Guild Wars 2

I was simply alt-hopping because I wanted to see who had what in their pockets, when I noticed the tag on the Charr plush backpack had something on it. So, being nosy like I am, I backed up to a wall and did some camera trickery.

http://cl.ly/image/2u3f0A2s0p1a

G², ANet. That’s definitely some fine handywork you’ve done.

Zorglub.5390:

As Codpin pointed, I do not really see the need to add the ‘per character’ support because the events are going to be account based, not character based soon.
Right now I am quite busy, and I would prefer to not spend time adding a feature that will be used only for a limited time and then made useless by a patch.

I will not add a button to update the timer from the tool (I know how to do it, I have the data for it, and it’s actually pretty simple to implement)
The reason is that the Guild Wars Temple admin was kind enough to let me use his data.
I do not want to remove even more traffic from his site by making him a simply data repository for my own tool.
Plus there are already trolls that keep updating the timers on some servers and I do not want to make their life easier by allowing them to use my application to annoy more people..

The WP copy/paste in the game is using a mechanism that belongs to the game only.
The only thing I could do is let it copy in the clipboard and paste in the chat.
Which would not achieve much in the end.
As Codpin suggested (again) it is better to ask the first time where is an event in map chat (Lion’s Arch can give you some great help) and then remember where the event is for next time.

There’s no [base64] method like there is with items?

-[edit]-

Apparently there is. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Chat_link_format

the header starts with 0×04 for waypoints and points of interest. Here’s a list of them:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Chat_link_format/0x04_codes

SheWhisperedX.2043:

Hi guys,

We’ve updated gw2lfg.net with some new features including some UI changes and we now save what you were last viewing (Europe, North America, Story Mode, etc)

Sawnic if you’d like to get in contact with us please use the ‘Contact Us’ at the bottom of the site in gw2lfg.net we can go more in details about what services we use in case you’re interested

I have no interest in working with poison. Your “service” is toxic to the GW2 community.

Fuda: You can now set the tool to reset at a local time, so set it to reset at your local time that’s the equivalent to the server time. Problem solved :3

SheWhisperedX.2043:

tldr;

It’s the same 10 people that appear on the Reddit posts that downvote and bad talk this site. You have your own opinion so why not give it a shot right?

I actually have not posted in the Reddit thread, so you’re already lying.

SheWhisperedX.2043:

For any confusion on what we’re doing

There is none.

SheWhisperedX.2043:

We’re scraping the other site to demonstrate the technology and power of what we’re doing.

You’re populating your own database to look busier than you actually are.

SheWhisperedX.2043:

We’re not relying on it solely as we still allow users to post groups and when they post it on .net it appears on both .com and .net . Notice how knowing we can post on .com we DON’T mass spam them like they did toward us. It isn’t very good business etiquette.

This block is so full of fail, you had to go to college to conceive it.

SheWhisperedX.2043:

We tried to get in contact with .net in the past and he has ignored our emails (this was well before we started the .net site). Why would we want to join with him now?

You never attempted to contact him.

SheWhisperedX.2043:

The reddit community and the .com creators spammed and attacked .net when it first came out. Here at .net we choose to compete by showcasing better techniques rather than relying on childish games that will only hurt others … temporarily.

Better techniques mean shady business practices and stealing another site’s database which you openly brag about, yet somehow that’s not bad. Got it.

SheWhisperedX.2043:

Not sure why you’re afraid we’ll take your account data, there is nothing requiring you put in ANY account data into the site.

Glad to see you’re actually reading our posts, because we’re not.

SheWhisperedX.2043:

Server hosting costs are really really cheap.

For you. You’re pulling your database off another site so it’s just a handful of hits for you. He has to load his database per person who loads your site, so of course his is massive. You’re just tunneling his bandwidth through your site. Of course you don’t see much of the overhead.

SheWhisperedX.2043:

I don’t think .com is complaining about having to run 3 servers for his traffic unless he has spaghetti code and highly inefficient caching.

Read above.

SheWhisperedX.2043:

The .com owner is just stressing because we’re taking ad clicks away from him even though we’re not capitalizing from it ourselves (whats 15$ server costs anyhow, its minuscule)

He’s stressing because loading it through your site he gets all the bandwidth hit, and none of the ad viewing/clicks. Also, $15 a month is in fact wicked cheap. Like, that’s how much it costs for just the domain kind of cheap. Who’s your provider?

SheWhisperedX.2043:

Anyways enjoy!

No.

You have:

• One post on the boards
  # that one post is an ad
• No affiliation with the main site
  # in fact you leech their database and pull it into your UI

I will be sure to tell everyone I meet in-game who asks about your site to not visit it, because what you’re doing is borderline illegal, especially if the main site’s owner told you to stop.

OMG <3 this tool is now perfect.

Thank you so much for your work <( ˆ v ˆ )>

I just spent the better part of two hours in a level 30 fractal. When we finally made it to the end, me and another player in the party did not receive our fractals daily.

I know I haven’t done my 30 daily yet because I was busy farming and did not want to do a fractal level that would not yield profit over time for me. Can’t speak for the other guy.

Thank you for fixing the timer not saving the events issue! :3 However, they’re still resetting prematurely :c

http://cl.ly/image/24131z1Z3l0s

Here’s a screenshot of my desktop/the tool. As you can see it says reset is in 30 minutes, @4PM my time. That makes it 2PM server time, which is not correct. The server restarts at 5PM server time, 7PM my time.

One thing I would like to request is saving what events you have monitored. As it stands now, every time you restart the app it forgets what you’re watching.

Subutia.2645:

Zorg, awesome tool. But, as others have said, the site is being targeted by trolls.
Is there a version you could do that we could just run locally on our pc (or host on our guild web site) where I could manually update it and not rely on the increasingly unusable website?

The problem with running a local version is you have to be at every event every time it happens and update it or you will be off.

1680×1050 is 16:10 I believe, so that’s odd.

loseridoit.2756:

Sawnic.6795:

loseridoit.2756:

hoegarden.4287:

Maybe the hard drive where the game is installed needs a defragmentation.
Or maybe is to full to operate at 100%.

Well, the OP has to use a third party utility to defrag.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/e7/archive/2009/01/25/disk-defragmentation-background-and-engineering-the-windows-7-improvements.aspx

Windows defrag will ignore pieces of files that are more 64 MB blocks.

If you want guild wars data file to be one continuous file, then the op will have to use third party utilities.

I don’t see how a 3rd party option will be better than the default that works in the downtime, but I’ll give it a shot regardless and post back.

Windows defragger is actually pretty good; however, the defragger will ignore 64 MB blocks. If you want the game in one continuous file, then you will have to use theird party utilities. Making the game continuous file will make the game load faster, but sometimes I wonder if the cost is worth it because updates will scatter this nicely defragged file

Yeah, apparently that did the trick. The initial load because I was logging in took ~8 seconds (instead of 20 or so) so I left LA via warpey smokeygate and walked back in via the same method, and it loaded in exactly 3 seconds.

I’m mad now I never thought to use a 3rd party tool. Gonna let it run on the other ~40 gigs of games to see if Steam will load faster now too, but that’s not something to worry about on these boards.

What year is the MBP?

loseridoit.2756:

hoegarden.4287:

Maybe the hard drive where the game is installed needs a defragmentation.
Or maybe is to full to operate at 100%.

Well, the OP has to use a third party utility to defrag.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/e7/archive/2009/01/25/disk-defragmentation-background-and-engineering-the-windows-7-improvements.aspx

Windows defrag will ignore pieces of files that are more 64 MB blocks.

If you want guild wars data file to be one continuous file, then the op will have to use third party utilities.

I don’t see how a 3rd party option will be better than the default that works in the downtime, but I’ll give it a shot regardless and post back.

-[edit]-

Apparently Defraggler found ~60 gigs of fragmented files on my games drive. Steam’s defragger apparently sucks because it’s mostly my steam games, but gw2.dat was found.

-[edit+]-

ehjhey.1894:

Will a defrag actually help with loading speeds? Cause places like Lions arch always take upwards of a minute to load for me with a fast internet connection

I’ll let you know. It used to take 4-5 seconds, jumped up to 20 or so, and now I’m defragging gw2.dat specifically. Look like an answer in the 15 minute range will be available.

I have seen a severely noticeable difference since I first installed the game in map loading speeds. What used to take maybe 2 or 3 seconds is now taking 15+.

Is there some form of caching or related I can clear to possibly speed this up?

The timers reset prematurely, by several hours. I am on version 1.1.0.0

They appear to have reset at 1 PM server time, in stead of 4 PM.

-[edit]-

By reset I mean it cleared my “already looted” status on the events.

As seen in this screenshot, http://cl.ly/image/072F3f0C0m2P, the patch notes mentioned a Charr backpack. It is not in the store, and I am a confuse. :\

As a little compare and contrast, here is me standing still in Lion’s Arch.

http://cl.ly/image/2H2z47463x26

Here is me on a broom.

http://cl.ly/image/081d1K423E1G

Please, make the horror stop, ANet ;~;

Rob.7624:

Sawnic.6795:

Rob.7624:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CduA0TULnow

Well that was fun.

Garrison and Bay cost us 2 Omega Golems and 15Alpha Golems.
Because Anet decided to reset in middle!

Horah for Anet!

You make it sound like they don’t give you several warnings a reset is going to happen.

Yeh they gave us 20seconds of yellow text appearing. But by then all the golems were down and built and we had just started to move out of spawn.

Fraeg.9837:

I wasn’t there but I think we can all agree Anet has bloody aweful timing when it comes to resets and wvw. As for advance warning, Anet does not give that much warning compared to some other games. In addition if all those golems were already built when they began announcing the reset then there was not a lot Bird song and company could have done.

Down with NSP and all that, but sorry to hear that happened Bird.

They give you several hours of advance warning. -_-

Rob.7624:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CduA0TULnow

Well that was fun.

Garrison and Bay cost us 2 Omega Golems and 15Alpha Golems.
Because Anet decided to reset in middle!

Horah for Anet!

You make it sound like they don’t give you several warnings a reset is going to happen.

That video that was link was sped up. Had to be.

I was just in Lions Arch, minding my own, when I went to ask /map about a fractals run. I had accidentally hit ctrl-shift, so upon realizing what I did I just shrugged and re-typed my sentence using the Dvorak layout instead of QWERTY.

Upon pressing enter, the game crashed so hard it not only wouldn’t terminate, it wouldn’t release the game as the active window on monitor 1, where I had left the task manager last. I had to completely restart my PC to solve the problem (which in it’s own isn’t an issue; SSD and all) but it’s still bothersome it happened.

tl;dr:

Changing keyboard layouts while in-game causes the game to crash.

Kelo.4370:

Yes lets nerf the only source of condition damage Mesmer have. Seriously though if yer getting kitten by confusion then DONT ATTACK! Cleanse yourself or start using a skill/heal that does then go back to attacking. That or you know don’t fight a mesmer and someone else alone.

The entire subculture of staff Mesmers is facepalming.

I would personally like to ask AR “WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT?!”

http://cl.ly/image/2B0r3H2s2O2C

Seriously? You have to resort to abusing terrain bugs to keep your lead? Because right after the specific fight before these screenies, THE ENTIRE AR ZERG ran to that spot and hung out, before dispersing, some getting killed, others returning, etc.

This was near bluevale, by the way.

http://cl.ly/image/3G1m2Q180M1Z

I snapped a screenshot of the error. I can confirm this is a repeating issue on Windows 8, as I can reproduce it readily by closing the game through the escape menu, and no matter how long I wait to restart (overnight being the longest test I performed) the previous process does not terminate.

-[edit]-

Searching before posting really should be a habit I’m in. lol. At least now you know there’s at least one more person affected?

We need the ability to report anything nameable. Guilds, players (which exists), pet names, etc.

I just found one and all I know to do with it is snap a screenie (which I did) :c

In other MMOs (no need to mention names) you have the option/ability to remove buffs from yourself by simply right-clicking. This, to me, is a necessity in many games, because trolling in JPs is a slight problem.

Imagine you’re minding your own, then randomly you get hit with swiftness, and fall to your death. If you were at least given the option to remove the boon (reaction time here is crucial) you wouldn’t have to wait the ~15 seconds to let it drop to carry on.

Also I sometimes feel like removing them just to do it. No real reason.

You can drop items in any bank from any city and access them from any other bank anywhere else.

Fyrebrand.4859:

ShinraGuardian.8053:

Stop crying about magic find. That person is still contributing damage you wouldn’t have had if you went in with 4 people. Damage is damage.

Ha ha ha! Seriously? Your defense of Magic Find is that it’s better than running with 4 people? Yeah, I guess almost anything would be.

Why is it okay for the Magic Find guy to be the slacker, though? Maybe I would rather sit back and just mindlessly mash 1-5 while checking Facebook and Twitter on my cell. Hey, it’s better than if I weren’t there at all, right? Damage is damage.

Why is it that in all these example scenarios, it’s always assumed that there’s only one Magic Find player, and 4 well-geared others? It’s like part of their justification is that it’s okay for them to wear MF only because they know the rest of the team doesn’t, and therefore they’ll all be okay. They say the team doesn’t suffer that much, but I doubt they’d be saying that if they frequently encountered PUGs where all 5 group members were loaded with Magic Find. Frankly, it’s because not everyone has pre-set their gear in such a selfish way, that you’re able to get through any dungeon content at all.

We assume only one person has it for the same reason you assume everyone but you has it.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

CETheLucid.3964:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

On a mere 35% crit chance (the lowest you can get with full Berserker’s) the crit damage alone is worth a 14% damage bonus, and that rises as your crit chance rises.

Versus 25% for Explorers. Everything you said about Berserker gear here applies to the MF Explorer set, minus 10%. The difference is 10%.

The trade off in that is the MF.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Yeah, actually, they will. They’ll still be a sucky player, but they’ll be outputting more damage in Berserker’s, or receiving less in Knight’s, regardless of their skill level.
Just because they suck doesn’t magically mean their gear stats go away.

No, actually they won’t.

10% when compared to Berserkers isn’t going to make a difference when the player sucks to begin with. But go on, keep hiding behind that 10% like it means anything.

Folks like you should really quit trying to introduce your gear elitism into the game.

So suddenly, all abilities dealing more damage doesn’t mean you deal more damage.
Maybe it doesn’t matter much because they suck, but it’s still more.
And when you’re dealing more damage, the enemies die quicker, which means runs are faster, and the enemies present less danger because they’re dead.
Thus, dealing less damage in Explorer’s makes runs longer and more difficult for everyone, so that the one person can get more money.

10% is not “faster”, it’s tripping across the finish line.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

lol, the anti-MF crowd came by, I see.

Yes, because it’s so unreasonable for people that have a problem with MF to answer someone’s question as to why people hate it.
So very, VERY unreasonable.

It’s one thing to answer it. It’s another to browbeat everyone who disagrees with you, which is what you’re doing.

It’s one thing to browbeat those who disagree, it’s an entirely worse thing to categorically dismiss math because it doesn’t fit your worldview.

I didn’t dismiss it, I accept it for what it is. It doesn’t, however, take real world use into account, which is the part you’re ignoring.

You mean the real world use that guarantees that you deal MORE damage due to the power increase, and guarantees that every crit does MORE damage due to the crit damage increase, regardless of circumstance?
And the complete lack of any circumstance where you will be dealing LESS damage to counteract the INCREASED damage?
And the fact that there is absolutely no other factor involved in comparing the 2, unlike with Knight’s where dealing with survivability is a much more complicated issue (where Explorer’s is still inarguably worse)?
Because that sounds a lot like dismissing math because it doesn’t agree with you.

I’ll be sure to get back to you when the crit CHANCE, stress CHANCE doesn’t work and I do more damage in my MF set because I was critting like a villain.

So your argument is that you deal more damage with Explorer’s because you crit more when the crit chance is the same.
kitten, using that argument, I could claim that P/V/T is more damaging than Berserker’s!
Also, I thought it was all about THE LEET SKILLS you have. Somehow a random crit hotstreak is completely unaffected by that.

Oh, do you not know what “chance” means? I’m sorry, there’s our confusion.

It’s entirely feasible I can can consistently do more damage in an MF set than I would an a berserker’s set.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

Berelious.3290:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

lol, the anti-MF crowd came by, I see.

Yes, because it’s so unreasonable for people that have a problem with MF to answer someone’s question as to why people hate it.
So very, VERY unreasonable.

It’s one thing to answer it. It’s another to browbeat everyone who disagrees with you, which is what you’re doing.

It’s one thing to browbeat those who disagree, it’s an entirely worse thing to categorically dismiss math because it doesn’t fit your worldview.

It doesn’t matter what the math says, because the math doesn’t necessarily apply to the person using magic find. It’s only valid if it applies to a specific person’s play style. The person using MF is looking to get better drops, end of story. And again, the statistics don’t matter anyway because the only person any player is responsible to for their gear and stats is themselves.

This is how I look at it, but no matter how I try to explain it, I get trolled around because I’m pro-MF.

It’s like, the new racism, but towards gear and players who use it.

Yes, because hating someone for what they were born as is DEFINITELY comparable to hating someone for the actions they take that make them antisocial kittens.

Racism is a form of prejudice, which this is.

I meant to type prejudice in the previous post, by the way. My bad.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

lol, the anti-MF crowd came by, I see.

Yes, because it’s so unreasonable for people that have a problem with MF to answer someone’s question as to why people hate it.
So very, VERY unreasonable.

It’s one thing to answer it. It’s another to browbeat everyone who disagrees with you, which is what you’re doing.

It’s one thing to browbeat those who disagree, it’s an entirely worse thing to categorically dismiss math because it doesn’t fit your worldview.

I didn’t dismiss it, I accept it for what it is. It doesn’t, however, take real world use into account, which is the part you’re ignoring.

You mean the real world use that guarantees that you deal MORE damage due to the power increase, and guarantees that every crit does MORE damage due to the crit damage increase, regardless of circumstance?
And the complete lack of any circumstance where you will be dealing LESS damage to counteract the INCREASED damage?
And the fact that there is absolutely no other factor involved in comparing the 2, unlike with Knight’s where dealing with survivability is a much more complicated issue (where Explorer’s is still inarguably worse)?
Because that sounds a lot like dismissing math because it doesn’t agree with you.

I’ll be sure to get back to you when the crit CHANCE, stress CHANCE doesn’t work and I do more damage in my MF set because I was critting like a villain.

-[edit]-
Above all, I’m still failing to see why not doing DPS is a bad thing, as long as I’m not doing zero/negative DPS, and I’m not dying every (other) pull.

Berelious.3290:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

lol, the anti-MF crowd came by, I see.

Yes, because it’s so unreasonable for people that have a problem with MF to answer someone’s question as to why people hate it.
So very, VERY unreasonable.

It’s one thing to answer it. It’s another to browbeat everyone who disagrees with you, which is what you’re doing.

It’s one thing to browbeat those who disagree, it’s an entirely worse thing to categorically dismiss math because it doesn’t fit your worldview.

It doesn’t matter what the math says, because the math doesn’t necessarily apply to the person using magic find. It’s only valid if it applies to a specific person’s play style. The person using MF is looking to get better drops, end of story. And again, the statistics don’t matter anyway because the only person any player is responsible to for their gear and stats is themselves.

This is how I look at it, but no matter how I try to explain it, I get trolled around because I’m pro-MF.

It’s like, the new racism, but towards gear and players who use it.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

lol, the anti-MF crowd came by, I see.

Yes, because it’s so unreasonable for people that have a problem with MF to answer someone’s question as to why people hate it.
So very, VERY unreasonable.

It’s one thing to answer it. It’s another to browbeat everyone who disagrees with you, which is what you’re doing.

It’s one thing to browbeat those who disagree, it’s an entirely worse thing to categorically dismiss math because it doesn’t fit your worldview.

I didn’t dismiss it, I accept it for what it is. It doesn’t, however, take real world use into account, which is the part you’re ignoring.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

lol, the anti-MF crowd came by, I see.

Yes, because it’s so unreasonable for people that have a problem with MF to answer someone’s question as to why people hate it.
So very, VERY unreasonable.

It’s one thing to answer it. It’s another to browbeat everyone who disagrees with you, which is what you’re doing.

lol, the anti-MF crowd came by, I see. They seem to think that numbers (at optimum conditions, at that) mean everything, and if you’re not helping total, complete strangers, you’re hurting them, and feel the need to tell you how to play so they can benefit from you, but somehow that’s not selfish; YOU playing YOUR character how YOU want to is.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

Just because you want it to be doesn’t mean it is a false claim.

Just because you want to ignore very blatant math showing that Berserker’s WILL do more damage than Explorer’s in the same circumstances doesn’t mean that it makes no difference.
35% crit gets a 14% damage increase from the crit damage alone, with higher crit chances getting more from it. Plus, Power directly means MORE DAMAGE.

Math demonstrates your claim is false.

I also pointed out that the aformentioned math is assuming the best situations are present and that both players are at optimal skill. Great theory, on paper. So is communism. Just sayin’ n_~

There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that changes that. NO MATTER WHAT the situation is, you will do less damage than you would if you were in Berserker’s.
Name ANY situation where this is not true that doesn’t involve condition damage (in which case your MF is really butchering your damage since it has 0 cond)

Nothing changes right? I’ll be sure to just stand afk and tell the team nothing changed and I’m doing great DPS because I’m in a Berserker’s set, or explain to them I did not crit a single time, explaining the lower DPS than the naked trolling elementalist. But since nothing changed, I’m allowed to be in the party.

So your point is that the absolute only circumstance where you aren’t doing less with Explorer’s than Berserker’s is when you are doing literally 0 damage.
Good to know we’ve finally agreed.

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

After all, if it is a job, I should be paid by the boss to do what he wants, right?"

Actually the boss in this would be the dungeon, which in this case is stupidly paying someone MORE for doing LESS. Which is exactly what is trying to be fixed here.

Naah. The boss is the party leader. He’s the one who decides what. The dungeon is just the workplace.

The party leader isn’t the one that pays the group, the dungeon is. As the boss pays the workers, the dungeon is then the boss.
And it is still paying you more for doing less.

Nope. The party leader is the one who decides who goes on the run, thus he is the boss. The dungeon is the work. We work in the dungeon to clear it out. Similar to how the people at UPS choose who works for them, then they choose which boxes get delivered where and how quickly the move within the building. The building and it’s contents aren’t the boss, the guy who hired the workers is.

The person that hired you isn’t the boss, they’re the one that hired you. Your boss is your boss, and they not only pay you but they have the power to enforce things they tell you to do. And a party leader does neither.
Seeing as the party leader does neither of those, they are not analogous to the boss, they’re just another coworker. Who is well within his rights to tell you to stop kittening off and do your job instead of forcing all of them to do it for you. And when you inevitably don’t, go to the boss, or higher, to deal with the problem.
Like, say, trying to get ANet to stop letting people leech with MF and get either get rid of it on equipment or share it.

Not only did you ignore half of my argument for the first quote in your post, you’re trying to shift the point of interest of the boss off the person deciding who goes on the run to the dungeon, which shows you’re grasping at straws.

As I said earlier, I will not be trolled into your opinion, and I will not be posting back. Until I am paid, BY THE PARTY LEADER, to not put on MF gear, I will be wearing it until I decide to take it off.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

Just because you want it to be doesn’t mean it is a false claim.

Just because you want to ignore very blatant math showing that Berserker’s WILL do more damage than Explorer’s in the same circumstances doesn’t mean that it makes no difference.
35% crit gets a 14% damage increase from the crit damage alone, with higher crit chances getting more from it. Plus, Power directly means MORE DAMAGE.

Math demonstrates your claim is false.

I also pointed out that the aformentioned math is assuming the best situations are present and that both players are at optimal skill. Great theory, on paper. So is communism. Just sayin’ n_~

There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that changes that. NO MATTER WHAT the situation is, you will do less damage than you would if you were in Berserker’s.
Name ANY situation where this is not true that doesn’t involve condition damage (in which case your MF is really butchering your damage since it has 0 cond)

Nothing changes right? I’ll be sure to just stand afk and tell the team nothing changed and I’m doing great DPS because I’m in a Berserker’s set, or explain to them I did not crit a single time, explaining the lower DPS than the naked trolling elementalist. But since nothing changed, I’m allowed to be in the party.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

After all, if it is a job, I should be paid by the boss to do what he wants, right?"

Actually the boss in this would be the dungeon, which in this case is stupidly paying someone MORE for doing LESS. Which is exactly what is trying to be fixed here.

Naah. The boss is the party leader. He’s the one who decides what. The dungeon is just the workplace.

The party leader isn’t the one that pays the group, the dungeon is. As the boss pays the workers, the dungeon is then the boss.
And it is still paying you more for doing less.

Nope. The party leader is the one who decides who goes on the run, thus he is the boss. The dungeon is the work. We work in the dungeon to clear it out. Similar to how the people at UPS choose who works for them, then they choose which boxes get delivered where and how quickly the move within the building. The building and it’s contents aren’t the boss, the guy who hired the workers is.

Rikimeru Tokesbudz.3816:

if your that bad at this game that one person wearing mf gear makes you fail a dungeon than maybe you should be playing hello kitty online adventures or something similar that is in your ability level.

Trust me, I brought that point up. They ignored it and tried to browbeat their opinion around.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

Just because you want it to be doesn’t mean it is a false claim.

Just because you want to ignore very blatant math showing that Berserker’s WILL do more damage than Explorer’s in the same circumstances doesn’t mean that it makes no difference.
35% crit gets a 14% damage increase from the crit damage alone, with higher crit chances getting more from it. Plus, Power directly means MORE DAMAGE.

Math demonstrates your claim is false.

I also pointed out that the aformentioned math is assuming the best situations are present and that both players are at optimal skill. Great theory, on paper. So is communism. Just sayin’ n_~

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

After all, if it is a job, I should be paid by the boss to do what he wants, right?"

Actually the boss in this would be the dungeon, which in this case is stupidly paying someone MORE for doing LESS. Which is exactly what is trying to be fixed here.

Naah. The boss is the party leader. He’s the one who decides what. The dungeon is just the workplace.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

I’d rather use the magic find to help me make money.

And that is exactly why you’re being called selfish.

Says the people telling me how I should gear my character to benefit themselves.

So suddenly it’s selfish to tell a lazy coworker to do his kitten job?

No, it is. Only, I’m not your co-worker, and this isn’t a job.

I don’t run dungeons to help others. I don’t run them so you can get your tokens at the end, I run them so I can get what I want out of it, and that dictates my gear choices.

I don’t do my job to help others. I don’t do it so you can get your money in the end, I do it so I can get what I want out of it, and if I get paid despite slacking constantly, so be it.

I’m glad you understand how the workforce operates.

Yes. If this person were there, they’d get fired, for being a selfish leech instead of doing their job.
Kind of like MF users.
Now, if a system in a workplace existed where this selfish leech could operate without anyone actually being able to tell that they were, this system would get fixed, no?

In any position that actually pays worth anything, the boss would keep an eye on the lazy one. As long as he gets his work done in the end, so what if he slacks? He’s meeting deadlines with quality work.

So we’re back to the demonstrably false claim that you accomplish just as much with Explorer’s on as Berserker’s.
Plus, the lazy worker that needs to have an eye kept on them wouldn’t get a raise and a promotion, they’d be stuck where they are due to lack of motivation. But MF users not only do less they get paid more.

Just because you want it to be doesn’t mean it is a false claim.

Anyway, I’m not going to be trolled into your point of view, and I will leave this at “It’s my character, and when you start paying me to go on your runs I will gear the way you want me to. After all, if it is a job, I should be paid by the boss to do what he wants, right?”

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

I’d rather use the magic find to help me make money.

And that is exactly why you’re being called selfish.

Says the people telling me how I should gear my character to benefit themselves.

So suddenly it’s selfish to tell a lazy coworker to do his kitten job?

No, it is. Only, I’m not your co-worker, and this isn’t a job.

I don’t run dungeons to help others. I don’t run them so you can get your tokens at the end, I run them so I can get what I want out of it, and that dictates my gear choices.

I don’t do my job to help others. I don’t do it so you can get your money in the end, I do it so I can get what I want out of it, and if I get paid despite slacking constantly, so be it.

I’m glad you understand how the workforce operates.

Yes. If this person were there, they’d get fired, for being a selfish leech instead of doing their job.
Kind of like MF users.
Now, if a system in a workplace existed where this selfish leech could operate without anyone actually being able to tell that they were, this system would get fixed, no?

In any position that actually pays worth anything, the boss would keep an eye on the lazy one. As long as he gets his work done in the end, so what if he slacks? He’s meeting deadlines with quality work.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

I’d rather use the magic find to help me make money.

And that is exactly why you’re being called selfish.

Says the people telling me how I should gear my character to benefit themselves.

So suddenly it’s selfish to tell a lazy coworker to do his kitten job?

No, it is. Only, I’m not your co-worker, and this isn’t a job.

I don’t run dungeons to help others. I don’t run them so you can get your tokens at the end, I run them so I can get what I want out of it, and that dictates my gear choices.

I don’t do my job to help others. I don’t do it so you can get your money in the end, I do it so I can get what I want out of it, and if I get paid despite slacking constantly, so be it.

I’m glad you understand how the workforce operates.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

I’d rather use the magic find to help me make money.

And that is exactly why you’re being called selfish.

Says the people telling me how I should gear my character to benefit themselves.

So suddenly it’s selfish to tell a lazy coworker to do his kitten job?

No, it is. Only, I’m not your co-worker, and this isn’t a job.

I don’t run dungeons to help others. I don’t run them so you can get your tokens at the end, I run them so I can get what I want out of it, and that dictates my gear choices.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

I’d rather use the magic find to help me make money.

And that is exactly why you’re being called selfish.

Says the people telling me how I should gear my character to benefit themselves.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

alcopaul.2156:

Sawnic.6795:

alcopaul.2156:

Sawnic.6795:

-[edit]- Lets do a comparison, since you like those.

If I’m bad at dodging, and I take knights, I’ll have more toughness, but I’ll still likely die because I’m bad at dodging.

But you will it will take LONGER for you to die if you have +Toughness.

As opposed to not dying by dodging…

you’ll gonna get hit in one way or the other. and thanks to toughness, you still have 25% HP after a spiky damage. if not, since you are wearing explorers, your team mates will waste their precious time reviving you.

You can just dodge twice consecutively.

My talents actually disagree with that, as well as I have blurred frenzy and distortion for a 4th and 5th damage avoidance.

Congratulations.
Bring Berserker’s so you kill them faster then.

alcopaul.2156:

Sawnic.6795:

alcopaul.2156:

Sawnic.6795:

alcopaul.2156:

Sawnic.6795:

-[edit]- Lets do a comparison, since you like those.

If I’m bad at dodging, and I take knights, I’ll have more toughness, but I’ll still likely die because I’m bad at dodging.

But you will it will take LONGER for you to die if you have +Toughness.

As opposed to not dying by dodging…

you’ll gonna get hit in one way or the other. and thanks to toughness, you still have 25% HP after a spiky damage. if not, since you are wearing explorers, your team mates will waste their precious time reviving you.

You can just dodge twice consecutively.

My talents actually disagree with that, as well as I have blurred frenzy and distortion for a 4th and 5th damage avoidance.

-[edit]- Oh, and phase retreat, and blink…

Can you keep them up indefinitely? if you can then berserker’s is for you then.

I’d rather use the magic find to help me make money.

alcopaul.2156:

Sawnic.6795:

alcopaul.2156:

Sawnic.6795:

-[edit]- Lets do a comparison, since you like those.

If I’m bad at dodging, and I take knights, I’ll have more toughness, but I’ll still likely die because I’m bad at dodging.

But you will it will take LONGER for you to die if you have +Toughness.

As opposed to not dying by dodging…

you’ll gonna get hit in one way or the other. and thanks to toughness, you still have 25% HP after a spiky damage. if not, since you are wearing explorers, your team mates will waste their precious time reviving you.

You can just dodge twice consecutively.

My talents actually disagree with that, as well as I have blurred frenzy and distortion for a 4th and 5th damage avoidance.

-[edit]- Oh, and phase retreat, and blink…

alcopaul.2156:

Sawnic.6795:

-[edit]- Lets do a comparison, since you like those.

If I’m bad at dodging, and I take knights, I’ll have more toughness, but I’ll still likely die because I’m bad at dodging.

But you will it will take LONGER for you to die if you have +Toughness.

As opposed to not dying by dodging…

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Sawnic.6795:

GummiBear.2756:

Sawnic.6795:

If I’m bad at dodging, and I take knights, I’ll have more toughness, but I’ll still likely die because I’m bad at dodging. If I’m not, I’ll take the explorers, and likely not die because I’M NOT TAKING DAMAGE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Thus, the explorers is just like the knights, only I’m benefiting myself more than I would be with the knights, and benefiting the team just as much.

or you could take the beserkers and deal even more damage, and thus helping your team even more

Why would I do that if I want the magic find? If I care about helping the team to the absolute best of my ability I possibly can, I’ll run with guildies/friends, and use the DPS set I hold onto in case my PUG is pathetic.

You should care about it because you’re being a selfish leech by gimping yourself with MF instead of taking Berserker’s.
You’re effectively wasting everyone’s time by slowing down the fights by gimping your damage so that you MIGHT get a better drop.

Basically, if you want a perfect timed run, as in, 1 minute less per fractal, for example, go with the guild, not a pug.

OR I could demand some common decency from people to stop wasting peoples time with greed. Or, since that won’t work, try to get the ridiculous greed stat out of the game, or make it so you can’t replace useful stats with it.

You can’t control what others do, so run with people who respect your entitlement issues.

-[edit]-

Besides, what I do with my gear really isn’t up to you. You’re not paying my subscription fee n_~