Guild Wars 2

Agreed, but there is a permastealth mechanic in this game that far too many people are too happy to abuse. Eliminate that possibility and people will like thieves.

I am just here to respectfully remind you all that fail is a verb. It is neither a noun nor an adjective. Carry on.

You can get good stability. You simply need to give up something else……like every other class.

Zacchary.6183:

There is nothing to discuss.

Thieves are scapegoats for the community and developers. There is nothing a thief can do that another class can do better. We are crap support. We have crap sustain. We melt and our survivability relies on the constant spamming of stealth, blinds and dodging. Our cleanse and damage mitigation sucks. This class is losing versatility every patch and the devs won’t do a thing about it because none of them play or know what this class is like. No offense but…

Nonsense. Stop playing the victim. I don’t melt and I contribute to zergs. However, I don’t scrub it up and rely on permastealth. I can burst well, escape better than any other class and penetrate back lines better than any other class. If you believe that you can’t do anything better than any other class you need to L2P

I agree that perma stealth and the scrubs who rely on this crutch are holding back our class. Not sure that this is the right solution, but I agree with your intent. I don’t need to rely on perma stealth to win, and the challenge makes this game much more fun.

Remove the training wheels!

Lol. Stealth traps. It’s cute that anet thought those would affect thieves.

Niim.9260:

Fuzzion.2504:

Niim.9260:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

I’m just glad we finally got a sliver of communication going between the WvW team and the playerbase.

How does any of that differ from the normal drivel we get? Seems remarkably the same kind of ‘we are working on it’ response.

‘working on it’ should eventually result in implementation. All we see implemented is garbage that ignores what players are telling them, so when is this ‘working on it’ going to actually pay off?

This is because Devon wants to make sure he does not pull out a “TOA” style expansion from DAoC which killed off 50% of the player base.

TOA was an expansion that makes the progression from exotic gear to ascended gear look small in comparison. Basically EA/Mythic made such drastic changes that not only required players months of grinding to get gear but also made it that you were almost 50% better than the player without toa ML and Gear.

So better tiny updates than significant explosions.

However, some of their class balance skills and lag problems need better work done on them

Why are you comparing an expansion to lack of any meaningful improvements to wvw at a patch level? Just felt like talking about DAoC? There isnt even anything closely related to TOA being discussed, so why bring it up?

being forced to gring fractals for the backpiece mat drop is about as bad as toa.

Dark Catalyst.1028:

More thief nerfs I see. Thanks! It really makes me want to play my class when all I can look forward to are nerfs, while other people get to be genuinely excited about the changes to the professions they play.

those aren’t nerfs, lol

lol fractals. never wasted my time on those .

I don’t get it. You don’t get every op’d thing you want so you quit?

what nerf? my thief will still be great.

my thief has no problems with warriors.

Doomdesire.9365:

I found heavy to be much more satisfying in zergs, as well as alot easier to play. Eles and Necros are essential, but extremely difficult to play in certain situations. For instance, garri fights and pushing through chokes. Eles have to push with the melee train, and end up taking too much damage. If they stay back, they die.

Thieves and Rangers are a total joke in WvW zerging though. Don’t even bother. Thieves should roam and rangers should reroll. That’s how you benefit the “zerg”, from my experiences.

Thieves are geat in WvWvW and are good in WvWvW zergs. You just need to learn to play without relying on permastealth. Bunker rangers are fine.

i’ve never had a problem with rangers in wvw, i am sorry to say

Doomdesire.9365:

Sanduskel.1850:

No. I do fine with what we have.

You don’t want variety?

no. i think it would create even more problems.

broken mechanic is broken. i am a thief, and it’s plain as day.

how hard is it to allow vial essences to be obtained via wvw? seriously. that’s not a change, it’s a lie.

the pve queens see themselves as morally superior and thus think they can tell us to man up and do content that we hate. glaringly obvious. unfortunately, anet agrees with the pve queens.

Ynot.8397:

Sanduskel.1850:

Ynot.8397:

Sanduskel.1850:

Ynot.8397:

Contiguous.1345:

Ynot.8397:

5 hours of PvE is not going to kill you.

What the kitten sort of attitude is that?
You want to [insert pleasant activity]?
You just need to spend 5 hours cleaning the toilet first. It won’t kill you!

Sometimes if you want something you do have to work for it. IDK how people hate pve sooooo much. I am not a fan of sitting there and killing mobs, but if you don’t like fractals listen to something funny. Sit there and laugh at a comedian while you run your level 1 fractal. Bam, now you have something fun to do while you do something that isn’t all that difficult.

Fine, let me “work for it” in wvwvw as they promised they would. why did they fail to follow through on that promise.

I’m not saying they didn’t fail, but the solution to your problem is so easy that it is a non-issue. Don’t complain about something that could have been solved with 5 hours of work over the past 7 months or however long fractals have been around.

it’s not necessarily 5 hours of work. i’ve had many friends who had to grind well in excess of 10 fractals. some of us hate that garbage, and I refuse to do crap I hate in the hope that something I must have MIGHT drop. guarantee me a drop on the 5th, and I would do it.

10 hours of work over months is still nothing. Lets pretend you have 7 hours of free time each day of the week on average, even though I am sure you have much more. Over the course of all of those months you would have roughly 1500 free hours in which you can get that back piece. You are telling me that you can’t manage to do that? You are being silly.

10 hours of torture? yes. I am telling you I can’t manage to do that. fractals literally make me want to uninstall. in addition, why should I be forced to do garbage I hate? why can’t they just let the essence vial drop in wvw? why is that so difficult? why must they punish people who hate fractals? is it pride, stubborness or a sense of superiority that makes them think they know what’s good for us? why did they lie about everything being achievable in wvw?

speak for yourself. just because you like pve garbage, doesn’t give you the right to force it down everyone else’s throats.

Ynot.8397:

Sanduskel.1850:

Ynot.8397:

Contiguous.1345:

Ynot.8397:

5 hours of PvE is not going to kill you.

What the kitten sort of attitude is that?
You want to [insert pleasant activity]?
You just need to spend 5 hours cleaning the toilet first. It won’t kill you!

Sometimes if you want something you do have to work for it. IDK how people hate pve sooooo much. I am not a fan of sitting there and killing mobs, but if you don’t like fractals listen to something funny. Sit there and laugh at a comedian while you run your level 1 fractal. Bam, now you have something fun to do while you do something that isn’t all that difficult.

Fine, let me “work for it” in wvwvw as they promised they would. why did they fail to follow through on that promise.

I’m not saying they didn’t fail, but the solution to your problem is so easy that it is a non-issue. Don’t complain about something that could have been solved with 5 hours of work over the past 7 months or however long fractals have been around.

it’s not necessarily 5 hours of work. i’ve had many friends who had to grind well in excess of 10 fractals. some of us hate that garbage, and I refuse to do crap I hate in the hope that something I must have MIGHT drop. guarantee me a drop on the 5th, and I would do it.

Ynot.8397:

Contiguous.1345:

Ynot.8397:

5 hours of PvE is not going to kill you.

What the kitten sort of attitude is that?
You want to [insert pleasant activity]?
You just need to spend 5 hours cleaning the toilet first. It won’t kill you!

Sometimes if you want something you do have to work for it. IDK how people hate pve sooooo much. I am not a fan of sitting there and killing mobs, but if you don’t like fractals listen to something funny. Sit there and laugh at a comedian while you run your level 1 fractal. Bam, now you have something fun to do while you do something that isn’t all that difficult.

Fine, let me “work for it” in wvwvw as they promised they would. why did they fail to follow through on that promise.

Substance E.4852:

Terkov.4138:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlY9zmStiMU

I’m afraid this 1 counter to stealth won’t be enough…

My god, I am so sick of the Heartseeker+Black Powder combo in WvW.

It’s complete bullkitten that there is even a way to be permanently stealthed in the first place. They need to change the effect smoke fields give blasts and leaps or remove the leap finisher from heartseeker.

I main a thief and I agree with you. Perma stealth was never intended and is an exploit of game mechanics. Scrub use this exploit.

kingcragus.6810:

Running a few fracs is not grinding. If you had to do fracs 5 hours a day for 5 months to get 1 vial of mist…that would be grinding.

If they ever did add ascended back piece to the WvW laurel vendor I can guarantee that it would still be quicker to run the fracs and buy the mats than it would be to save the x amount of laurels/badges/ectos they would ask for it. And lets be honest they would not make it cheap.

And then ever one would be crying about how laurels are too slow, not alt friendly blah blah blah

Don’t tell me what is grinding. One hour of doing something I hate is too much. I don’t care how long it would take in WvWvW. It would at least be enjoyable.

They still have not allowed vial essence, the required mat for ascended backpacks, outside their miserable fractals. They promised they would do it within a few months after they launched the despicable fractals. This was a lie.

No. I do fine with what we have.

The permastealthers are the scrubs, sorry. I’ve played it and its zero challenge.

fine then you won’t mind when it is fixed. lol

Zacchary.6183:

Sanduskel.1850:

Zacchary.6183:

Sanduskel.1850:

They missed one. Catering to scrubs.

Fixed.

indeed, they cater to perma stealthers. FIXED.

yes, but I want to protect my scrub build

Fixed

Ynot.8397:

Sanduskel.1850:

yes. you MUST grind fractals. if you are lucky you will get the vial of essence after 5. if you are like others, it will take 20 fractals. anet has said that they know what’s good for us, and we must try other content to optimize game enjoyment.

I’ve seen people get multiple globs in the first run. They are rareish, but most people get them before fractal level 10. Fractals take about an hour for the first 5 levels if you have 1 person who knows what they are doing. 5 hours of PvE is not going to kill you.

So you know what’s good for me too? Whatever happened to “play how you want,” or is that only for pve queens? Lol 5 hours of crap I hate to get the best gear. Thanks nanny!

He missed outright lying.

Ricky.4706:

optimize game enjoyment ? what am I, a laptop ? i just want to pvp with best specs.

Don’t blame me. That’s their point of view. You cannot possible reach GW2 maximum fulfillment until you run 10-20 fractals.

Zacchary.6183:

Sanduskel.1850:

They missed one. Catering to scrubs.

Fixed.

indeed, they cater to perma stealthers. FIXED.

yes. you MUST grind fractals. if you are lucky you will get the vial of essence after 5. if you are like others, it will take 20 fractals. anet has said that they know what’s good for us, and we must try other content to optimize game enjoyment.

yeah, I disagree. running away and surviving is at worst a draw. Often it counts as a win. certain builds are scrub because there are zero consequences for bad play.

Kalan.9705:

Silas.8630:

Hexin.5603:

I bought my finisher. And likely will buy another… just read the tag line /supportinGvG

I’ve bought several finishers as well, unfortunately it may be too late at this point and we’re kind of stuck in a Mexican standoff. Anet isn’t willing to devote resources to fixing a game mode that isn’t profitable and WvW players aren’t willing to throw more money at a company that doesn’t support their game mode. Realistically, they have until Q2 2014 to decide if it’s worth trying to keep us around, and we are a rather fickle bunch…

I think anet’s wvw community represents one of the most loyal and patient player bases yet seen in a mmo. Can you imagine the pve community putting up with the party system being broken for over a year with no eta on fix either? Wvw reward to effort ratio is just staggeringly bad and yet the complaints are polite and restrained. Rampant promise breaking power grind that infests our game mode further with every patch. Moves hated by the community like char bound wxp grind, outmanned staying useless while we get bloodlust instead etc.

I’m very surprised anet doesn’t get a lot more ‘feedback’…

It’s because there is no other decent open world pvp game out there. Daoc was good, but it’s dated and unsupported. Failhammer died a justified death. Aion is far too grindy, gear heavy and rng dependent. I will eagerly try teso and Camelot unchained once they launch.

They missed one. Allowing scrub builds like permastealth. I agree that doing things that appeal only to the elitists but are required is horrific – ascended garbage.

Necrosis are pretty easy to beat on my thief. I don’t think that they are opd.

Latinkuro.9420:

Ranger
Sick ‘Em will now apply ‘Revealed” to enemies they target. We want to introduce some counter play to Stealth (players have asked for that for a while), so we thought a pet “catching your scent” might be a cool way to insinuate some anti-stealth into the game.

You cannot introduce anti stealth for just one class !
how about 2 classes, imo engineers are much better suited for stealth detection, hello ! they use technology, which makes more sense than a stupid pet having stealth detection

Agreed, since too many scrubs use permastealth, giving my class a bad name. I don’t rely on that exploit.

Thieves can be great in group play if you don’t rely on the scrub builds that give permastealth.

Lol, I did the perma stealth build for a few weeks, and it’s just way too easy. No challenge at all. I consider it an exploit, hence my derisive attribution to that style of play. It gives the thief class a bad rap.

It’s a scrub build.

Saviourslave.6715:

So there’s a grand total of 4 actually helpful posts that actually respond to the subject matter in a constructive non-argumentative manner… Guess that’s GD for you, honestly expected more. If you just started reading this post, and are about to decide not to contribute because it’s a hostile environment or it’s got stupid arguments in it, please reconsider, I value your opinion.

Well you want them to take the game in a direction that would be annoying to most of us, lol. What did you expect?

just roll a thief like i did. no issue with tanks.

nice work sor at sor garrison, holding off the double team!

Wanderer.3248:

Excalibur.9748:

Thief is completely useless outside of trolling stragglers. They should have more of a role in zergs.

Spamming blast finishers (if you have a Zerg that knows what it’s doing having the ability to spam a blast finisher can be really useful). You can apply AOE stealth, blindness, poison and weakness (with the right moves). Or just spam other people’s fields.

Shadow refuge on a downed ally to get them up can make the difference between winning and losing a fight. And you can often down and finish a weak opponent and get out again, in situations where they might have been healed back up by allies.

And as the fastest class in the game with the easiest escapes, they make excellent scouts. You might not get as many bags or WXP as a scout, but your commander will appreciate it.

agreed. my thief does just fine in zerg. then again I don’t use permastealth as a crutch like scrubs do.

No, they aren’t the same

My thief is under powered. I’m sure you’ve seen some of this guy’s gems from various posts.

I have no problem taking out guardians or warriors on my thief. No issues, even though I don’t use the scrub perma stealth build.

No. I play wvw or Spvp. Don’t make me go back to do things. Let me choose. I don’t need incentives shoved down my throat, thanks.

Omaris Mortuus Est.2738:

Hey TC can you dins out who those imbeciles are on your server.

From the guild Love and Friendship [LOVE] they enjoy glitching into Klovan with thieves.

SOR reports people on our server for things like this. As stated above, the moral high ground.