if you’ re talking about actual numbers is about 3k i think if i;m not wrong.
If you re going for traveler runes be sure that your armor is for general pve.
If you’re talking about raids just forget them and go for scholar.
Half on bloodstone fen half on ember bay.
Bloodstone fen also gives you the option to reset stats.
Get back,a mulet and rings from bf abd earings from eb as stated above..
lol yes.
Indeed traps are pain in the ….. but only when comes form 4 guardians at once.
They have to realise that class stacking is the problem not traps.
I’ve seen a team with 4 necros and died at 600 range…i didn’t even get close to them …
Same happens to 3-5 eles, 3-5 guards, 3-5 rangers and list goes on…
And a DH needs to be super squishy to achieve the top notch damage output lvl on the 3 traps.. well only one trap does super duper damage and isnt instant…. that trap even does hurt targets when i use nomads :S….
When players realize that F3 isnt that good and its easy to counter even with stability on….
Players are way to much used to be carried by the awfull game balance when some builds apears to compete with their gimmick they put in check their skills and start QQ for nerfs…. as if only the other classes have way to much damage and aoe spam, game has to much aoe spam that even pvp esl is awfull/boring to watch as example.
Should DH players start doing the same to every builds that reqs easilly a DH, or have skills that counters DH’s???
I really never get any more traps than progression of blades and use it only as aoe dmg in melee range. Guardian have so many good abilities to choose that i ‘m feeling poor to use only 3 traps and nothing more.Still need to be squishy to get the propper output. That been said i feel a little embarassing to use my guardian like that cause of poor gamplay style and ’’all traps in your face" style. As a player i’m just casual in pvp, and just run my dailies so i really don’t bother so much.
But those balance patches cause of QQ are phenomenal. I’m in game only 1 year and i saw classes to go up and down because Anet lucks the ability to split pve from pvp and that’s true, but is a same old story as i realise, so no need to question it again and again..
Amen! Thank you anet for all the nerfs givin to the rev. Each new patch that is given to us revs gives us more hope of nothing cause that’s what we get, a whole lot of nothing. Everytime! You might as well take the hammer away at this rate, it has no use except pve. Even then you dont really need it. Useless class i had high hopes for. Might as well go back to my ranger and main him again. At least it has viable ranged weapons. Again weapons….you know, like more than one. ???? Give us more weapons atleast ffs!
I said i stay to my rev but then again i get back to my guard.
They just sucide the class just for fun cause they just dont know how to balance it (or them as balance patches are all the same).
lol yes.
Indeed traps are pain in the ….. but only when comes form 4 guardians at once.
They have to realise that class stacking is the problem not traps.
I’ve seen a team with 4 necros and died at 600 range…i didn’t even get close to them …
Same happens to 3-5 eles, 3-5 guards, 3-5 rangers and list goes on…
Personally i was really hoping for a speed trait/utility or somerhing…
Not for using it in raids or fractals but is quite usefull in open world to avoid those traveler runes.
Also those spirit weapons….God….
pass them all m8.
They hate versatility on this game anyway + every time a tear drops, a random class died cause of that.
Revenant is my 3rd swap to main(guardian→engi), and i’ll stay and play with him with whatever nerf it takes.
I hope they ’ll fix his known bugs at least..
One more time pvp tears messed up pve balance.
All we need is to split balance and nothing else.
From time to time every single class get nerfed because someone cannot faceroll a class in a pvp match.
Just split up those changes or we will end up playing nothing(or keeping our attention to nothing at all).
Personally i m really tired of swapping classes in every single balance patch, and not for being top tier, but just to stay inside meta….
Lol This is too funny. Shield used to break stuns, not only that during crystal hibernation condis on you were nullified (similar to resistance). During a balance patch both were taken out.
The change basically made shield a bad alternative to sword off-hand in my opinion especially since the heals on shield were later nerfed.
For those interested
Staff 5 had a range of 1200 and did 50% more damage (i think more, it was nerfed twice over 2 patches)
Phase traversal had no cooldown cost 20 energy
Riposting shadows gave 50 endurance
Precision strike had a 5 sec cooldown
Unrelenting assault hit 7 times
You could get about 20 might stacks with glint and nature facet, easy 25 with unrelenting.
Retribution stab on dodge had no cooldown
Sword had a projectile on its auto and did a lot more damage
Quickness affected finishing
Both sword block and staff block had a 10 sec cooldown.
Theres probably more but this is what i rememeber right now. When revs are salty on the forums, its because the class has been nerfed to oblivion. Its pretty bad for me because i still cant get over how much slower the class is now. It is extremely sluggish compared to what it was.
Game became unplayable …totally.
Dc every 5 minutes and frequently 3-4 in a row.
No matter where we are.
We was in edge of the mists and whole squad disconnect.
Guardian is in general in very good spot.
The only thing i miss in guardian is a mobility trait or utility for that 25% speed buff. Is really slow and if you paly other classes, this tend to be a huge problem for some of us.
I personaly have runes of traveler and for fractals i m using a speed booster(i have almost a stack of them)
They turned the class into a joke with the cheesehunter. Went from “hold the line” straight to “come into mah trapz”.
Depends on playstyle.
Trap spamming personally was never my best feeling.
Other than that guardian is a very strong and viable class and saves a lot around with his protection…
I’m seeing 135, you only get AR bonus from the equiped weapon set so 2×9 not 4×9
This is why you see some people accidentally drop on mai trin when they forget to infuse their 2ndary set lol
Admittedly I did this myself when I swapped to shield mace for my warrior’s 2nd set.
i wrote 4×9 cause i have 2×9 in both weapons set..
If i have to make it more because of specific wepapon used, that’s another story :P
Funny thing ..if i consumed a +10 tear of alba it goes to 150
Hi.
I just purchase the last ar that needed to get to 150 and as i have +9 in all of my gear, in hero panel still shows 135.
Rings are attuned so count 2×9 each in there.
So…
2 rings 4×9
2 earings 2×9
1 back 1×9
6 armor pieces 6×9
2 weapons 4×9
In short words very good job from my end.
As for bugs or feedback..i just saw a player as an enemy in Caliph’s steps.
Dunno if it is a bug or feature lol.
Personally i like a lot to run inside enemies and have extra toughness for protection and in addition with all of our blocks make me almost unkillable.
I okay support role after all inside wvw..
I can trade a trait for a speed trait.
All classes (all)have one ability or trait to achieve that. Is really no harm.
A utility skill or a trait is really usefull when in open world.
it can be that the gear is different/better setup for the necro since i use the hot lvl 80 boost on the necro and used tombs and crafting to lvl the guard,the guard has almost all exotic gear as well like the necro but the gear stats are mixed on the guardian,maybe thats the problem.
everybody is talking about viper,berserker gear and so on but in the game i rarely see these names,is there a website where i can find what the different gear types are with the stats and all?
it can be that the gear is different/better setup for the necro since i use the hot lvl 80 boost on the necro and used tombs and crafting to lvl the guard,the guard has almost all exotic gear as well like the necro but the gear stats are mixed on the guardian,maybe thats the problem.
everybody is talking about viper,berserker gear and so on but in the game i rarely see these names,is there a website where i can find what the different gear types are with the stats and all?
Personally i use zerk gear only for raids and fractals. In open world i use only soldiers just because i dont want to put much effort on staying alive.
I really pass whole dragonstand without hit any mob with soldiers. I agree with some in a degree that extra toughness is useless in some specific situations as dungeons etc, but for me is great for general pve.
No need to put ascended gear. Just put exotic (they re cheap in tp) and put traveler runes to see the speed difference(guard is really awfull cause of speed traits missing).
thanks for all your replys.
i now have played around with necro and guardian but i`m still not sure what to play,i not want to play 2 classes.
so i guess i have to test around a bit more. i just found so far that necro/reaper is way quicker and easyer in solo pve. guardian is more like use all CD and then auto attack and that feels a bit slow.
when i go at a golem the dmg is similar but in the open world it feels like the reaper is doing 2 times the dmg of the guardian.also guardian feels a bit squishy, i really have to use defens/heal CD to not run to low on HP.
with the guardian i have to really play more,like block and use the f2 skill,it feels like if you want you could survive really good i can imagine thats something come in handy in pvp? or is pvp more burst then survive longer?
on the other hand when you come low hp with the reaper you not come back as quick as the guardian
Test a guardian with soldier armor while trinkets and weapons all berserker. Is the most simple way to see how you can easily survive and melt down mobs easily.
It is just an example if you dont have experience with guard.
A straight zerk gear melt down simply everything, with soldiers you just dont have to worry so much about your hp and nothing more.
Compare necro to guard no…..guard melt them really fast if it is a good build.
Edit: Here is my general open pve/world bosses build.
It focused mainly on keeping me and my allies alive while making a fair ammount of dmg.
Not so much of a problem if you dont have infusions.
Wvw best place for earning them.
One level gives you 7 proofs of heroics. You can simply trade them for notarized scrolls.
If you choose the single scroll is a point from tyria while the second option(10) is a point from maguuma.
Personaly i get so much of them inside wvw that i barely made any hp in open world.
That being said, I would think that the non-boon defensive abilities Guardian possess would make them even more desirable if this boon stealing thing is the problem that the poster says makes Guardians = crap in fractals.
Read my post again: even WITHOUT the retaliation steal issue Guardians are STILL subpar at high level fractals.
The main source of damage from Guardians is usually physical, which performs poorly once the boss HP and armor (specially due the armor increse) starts to rise after level 50+. Condi Guardians rely on fire, which can’t be stacked massively as bleed/poison, neither have a weapon which procs conditions in autoattacks, so they need to spent utility skill slots to burn foes, end even then the damage output is a fraction of what a viper horror reaper can achieve.
It can be argued that Guardians offers useful utilities in fractals (mostly Wall of Reflection, group stability and some consecrations), but the thing is that in high fractals the faster you crush the enemies the less you have to worry about defensive tactics, and neither of the support skills from a Guardian are a need in high fractals.
It took me five to six weeks to grind the gold to craft the full ascended armor and weapons for my viper Reaper (which I only use for fractals), and I understand that can be a though effort for most of players (and also, their success can be suddenly reverted at any of those balance patches which Anet does 4-5 timeas each year) BUT the effort clearly worths the pain: is easy to play, is safe to play, erodes the high fractal bosses HP at voracious speeds and once you have it the rewards soon fills the cost: it lets you do the task in half of the time, and each time you get a ascended drop (armor pieces or weapons) you’re saving 120~150 gold coins.
Anyway, isn’t a problem specifically from the Guardian class: most of the classes and specializations have hard times in high fractals due the “sack of health points” boss design. A few builds can circunvent this issues making fractals a cake walk. Guardians doesn’t have any of those builds.
So, a fast resume: I don’t think that Guardians are crap at fractals due boon steals (albeit is an extra issue), I do think they are crap due they struggle to do damage to bosses, they struggle to keep themselves alive (a zerk Guard barely has 11k HP) and if I can do the same task with other class in half of the time, more safely and effortlessly then I can conclude that I have no reasons to use them is this department of the game.
Personally agree with that but when i’ll finish with my revenant i get in with him in there.
I have already a full viper’s on my engi and have the mats ready if i want a full viers on my necr.
I’m just not in that mood which i have to change class whenever something is really broken in the game…and something that doesn’t leave you a choice to play a whole type of classes it is broken..
Tbh that thing with whispering telling you noob low skill bla bla is getting out of control. I m on the point where if i win a match i m expecting a whisper right after.
So much hate n crying all the time for the stacking classes(clearly only stacking class problem always)
And yes. Dh is strong but not op. I found myself kill and be killed end of story.
All depend on player skills.
Sounds like Fractals at 81+ are a problem and not Guardian as a class
But that’s none of my business anyone have some tea?
Well…i main a guard again after swap to engi and back(i get a little bored with engi i know is still fun to play), and i m leveling up a revenant cause i have all armors and weapons ascended already from guardian so….i really don’t mind and i’m not gonna give up my class for only fractals.I prefer to give up on fractals instead of throw away 2 classes just like that. Not that i don’t have full armor on my engi and i’m really not in the mood of crafting armor for my necro. I just don’t want to give up power classes as i like them more.
Is a well known problem: at high level fractals (81+) enemies steal your boons; Guardian/DH is usually a machine of making light fields, which procs retaliation for your team, which ends with your team annihilated when the enemy steals this boon.
But even without this issue the Guardian/DH doesn’t provide too much to fractals: as the level rises the amount of HP and armor from bosses escalates hugely, so physical damage soon loses eficiency. Currently the best high fractal team composition is having 4 viper horror Necros/Reapers + one healer (Druid or Tempest), which can deal huge condition damage utterly ignoring the enemie’s armor and also tank and body block most of their attacks with their army of minions.
I did fracs with a Guard until level ~40, then swapped to Rev until ~70 and then swapped to Reaper. I’m not saying that can’t be done with Guard/DH, but is just suboptimal and cand end in your character accidentaly wiping your team with a random blasted light field.
Tottaly understand .
But in that case isn’t all power classes in huge problem as the extra toughness of bosses make their dps harder to achieve?
I completely understand that conditions have their best fit in there but in the other hand there aren’t only condi builds in this game.
Come on.
I was main a guardian and just leave him cause i get bored but traps are the same as IT WAS.
Ppl just have problem cause now dh’s are way more than before.
Also plz learn to avoid those traps. Their cd and activation are the same.
I saw many guardian just w8ing at capture point for a victim to activate them. It’s a common sense not to go in there. Pull him out and kill him and don’t waste both dodges at once…
Every single time that someone is beaten by some class is starting to cry at forums..
Ok they re a lot of them and the class is noob friendly but if the noob strategy is this just learn it and pull that guardian to another spot to fight him.
Agree only to the point that if your trap cd ends,trap must also end if it’s not yet activated. Nothing else.
Almost everyone feel lost when first enter this game.
Follow the above link and just give yourself some time and you will find it awesome.
Another thing you can do to test yourself in classes , is to just create a character, end the first instance(about 5 mins max) and then just hit the 2ble swrd icon on your screen(upper left).
You will go to pvp area where all characters are insta 80 and have some golems to hit and try classes or better play some pvp games to check them out.
I think the class you re looking for is the elementalist and is a very strong class atm.
