Guild Wars 2

don’t wreck anymore world bosses please. i only do these stupid things to get the required dragonite ore. i just want to finish them. you want more challenges? go do dungeons.

decent thieves will just laugh this off. noobs will have to l2p or leave.

Shemsu.8721:

Sanduskel.1850:

tigirius.9014:

Completely agree with you there. If we are going to lose stealth where is the compensation of all of the things this class lacks?

Shemsu.8721:

McWolfy.5924:

Andrew.6487:

doesn’t need stealth ? are u joke ? how u defeat a engi/necro/war without stealth ? if u can it just because they are nooooooooooooooooooooooooobs . what’s your pvp rank ? if not above 45 , u can’t talking about fighting , and the most important is , there is no 1 v 1 fighting in wvw , how can u escape without stealth?

as any other profession. i think put stealth in this game was a bug mistake. ranger sword is a playstyle what i can immagine to a thief. more agility and less stealth and blind to the thieves. (and mesmers)

As any other profession? so thieves should get access to multiple invulnerability mechanics, access to blocking skills, higher base hp, much much greater boon access, access to protection, access to stability? all the things thieves lack and give up for 3 seconds of stealth

I don’t feel like I lack anything on my thief. I can heal quickly via stealth. I have the best mobility, and I have the best burst. Those who disagree rely on permastealth too much.

Literally everything you mention is connected to stealth. Which is disabled via revealed. So with classes given ways to apply revealed like a condition, you would lack all those things.

not perma stealth so, no.

tigirius.9014:

Completely agree with you there. If we are going to lose stealth where is the compensation of all of the things this class lacks?

Shemsu.8721:

McWolfy.5924:

Andrew.6487:

doesn’t need stealth ? are u joke ? how u defeat a engi/necro/war without stealth ? if u can it just because they are nooooooooooooooooooooooooobs . what’s your pvp rank ? if not above 45 , u can’t talking about fighting , and the most important is , there is no 1 v 1 fighting in wvw , how can u escape without stealth?

as any other profession. i think put stealth in this game was a bug mistake. ranger sword is a playstyle what i can immagine to a thief. more agility and less stealth and blind to the thieves. (and mesmers)

As any other profession? so thieves should get access to multiple invulnerability mechanics, access to blocking skills, higher base hp, much much greater boon access, access to protection, access to stability? all the things thieves lack and give up for 3 seconds of stealth

I don’t feel like I lack anything on my thief. I can heal quickly via stealth. I have the best mobility, and I have the best burst. Those who disagree rely on permastealth too much.

McWolfy.5924:

Andrew.6487:

doesn’t need stealth ? are u joke ? how u defeat a engi/necro/war without stealth ? if u can it just because they are nooooooooooooooooooooooooobs . what’s your pvp rank ? if not above 45 , u can’t talking about fighting , and the most important is , there is no 1 v 1 fighting in wvw , how can u escape without stealth?

as any other profession. i think put stealth in this game was a bug mistake. ranger sword is a playstyle what i can immagine to a thief. more agility and less stealth and blind to the thieves. (and mesmers)

Stealth is a crutch for noobs. Decent thieves don’t need perma stealth to win.

Andrew.6487:

And than ? Will u give we anti-clone skill ? or anti-pet skill ? anti-condi skill ? why is
thief only ? bad idea at all ! I give up, I’ll never spend any money on your game !

Decent thieves won’t have any problem with this. We will still gank people. The noob thieves who perma stealth won’t like it, but who cares. The game doesn’t need them.

FluffyFox.2756:

Avatara.1042:

Shemsu.8721:

Lithril Ashwalker.6230:

noticed that i had to rip boons off of a guardian in order to soften it up with S/D on my thief…was with another guardian, we were against a mesmer and a guard. both repplaied boons without a problem, really glassy however i dont see where S/D Larcenous needs a change at all if its a negative change…if anything it needs a buff , a slgiht buff to actually assist in softening up targets more, theyll just easily reapply buffs without a problem..
WHERE…is Larcenous “OP”…seems to be Underpowered if anything.

Pretty much this exactly, in its current state you can burn all your resources cleaning someone of boons, and 3 seconds later the guard/ele/eng/mesmer will have full stacks of everything again while your at maybe 20% initiative. Thats why it was not a worthwhile counter before the buff, and it will again be worthless if its changed as suggested

That is just not true.

Nice counter argument! :P

If they’re going to nerf larcenous strike again, they’d better make it faster, or cost less initiative, because as it is now, it’s a total initiative drain and it’s really slow compared to the old flanking strike, even though the old flanking strike only stripped one boon, it was inexpensive and quick. The nerf to Larcenous strike could make it almost worthless.

Your statement was not true.

i never hit anti stealth traps. just be observant.

Ghrim.6139:

Incurafy.6329:

Sanduskel.1850:

Novomundum.8325:

I see. So the dp builds is op while everything else is fine. I can’t believe some people are condemning an entire profession based on 1 builds though. seems a bit close minded. But now, what’s the deal with dp? is there really absolutely no way to solve their nigh immortality?

Well 90+% of my fellow thieves use that spec. Thieves who don’t rely on perma stealth aren’t opd at all. They don’t need the crutch.

Stealth isn’t a crutch, it’s one of the two viable build types that Thieves have, and acting as though any Thief that plays a stealth build is somehow inferior is plain kittening stupid.

Exactly, Exactly, Exactly….

Acting as though a little stealth reveal will matter paints people as poor players.

Incurafy.6329:

Sanduskel.1850:

Novomundum.8325:

I see. So the dp builds is op while everything else is fine. I can’t believe some people are condemning an entire profession based on 1 builds though. seems a bit close minded. But now, what’s the deal with dp? is there really absolutely no way to solve their nigh immortality?

Well 90+% of my fellow thieves use that spec. Thieves who don’t rely on perma stealth aren’t opd at all. They don’t need the crutch.

Stealth isn’t a crutch, it’s one of the two viable build types that Thieves have, and acting as though any Thief that plays a stealth build is somehow inferior is plain kittening stupid.

Well some of we thieves welcome the upcoming challenge, so many of you don’t speak for all thieves either.

Novomundum.8325:

I see. So the dp builds is op while everything else is fine. I can’t believe some people are condemning an entire profession based on 1 builds though. seems a bit close minded. But now, what’s the deal with dp? is there really absolutely no way to solve their nigh immortality?

Well 90+% of my fellow thieves use that spec. Thieves who don’t rely on perma stealth aren’t opd at all. They don’t need the crutch.

No thanks. I like rolling over helpless enemies

ilr.9675:

Piogre.2164:

TheJokester.4672:

ok he is crying stealth is revoked by revealed. ok use detected stealth still doesnt offer any help dps burst with stealth comes from backstab ie not being seen and able to get behind ur enemy even if u can use backstab ur still able to be seen ur not getting behind that guy

Play tf2 and you’ll see how easy it is to see an enemy, know where they are, and still let them slip by and backstab you

That’s ONLY the case with Deadringer … which even if you don’t have some kind of liquid to throw on them, you could still “feel” them when you bumped into them. And you’re probably saying “who would ever just walk straight into you when they’re trying to hide?”…. Well Deadringers for one b/c they got way too confident in it being practically an immortality mechanic against average players. Before the Icicle thing came along though, I used to have like 20-1 KDR’s against most of the best spies on my server with Puff&Sting pyro and I was not a high KDR player, no sir.

The same exact thing can be said about too much stealth in this game. Most thieves going glass just b/c they’re so used to stealth being a “get out of everything” for free card. …. Bad mechanics can literally turn otherwise good players into Bad Players

This is exactly the problem with my fellow stealth dependent thieves. They can have perma stealth, which is the best defense, and the highest dps. Zero risk. Some of we thieves prefer a challenge, not easy mode.

I prefer the ranger pet idea from anet. Thanks though.

Don’t rely on stealth as an easy mode crutch. Improve the reputation of our beloved class.

Yes. I like it quite a bit. Thank you.

The stealth reveal is a complete non event IMHO. I don’t need perma stealth to win.

sminkiottone.6972:

UnknownRH.4592:

I log into forums and every day I see a thread posted about perma stealth thief. Nabs will keep posting such threads until the receive a thief on plate for dinner.

Don’t worry good thiefs will still be good, it’s just the rest of you that will need to reroll the next Op class to win

I welcome these changes since they will remove all the scrubs ruining the reputation of my class. I welcome the challenge! My thief is just too easy right now.

I am a thief, and I welcome the changes! Bring it on rangers!

Simplicity.7208:

Kaon….Huh…I like that. It makes a lot of sense. I’ve always held that the biggest problem people have with thieves is not being able to see their attacker. They panic, they don’t know how to move, how to defend, where to attack, and it makes for a free kill. It’s a psychological issue, not a balance issue. People who know how to defend themselves against stealth always respond better and I’ve had days where I’m completely shut down on all my backstabs, forced to flee just because someone was superb at timing their blocks.

Also, I want to see a D/P or D/D thief kill a bunker spirit ranger. Good luck with that one. Even without Sick ‘Em, they’re a pretty kitten hard thief counter.

One more thought: “Focus the pet, that’ll work. Surely.”
Because it’s not like rangers can just take out a new pet when their first one goes down…Odds are you can’t even kill that second pet before his first pet is off recharge which means you’ll just spend 100% of your time fighting his pet constantly getting closer to death while the ranger DPSes you. Even if you can DPS his second pet down in under 10 seconds, what are you left with? No utilities? No initiative? And only about 5 seconds before the pet is back at your heels. This is why people don’t focus the clones/phantasms against a mesmer. Protracted fights against walking zoos work against the person with the less pets.

As for me, hanging up the thief until everyone is over themselves. Warriors are an easy button that I’ve tried to resist pressing, but meh. Obviously ANet doesn’t give a kitten so we’re doing the easy mode.

You’re quitting your thief over THIS? Lol. Try an evade thief. Ezmode.

Bribegate paying people to be their friends again? Surprise surprise!

Thieves who know their class don’t need to rely on stealth to win. It’s only periodic, not permastealth, just as the developers intended. The developers didn’t intend permastealth to be in this games.

As a thief, I say bring on more revealed skills! They will wash away the scrubs who give this class a bad reputation.

I wish anet balance WvWvW around WvWvW not tpvp.

I don’t see the upcoming changes as nerfs. I see them as buffs. If you relied less on stealth, you’d understand.

Zanryu.3417:

It does my heart good to see a stealth class get a major nerf to that mechanic. For those of you complaining about a useless trait line… you do realize every class tends to have a PvE and a PvP build right? There are traits on classes that are useful for PvP or PvE, but usually not both as they don’t offer what you’d need in such a situation depending on your build or what your’e going for. Surely the other 4 trait lines of a Thief could be used for PvP and the stealth line could be used in a PvE build?

jajajaja?

I am a thief, and I consider the upcoming patch to be a buff. My fellow thieves shouldn’t rely so much on stealth.

Shemsu.8721:

Knote.2904:

SteepledHat.1345:

Play a thief for a while and they don’t seem overpowered. So many newbies in this thread.

Sorry but you would regret saying that as people find out how simple and forgiving it is to play Thief and just reinforce their QQ of the class lol.

Actually I find the opposite to be true. When i’m playing my thief I have 0 room for error, one mis-timed dodge and i’m done (even in soldiers gear in wvw) you have to play perfect to succeed. However when i play my warrior or guardian its an entirely different story, I usually watch tv while playing those two toons, because I dont need to pay attention, just hit 1-10 keys randomly and pick up loot bags, nothing is more forgiving than having access to ACTUAL INVULNERABILITY! not to mention highest armor, some of the highest healing, aegis, protection, massive aoe cc, highest damage specs is there anything that guardian and warrior dont have?

That’s true as long as you don’t spec to get perma stealth.

I would do both, saden.

A thief 1 shot me!

This improvement isn’t really anything to worry about. 4s isn’t long, and it will finally make fighting rangers a challenge. They need lovin too.

I am excited. GOod work anet.

I loved stealth in dark age. There I had to really consider whether I should attack. The only escape in stealth was available at high cost and was on a 15 min timer.

Please add hard counters to stealth! My thief needs a challenge.

As a WvWvW thief I welcome the reveal on ranger pets. They deserve loving, and this will rid us of thieves who need to l2p without perma stealth. Good riddance.

No need for petty insults. The stealth counter will make the game fun again. It’s really not fun being able to perma stealth without consequences. You also missed the several improvements that anet is giving us. From a WvWvW thief, thank yo Anet!

Black Teagan.9215:

Sanduskel.1850:

My thief fully heals while stealthed…

…and your heal stay even so under the heal from the warriorsignet, and stealth is not permanent

What are you trying to communicate?

I think these changes are a big buff to thieves. Thank you anet!

I enjoy all these changes. They keep this game fresh and challenging!

My thief fully heals while stealthed…

As a thief, I really have to laugh at all the raging from my fellow thieves. This won’t hurt a bit…

Wow. That’s a lot of damage!

well i don’t like it when I die on my thief, but i manage to win lots without BS. you can too!

It’s fun for people who have to perma stealth but it’s even more fun to play a stealth less thief. try it for a decent challenge.

then learn to win without bs

try playing a no stealth thief. It will help you l2p.

i got hit by a few stealth traps today. they actually made wvw challenging and fun. bring on more anti stealth skills. i don’t spec high stealth skills so I guess that’s why

and for the stealth design. but they are fixing it soon.

I like this change. WvWvW really isn’t very challenging on my thief right now. thank you anet.

I find my thief to be really op’d in wvw. I really don’t die in solo fights unless i want to. This is wrong and should be balanced. Thank you anet.

I like the sic em idea. As a wvwvw avid thief, I don’t use stealth that much because it’s too easy. Every class should have an anti stealth counter!