Guild Wars 2

style.6173:

Sanduskel.1850:

You can see this coming a mile away. L2dodge

Or try WvW sometime. Dodging is great when you are playing against someone one on one. In WvW, you often need to fight multiple. Dodges are needed for the people who you are fighting against in melee range.

Anyway, give WvW a try sometime. You’ll understand then.

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I constantly move and dodge often in wvw. I also pan the camera to watch my enemies. This is an easy animation to read. Try it sometime. You’ll understand then.

SOR hasn’t, sorry. We discussed this amongst our guilds and soundly rejected it. Try again, good sir!

You can see this coming a mile away. L2dodge

Thieves really haven’t been nerfed that much, certainly no more than other classes. Welcome back!

That’s really funny. SOR experienced constant double teaming from BG and JQ this week in the BG BL. Move on, seriously.

Lets hope that they live up to the promise they made nearly a year ago. I cannot imagine why it’s taken so long to add a simple vial of essence as a reward to be purchased in wvw.

Well many of us enjoy playing our thieves and don’t agree that this class is broken. You attack anyone who disagrees with you on the state of this class.

I see. So that explains why bg and Jq refused to fight each other on the bg hills fight last night. One held the door while the other flooded the lords room to fight SOR defenders. 2v1 indeed.

Imagi.4561:

Sanduskel.1850:

Well disrupting back lines aren’t just 1v1 fights. Blinds are useful in group fights. Look at ranger aoes. They aren’t that good either. Just because single target dps is the strength of the class doesn’t mean that said class can’t contribute to a group.

Sometimes I really have to wonder if you read other people’s comments before replying to them.

Never, at any point, have I said Thieves were useless or can’t contribute at all. However, I said that any role a Thief can perform in a group, another class can perform better. Mesmers and Necros can disrupt backlines, and Mesmers and Eles can both make better distractions. Numerous classes can blind.

I disagree that other classes do these things better.

Enjoying my thief more than ever in wvw, now.

Well disrupting back lines aren’t just 1v1 fights. Blinds are useful in group fights. Look at ranger aoes. They aren’t that good either. Just because single target dps is the strength of the class doesn’t mean that said class can’t contribute to a group.

Groups don’t need back lines disrupted, blinds, distractions etc? No class does those things better.

Imagi.4561:

Sanduskel.1850:

Imagi.4561:

Ryan.8367:

He’s done with the class because he’s bad at arguably the highest reward class in the game. No other class yields as much skill ceiling reward as the thief does when you finally learn other classes and know your own capabilities. He’d rather, instead of doing that, continually complain like a little kitten on the boards everyday about everything he doesn’t have. It’s ok, bads will be bads , go roll necro/warrior Zacharry it suits you better.

Is this post just a complaint about other people’s complaints? If so, that seems exceptionally pointless.

Regarding what was actually said, I disagree that Thieves are the highest reward class in the game. I think that title probably belongs to Elementalists or Engineers, since they have a higher skill floor.

I still like my Thief, but I’m enjoying my time spent branching out to different professions. On my Ele, I feel needed in groups because I can give the gift of boons. It seems that anything Thieves can do in a group, someone else can do it better. I’m struggling to really see the point of the class.

wow. really you don’t see the point of the class? it can do plenty of things

A class being able to do “plenty of things” doesn’t give it a purpose, if other classes can perform those functions better—especially in a group setting, where class roles are more sharply defined.

There is no better roamer than a thief. Sorry. Rangers aren’t the best at anything, but people seem to enjoy them. Your purpose is to kill the enemy. Don’t over complicate it.

It’s role, and you can spec to roam, run with Zerg, do havocs etc. pick one.

Role? Pick a role. There can be several.

or play a thief and have fun without relying on permastealth.

Still having a blast with my thieves. I don’t understand what all the fuss is about.

So I guess sic em hasn’t been the huge problem many thieves thought it would be, lol.

No class scares me. We are supreme at 1 v 1.

It’s fine in pvp and in wvw. Just need to spec correctly.

I don’t have any problems playing my thief in a zerg. If you spec full perma stealth roamer, then you may not, but thats your choice.

Meridian.8730:

Thief…can’t kill most bunkers at all. Our bunker busting skill LS got nerfed into worthlessness. Yay anet, you know how to destroy a class like a bunch of pros.

Bunkers can’t kill most thieves either. I do fine as a roamer, but I don’t see killing every opponent as my god give right either.

I don’t see thieves broken in pvp or wvw in the least. Also, I don’t find that many counters against our skills. I really don’t have major problems vs warriors but I don’t rely on the cookie cutter d/p build.

well I haven’t seen the proportion of thieves dropping on sor.

i can’t see how we are a dying class. I continue to see plenty of thieves on my server.

I continue to enjoy my thief. I don’t think leaving the class makes a ton of sense for most of us.

nice work on the wvw changes. I question whether sequencing the changes out over a longer horizon would help the current performance situation. specifically, it seems logical that fixing the queue anomolies before motivating more players to enter wvw would have been a better step. In addition, since new achievements draw many more players to wvw, would it have not made sense to make this change until after the first season had played out and the new map was created? The current problem seems to stem from too many incentives to flood wvw, without reasonable safeguards in place.

Were these sequences considered?

Quite the battle in SOR garrison tonight.

indeed i suppose I did

yet I am not the one whining like a victim. I don’t insinuate anything. that’s your reaction.

i never said it was amazing or that I was amazing. I said that scrubs rely on perma stealth because it’s easymode and that some of us take a more noble road. art thou vexed?

hint is above. think a little

Spazzoni.1703:

Sanduskel.1850:

gennyt.3428:

DevonCarver.5370:

The rewards included in season 1 achievements should help to address this. Very specifically the ascended crafting materials. It is also the case, that we want people playing all the parts of the game, so there are always going to be optimal ways to get specific rewards and those may not always include WvW. We are building the whole of GW2 and we try and balance things across all the game types.

We will continue to make strides, however, to make WvW feel more rewarding, especially in this type of area.

I’m curious if you can name one thing achievable in WvWvW that isn’t faster and more abundant in PvE?

Getting supply and building siege. What do I win?

Must you win something other than Pride and server recognition?

What is with this ’what’s in it for me?" “I can’t do anything without getting paid” Mentality?

Go kill someone on a bL. Join a group/zerg and go have fun. What the kitten…. /shakeheadinlap

You missed my point. What do I win from the OP from my quote for correctly answering his question?

Zacchary.6183:

I don’t go to other forums and complain about other classes. In fact, I take my losses and learn from them unlike half of the bad players on this game.

If I complain about something, its about bad players who would rather stay bad than put forth effort to better themselves.

Well then, better yourself and adapt to reveal from pets.

Here’s a hint. Teleportation is great!

gennyt.3428:

DevonCarver.5370:

The rewards included in season 1 achievements should help to address this. Very specifically the ascended crafting materials. It is also the case, that we want people playing all the parts of the game, so there are always going to be optimal ways to get specific rewards and those may not always include WvW. We are building the whole of GW2 and we try and balance things across all the game types.

We will continue to make strides, however, to make WvW feel more rewarding, especially in this type of area.

I’m curious if you can name one thing achievable in WvWvW that isn’t faster and more abundant in PvE?

Getting supply and building siege. What do I win?

Last question. I assume you lose zero regen effect by not using Dwayna runes, replacing that lost regen with the boon/shout effects.

Maugetarr.6823:

nagymbear.5280:

Zacchary.6183:

Sanduskel.1850:

I am having plenty of fun on my thief. Then again, I don’t need permastealth.

You don’t play thief.

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Zacchary probably came to that conclusion the same way I did when sansuskel always brings up permastealth thieves when taljing about builds thatbhave nothing to do with it. When asked about what builds he does play since he insists that his builds weren’t affected whatsoever he has abandoned the threads. He has also made flat out false statements on how stealth attacks operate and also abandoned the thread when asked to demonstrate what could only be characterised as a bug based on his description. Furthermore his earliest posts only started during the balance patch preview to say that he welcomed the changes to make his 5 thief alts more challenging. Most (if not all) of his posts are not constructive and serve only to say what scrubs thieves who don’t use his build are. Read through our forum during the past month or so and you’ll see.

Edit: Meant to quote this one but messed up on my phone “So your “reply” was just stating your oppinion with no logic connection to what he said…. hmmm. I will learn from you master.” Sorry.

You are just mad that not everyone else shares your victim mentality. Here’s one thief who appreciates the challenges given as a result of hard counters to stealth.

Boreal.9826:

Yes, increased boon duration affects swiftness and regen from Nature’s Voice. From what I can tell, this is based on the recipient’s stats and not the giver’s.

Which is unfortunate for me, given that I’m running at about +80% boon duration. :/

But you benefit from the shout as well, correct?

Do the boon durations stack? Also, do they increase the length of swiftness and regen effects from natures voice?

Honorable Rallians mounted a rebellion against the man last night and did a beat down on SBI to curb their perfidy. Congrats Maguuma.

DevonCarver.5370:

Sanduskel.1850:

DevonCarver.5370:

The rewards included in season 1 achievements should help to address this. Very specifically the ascended crafting materials. It is also the case, that we want people playing all the parts of the game, so there are always going to be optimal ways to get specific rewards and those may not always include WvW. We are building the whole of GW2 and we try and balance things across all the game types.

We will continue to make strides, however, to make WvW feel more rewarding, especially in this type of area.

Thank you. If you want people to play all parts of the game, when will the vial of essence be available as a drop at the same rate that it is in the fractals? It currently appears that you want to force people to do fractals, even though some of would rather quit than do those. Thank you for your perspective.

We are in the process of making a change to the requirements for most things that take the vial of essence to make them acquirable outside of the fractals. We don’t have more to announce right now. We 100% agree with the premise of that statement in regards to fractals, however.

Terrific. Thank you. I hope it’s soon since that expansion is coming up on its one year anniversary!

I don’t play a permastealth thief, no.

It’s viewed poorly because it requires planning and thought to use. People like the button mashing ez mode specs.

I am having plenty of fun on my thief. Then again, I don’t need permastealth.

DevonCarver.5370:

The rewards included in season 1 achievements should help to address this. Very specifically the ascended crafting materials. It is also the case, that we want people playing all the parts of the game, so there are always going to be optimal ways to get specific rewards and those may not always include WvW. We are building the whole of GW2 and we try and balance things across all the game types.

We will continue to make strides, however, to make WvW feel more rewarding, especially in this type of area.

Thank you. If you want people to play all parts of the game, when will the vial of essence be available as a drop at the same rate that it is in the fractals? It currently appears that you want to force people to do fractals, even though some of would rather quit than do those. Thank you for your perspective.

as an sor player, I ignored the few self appointed leaders and attacked sbi all night.

as an sor player, i actively ignored the commands of a few self-appointed leaders and attacked sbi all night.

I am from SOR, and this sickens me. Please name the sor guilds who did this?

I am from SOR, and this sickens me. I’d lke to know which SOR guilds allowed this.