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Lol a thief player defending stealth! Shocking!
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I ply thief, its stealth is laughably opd. It’s made this game an utter joke among gamers.
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Want their attention? Stop playing as many of us already did.
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Wvw doesn’t make money. It’s a self inflicted reality. They neglect it, we wvw lovers stop buying or leave the game, they invest less into wvw, and the death spiral ensues. Go play teso. Wvw is a focus of that game.
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Revealed is a terrible term for what sic em does, it should be called, delayed. We need a “break them out of stealth” skill. Clear now?
Yes, we. I’ve expanded my horizons. You should try it.
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Lol. Have you tried to use sic em?? Hahahahaha, lol at that as a hard counter.
Among the lowest doesn’t imply that others are lower, lol. Learn English. It denotes belonging to a group of equally low classes.
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lol no hard counters make wvw a laughingstock of the gaming world. i know dozens of people who quit and rag on this game because they hated getting ganked by perm invisible enemies. I can’t blame them.
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I have played a gc thief, lol. it’s easy mode. massive dps and i can stealth and evade out of danger. Agree we should have fewer skills tied to stealth, but that doesn’t make the perma stealth in this game acceptable.
i’d still like to see the ranger reveal…sic em? no that prevents restealthing, not a reveal.
as I said, thieves don’t have the lowest health pool since two other classes have the same. Lowest means singular, not shared with others. among the lowest maybe. even then, thieves can equip some vitality boosts if they chose to do so. it’s a choice to be squishy, sorry.
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There are counters to stealth. They include no cool down high radius aoes, mind reading and 1000m leaps with no cool downs!
I think some people don’t know what hard counter means, lol
Thieves don’t have the lowest health pool. Sorry that is simply false. Bow shots don’t reveal thieves, lol.
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And 2 weeks is horrible. It’s just a game, we all not criminal. It’s the holiday in UK, and now I can’t play, like in to the jail. A game can’t be so seriously like this. The event is just for fun, many ppl above say the rules or something like that. Oh come on, we just play for fun, it’s game, not our life, I normally play on weekend if I have time,I think many ppl are same as me. They won’t pay that attention to a game. For many ppl, they play gw2 just for fun or relax. This game is become so seriously now.
“Ignorancia excusat nomen.” Roman proverb.
Ignorance excuses no one. Don’t band wagon and learn to read.
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Stealth isn’t the problem. Stealth is perfectly balanced. I’ll tell you what the real problem is:
They have 10k hp. They need some defense otherwise they will be freekill everywhere.
I don’t think thieves would like if anet suddenly turned them into a warrior that is just worse than everything warriors do.They only have 10k because they can spec glass cannon. That’s a choice. Unlike other classes, there’s no risk speccing glass cannon on a thief.
Wrong again columbai
Glass Cannon Spec’d thief isn’t spec’d into SA line.
Ever since DAoC all you did was complain about your short commings as game imbalances. I’m sure that new game that just released is awaiting your cries of imbalances on their forums.
Lol. Is Columbai a new title or insult? Like padawan or grasshopper? Can’t keep up with the interwebs lingo, lol
My point stands. Stealth allows heavy dps AND great defenses.
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Stealth isn’t the problem. Stealth is perfectly balanced. I’ll tell you what the real problem is:
They have 10k hp. They need some defense otherwise they will be freekill everywhere.
I don’t think thieves would like if anet suddenly turned them into a warrior that is just worse than everything warriors do.They only have 10k because they can spec glass cannon. That’s a choice. Unlike other classes, there’s no risk speccing glass cannon on a thief.
What are you talking about? GC Thieves are nothing but risk. I like my Thief to have at least 15k HP and if I build GC, that loss of 5k HP doesn’t translate to 5K damage.
The reward at running GC is not worth the risk and having 10K HP is like giving your opponent a free 5k damage hit on you.
Lol so you agree that 10k hp is an exaggeration?
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Easy solutions. Don’t bandwagon. Read the patch notes.
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Stealth isn’t the problem. Stealth is perfectly balanced. I’ll tell you what the real problem is:
They have 10k hp. They need some defense otherwise they will be freekill everywhere.
I don’t think thieves would like if anet suddenly turned them into a warrior that is just worse than everything warriors do.
They only have 10k because they can spec glass cannon. That’s a choice. Unlike other classes, there’s no risk speccing glass cannon on a thief.
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There are no hard counters to stealth in this game. Unclear why not, but their lack badly breaks stealth. Teso has a much better stealth system. You should try it.
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Stealth Trap
Works every time
Lol. I’ve never been hit by a stealth trap because it’s obvious where people place them. Not a counter.
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lol, i play a thief. 1 v 1, you won’t beat me unless you are a thief. Welcome to thief wars online.
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understandable when we play an ez mode class.
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lol at the sanduskies who defend this op nonsense.
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most annoying mechanic in pvp ever. there’s your answer ez mode player.
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The stealth and thief defenders are actually correct, these threads are pointless. It is clear that they have no intention of nerfing thieves, stealth, or their damage output or they would have done it long ago. There is no purpose either complaining about it or for the frantic stack of defensive posts to L2P when another one of these threads come up. Ingame, I still sigh when I get downed with one hit from a stealthed player, then he stealths to finish me off but that’s it, there is nothing I can do about it.
Correct. Anet won’t learn. I moved on to eso.
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As Urdriel pointed out, power is hopeless 100% of the time vs a good thief while tanky rangers may not have enough damage to kill 1.
This sort of absolutism is enraging. It’s why I corrected the post of the guy who said there is nothing to be done against thieves. YOU can not kill thieves, MANY of us can.
“Then they aren’t any good if you can kill them” is not an acceptable answer. If that’s the case, there are no good players at all in the game. I can clearly see who are skilled players, people who are pulling off amazing feats of timing or hitting evades or teles that take me completely by surprise. My first main character was a thief that I played very extensively in all formats of the game, so I know a good thief when I find one.
No one complains about thieves in sPvP (aside from occasional skill imbalances like the current pistol whip.) They have advantages and they have disadvantages, just like every class out there. In WvW you get the added bonus of not even needing to kill the thief you encounter. If he can’t kill you, he’ll probably leave.
Some of you watched a Ready Up a few weeks ago where Matt Visual, someone who is extremely low rank in PvP went up against one of the premier thieves in all of GW2. Matt lost, but it was a good fight.
lol thieves are nerfed in spvp vs wvw. need to learn the basics.
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I am curious where Anet claimed that only thieves can roam. link please?
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Anet has decided that permastealth is acceptable, lol. move on to a better game.
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at least warriors don’t perma stealth and gank you out of nowhere.
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Not fun to play and not fun to play against.. Do the math ArenaNet.
If’s not Living Story or e-sports, they don’t care.
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I’m glad thieves are being nuked… permastealth and a billion DPS….. I think we have all seen thieves take on whole groups of players and win.
nobody likes thieves. even as a thief i hate my fellow thieves. arrogant and annoying.
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The diference of GW2’s stealth vs any other decent games is others games mechanics has detections and counter stealth.
GW2 just has a perma spameable invisibility.
As well as dodge/cc mechanics that counters stealth. As well as non targeted attacks that can hit stealthed targets – other games with conventional stealth do not have that (besides very few untargeted aoe abilities). As well as insane power creep and low passive defences of stealth classes compared to most other games, what enables ppl simply kill stealthed targets in a matter of seconds.
No. Just, no. Wildly swinging melee weapons is not a counter. Get real. And many classes have very limited access to aoe and non-targeted attacks.
A well played thief (and lets be honest, it is not hard to play a thief), with full stacks of everything (borderlands bloodlust, sigil bloodlust X25, Applied Strength, Applied Fortitude), consumables, and ascended gear really can’t be defeated in wvw. Multiple well played thieves easily wipe twice their numbers and they can do it really, really quickly.
The results will look something like this:
1)2.5K steal
2)5.5k c&d
3)8k backstab
[…] a couple auto attacks for 500 each
4)10k Heartseeker
DEAD x_xThe combination of shadow stepping, stealth, high evasion, extremely high spike damage, and no cooldowns due to the initiative system results in a very, very broken class.
Agreed. Anet’s stubborn refusal to address this laughably broken mechanic will come back to haunt them. Whenever I talk to gamers about GW2, they remark that they don’t appreciate getting ganked by invisible enemies – no thanks.
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TESO handles stealth much much better. Many of us will be going there for a fairer game.
If you and the ones leaving are doing it because of stealth, I can only say “Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.”. Now if you are leaving beacuse all the lag/glitching/hacking/neglect, well then I have to agree you have right.
well you must be one of the priviledged few who enjoy stealth in this game, lol. The other reasons you cite are valid too though.
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Or, you can simply take the low road and roll a dire perplexity build that can’t be killed with backstabs before the thief is forced to retreat or bleeds / burns to death.
Lmao, maybe I’m misinterpreting this so I apologize if so, but… “The low road”? So rolling a condition build isn’t fair because we’re harder for a Thief to kill? Sorry.. But I can’t burst a Thief down in the 2seconds they’re visible before stealthing again. So I compensate by stacking as many conditions as I can before they disappear and hopefully either reappear downed or running with their tail between their legs.
Anyway, in regards to the subject at hand… I agree with just about everything people have said here. It’s nice to know I’m not the only one who thinks it’s a bullsh** mechanic. Fortunately I’m a high condition damage Necromancer so most of the time they don’t cause me a lot of trouble… But again, as has been said here, if it’s a good Thief you pretty well can’t win because they’ll just keep resetting the fight. And that’s exactly what happens.
Thieves don’t need any nerfs. What they do need is some kind of risk versus reward for stealthing as a pose to being able to spam it at will. If you call that a nerf you’re forgetting that you don’t have to run a glassy build… Thieves are a medium weight profession. Berserker gear isn’t the only stat available to you, there are plenty of others to choose from. I’ve fought Thieves who run stealthless and I respect them like mad because they’re not abusing a broken mechanic. Not only that the stealthless ones are just as deadly, but at least I have a fair chance to defend myself.
Imho, anyone who says QQ when people say something needs to be done about perma stealth are one of two things; someone who has never played anything but a Thief, or someone who rolled a Thief so they could troll and don’t want their griefing abilities removed.
Not all thieves feel that way. I play several thieves, and I completely agree with your sentiment. This broken stealth mechanic is ruining this game, makes GW2 a laughingstock, and drives players to other games. Too many thieves want their precious god mode because they are bad players.
TESO handles stealth much much better. Many of us will be going there for a fairer game.
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This game’s stealth is the most laughably imbalanced mechanic I’ve ever seen. It’s embarassing that this nonsense has been in so long. It’s also hilarious that our class has been nerfed in spvp but not in wvw. I can go for hours on my thief without dying in wvw. I don’t understand how people find that challenging, but so many bad players play this class and don’t want to give up their god mode.
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same things we’ve been “whining about” since release. imbalanced classes being ignored by anet. I never whined about account bound wxp or the other things they are “giving” us. don’t really care about them. if they balanced stealth, perhaps I wouldn’t go to eso.
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After at least a few dozen threads shedding light on this particular issue, I’m not exactly optimistic about a.net ever getting to grips with stealth. It is ingrained in the design of certain classes (notably, of course, the thief) to the point where a redesign would be too risky and/or place too large demands on resources to be warranted. Or at least that’s how I think a.net feels about it.
Stealth is hands down the worst mechanic that exists in GW2. Though you certainly can’t blame thief players for playing the hand that was dealt them, it doesn’t take long to realize why a mechanic that is tied into almost all of the benefits of the class (damage, healing, condition removal, etc) while having nearly no limitations (a short “revealed” debuff) is a bad idea. It is never the wrong move to stealth, there is hardly any perceivable risk associated with it, and there are no counters. It’s just bad design, and it needs an overhaul.
But it will take a lot of pressure to make a.net move on this. It does at least make you wonder how many more of these threads they are willing to endure/ignore.
well many of us will just leave for better games. guess that’s pressure, lol
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The diference of GW2’s stealth vs any other decent games is others games mechanics has detections and counter stealth.
GW2 just has a perma spameable invisibility.
As well as dodge/cc mechanics that counters stealth. As well as non targeted attacks that can hit stealthed targets – other games with conventional stealth do not have that (besides very few untargeted aoe abilities). As well as insane power creep and low passive defences of stealth classes compared to most other games, what enables ppl simply kill stealthed targets in a matter of seconds.
Those other games also have dodge, block, cc etc etc to counter stealth. Yes, ESO’s stealth is far far more balanced than is the perma stealth nonsense in GW2. ANet’s refusal to deal with this laughably OP mechanic will lose them customers. Most of my guild, which includes some ANET employees, is leaving for teso. that should tell you something.
My GW2 Thieves are hands down the most OP’d class I’ve played in 20+ years of MMOs. Anet refuses to listen to the majority who is sick to death of the troll permastealth garbage. Let’s add to that, the state of the warrior class. Not as op’d as thieves but the perma stun garbage is abhorrant.
Anyone who claims that thieves are defenseless without stealth are lying. their HP is comparable to other medium armor classes, their armor is medium (better than some classes) and they can spec high toughness and healing if they choose to. Most thieves don’t spec survivability because they can spec massive dps AND have better defenses with stealth. broken, trash mechanic.
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lol not. Anet loves thieves. what you call nerfs…lol. you haven’t seen nerfs. we are still the most hated class in the game, so clearly anet hasn’t really hurt us.
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Already rolled 7 classes to level 80, and my thief characters are hands down the easiest to play in wvw. only the warrior comes close, lol.
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lol. why get hyped? Really not different from non season wvw
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perma stun by the stun monkeys is easy mode.
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many of us old dark age devotees love eso AvA over the WvW here. Far less laggy and more strategic.
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Lol. My thief is immune to lots of things. It’s how poorly balanced stealth is.
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Face it. Anet still has visions of fortune with their spvp e-sports lol. Just look at how much time the developers invest in spvp and the spvp forum. I count about 20 dev posts in the spvp forum for every dev post in the wvw forum. Get over the fact that wvw is a necessary evil to anet. I’d wager that they regret ever creating wvw. Make your choices in future games accordingly. ps. teso only has wvw as a pvp option.
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8 months playing WvW, same server, under a couple of different guilds (1 defensive, 1 offensive) depending on what I feel like doing. If I get bored/annoyed with that (and it’s usually the people that annoy me, not the game), I go do something else for a while.
Some of the complaining on this forum is outrageously gratuitous.
“Warrior is OP”
“Warrior sucks”
“Ranger is OP”
“Ranger sucks”
“Thief is OP”
“Thief sucks”
“Upcoming changes suck” (before they’ve even been seen, tested or looked at in the big picture.
“Anet sucks”It’s all so incredibly negative. Hardly any kudos to Anet for the amazing game we have the privileged lives to play. Anet actively tries to kitten players off? As if.
umm. i’ve never seen anyone claim that rangers are op’d lol. thieves and warriors are laughably imbalanced, however, and are shameful. Frankly, the inability to balance classes in this game is pretty embarassing. The GM traits were insulting.
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Just read this …
‘There will be spells to detect stealthed individuals’
What a crazy concept
yep, lol. but anet refuses to use hard counters. lol.
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about time the god mode stun monkeys got a nerf. it’s a puny nerf, however. go cry elsewhere.
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Heck, I will see loads of downed players fighting each other….
stupid.And somewhere within Anet a bean counter laughs as an increased death rate creates a better gold sink. Those who play must pay. Those who sit and flip, get to profit.
their refusal to reduce highly annoying elements like perma stealth and god mode warriors are just driving players to eso. Most of us would never have considered eso if not for the arrogance or apathy of these developers. Many anet employees feel the same way about this development team, and I can guarantee you that anet employees are playing eso.
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People won’t leave to play TESO. The game is riddled with more fundamental problems than GW believe it or not.
Are you realy sure about that ?
The only thing that is keeping GW2 population alive is the F2P model with NO p2w item shop model, otherwise this game would be already dead.
Anyway TESO is going to hit GW2 population much harder than you think.
The main reason?
Too few and too slow changes over almost 2 years since the game release and for the most part in the wrong direction.
Listening to the community too much is wrong but also is don’t listening at all.
Zenimax is already showing that they are listening more to their customers’ needs, with facts not empty words.
Ok I am an unhappy GW2 customer but for a reason, I was promised things since the first beta that still have to happens 2 years later.
People who dismiss teso never tried its pvp. significantly better than wvw. No permastealth nonsense, no god mode warrior like classes, no aoe cap, zergballing hurts you.
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Pass the Wind will not be used because it’s not close to being worth 30 pts. 10 pts maybe. same for the other gm traits.
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Anet refuses to balance warriors and thieves and lets other classes languish in despair – e.g. rangers. stealth makes this game the laughingstock of mmos, seriously. even anet employees who aren’t developers realize these elements are badly broken.
it’s ok better games are launching.
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Outmanned only means an automatic loss in GW2 given Aoe caps and benefits given to zergballing.
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