I don’t understand how people think that sitting around inside a tower is fun, lol. Funny that BG is too afraid to come fight us in Eotm.

Qaelyn.7612:

Sanduskel.1850:

We don’t like pv door and luring bg from their keeps.

I seem to recall you guys liking “PvDoor” well enough when you were beating us.

Do whatever makes you happy, but the motivations are pretty transparent.

And regardless of the reasons, the bottom line remains that it’s healthier for the game as a whole to have three tier 1 servers that are at least somewhat reasonably matched, rather than two that are close and one that’s thrown in the towel. I’m confident that TC will at least put forth the good fight, even if we don’t have a shot of beating the big two. But Arenanet really needs to take a broad look at this whole issue of server balance and guilds being paid to transfer around and so forth. In the long run, it’s simply not good for anyone.

Oh, and I have a funny feeling you guys will magically regain your affection for “PvDoor” as soon as you are facing opponents you think you can beat.

ahh revisionist history. love it. What does “healthier for the game as a whole” mean? That we should play the game in a way we hate to satisfy your sense of moral superiority? i dont think so, lol

ykyk.2740:

Sanduskel.1850:

Substance E.4852:

Sanduskel.1850:

Qaelyn.7612:

The “sour grapes” responses from some of the SoR people are predictable, yet still disappointing. I remember fighting against you guys when the league was on, and you had better coverage than we did at TC and usually came out ahead of us, but we still tried every time. I remember one week we got second place and everyone was happy about that.

Now suddenly it’s “we can’t win so we are running off to EotM”. I mean, it’s a game, do what makes you happy, but it still comes across as quitting. And it’s really not what I expected.

Ever since I started GW2 I’ve felt that the constant transferring around of people and guilds made WvW into something of a joke, and this is all part of it. I chose TC when I joined knowing that it wasn’t the most populous server, and that we’d lose a lot of matches. It’s possible that once SoR is finished shamefully throwing their matches so they can “on purpose” go to T2 that TC will end up in T1. And win or lose I will do what I can to fight the good fight, without making excuses or trying to find someone willing to give me gold to abandon my friends.

If you guys end up in T2, I’ll be rooting for our current nemeses, SoS and FA. At least they make an effort most of the time.

We don’t like pv door and luring bg from their keeps. What’s wrong with preferring EotM? honestly, we don’t really care what you or others think about our server, lol.

Sorry playing tactically and against comparable opponents was “too hard” and “not fun” for you guys. Have fun beating up zerker pve pugs.

call it whatever you want. if you want to come “pwn” us with your mad skillz you know where to find us. i haven’t seen any bg guilds in eotm. wonder why?

Just an outsider looking in, but I’m going to guess it’s because their server hasn’t given up and retreated to pugland.

what makes you think we care? we don’t enjoy waiting for bg to come out of their precious towers to fight so we play eotm. secondly, if you think eotm is all pugs, why dont you big boys come on out and show us all how it’s done?

Substance E.4852:

Sanduskel.1850:

Qaelyn.7612:

The “sour grapes” responses from some of the SoR people are predictable, yet still disappointing. I remember fighting against you guys when the league was on, and you had better coverage than we did at TC and usually came out ahead of us, but we still tried every time. I remember one week we got second place and everyone was happy about that.

Now suddenly it’s “we can’t win so we are running off to EotM”. I mean, it’s a game, do what makes you happy, but it still comes across as quitting. And it’s really not what I expected.

Ever since I started GW2 I’ve felt that the constant transferring around of people and guilds made WvW into something of a joke, and this is all part of it. I chose TC when I joined knowing that it wasn’t the most populous server, and that we’d lose a lot of matches. It’s possible that once SoR is finished shamefully throwing their matches so they can “on purpose” go to T2 that TC will end up in T1. And win or lose I will do what I can to fight the good fight, without making excuses or trying to find someone willing to give me gold to abandon my friends.

If you guys end up in T2, I’ll be rooting for our current nemeses, SoS and FA. At least they make an effort most of the time.

We don’t like pv door and luring bg from their keeps. What’s wrong with preferring EotM? honestly, we don’t really care what you or others think about our server, lol.

Sorry playing tactically and against comparable opponents was “too hard” and “not fun” for you guys. Have fun beating up zerker pve pugs.

call it whatever you want. if you want to come “pwn” us with your mad skillz you know where to find us. i haven’t seen any bg guilds in eotm. wonder why?

Qaelyn.7612:

The “sour grapes” responses from some of the SoR people are predictable, yet still disappointing. I remember fighting against you guys when the league was on, and you had better coverage than we did at TC and usually came out ahead of us, but we still tried every time. I remember one week we got second place and everyone was happy about that.

Now suddenly it’s “we can’t win so we are running off to EotM”. I mean, it’s a game, do what makes you happy, but it still comes across as quitting. And it’s really not what I expected.

Ever since I started GW2 I’ve felt that the constant transferring around of people and guilds made WvW into something of a joke, and this is all part of it. I chose TC when I joined knowing that it wasn’t the most populous server, and that we’d lose a lot of matches. It’s possible that once SoR is finished shamefully throwing their matches so they can “on purpose” go to T2 that TC will end up in T1. And win or lose I will do what I can to fight the good fight, without making excuses or trying to find someone willing to give me gold to abandon my friends.

If you guys end up in T2, I’ll be rooting for our current nemeses, SoS and FA. At least they make an effort most of the time.

We don’t like pv door and luring bg from their keeps. What’s wrong with preferring EotM? honestly, we don’t really care what you or others think about our server, lol.

clearly some of my fellow thieves are upset. this is an opinion and feedback board. I am simply encouraging those who know that stealth is badly broken to use the website or in game feedback options to fl..err provide persistant feedback. what’s wrong with that?

Qaelyn.7612:

Irrespective of the e-kitten-waving contest between BG and JQ, as of this writing SoR is ticking +20 in the middle of a weekend, and that’s not good for anyone.

for those of us on sor whose sole aim is to deny servers who buy guilds any rewards for their misspent gold, this is GREAT for us. Mission accomplished.

Why should we leave T1? we are enjoying eotm and the rage directed at us. I think we shall do just enough to stay in t1, thank you!

You will never convince thieves who want it easy. Some of us thieves appreciate a challenge and don’t rely on perma stealth. I suggest that those of you who think perma stealth and stealthing while in combat is badly broken continue to send respectful but firm and frequent feedback to anet. When other games come out and threaten this one, they will have no choice but to take action.

I can’t wait because thieves will never get other things fixed while we are the most op class in wvw.

lol even if full, bg is still buying servers.

Reslinal.2359:

geekanerd.4123:

Reslinal.2359:

Hammerguard.9834:

I feel horrible about the players that are left on SoR just wondering what the hell happened. Wish BG would stop buying so many guilds and even lose some to SoR. Maybe we could have some fun, even matchups again ’cause this sh*ts getting old.

No offense, but you really need to learn to gather facts before you make statements. If you are on SoR, you need to go talk to your guilds on your server/join TS to learn about what’s happening to your server. Apparently all your “for fights” guilds decide they get more fun stomping pugs in EoTM than fighting wvw for their server. So they are essentially stop playing WvW for now. This has nothing to do with BG or JQ (BG hasn’t got any guilds since season 1 and JQ got couple guilds from SoR), but rather your server’s unhealthy “fights only, laugh at others who care about objectives” culture.

Is it unhealthy because you and a handful of other forum warriors from BG say it’s unhealthy? I’m curious about the research that has gone into this perspective.

I think it is unhealthy because what you are doing is hurting your community in the long run. It maybe o.k. for those of your guilds that only care about fights, but by deriding others that want to play differently, you’re are completely neglecting your server mates that may want to experience proper WvW/or simply just new to WvW.

What a lot of you are doing is all about you rather than community pride, which is really against the spirit of the RvR game mode. Heck you even begin to see posts like this popping up from your own server mates that are left in the dark.

thank you so much for your concern. In short, we on sor stopped caring about PPT 5+ months ago when we refused to bid on other guilds and saw said guilds go over to other stacked servers. We decided to simply play to kill our enemies. I understand that it’s not fun for you to take empty towers and keeps, but we aren’t playing to entertain you. PPT isn’t important to us in the least, and lecturing us about what’s against the “spirit of rvr” (lol) isn’t going to make us enjoy pvdoor any more. taa taa!

real thieves don’t rely on permastealth or even lots of stealth.

My fellow thieves: do you realize that anet cannot buff thieves with perma stealth in its current state? Whether or not you believe it’s a l2p issue is besides the point. The hue and cry from the population would be deafening. If you want improvements to our class as I do, you should be advocating for fixes to stealth.

As for preventing stealth or being revealed, lol. Decent thieves don’t fall for those

No other game allows perma stealth, stealthing while in combat and no hard counters to stealth. If you haven’t played a thief you don’t know how laughably opd it is in this game. In daoc, there was a long cd from combat to stealth or I had to use a very long cd skill. Daoc also had see hidden, mastery of stealth, etc, same with lolhammer and Aion.

Jim Hunter.6821:

How is it being abused? Stealth is what the thief is built around. It is their best source of damage, damage mitigation, healing, condition removal, etc.

This whole thread would be like if thieves were complaining that rangers used pets. Instead of calling for nerfs to other classes why don’t you try to get yours buffed so it is viable for something other than roaming. Maybe ask to get the broken pet ai fixed, or at least give you better control over them. Hell GW1 gave you better pet control.

Anet used that term, abused. They referenced the ability to remain in stealth while remaining in combat. NO OTHER PVP GAME does stealth this way and EVERY OTHER GAME HAS HARD COUNTERS to stealth. These two choices, made just to say we are different, make stealth laughably opd in this game. Some of us thieves don’t rely on this perma crutch and do just fine, so your first point is inaccurate.

I suggest that you provide persistent, polite, proscriptive and pressing feedback to anet to get thieves fixed. As a long time thief, I’d like to see perma stealth eliminated and on demand stealth while in combat eliminated to make this class more challenging.

ParaldaWind.4523:

Grumpdogg.6910:

Now that SoR are 100% EOTM only, it’s kinda irrelevant who has left or who is left.

Yeah last night I saw literally 30+ HIRE with around 15-20 Choo running in a big blob karma training some random EotM map. There were a lot of pugs with them, too, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they were all from SoR. It was literally the largest blob I’ve ever seen.

yeah it was a blast rolling the squishies

Julie Yann.5379:

Nice derailment, you can’t even tell that this thread was about how cheap the stealth mechanic can be.

Not all of us thieves defend this op permastealth mechanic. I suggest that you send frequent, specific, persistant and respectful feedback to Anet to get this broken mechanic balanced. Thieves will not get the help that they need because stealth is horrifically op’d as is.

Arguing clicker, keyboard turner, etc makes it pretty clear that one is bereft of arguments. Plenty of us who play thieves can attest to the fact that the ability to continuously attack while stealthed is a broken mechanic. I hope anet realizes this too so that my class can be a little more challenging to play.

bwillb.2165:

Fortus.6175:

two of the most ‘famous’ pro players (highly regarded as civilized, open minded and reasonable man) quit their mesmer class in a rather ‘ragey’ way over their channels and rerolled to thieves due to the amount of unbalances and apparent favoritisim towards certain classes such as warriors and thieves. They are now rolling thieves themselves.

If they think that there is favoritism towards thieves, the one class that has been nerfed by community request nearly every single patch, which has had nearly no buffs to offset these nerfs… They are clearly not pro or reasonable. The pros are the ones who continue rocking thief despite hundreds of nerfs.

Fortus.6175:

HECK, even devs themselves admitted in a stream that thieves were driving away mesmers and elementalists from this meta.

Was this the same stream where the dev tried to play a spammy thief build and died horribly because they’ve never tried a thief before and had no idea how fragile they are?

I play a thief, and those so called nerfs were just facades. Perma stealth is still possible, as is massive burst and continual high burst while stealthed.

MIrra.3604:

urieldhynne.2743:

Kanenas.4906:

This one teaches us how to kill someone by avoiding damage, good one too!

The amount of ignorance in this thread is to much high and makes me sick! I’m outta here.

I am glad to share the same sickness, i am sick of thief lovers defending a broken mechanic as well.

Basically you want to have the ability to reset every fight when you are about to die, to try again over and over until win it? That is you want? because that is what happen with the stealth in current state. That is fair for you?

Oh i forget, i must “l2p” to counter it. Are you reading this post about how easy is instant stealth stunbreak away when you are about to die and you rely in blind hits to “try to counter” a stealth mechanic. How funny sir.

Thief haters have tunnel vision. Let me give you a list of classes that can reset fights just as good as thief.

Warrior – Stability and then rush laughing ho ho ho all the way. Good luck immo or chill due to -98% condi duration
Mesmer – Stealth…more stealth then blink…oh and more stealth
Ele – LF then FSG
Ranger – Sword Evade back into keep or tower
Engi – Stealth and or Rocket Boots. Or blast finisher in smoke field for 5 secs of stealth.

So…whats the problem? The majority of classes can reset fights.

Sorry. My thief can outdo all of those, easily. Rangers? Never fought one who could escape or live, lol. Sword evade into keep or tower? Do you know how that skill works? Good luck evading into a tower again.

My thief in EOTM had a grand time last night. Never died, could keep ganking enemies 1-3 at a time. Any time I got close to being in trouble I could simply perma stealth out of harms way. Oh the hateful emotes I got.

Killing from perma stealth IS possible, check out a few thief YouTube videos to see how.

Frigid.6027:

Permastealth is possible by using utilities. ANET has already said they are fine with thieves being able to stealth for long periods of time, as long as they use utilities to do this. You can no longer just 5>2>2>2>2 over and over. To permastealth now you have to give up utilities (most run stunbreaks these days, so they are now easier to kill because of cc’s)

If a thief is actually perma stealthing, he is doing no damage to anyone. If you are getting hit, he is not permastealthing.

You are playing a Zerker Ranger. If you cant apply enough pressure between his reveal time and restealthing, rethink your build/gear. There are ranger builds out there that can very easily deal with a thief hitting for high numbers everyone seems to complain about.

Thieves are at the bottom of the list in WvW. Yes we can scout, kill yaks, flip camps as good as everyone else, but outside that whats so amazing about them? If you are in WvW looking for 1v1s, you should expect to encounter a thief more often than any other profession. Keep playing, you will quickly learn that 95% of thieves are extremely predictable.

That’s just inaccurate. Permastealth thieves most definitely can kill enemies and get away from groups. If you don’t know, perhaps you should watch a few videos that others have posted.