Guild Wars 2

You can still run CiS if you want blind on CnD. SR is kinda weak anyways. The heal isn’t that great and if you’re using it in sPvP then most any power class is gonna hit you for way more than the about 1k health you get for stealth camping. If you’re in WvW the fall damage proc is for jumping off walls into a group of enemies and blinding them and gaining stealth.

Sunshine.5014:

I question the honesty of the people who say Necro/Engi/Ranger are bad in this meta. Bunker MM Necro with constant boon strip can win a decent D/D Ele 80% of time. Condi spirit Ranger can own a lot of classes including Mesmer/Ele. People just don’t dare to try weird/unpopular builds, and then complain that other classes suck. or they try to act like victims to get buffed.

I talked about burning guardians and physical Warrior right after the patch landed. At that time, people still complained about how underpowered guardians/warriors are, because they got stuck in the old mindset. They didn’t try burning guardians or rampage. Now everyone complain about burning guard and rampage.

Quit playing the old style Necro/Ranger, and you will see how strong they are. Use your creativity.

+1

Well said.

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

Login.5102:

l2p issue

I keep track of every phantasm/clone and what they are doing. You just have to dodge the purple stuff and butterflies and kitten, ez pz people.

lol I love these coments. Well you just have to dodge XD

I think you forgot to mention that you where sarcastic

I know I love them too. They’re always said like that one attack was the only thing you had to dodge or you had infinite endurance.

Zelulose.8695:

(all of my builds are no secret)

Says the guy who was petitioning to get bars hidden from spectators so they couldn’t steal his build and when asked about his build said he wouldn’t show it because he didn’t want people stealing it. You’re obviously a liar.

Auesis.7301:

Shadow.1345:

KatanaPunk.1286:

I am normally pretty quiet on my opinion…

BUT

you guys forget that no spec will get the same weapon as other specs. So forget the staff thing when rangers are getting one.

Where did any of the developers ever say this?

Literally nowhere. This has been a pure assumption on the part of the players.

I didn’t think they had ever said it anywhere but I was giving the chance I may not have seen it.

Some of these players are as bad as the GoT people that think because they believed a fan theory bad enough it had to be true despite G.R.R.M’s propensity for crushing dreams by killing your favorite character matching ANet’s capacity for disappointing players with updates.

KatanaPunk.1286:

I am normally pretty quiet on my opinion…

BUT

you guys forget that no spec will get the same weapon as other specs. So forget the staff thing when rangers are getting one.

Where did any of the developers ever say this?

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Thief-Acrobat_

Rin.1046:

Shadow.1345:

Then ninja-to never existed when there were actual shinobi and according to the Bansenshukai staff and polearm were part of a professional shinobi’s training in bujutsu (ninjutsu isn’t a martial art itself, it’s just the “cloak and dagger” stuff). Stop getting your information from anime and charlatans peddling bujutsu as ninjutsu.

Not sure who you are aiming this at, so sorry if this was not aimed at me.

I never stated the ninja-to existed in ancient japan. And if you are aiming this at me, I learnt what I know about ninjutsu from an instructor of Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu, who was himself taught (at one stage) by Dr Masaaki Hastumi. I even had my belt signed by the great man himself. I find the comment of my knowledge coming from anime quite insulting, as I am very proud of having had the opportunity to learn such an art. I may not have all the details about the history of ninjutsu or the shinobi, but I do know some history and I do know what I was taught by my instructor.

Yes, ninjutsu is about the tactics of guerilla warfare and espionage, I never said it wasn’t, but many schools also developed and incorperated various styles of martial arts into its teachings, such as ways of fighting dirty, quick ways of disabling your enemy, using any object as a weapon, positioning, evasive dodge rolls, distracting actions, pressure points and many other tricks and techniques used in combat.

Many people have misconceptions about the ninja, mainly through films and such. I am not claiming to know the full history of the ninja, but I do know they used staff, as well as many other types of weapon.

The anime comment was not directed at you and I am sorry if you felt insulted by that or what I am about to say.

I know you studied from either a Bujinkan dojo or Genbukan with a small probability of it being Jinenkan. I know you ate up the ninja hype because I once did as well when I studied at a Bujinkan dojo but look at the last two words, Budo Taijutsu, which is what you are learning. It’s a Budo art. In other words bujutsu, not ninjutsu. I have admiration for Hatsumi-soke but the claims to inheriting soke-ship of koryu ninjutsu are unverified, won’t be allowed to be be verified and are evidenced to be falsified by Takamatsu’s request to creating a Kuki-ryu ninjutsu to the Kuki family, which was turned down. He likely knows this by now and is probably why he calls it Budo Taijutsu to save himself and Takamatsu face. That’s all I will say any further about it since this is not the forums for that.

Beyond that, I don’t know what ninja have to do with this since they don’t exist in Tyria. This is a thief class and maybe tahkayun have something to do with the class but since Cantha isn’t technically Japan I don’t see why something from Japanese history would matter over something from Guild Wars lore.

Srsly. What is the deal with this? This isn’t a hard fix that requires tons of testing and coding. It’s really simple. Take the base healing amount and multiply by 1.1 and put that number in where the old number was. And these guys get paid six figures to not be able to know how to do that. It takes less than five minutes.

I’ve actually met some thieves who prefer P/P as their ranged choice over SB because of the damage. It’s also funny how everyone talks about how weak and nub P/P is, even after getting facerolled by Unload.

Zero Day.2594:

Originally by: mako.2431

What: Thief damage
Why: “One shotted” by theif, 18519 damage
It was across 4 hits but they were all at once for the most part, the biggest being 9090. He jumped on me and I was down, period, gone. I have WvW’d enough to be in the silver ranks, I have NEVER died this fast, ever. This patch is broken, fix it.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/One-shotted-by-theif-18519-damage

Then ninja-to never existed when there were actual shinobi and according to the Bansenshukai staff and polearm were part of a professional shinobi’s training in bujutsu (ninjutsu isn’t a martial art itself, it’s just the “cloak and dagger” stuff). Stop getting your information from anime and charlatans peddling bujutsu as ninjutsu.

Also, it’s a staff. Revenants have a melee staff and ANet said they aren’t adding new weapons to the game. That means spear remains a water weapon so that when you double click to equip it it doesn’t get confused about what slot it goes into. It also means fists and leet kungfu disarming is out of the picture too. A picture is worth a thousand words and that picture is clearly from the thief line. It clearly has a polearm type of weapon and the only weapon we have for that is the staff. This could always be changed but for now the evidence clearly leans towards staff. Anything else at this moment is clearly wishful thinking.

All of the OP’s videos are mostly just setups or whacking a golem. From what it looks like he’s just one of those that sits in a dueling hot join room. That must be why he wants to get builds hidden on it.

CptCuddles.8912:

EremiteAngel.9765:

Lets consolidate our thoughts for the next patch.
what are the classes ranking from number 1 (needs the most nerfs) to number 7 (needs the least nerfs)?

1) Mesmers
2) Elementalist
3) Engineers
4) Thieves
5) Warriors
6) Guardians
7) Rangers

Soooo anyone else notice the OP is a necro main and this is inexplicably the only class not listed? Anyways, seems like a pretty objective list to me.

Now look at my nerf/buff list.

mordran.4750:

Shadow.1345:

Nerf List
1.) Every class except the classes I play

Buff List
1.) The classes I play

You are a genius good sir. Ever thought about applying to work for the Anet balance team ? You would perfectly fit.

Lol xD

Exo.2143:

Oh another one..

Bai

It’s actually his second goodbye, his first one was 3 days ago.

http://imgur.com/gallery/s3FZd8L/new

There look at that image. The black line starts from around the right shoulder (the shoulder facing us in the image) and the reddish-pinkish line traces the staff. If you look at where they stop at the left side of the image and imagine them continuing they will intersect. Considering the staff is a straight line and and the only place the arm can bend that is not shown is the wrist the hand would have to be bent oddly back away from the staff to not be holding off the side of the image.

riian.5690:

His hands are clearly not holding the weapon, which in all honestly anyone an see at first glance. It could certainly be staff, but I would highly doubt it in melee form. It seems to more or less a similar animation of the mesmer’s greatsword auto-attack.
My statement was done at first glance, I never saw a guy rushing with a weapon at all. I went totally Bruce Lee for me.

His left hand isn’t holding the weapon but if you look at the right arm were it end at the right side of the frame the logical conclusion is it is holding the staff. Looking at it I don’t see any movement lines, I just see smokey shadow magic stuff like when you do a shadow step.

The whole rifle thing from what I saw came from a picture when HoT was first announced where a guy in the background had on medium arm and was holding a rifle and because he had on a mask everyone jumped to the thief conclusion.

Then why didn’t you film it from your perspective?

Auesis.7301:

yolo swaggins.2570:

Petoox.6570:

http://i.imgur.com/xA8qvVk.png staff it seems

Don’t forget, that could also be the Rev’s elite specialization involving a melee spear. I believe anet planned to give all professions an elite spec. It would seem unfair if every profession had an elite spec except for rev.

Spears don’t exist, there are no new weapons – and Revenant’s melee Staff is not an Elite Specialisation. That, and the Staff in the picture is datamined in the game, PLUS the person in the picture is wearing Sneakthief armor ie. Medium.

Plus it has the same colours as the rest of the thief pictures for traits and skills as well.

Zelulose.8695:

lol play some spvp as a thief and see if this thief doesn’t kill you while you try to target a guy who literally came out of nowhere. Or say your half hp fighting on a point well bunker or no bunker your dead when he enters the scene and you won’t even see him coming.

I do play a thief and deal with this from other thieves. A lot of times it’s just that, the one who gets the opening strike wins. There are counters though, like Shadowstepping away. Since the thief hit you with that many attacks that fast it’s likely they got the Haste proc from Flanking Strikes. But thief is not the only class that can get high damage now. Warriors can dish it out pretty quick with a GS. I’ve seen Power Necros since the patch capable of doing 16k damage in 2 seconds. You just got outplayed is all.

Caedmon.6798:

The only thing in that vid i see that needs nerfing are the ridiculous Fire + air sigil.That kitten needs a nerfbat either dmg wise or increasing the cd on it either way it’s too strong and adding way to much dmg.

^ This. I’d like to see them done away with as well. Thief is not the only class that uses them to get big damage spikes. I got nailed for half my health bar from one tick of Doom from a Necromancer because it proced both those sigils and Chill of Death all at once.

Salamander.2504:

Hachiman.2470:

I think there was a recent post about this. I agree he is way too easy to kill. I’d even go as far as to suggest that he needs more than just an HP boost. I’d suggest an significant HP boost, dmg boost and a reduction in points awarded from 150 to 100. Currently a team can play poorly the entire match then one zerk can run in there and take out the lord in <15 sec for the win. At this point lord is just a handicap to allow poor play with the ability to still come out with a win.

How well can the other team actually be playing if their map awareness is low enough to let someone solo the lord? Maybe they got arrogant? I see that happen all the time, where a team has a great opening/mid-game, thinks their invincible and drops their guard, only to get beaten. It’s easy to stop someone from soloing the lord, zerker or not, just pay attention. Two people is obviously much harder. That said, I’m all for buffing the lord’s HP.

The problem is that even paying attention to the map he can be dead in <15 seconds after they show up on the map giving you no time to respond.

OneKlicKill.4285:

baylock.1703:

Problem with Necros is they have not enough aces to stability and stunbreaks making it easy to lock down

First I agree with the L2P

But necro have 4 stun-break utilities … they also get stab from 2/3 of their elites, both which aren’t all that bad…

Yeah but the dealer dealt him a kitten hand so he doesn’t have enough aces to be able to use them.

In sPvP if you want to run a Hybrid damage build I have found that you need to use the Rampager Amulet + Rune of the Wurm and you absolutely have to take CS line for Practiced Tolerance and No Quarter. The traits and the rune will combine to give you 402 Ferocity w/o Fury and 652 with while amulet will give you Power, Precision and Condition Damage. Otherwise you just won’t have the burst damage to offset the nerf to Condition Damage without the Ferocity.

I tried Celestial Hybrid in sPvP and it’s not very good. You have a little but more sustain but not enough to make up for the complete lack of damage. Your condis don’t do enough, your burst is lackluster, crit chance is not very high, power not so great. Basically it sucks because it’s not good at anything.

Furious.2867:

Shadow.1345:

Nerf List
1.) Every class except the classes I play

Buff List
1.) The classes I play

1. nerf Shadow so very too much op teef

LOL XD

Nerf List
1.) Every class except the classes I play

Buff List
1.) The classes I play

choovanski.5462:

bhagwad.4281:

Shadow.1345:

bhagwad.4281:

Shadow.1345:

Premade /= winning

Not every premade is some strategically thought out team composition. Not every group of people partied are even on voice chat. It’s just people that know each other and queue up together. They might be more inclined to res each other than some group of strangers but premades get beaten everyday by pugs. Not every premade gets beaten by pugs but everyday their are parties of people getting beat by 5 solo queuers.

In fact I am willing to bet that the over half of the groups queuing up together are not on voice chat or even all that good at pvp. They’re just queuing with guildies and friends because it’s more fun to get your kitten kicked with friends than 4 strangers.

Maybe…but why do people team up? Because it gives them better chances of winning. It allows them to select their team comp. It allows them to know each other’s builds. And as you mentioned, it allows them to coordinate better resses etc. Even if they’re not on voice chat, these basic advantages apply.

And if they can take the effort to form a team to improve their chances of winning, then that’s seriously enough to go to a team q where they can remain out of the hair of dedicated soloers IMHO.

People team up for different reasons. Not all of them do it for their team composition or to get ressed more or anything like that. In fact I bet the number 1 reason people queue up together is because they know each other and just want to enjoy a social game together with people they know instead of strangers.

There you go. You’re saying that people q up because they enjoy it. So why do they need to get extra rewards for something they will do anyway?

they don’t get extra rewards. winning or losing while in a party gives you the same rewards as if you were not in one.

I’m not saying that they should get more rewards or less rewards. I’m simply saying that not all premades are these strategic alliances. Over 50% of them are just bad to mediocre players (I fall in that category) that just want to queue up with their friends. My guild has a mumble server and I am almost never on it when I queue up with guildies. I’m simply saying that being in a party doesn’t really improve your odds of winning. Not enough to really make a big difference. Being in a party of people who practice together and set their builds and team composition to increase their odds of winning do but that’s really more of the minority of premades you run into.

atreyu.9624:

playing against premades can be actually fun when u see it’s a full team premade , most likely on TS too…and they actually lose lol.

Totes.

zinavlad.7581:

Shadow.1345:

Had 3 Necromancers on the other team in my last match and they were ridiculously hard to kill. That and necromancers are far from nerfed since the patch.

u needs damage, 1 ele, 1 mesmer and kill them

ez, no ?

We had a Guardian, Ele (though the player was new to playing Ele) and Thief. I was the thief and with DA/SA/Trk D/P with Zerker Ammie my HS was just tickling them even at <30% health.

But sure, next time I’ll just tell the game to give me a mesmer and ele instead of just what the queue gave me.

Yeah and even if someone from the other team is attacking you or you do it the old fashioned way of rushing it with a teammate or 2 all you have to do is focus on the Lord. You’re death is only worth 5 points, the Lord’s death is worth 150 points. That’s a bet with a 30:1 pay out. A bet with a 30:1 pay out should have somewhere close to 30:1 odds and right now there is ample enough proof to show that the odds are much closer to 1:1 than 30:1. The Devs definitely needs to be looking at this.

Ross Biddle.2367:

https://youtu.be/y9UqACWmj5w?t=573

• Solo warrior shows up at Lord on minimap at 5:04

• First in game notification at 4:53 ( 11 seconds later )

• Lord dead at 4:46 ( 7 seconds on )

So at best we’re talking less than 18 seconds to react, arrive, and counter a near dead lord while removing the solo offender, assuming you see the enemy icon appear on the map. This Lord kill resulted in the win.

Mine was in about 15 seconds from the warning and I couldn’t make it from around mid with a thief. And to reiterate incase the important part of that statement was missed for anyone I couldn’t make it back to the base in time on the most mobile class in the game using SB 5.

That is way too easy to make that many points. 150 points is 5 beast kills or close to a minute of triple capping or getting Tranquility and Serenity and holding on to those points for 25 seconds.

The issue of the Lord’s ease of being killed is something I would consider game breaking at this point.

Here is how fast it can be killed by just two people. I happened to be filming when I caught this gem.

bhagwad.4281:

Shadow.1345:

Premade /= winning

Not every premade is some strategically thought out team composition. Not every group of people partied are even on voice chat. It’s just people that know each other and queue up together. They might be more inclined to res each other than some group of strangers but premades get beaten everyday by pugs. Not every premade gets beaten by pugs but everyday their are parties of people getting beat by 5 solo queuers.

In fact I am willing to bet that the over half of the groups queuing up together are not on voice chat or even all that good at pvp. They’re just queuing with guildies and friends because it’s more fun to get your kitten kicked with friends than 4 strangers.

Maybe…but why do people team up? Because it gives them better chances of winning. It allows them to select their team comp. It allows them to know each other’s builds. And as you mentioned, it allows them to coordinate better resses etc. Even if they’re not on voice chat, these basic advantages apply.

And if they can take the effort to form a team to improve their chances of winning, then that’s seriously enough to go to a team q where they can remain out of the hair of dedicated soloers IMHO.

People team up for different reasons. Not all of them do it for their team composition or to get ressed more or anything like that. In fact I bet the number 1 reason people queue up together is because they know each other and just want to enjoy a social game together with people they know instead of strangers.

I don’t want them nerfed but they are more powerful post-patch. I have run into some power-necros that do some crazy damage. I don’t think this last patch was the nerfing people were QQing about before it was released.

Premade /= winning

Not every premade is some strategically thought out team composition. Not every group of people partied are even on voice chat. It’s just people that know each other and queue up together. They might be more inclined to res each other than some group of strangers but premades get beaten everyday by pugs. Not every premade gets beaten by pugs but everyday their are parties of people getting beat by 5 solo queuers.

In fact I am willing to bet that the over half of the groups queuing up together are not on voice chat or even all that good at pvp. They’re just queuing with guildies and friends because it’s more fun to get your kitten kicked with friends than 4 strangers.

Had 3 Necromancers on the other team in my last match and they were ridiculously hard to kill. That and necromancers are far from nerfed since the patch.

I swear if I ever have to read or hear about Necromancers getting nerfed in the patch again I will kick someone with an H at the beginning of their name in a not very nice place.

I have brought it up as well. With such an increase in damage and condition damage the Lord is far too easy to kill for 150 points.

In comparison the beasts are on opposite sides of the map and require killing them both each time they popped up twice and once during those pop up times to get the same amount of points with the other team trying to kill them too. I’m sure we have all had that beast kill stolen just from the last hit from the other team after you have been wailing on it to get it’s health down. I don’t think it should require a full team to beat it but it shouldn’t get killed as fast as it does now either.

NeXeD.3042:

I actually wish more people would spectate to find builds then they wouldn’t be using decent ones, easy kill yay!

+1

I would love Courtyard if it was done in best 2 out of 3 rounds. Not this ressing to just be farmed at your doorstep.

Zelulose.8695:

Shadow.1345:

Zelulose.8695:

Shadow.1345:

You know what, I’m not even done. There are different kinds of creativity and intelligence. This is a fact. Just because someone is poor at mathematics doesn’t make a person unintelligent because they may be very good at other areas of intellect. This goes with creating things as well. I have friend who plays who is an excellent writer and story-teller who role-plays a plethora of characters and creates great DM plots but she just runs a standard pewpew ranger build when she pvps because the whole mechanics building aspect doesn’t click with her. Does that make her uncreative just because she didn’t toil over the traits to find a build?

Also, just because we don’t think wasting the developer’s time and the company’s resources on hiding someone’s build from hot join spectators doesn’t mean we don’t want people to create their own builds or that we didn’t work on making our own. To imply the two are mutually inclusive is nothing short of asinine and insulting. Your proposed fix is not a fix because the real methods by which people obtain a build not of their own is not through spectating hot joins, it’s done by google searches and asking guildies and friends.

How exactly do you have the omnipresence to know that every player is on google searching builds instead of spectating them?

Also, you answered correctly. There are different types of creativity. This build creation aspect is one of many avenues that I would like to see opened up.

I don’t have the omnipresence to know that but do you have the omnipresence to know that they are spectating hot joins to get their builds?

I do however have logic on my side. See looking at the traits and coming up with your own build takes effort. Spectating matches to find someone that plays your class well takes time and effort as well. A google search to find what is the optimal build is much easier and requires less time and effort.

As for the different types of creativity, not everyone that pvps does it a lot and wants to spend time theory crafting. They just want something that doesn’t have them taking dirt naps as often when they do. Why force them to do something they don’t want to do? And do you honestly think those “lazy” people are going to choose going into different hot join rooms in hope of finding someone who plays their class well when they can just google it instead?

I don’t have omnipresence either. However, it is reasonable to assume that many player use spectate to copy builds. Otherwise, people would not be so against changing spectate to hide skill bars and traits.

For the first bolded portion, refer to previous threads.

For the second bolded portion, I don’t doubt they will google builds. But when their class get’s destroyed by their own profession in a hot-join, they will find it faster just to spectate it and take it rather than google it. Also, there is no guarantee the build they want to figure out is on google.

If this change wont affect you why do you fight it so much? Do you really like spectating/stealing players builds that much?

No, it’s not reasonable because that path of least effort is just running a search for it.

Hot join is a joke and nobody cares about it. I don’t know anyone who takes hot joins seriously.

People are against the Devs spending time changing spectate options on hot joins when there is an xpac coming out, two traits that are currently disabled because they are not working properly, a poor match-making system and other fixes that take far more priority. Spending time working on your proposal is by and large a waste of their time because that time could be better spent doing other things that helps people more. That’s how I know it is a waste of time and working in game development myself I can make a safe assumption on that.

Stealing builds from hot join heroes? Did you seriously just accuse me of that? I have stated I run my own build that may not be the best but I enjoy it. I haven’t done hot joins since a patch kept me from joining ranked and unranked which is what I do, not lame hot joins, until that problem was fixed.

By this point you have proven yourself to be incapable of seeing anything beyond your own narrow scope and hence why this is not being taken seriously by anyone. Your idea is a joke. No one supports it because it is a joke not because they want to “steal” your build or anyone else’s. Besides the build is ANet’s since they made the traits so they aren’t “stealing” anything even if they are. Nobody owns a build. Your logic is also a joke that breaks down to illogical responses and ad hominem attacks by stating if they don’t agree with you they must be mindless sheep out there stealing people’s intellectual property.

Zelulose.8695:

Shadow.1345:

You know what, I’m not even done. There are different kinds of creativity and intelligence. This is a fact. Just because someone is poor at mathematics doesn’t make a person unintelligent because they may be very good at other areas of intellect. This goes with creating things as well. I have friend who plays who is an excellent writer and story-teller who role-plays a plethora of characters and creates great DM plots but she just runs a standard pewpew ranger build when she pvps because the whole mechanics building aspect doesn’t click with her. Does that make her uncreative just because she didn’t toil over the traits to find a build?

Also, just because we don’t think wasting the developer’s time and the company’s resources on hiding someone’s build from hot join spectators doesn’t mean we don’t want people to create their own builds or that we didn’t work on making our own. To imply the two are mutually inclusive is nothing short of asinine and insulting. Your proposed fix is not a fix because the real methods by which people obtain a build not of their own is not through spectating hot joins, it’s done by google searches and asking guildies and friends.

How exactly do you have the omnipresence to know that every player is on google searching builds instead of spectating them?

Also, you answered correctly. There are different types of creativity. This build creation aspect is one of many avenues that I would like to see opened up.

I don’t have the omnipresence to know that but do you have the omnipresence to know that they are spectating hot joins to get their builds?

I do however have logic on my side. See looking at the traits and coming up with your own build takes effort. Spectating matches to find someone that plays your class well takes time and effort as well. A google search to find what is the optimal build is much easier and requires less time and effort.

As for the different types of creativity, not everyone that pvps does it a lot and wants to spend time theory crafting. They just want something that doesn’t have them taking dirt naps as often when they do. Why force them to do something they don’t want to do? And do you honestly think those “lazy” people are going to choose going into different hot join rooms in hope of finding someone who plays their class well when they can just google it instead?

You know what, I’m not even done. There are different kinds of creativity and intelligence. This is a fact. Just because someone is poor at mathematics doesn’t make a person unintelligent because they may be very good at other areas of intellect. This goes with creating things as well. I have friend who plays who is an excellent writer and story-teller who role-plays a plethora of characters and creates great DM plots but she just runs a standard pewpew ranger build when she pvps because the whole mechanics building aspect doesn’t click with her. Does that make her uncreative just because she didn’t toil over the traits to find a build?

Also, just because we don’t think wasting the developer’s time and the company’s resources on hiding someone’s build from hot join spectators doesn’t mean we don’t want people to create their own builds or that we didn’t work on making our own. To imply the two are mutually inclusive is nothing short of asinine and insulting. Your proposed fix is not a fix because the real methods by which people obtain a build not of their own is not through spectating hot joins, it’s done by google searches and asking guildies and friends.

The build I run is my own and not copied.

My reasoning is that people who are looking for a build someone else made isn’t going to spend the time watching hot join (which most people think is a joke) and instead just do a quick google search, find meta-battle and go from there because it requires less effort. It has nothing to do with my creativity level. The real issue of creativity or lack thereof is a problem of humanity that goes much deeper than hiding spectating on hot join matches or even a video game in general. The changing of spectating people’s builds only serves to rob the majority, including people who don’t pvp, to simply satisfy less than 1% of the playerbase by using time and resources to change that instead of adding new content, like new maps. You still have yet rebut my point that it is a waste of time and resources for this fix that isn’t a fix or prove that it in truth a fix when so many other more easily accessible sources are available.

Furious.2867:

I guess ppl are different. Im usually flattered when someone copies whatever I’ve created even if it’s crap

Same here.

Our reasons are sound and you just turn around to use the “if you don’t support my idea then you must be mindless sheep” response.

With all of the other outlets for people to find builds to use instead of creating their own when they get frustrated or just want something to start with you think the least likely used outlet, spectating hotjoin matches, being changed to hide that stuff is going to fix the problem of the lack of creativity and diversity in builds. It’s like putting a band-aid on a bullet wound. If you wanted to stop it you’d have to shutdown youtube, these forums, other GW2 related forums, meta-battle, etc.

Furthermore fixing it so hotjoin spectators can’t see a build is a waste of resources to make a very small percentage of the playerbase feel better when those resources could be better allocated on new content.

TL;DR This idea is not a fix and a selfish waste of resources better spent on the community as a whole.

Zelulose.8695:

Shadow.1345:

Zelulose.8695:

Shadow.1345:

Zelulose.8695:

Shadow.1345:

I don’t honestly know why anyone would spectate your hotjoin match to steal your build when they could just go on google or youtube and type in “gw2 -class- pvp” build. Besides with 3 choices per trait tier it’s not like it’s all that hard for people to come up with a build.

Face it, nobody stole your build, they just saw the same glaring combination of traits, utilities and weapons and combined them.

This is not going to protect builds from being stolen. It will instead slow their distribution (As noted in my OP and previous posts)

If you don’t want your build stolen don’t use it in hotjoins. Problem solved.

Forcing secretive player to stop playing pvp is exactly why I posted this thread. Your post is, in fact, a revelation that this can affect the player base count and quality.

You can still pvp in ranked or unranked matches. Nobody said you had to quit playing.

But seriously,nobody that is going to use someone’s else build is going to watch you stomp on hotjoin heroes just to steal your scrub-a-dub-dub rubber ducky build. They’re going to go metabattle and use a build people that pros are using. Because if no one else is using your build or something extremely close to it, that they came up with on their own, and posting a video on youtube of it then your build isn’t worth stealing.

(Addressed in previous posts)

And your reply was pointless and a waste of ANet’s resources that could be better spent on more game content and fixing balance issues instead of protecting your ultra secret build.

Zelulose.8695:

Shadow.1345:

Zelulose.8695:

Shadow.1345:

I don’t honestly know why anyone would spectate your hotjoin match to steal your build when they could just go on google or youtube and type in “gw2 -class- pvp” build. Besides with 3 choices per trait tier it’s not like it’s all that hard for people to come up with a build.

Face it, nobody stole your build, they just saw the same glaring combination of traits, utilities and weapons and combined them.

This is not going to protect builds from being stolen. It will instead slow their distribution (As noted in my OP and previous posts)

If you don’t want your build stolen don’t use it in hotjoins. Problem solved.

Forcing secretive player to stop playing pvp is exactly why I posted this thread. Your post is, in fact, a revelation that this can affect the player base count and quality.

You can still pvp in ranked or unranked matches. Nobody said you had to quit playing.

But seriously,nobody that is going to use someone’s else build is going to watch you stomp on hotjoin heroes just to steal your scrub-a-dub-dub rubber ducky build. They’re going to go metabattle and use a build people that pros are using. Because if no one else is using your build or something extremely close to it, that they came up with on their own, and posting a video on youtube of it then your build isn’t worth stealing.