Guild Wars 2

The red team has 3 people fighting one guy off point in a bad location.

It’s a T4 Ruby match and I’m a T5 emerald and the red team has my teammates. This is clearly a lie.

@TheFamster my last match I played I got paired with a 4 man party vs another 4man party and 1 pug. My 4 man zerged beast every time it came up leaving me at mid and home undefended. Draw on the map, ping the points, talk in chat and explain to hold points and they just don’t listen. No matter how many times I tell people on Forest that beast is worthless and capped nodes wins matches all they can think is “25 points”. To top it off because they get those 25 personal points per kill they are under this delusion they played better because they have more personal points. How exactly do I play better to carry a 4man premade to victory? What did I do wrong that I should have done better?

I know hold 2 to win and cleave on downed targets, stay out of AoE and don’t over commit on nodes but after days of losses I constantly get teamed with people who have no concept of rotations and how to counter enemy rotations. I tell people when we are losing and are getting wiped to regroup and they just stagger out one by one to get massacred one at time. I’ll see someone at home backcapping and try to run to get there but on a necro with plague signet you are just pulling all the chills and cripples slowing me down to the point that snails laugh as they speed past me. I could cast my signet but then I have no stunbreak or condi transfer when I need it for 30 seconds. What exactly should I do then to stop the backcap? Stand still and type in team chat to the people so focused on killing one person?

You made a remark about someone else not taking your advice but what do you do when you get teamed with people who won’t listen to advice or are so convinced their advice is right, like the guy who told me he made Saph in one day but thought rushing Lord at 200 points against a team with 300 points, map domination on two nodes and an overall better comp that they would have to pull back to defend the Lord instead of just sending one to cap the third node and rush our Lord for the win. But he got to Saph in one day so he must be a smarter player. Should I have taken his advice to rush Lord and done better for my team? Does me not following his advice or people not following mine make me a bad player?

You also mentioned you had a losing streak for 6 hours and raged and almost broke your keyboard (that’s some serious raging) and even got blocked from your guildies because of your raging. Imagine how much you would rage when you can barely get a win in 3-5 days. (Add in insult to injury that my last win didn’t get me any pips because of some latency bug that the match doesn’t even show up in my match history after 2 hours.) You’d probably be arrested for that much property damage and disturbing the peace.

Honestly, if you raged that much over that then you have little room to judge people for coming to voice their concerns in a thread about this problem started by a player much better than you that has done well in past AGs and has a chance at Pro Leagues this season.

Now people don’t get into ELO hell from losing two games, it happens when you get on a losing streak of like 7 or 8. Your MMR starts to drop and your teammates get worse. Eventually you start getting the PvE’rs that want the backpiece. They just face tank DH traps and marks and Reapers in shroud. They don’t rotate when they have a numbers advantage on a point to better protect the other node. They still continue rushing mid one by one when we are playing side nodes to split up the 3 reapers. This then continues and even when you are winning they will get kitteny, go for that third node and throw the game. No matter how many times I say in team chat at the beginning to hold 2 nodes they run around aimlessly on the map like it is PvE roaming.

What amuses me the most about people and this is that if people on losing streaks complain about the PvE heroes we get teamed with we get told to “git gud” and learn to carry our teammates but those same people hate the old system because they don’t want to have bad players on their team. Isn’t that a bit hypocritical? It’s ok for average players or even slightly below average players to have bad players after losing enough times but keep them off your team because it affects you personally and you don’t want to have to carry anyone?

How are those queue times btw?

Yeah today was my last day. I’m done. Enjoy your Esports Anet.

I am lol’ing so hard. OP wants lose streak bonuses removed and win streak bonuses increased.

Cristobal.8640:

The only weird thing I’ve seen happened on legacy mid, I was playing thief and I used Bound for mobility to get from a ledge to the middle of the point, no enemies or allies in sight. Mid air from bound a mesmer materialized on the point and my character went into the air as if I had walked on a Skyhammer jumpad, since this happened at the highest point of Bound, the falling damage almost killed me. I’m assuming it was a bug of some kind.

I have had that happen to me as well, the shooting up in the air thing. I thought maybe it was just a bug.

Trying for losing streaks to get the pip bonus is nonsense since it makes so little sense. If you lose 2 games you lose one pip over all because that third one you win gets you one pip back you loss. If you lose 3 you gain two back so again a 1 pip loss. Losing more than that is counter intuitive because by then you want to get those 2 back for the win bonus, not wait for 15 more losses.

I don’t know about that but I have seen one hacker myself. At first he was afk so I ran to home and then he suddenly appeared at home. We got rushed at home and he got downed and suddenly rallied. Perhaps it was because of a stomp elsewhere but it was odd how he could literally teleport to another point. I thought it was my ping but I live a few hours drive from the servers in Texas and have fiber optics, my ping generally averages at around 25 and everyone else on my team was saying the same thing about the player.

Zuko, thank you for making this post because it speaks such truth. I have the same thoughts but not being a pro and being on more losing streaks than winning streaks means nobody will listen to me if I say it. I made it through Amber the first day and have now been stuck in t5 Emerald for 2 days and this is now my 3rd. Everytime I get 3 pips I start losing them.

Now, I’m at the point where the game makes me feel bad about myself. At the end of every loss when I look at my win rate drop by a percentage point each day I feel depressed. I’m sure saying that will get me a lot of hate and trashtalk but honestly other people’s lack of empathy and understanding doesn’t bother me. What should be bothering to people and Anet is that something made to make you feel good while you’re doing it has turned into something that makes people feel bad. I shouldn’t feel depressed about a game I love but happy. Everyone should. I even mentioned that in map chat one night and people agreed that they felt like kitten because of leagues. Honestly at this point I’m thinking of just uninstalling like some of my irl friends have done already.

Maybe if all the players that are on the losing end just boycotted Leagues and let the pros and people that have been fortunate enough to be on the winning side thus far have at it until those leave and the pros are just left with hour long queues then maybe Anet will have to look at what is going on.

+1
I like this idea. Not only does it serve to help the ranked players during the off season but the players that stick to unranked won’t have to face ESL players during the off season and thus making the game unfun for them. Which is what a game is all about anyways, having fun.

Looks awesome, good job.

Lithril Ashwalker.6230:

Currently Venomous Aura allows us to use our stats as the source of the damage coming from the venoms, what about the source of interrupts when we are traited with Basilisk venom, venomous aura, impacting disruption AND pressure striking?

Leeching venoms proc with venomous aura and allow our allies to sap life, but why cant we apply pulmonary impact or torment with impacting disruption and pressure striking if an ally interrupts an enemy with OUR venom?

is this a bug?

No it’s not because BV is the one venom that gets put on as being from themselves instead of the thief so that’s why interrupts from teammates using BV doesn’t proc ID.

Israel.7056:

twojackson.5607:

I did a simple search on the forums and reddit. Forums didn’t turn up anything at all. But it seems someone may have had an encounter with me. I honestly don’t remember it, but that is my character.

Here is the story. https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2daqet/pvp_i_think_i_just_played_with_the_best_gw2/

I actually think you wrote that.

If you look at the post history of the user he talks about another greatest 1v1er that would troll people in map chat and then agree to duel for 150g and then he never lost in response to how to get Legendaries.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2h1zkz/those_that_have_multiple_legendarys_whats_your/

And then later a post from the same user asking why Braun Dagger The Legend Shadow Ranger got banned from GW2.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2h6hwg/rip_braun_dagger_self_proclaimed_pvp_legend/

#popcorn

/15chars made the steampunk popcorn maker

I work nights as well so I have the same kind of schedule. I don’t mind helping you out and playing with you. You can message me ig.

choovanski.5462:

Shadow.1345:

choovanski.5462:

twojackson.5607:

I’ll get the pictures in a second. But I’ll be your druid and I’m known as one of the best 1v1 players in the world. I’m proficient as kitten in ranger and condi thief. And by proficient I mean that if I gave someone my exact build and tactics, I’d still win.

I’ve done some 2v2 weeklies before, but back when PVP had it’s own currency, I was the undefeated champion in the 1v1 world tournament (self organized by the top players, most left the game). I’ve also attempted to duel Chaith a few times but he blocked me because he thought I was kidding.

I’ll record my games tonight, all should be wins per usual. In the mean time, if you’d like to ask around about me, I’m sure a good amount here have heard of me. I am Shadow, full name: SHADOWJEDI

i seen you talking smack in map chat

hope you’re all that

I saw this guy lose a 2v2 to two necros in the previous meta and he had a Tempest with him. I was one of the necros and he went down in about 5 seconds.

that wouldnt surprise me. my ping prior to a week ago (when i got fibre) ranged from 200 – 6000, i’ve lost a lot fights because of it. so many spikes.

still, could have been on an engi and could have been double condi. thats never gonna go well.
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@twojackson.5607: i’m not taking the micky, i’m serious. you trash talking is pretty funny, and i hope you are that good dude. i 100% support your esport dream homes, love to see you in the ESL.

Yeah I had some serious ping issues as well so that could be the case.

choovanski.5462:

twojackson.5607:

I’ll get the pictures in a second. But I’ll be your druid and I’m known as one of the best 1v1 players in the world. I’m proficient as kitten in ranger and condi thief. And by proficient I mean that if I gave someone my exact build and tactics, I’d still win.

I’ve done some 2v2 weeklies before, but back when PVP had it’s own currency, I was the undefeated champion in the 1v1 world tournament (self organized by the top players, most left the game). I’ve also attempted to duel Chaith a few times but he blocked me because he thought I was kidding.

I’ll record my games tonight, all should be wins per usual. In the mean time, if you’d like to ask around about me, I’m sure a good amount here have heard of me. I am Shadow, full name: SHADOWJEDI

i seen you talking smack in map chat

hope you’re all that

I saw this guy lose a 2v2 to two necros in the previous meta and he had a Tempest with him. I was one of the necros and he went down in about 5 seconds.

40 seconds. I main engi and it is 40. I think you’re likely exaggerating your experience.

It is in the CD for the skill and the gyro lasts for 30 seconds or until destroyed or detonated. If Scrappers you are facing are always in stealth then they are doing little to contribute to node capture.

Yep same here, this is fun.

@OP, Didn’t you say only noobs qq about balance?

Seriously, just lost a pip because the 5th person never even connected. ANet how do you plan to fix this issue? Because it’s kind of a pain in the kitten to lose pips because the team is short a person and quite honestly unfair to the people that play the match.

NeXeD.3042:

Lol and he’s diamond rank…. shouldn’t be possible to reach that rank without knowing kittening game mechanics. Lol.

+1

This statement is exactly why I don’t care about division in this current season. It’s not a mark of skill but more a mark of how much you grinded. Hoping next season will be better about this.

Hey K pop, I’m looking for a team to play in AG. I played with you on the FA team last week. I was the engi on your team. I am patient and willing to learn and want to improve. I have no problems playing with a warrior.

Have you watched the Pro Leagues? It’s the most boring thing I have ever seen. 15 minute 1v1s. 8-10 min average before a point is even capped. And mesmers are a big part of this considering every team has to have 2 to even be competitive. It’s not mesmer hate it’s making the game less boring to play. I mean I like that classes can play a bunker but when it is all about dat bunker then something needs to change to make bunkers and zerkers viable.

Honestly, I’d much rather them add piercing to Vital Shot and Unload than add a rifle. Thief doesn’t need another weapon it needs another role that isn’t currently being done by another class. Ranger will always have better long range DPS and stealthy cc/support revealer rifle guy is currently being filled by Scrapper. To add those roles to the much squishier thief would be redundant on top of giving the thief a useless new role better done by another profession.

When I play necro I find them easy to kill. Just put down staff 4 where they land and bam, condis transfered. Ez pz.

Rememeber back when pewpew Ranger was considered one of the two weakest classes along with Necromancer? That’s what a 1200 range DPS thief would be but squishier and lacking a pet. So, no, I won’t quit if they don’t get rifle.

Don’t bother with this guy. He accuses anyone who beats him in PvP of hacking.

Don’t zerg Cheiftan and Svanir, it only takes one person to kill them
Controlling mid (or far if you decide as a team to play sides) is more important in the opening split than killing the beast. If you’re a damage role and you can’t 1v1 Svanir and Cheiftan with confidence, it’s your build or you need practice. Go practice on them in the mists before queing and if you can’t beat them after practicing several times then find a better build. A damage build that can’t 1v1 Svan/Cheif is going to be deterimental to your team and your enjoyness of the game.

You’re not Rambo, don’t yolorush far
Trust me, it’s not going to be another thief waiting for you. It’s going to be a bunker chrono or an aura tempest. If you’re lucky it will just be a reaper or meditrapper. You’re probably not going to get the point before the enemy team rotates back to you after winning the 4v3 at mid. Unless you are playing with a group this is usually a bad idea in the opening split for pugs and generally occurs because one person got it in their mind as they were running out of the base to Rambo rush far. Don’t do this. You’re just going to be 5 enemy team points instead of a hero.

Asumir.1978:

Shadow.1345:

Climbing, we have it. It’s SB5.

Throwing daggers, we have them too, in the form of two DD utility skills.

Not quite. It is a teleport jump. Can’t scale castle walls with it.

I meant the daggers and shuriken in our armour. Turn them into more than decoration.

This isn’t Skyrim, it’s not necessary for the game. Besides, why would I want to get hit by every projectile while my character climbs up the wall at some moderate rate when I could just teleport up?

Armour are just sprites. As an object, on its own, the graphic we see doesn’t make any more difference to anything else than any of the other skins. It’s just a different number, that is the address of where that pattern is in the memory files. Any thing you see on the skin holds no meaning to anything but being an image. It would be like trying to eat the hamburger you see on the menu at McDonalds. It’s not real. It won’t work.

If you want to RP some ninja then just use your imagination for crawling walls with grappling hooks and throwing shuriken.

I think if you want offense Grymm is probably better than Nika because of the proc on crits when in his support AoE but I’m not sure if there is a current meta for SH heroes.

bLind.6278:

Mcrocha.3891:

I mean if you miss it 3 times…

Queue times are crap as it is and you’re not allowed to do literally ANYTHING else while you wait in queue for upwards of five to ten minutes at a time, of course it’s reasonable for someone to tab out and surf the web while they wait.

It’s just another player being punished for short-sighted game design by a horrible, inept development team.

I tab out and you still get a loud queue sound and the icon blinks on the tool bar. That’s no excuse because I can do that and still hit accept.

OP is also the same guy who reports anyone for beating him in a match for hacking.

sinject.4607:

Question for any developer feeling cavalier enough to answer, why do balance changes take 3-4 months? is there any internal logic within the balance team to justify why we experience changes in the seasons more often than balance changes?

Any chance of getting a response or do I have to post about it on the subreddit to elicit one?…

I’m not a developer but I have had some experience in the field and balancing is harder that people think it is. Over buff something and it becomes OP, underbuff something and it’s still too weak. Same with nerfs. Under nerf it and it’s still too powerful, over nerf it and it becomes useless.

Coltaine.7094:

Flumek.9043:

Ok, now i know it will even out and catch up later, but i think you guys might need a laugh so heres my fresh first soloq of today

1) a thief who still plays thief
2) he has power signet
3) he pushes 1v1 far
….
4) against….. Dragonhunter….
…..
5) 1.43 seconds

I aint even mad

Hahaha this made my laugh. i normaly main thief and stopped after 3 rounds ranked & now im one of those brand new dh guarding Close & sometimes i even shed a tear for those poor one-shoted-thiefs. i know something is broken…

I had a thief yesterday that when asked if he would decap/backcap he responded with “condi” and then spent almost the entire game trying to 1v1 a DH at home node. He must have fed the other team at least 100 points on all his 1-2 seconds deaths.

You had 3 DHs, a Druid and Rev.

Leohart.4610:

peace out girl scout.

Bye Felicia

+1

SoloQ is never coming back. If you don’t want to face teams don’t play ranked because that’s what you are going to be facing.

nearlight.3064:

Shadow.1345:

nearlight.3064:

Shadow.1345:

I tried a build similar to this and Curses is just a weak traitline atm. The first minor depends on having precision and any of the amulets that give precision don’t have vitality. Running spite and using some signets with the boon conversion is better plus you proc vulnerability on chill which stacks another condition for scepter 3. In a 1v1 situation you need that extra HP because armor just doesn’t cut it.

Yeah, perma weakness is so bad man, I don’t know why you’d ever want to run something as horribly useless as that when you can just use your wonderful heal signet that’s only good because it’s bugged to go through walls and evades and so you can outplay people with skillful passive procs like chill of death.

It’s not bad at all but comparing might stacking, vulnerability on chill, increasing damage against opponents with lower health and boon corrupting on SoL and PS (I use the heal shout, not the signet, which I have never liked) to a 3s bleed, Fury when going into shroud and more precision just makes the traitline not worth it for me. Plus both have a skillful passive proc of some kind Spite has Chill of Death and Curses has Plague Sending. Wanderer’s is a cool amulet but all the condi duration increase is negated by a simple condi clear.

But if you have played Necro long enough that you find Curses better then keep playing it. More power to ya. I just found it under performs compared to might and burns on Shroud skill 1 and all the boon corrupting.

You’re more reasonable than I thought. The thing is that you’re somewhat right, curses isn’t better than spite, even though in theory it should be better for a condi build than spite, but its just not, unless you run corruptions like messiah, which are hard to use, even if they are very powerful skills.

As for wanderer vs. carrion: carrion does much better against other condi-heavy teams, so other reapers and revenants and what have you, however wanderer is a bit better against comps that don’t have a dedicated condi user, and in the current meta the extra condi duration is extremely strong because most teams aren’t running shout builds that can deny all condi pressure in a teamfight (like bunker guard or shoutbow warrior from older metas), so I’d argue that it does have its place, although carrion is better against other condi users.

Thank you. I do agree that Curses should be better but sadly it doesn’t seem to be. I tried to run a Curses/SR/Reaper build with Wanderer’s and found that I was only doing well when my team was doing well, which told me I was getting carried by my team. After getting beaten by a Ranger 3 times in a 1v1 I said “gf” and they responded with “ur pretty bad no offense”. After having lost 3 times to them I had no leg to stand on so I looked over what I was doing and compared Spite and Curses. My conclusion was that Spite still helped me with conditions and gave me access to boon corruption outside of Corrupt Boon. Since switching to Carrion and Spite I do so much better.

NeXeD.3042:

Harvey.7820:

NeXeD.3042:

I’ve been playing pvp mmos since 1998. GW2 pvp is one of the best pvp experiences I’ve ever had. The others are Ultima Online, DAoC, and Darkfall. GW2 is the only game I’ve played that comes close.

It seems to me most people who think this is a failing esport are the ones who just couldn’t cut it, and they attempt to spread this Esports is a failure idea. They complain about OmG why would they spend 400k on a pvp competition when “I” think they should spend it on balance because the game is clearly imbalanced because I didn’t make it to pro leagues! Dunning kreuger.

You must be an EXTREMELY slow learner if you’ve PvPed from 1998 and still cant recognize class imbalance. Maybe you’re one of those players that plays FoTM classes on every patch release.

No it means I’m an extremely good judge of balance. You probably play a warrior or theif so I do feel bad, but you are now what rangers and necros used to be.

I’ve mained a necro for like 3 years during the good and bad and I don’t always play a meta build yet I’ve maintained a 58% winrate in ranked/unranked.

Well said. As someone who mains a thief and plays a Necro as a secondary class I feel like Thief being at a low point is only fair after being in the meta consistently since the game was released while others have been out of it for long periods of time. With ANet’s desire to shake up the meta every quarter thief and warrior will be back in it one day. For now I still play Thief and enjoy it and keep playing hard. When I feel like being more of a presence in team fights and not so much in the roll of rotating constantly I switch it up to Necro.

nearlight.3064:

Shadow.1345:

I tried a build similar to this and Curses is just a weak traitline atm. The first minor depends on having precision and any of the amulets that give precision don’t have vitality. Running spite and using some signets with the boon conversion is better plus you proc vulnerability on chill which stacks another condition for scepter 3. In a 1v1 situation you need that extra HP because armor just doesn’t cut it.

Yeah, perma weakness is so bad man, I don’t know why you’d ever want to run something as horribly useless as that when you can just use your wonderful heal signet that’s only good because it’s bugged to go through walls and evades and so you can outplay people with skillful passive procs like chill of death.

It’s not bad at all but comparing might stacking, vulnerability on chill, increasing damage against opponents with lower health and boon corrupting on SoL and PS (I use the heal shout, not the signet, which I have never liked) to a 3s bleed, Fury when going into shroud and more precision just makes the traitline not worth it for me. Plus both have a skillful passive proc of some kind Spite has Chill of Death and Curses has Plague Sending. Wanderer’s is a cool amulet but all the condi duration increase is negated by a simple condi clear.

But if you have played Necro long enough that you find Curses better then keep playing it. More power to ya. I just found it under performs compared to might and burns on Shroud skill 1 and all the boon corrupting.

I tried a build similar to this and Curses is just a weak traitline atm. The first minor depends on having precision and any of the amulets that give precision don’t have vitality. Running spite and using some signets with the boon conversion is better plus you proc vulnerability on chill which stacks another condition for scepter 3. In a 1v1 situation you need that extra HP because armor just doesn’t cut it.

There is a reward for it. It’s called Objective Defender. You get it when you get a kill on a point you control. If you are just camping a point noone is attacking you are hurting your team more than helping it.

Jana.6831:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/NA-Pro-League-Meta

0 warriors still, 3 thieves.

3 necros, 3 rangers… guess that means reaper is UP as well.

Good to know, I’ll start demanding buffs for Reaper Shroud.

Josh XT.6053:

No I want all of that stuff removed because what does PvE content have to do with Players vs Players?

In a boxing match, does a boxer get to go up to a dog and kick it to gain more points? No, they don’t, because it is a player vs player kind of match..

Yet when they had Courtyard every one kittened to get rid of it.

Genocide.4506:

Let’s all be honest here.. If other classes didn’t have cooldown on their skills i.e. warrior eviscerate or 100b they’d be spamming it too since those are hella strong in terms of damage… keep spamming boys and gals

Exactly. If Rangers had initiative you’d be getting hit with triple RF constantly.

Climbing, we have it. It’s SB5.

Throwing daggers, we have them too, in the form of two DD utility skills.

Ario.8964:

Cute Shadow but what you are failing to realize is if enough calling out happens then the possibility of a change being made is higher. This has been demonstrated on multiple occasions throughout the games history. I.E the Mesmer exodus and then their push for IP as a baseline. Troll and slander all you want this thread may help to make a difference someday.

#rektgitgudnoobcyakthnxbye!

Almost everyday there is some new qq post about how players can’t play thief and how many buffs have there been vs. how many nerfs there have been? Thief is fine it’s the players that are bad. Bad players that would rather whine to mommy and daddy Anet to make things better rather than learning how to play a class that is still currently in the meta. It’s cute, though, that you think you “rekt” me with that response. Maybe one day you’ll there will be a realistic one of these posts that the devs don’t just skip past and doesn’t get buried along with all of the other of these types of posts. Until then, keep dreaming.