Guild Wars 2

Kuya.6495:

Cool bro, now what class are you using to fight these blocky healy DH?

I main thief and sub Warr. I’ve also used necro and Engi. With thief, does this even need any explanation? With Warrior, DH has good condi clears so good luck trying to kill one with a macebow warrior. Necro, again, condi clearing is too good necro dead. Engi, I don’t play much Engi but from what little I’ve played, I cant kil them but they can’t kill me but that’s because it’s Engi…

Kuya.6495:

What class are you using to fight these tanky DH?

DH are not tanky. They have too many blocks and an invuln skill. They have too much healing power on top of the blocks. Literally if they dodge roll, they get 1k health. Not for evading an attack, but just for pressing the dodge button. Yes, not actually evading an attack, but just pressing the dodge button will heal you for 1k. Did I not make it clear enough? Literally pressing the dodge key will heal you for 1k. 1k is a lot just for pressing a dodge key. Let’s see, their symbols will not only damage you as well but they’ll heal the DH too. This why DH is strong, the game of conquest heavily favors DH more than any class

DH is broken. Everything about the class is broken. DH has too many passive, childish defenses. They can stay alive for way too long and it’s not because these DH players are good (as if being “good” at Gw2 PvP is something to brag about) but because they have too many childish defenses. With all these defenses, you’d expect them to hit like a wet noodle yet they hit like a freaking truck. So not only can they stay alive but they can also deal insane amounts of damage? Hmm, was there ever a point in which Anet devs realized that this might just be a little too strong? I just don’t get what Anet devs think during these “balance” updates. My guess is they lack the resources to do anything worthwhile so they settle for less which is “let’s overbuff classes and over nerf the others.” But I mean who can blame them right? It’s no wonder why GW2 sales are horrendous lately.

I wish they weren’t so droopy lol. If u put your character on walk, the wings look really nice and that’s, how I feel, it should look like

Tentonhammr.7849:

I have the same problem you do. The problem with that problem is it’s not a problem for a very large percentage of the player base, it’s a good problem to have, and thus not a problem.

Also salvage all your raid stuff for shards. That’s part of the problem solved.

Wait what. You can salvage ascended raid drops into shards? I have 3 VG weps and 2 Sab weps.

As it currently stands, I am swimming in ascended chests. Just from doing Fractals, Raids and Teq, I’ve garnered an unhealthy amount of ascended chests. Half of my bank is Ascended chests and each of my 6 toons have at least 3 chests in their bag. All my toons are geared and then some, 3 asc light armor (DPS, Condi and Tank stats), 3 medium (Dps, Condi and Healing) and 2 heavy (both dps) and then a bunch of different ascended weapons so there is no point in opening them or even using them. I really want to just throw them away but I feel guilty doing that since they are considered rare drops. Something I suggested was making ball of dark energy tradable on TP that way I can salvage the gear from my ascended chests to balls of dark energy and sell them. In the end, it seems I’m just hoarding these chests and I’m finding less and less room in my inventory.

Edit: I have around 26 ascended chests and weapons/armor just sitting in my bank or toon inventory.

Should probably update my list as well

1. Escort
2. Trio
3. Sloth
4. KC
5. VG
6. Sab
7. Xera
8. Gors
9. Matt

Not too different from my original list. I really find Sloth to be enjoyable and the easiest boss in the Raids. Xera is actually a lot harder to PUG than I realized. Idk what it is but whenever I pug my group dies near the 15% mark. Gors is still the biggest pain in the a**. How some teams who have “100+ LI” and “kill exp” on join and we get to Gors but can’t kill him just baffles me.

zinkz.7045:

Yes game needs even more powercreep and needs even more of skilless mechanics like unblockable….

What do u expect? You think it’s fine as is? Because boy you are madly mistaken. This is exactly the problem we have with PvP atm. People need to realize the power creep is not going away thus we need to bring the classes that are being left behind (literally the only class being left behind is thief) and bring them on par with all the other classes. Do you honestly think that giving classes more options to deal with blocks is power creep? If anything that’s dealing with the power creep.

Vagrant.7206:

Question: How many of you guys actually play engineers? Most of the people who I see who complain about them don’t actually play them.

I play Engi although I’m a terrible one. And despite being a terrible Engi, I can stay alive againts any class because the passive and childish defenses this class was given is ridiculous. Sure I can’t kill other players but like I said, I’m a terrible Engi. Now get this, I’m not a very good Engi yet I can sustain with the best of them, imagine just an average Engi. An average Engi is better than a great thief, rev, warr, and Mesmer. That is not ok. So imagine what a great Engi would look like? An unkillable class that can burst with the best of them.

Agreed. I’ve said it many times before and I’ll say it again, backstab needs to be unblockable. It doesn’t make sense thematically how a backstab can be blocks when the opposition doesn’t know it’s coming. Again, BACKSTAB NEEDS TO BE UNBLOCKABLE. Off hand dagger 5 should also be unblockable. Heartseeker when target has above 25% health should be unblockable. Cluster bomb should also be unblockable. The amount of passive blocks in this game is childish and giving more unblockable attacks can help mature PvP.

Mister Fluffkin.7358:

Engi does good sustained damage, but high burst damage? Acid bomb(egun #4) has a duration of 6(!!!) seconds, thats hardly a burst lol. Also you can move while beeing dazed by gyro destructs. You shouldnt wonder to die if you facetank acid bombs to their full durations. :P

Yes u can move but u can’t use any skills, notably the healing skill. Still, the damage is there, in the right situation, Engi has one of the best bursts in the game. For example, when the game is super close like 450-420 and you have 1 node capped. If you camp 1 player on that node, a good Engi will burst down anyone on that node. It’s either you get out but lose the node or you stay on and hope for the best.

So I got the PvP legendary backpack in Season 2 and I feel it could use a design update. For example, how about not make the Wings droopy? It’s kinda depressing looking at those wings when in combat and they droop. Make them fan out, I think that would look awesome.

Oh do I envy good engis. All I see on my screen is evade, block, invuln and glancing when I fight a good one. And the best part, despite having all your defensive skills, you guys also have one of the highest bursts if not the best and most versatile burst in the game with you elixir gun combo field and daze gyro burst. Elixir gun combo field not will not only do upwards to 7-9k dmg but also evade me back. Gyro burst, will not only do 8-10k dmg, but will also daze my opponent for an eternity and on top of all that, I can stay away from my opponent shooting my elixir gun to add to my burst.

I feel Engi, to its full potential, is the best class in PvP. Too much passive defenses and too much damage. Although I guess the trade off is it takes a while to fully master the class.

Bump. It seems some players are still lost when is comes to DPS

The Hypnotoad.1740:

Tempest is still top dog, even after the nerfs. Thief and Guard are probably next on the list.

If you need Condi DPS, Engi is best followed by Necro, and Necro gets better if you can get 2

Incorrect. Thief has the highest DPS in the game againts small/moving targets. Ele is only good againts Gors and KC. Maybe Xera, but people are using DH now solo clear the fragments while bringing thieves.

Here is the dps tier list. https://m.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4v76gq/qt_updated_guides_and_dps_benchmarks_for_all/

So I heard W3 was bugged in that squads of 50 people could go into the Raid lol. Is that rumor true?

As it stand right now, I am swimming in unused ascended weapon and armor chests. I have 9 chests just sitting in my bank and between 3-6 chests on each of my 6 toons. I have no use for them since most of my toons are fully geared in ascended already. I don’t want to throw them away because it would feel wrong to do so. My suggestion is Ball of Dark Energy be made tradable on the TP. It would make sense consider matrices are tradable.

DGraves.3720:

Assassin’s Presence fits better with the spirit themed Revenant. The “presence” referred to is not the revenant. How could the thief hold this in lore?

The thief basically plays the role of Assassin in this game. His/her mere presence should boots his/her allies ferocity by 150.

Why Rev was given Assassins presence and not thief? I mean when I first saw that trait back when HoT came out, I thought that was a buff coming from the new DD line and that Thief got new party support skills. So when I finally mastered the DD line and realized it was not a buff coming from Thief it was saddening.

So, since thief is severely lacking in party support skills, I thought of a way to change signet of agility. Signet of agility is useless. The 25% passive movement speed is useless now with Dash trait. The new Signet of Agility passive would be evade 1 attack every 40s and the active skill would be you and 4 other party members evade all attacks for 3s.

Another idea, signet of agility grants 5 people 180 ferocity and active grants the thief 180 ferocity for 12s

afrocrusade.4253:

these are wrong and rather manipulative

Explain? I tested thief, guardian and warrior and got around the same numbers.

So I’ve been trying to get my hands on the lightward battlestaff for quite some time. Apparently it can be looted from airship cargos. So I decided I’d spend a solid week in VB just opening airship cargos. I must have opened atleast 500 airship cargos and got nothing. It’s on the TP, however it’s selling for 460 gold. I don’t want to spend that much gold on a skin that isn’t even a pre, mystic forge or legendary weapon. So I’m just curious what the drop rate on these are and if Anet has any plans to increase its drop rate.

Just thought I’d put this here

https://m.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4v76gq/qt_updated_guides_and_dps_benchmarks_for_all/

Didn’t find it all too surprising. DD basically has the highest dps when you factor in how forgiving the rotation is and how there is virtually no dps loss when the target moves.

Note I’m ranking this based on a PUG setting. Most of the bosses are faily easy IMO but this my list nonetheless.
1. Escort
2. Trio
- these 2 need no explanation
3. Keep Construct
- if everyone is focused and knows what they’re doing, this boss is a piece of cake
4. Sloth
- if everyone knows how to deal with “shake,” easy peasy
5. VG
- First boss in the raid, when you make a pug, you’ll have a lot of new ppl claiming to be exp which honestly isn’t a big deal. Pretty easy to explain to newcomers
6. Xera
- Xera will probably be lower on my list as more people become familiar with her. Tank has the most important job, how good your tank is will probably determine whether you get the kill or not.
7. Sab
- probably my favorite boss in the raid. Another boss where being focused is key. Not a hard boss to pug at all but since the other 6 are just slightly easier, it gets 7 on my list.
8. Gors
- For some odd reason, Gors is a hard boss to PUG. A lot of issues when puging whether it’s the low dps, slow CC, inability to hold spirits, inability to clear orbs, getting egged, getting ghosted and not picking up gold orbs, etc.
9. Matt
- IMO the hardest boss in the raid by a country mile. No trouble getting him down to 40% but after his abomination phase, the people always seem to panic

Do people really find this to be good gold making, in term of time/gold? The whole event, from beginning to end, takes about 1-2 hours although some ppl just taxi straight into Octovine. The looting itself takes maybe 10-15min. I tested this a couple days ago, there were 5 maps and I looted only the grand and great chests. At the end of it all I got 26 rares and 1 exotic. 26 rares became 19ectos. The exotic I sold for 90s. Got a good amount of t6 gemstones. Some loot bags I’ve yet to open and greens and blues. So in all id say I got about 11-14g. Not bad if you taxied straight into Octovine but defiantly bad if u were on the map from beginning to end.

eduardo.1436:

If I want to feel “special” about myself while making tons of gold my personal advice is do ALL daily fractals and don’t open any until you get 250 fractal encryption, once you get those open everything and bask in your well earned rewards

as for actual “fun” try Rping, find a group, imo I get tons of hours done when I RP with my guildies, its fun.

Basically what this guy said about fractals. What I also like to do is save all the daily fractal chests (adept, master, expert chests) and wait till you have 250 and open them. I’m sitting at 59 atm for each atm. I wanna test my RNG and see how many ascended chests will drop lol.

Lol where my haters at? Keep posting. I genuinely find this hilarious. This thread is pure gold. You guys all seemed to of had your feelings hurt with my post. LMAO.

Lol where my haters at? Keep posting. I genuinely find this hilarious. This thread is pure gold. You guys all seemed to of had their feelings hurt with my post. LMAO.

Tarasicodissa.7084:

Shovel Face.4512:

Lol I just thought this would be a funny story. Guess not. Seems some of you got b*tthurt for no apparent reason. Sigh

No no, this absolutely is a funny story. Hilarious. Just not in the way you thought it would.

Well I’ll be kitten ed. If atleast 1 person leaves this thread laughing, I’ll go to bed knowing I succeeded

fishball.7204:

Shovel Face.4512:

Holy crap I thought u were atleast somewhat intelligent. Pack runes on warr is not bad. Sure it’s not good but it’s not bad. Pack runes on ele are bad. See the difference?

and before you say pack runes are bad on PS

PS arnt your main dmg dealers. They buff the dps of the squad.

lol starting with the personal insults now are we? I guess you’re just as bad in raids as you are in PvP on your useless staff thief lmao.

Pack is completely trash tier on warrior, if you were any good at raids you would know this. Pack is completely trash on ANY CLASS in raids because there is no damage modifier, the #4 proc is only up half the time even if you manage to proc it every time (which involves getting hit; which by extension is bad play) and the #6 stat adds precision which if you’re on a warrior with the signet, spotter, banners and fury would already have 100% aka the precision is useless.

Scholar gives you ferocity for more damage AND 10% damage modifier. All damage is multiplicative so it’s not just 10% base damage, it’s 10% on everything.

I’m kinda glad you got kicked and had such a struggle climbing to legendary in PvP because you severely overestimate the usefulness of Pack runes and from my experience of farming pips off you in PvP you severely over estimate your own skill level.

Yep. I can see I really got to you since you had to look over my posting history. Lawl. Thanks for noticing me tho.

fishball.7204:

People have cleared raids in masterwork gear. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should, especially in pugs where there is heavy dependency on pulling your weight since there isn’t as much cohesion as static/guild groups.

Showing up with wrong runes and saying you’ll leave after 1 wipe is exactly the opposite of what is expected of pugs.

Not pulling my weight would be not dropping banners, refusal to get on ts/discord, bad build, no might stacks etc. I do my part as a PS. Just because I’m not running scholar runes means I’m not pulling my weight? Get out of here

Hypairion.9210:

Shovel Face.4512:

Sabetha.4910:

Shovel Face.4512:

Sabetha.4910:

Astralporing.1957:

…and that’s exactly why many people do not want to even attempt raiding.

If you can’t even put in a bit of effort to have reasonable runes slotted into your gear (which can be exotic for all I care) then yeah, I’m glad they don’t attempt raiding. It’s a team effort, not a solo effort. You’re wasting 9 other people’s time by trying to keep your special snowflake build when it’s not even that special.

Most raiders are reasonable otherwise. My raid guild recruited a guy who pugged with us the other day – he lacked the LI we LFGed for (he had like 5 before he started raiding with us), but he was competent and proved it.

Does that sound like elitist behavior to you?

How are you wasting 9 other people’s time with “special snowflake build” (whatever the hell that is) when me, running my pack runes, can kill VG, Gors, Etc., etc, with a huge amount of time to spare? Like I said before everything I have on my ps is the exact same thing on meta battle except for the runes. In my honest, honest opinion, only toxic elitist would kick someone because they didn’t run a specific rune. Now, I COMPLETELY understand if ur a tempest running pack runes. Yeah, I have absolutely no issue with kicking that Ele.

You’re losing out on bonus ferocity + 10% bonus damage. That’s perhaps minor, but it is still damage you opted to lose out on because you were lazy – and that is why you deserved the kick. Like I alluded to earlier, attitude is important in raids. You fall short of it by choosing to let others pick up your slack.

And be consistent with your lies, won’t you? First you say you haven’t raided with your warrior. Now you say you’ve killed bosses with it. Honestly, your trolling isn’t even halfway decent. Get good.

And yet we still get the job done. Again, you are making a big deal out of nothing.

and what would happen if all other 9 players were like you? do you still think the job would be done in a pug settings?

Like me as in how? I didn’t run a bad build if that’s what your getting at.

Sabetha.4910:

Shovel Face.4512:

Sabetha.4910:

Shovel Face.4512:

Sabetha.4910:

Astralporing.1957:

…and that’s exactly why many people do not want to even attempt raiding.

If you can’t even put in a bit of effort to have reasonable runes slotted into your gear (which can be exotic for all I care) then yeah, I’m glad they don’t attempt raiding. It’s a team effort, not a solo effort. You’re wasting 9 other people’s time by trying to keep your special snowflake build when it’s not even that special.

Most raiders are reasonable otherwise. My raid guild recruited a guy who pugged with us the other day – he lacked the LI we LFGed for (he had like 5 before he started raiding with us), but he was competent and proved it.

Does that sound like elitist behavior to you?

How are you wasting 9 other people’s time with “special snowflake build” (whatever the hell that is) when me, running my pack runes, can kill VG, Gors, Etc., etc, with a huge amount of time to spare? Like I said before everything I have on my ps is the exact same thing on meta battle except for the runes. In my honest, honest opinion, only toxic elitist would kick someone because they didn’t run a specific rune. Now, I COMPLETELY understand if ur a tempest running pack runes. Yeah, I have absolutely no issue with kicking that Ele.

You’re losing out on bonus ferocity + 10% bonus damage. That’s perhaps minor, but it is still damage you opted to lose out on because you were lazy – and that is why you deserved the kick. Like I alluded to earlier, attitude is important in raids. You fall short of it by choosing to let others pick up your slack.

And be consistent with your lies, won’t you? First you say you haven’t raided with your warrior. Now you say you’ve killed bosses with it. Honestly, your trolling isn’t even halfway decent. Get good.

And yet we still get the job done. Again, you are making a big deal out of nothing.

Oh, I’m not the one making a big deal. You’re the one doing it by starting this thread.

And please stop lying about having killed bosses with your warrior. I’m more than certain by now you haven’t, given the inconsistencies in your statements.

Lol I just thought this would be a funny story. Guess not. Seems some of you got b*tthurt for no apparent reason. Sigh

fishball.7204:

Shovel Face.4512:

In my honest, honest opinion, only toxic elitist would kick someone because they didn’t run a specific rune.

Shovel Face.4512:

Now, I COMPLETELY understand if ur a tempest running pack runes. Yeah, I have absolutely no issue with kicking that Ele.

Just when I thought you couldn’t dig yourself a deeper hole you go and prove me wrong.

This thread is comedy gold.

Holy crap I thought u were atleast somewhat intelligent. Pack runes on warr is not bad. Sure it’s not good but it’s not bad. Pack runes on ele are bad. See the difference?

and before you say pack runes are bad on PS

PS arnt your main dmg dealers. They buff the dps of the squad.

Sabetha.4910:

Shovel Face.4512:

Sabetha.4910:

Astralporing.1957:

…and that’s exactly why many people do not want to even attempt raiding.

If you can’t even put in a bit of effort to have reasonable runes slotted into your gear (which can be exotic for all I care) then yeah, I’m glad they don’t attempt raiding. It’s a team effort, not a solo effort. You’re wasting 9 other people’s time by trying to keep your special snowflake build when it’s not even that special.

Most raiders are reasonable otherwise. My raid guild recruited a guy who pugged with us the other day – he lacked the LI we LFGed for (he had like 5 before he started raiding with us), but he was competent and proved it.

Does that sound like elitist behavior to you?

How are you wasting 9 other people’s time with “special snowflake build” (whatever the hell that is) when me, running my pack runes, can kill VG, Gors, Etc., etc, with a huge amount of time to spare? Like I said before everything I have on my ps is the exact same thing on meta battle except for the runes. In my honest, honest opinion, only toxic elitist would kick someone because they didn’t run a specific rune. Now, I COMPLETELY understand if ur a tempest running pack runes. Yeah, I have absolutely no issue with kicking that Ele.

You’re losing out on bonus ferocity + 10% bonus damage. That’s perhaps minor, but it is still damage you opted to lose out on because you were lazy – and that is why you deserved the kick. Like I alluded to earlier, attitude is important in raids. You fall short of it by choosing to let others pick up your slack.

And be consistent with your lies, won’t you? First you say you haven’t raided with your warrior. Now you say you’ve killed bosses with it. Honestly, your trolling isn’t even halfway decent. Get good.

And yet we still get the job done. Again, you are making a big deal out of nothing.

fishball.7204:

If you knew what you were doing you wouldn’t be running pack runes lmao

You’re running a bad build and trying to justify it using bad excuses and then blaming the raid leader for kicking you when you’re being a special little snowflake? LOL

Bad build, what?!?!?! It’s the exact same build on meta battle minus the scholar runes lmao. It’s ascended everything. I picked up warr almost 2 weeks ago and would say I’m more than competent at it. I’ve cleared every boss with my ps no problem with tons of time to spare. I’m a really chill dude man, I even told the raid leader if we couldn’t 1 shot trio is leave

Sabetha.4910:

Shovel Face.4512:

Sabetha.4910:

Shovel Face.4512:

Haha nice to know y’all be keeping tabs on me. And just so we’re all clear here, I had ascended everything, all zerk gear and weapons had sigil of force and air. Only thing was the pack runes lol. Way to make a big deal about runes. Lawl. Like I said, love this GW2 raid community.

>Says he’s experienced in all things raiding
>Asks for warrior rotation
>Doesn’t have reasonably-meta runes slotted

Top kek my friend, top kek. Please, don’t embarrass yourself any further.

Edit: I like how you’re going for Trio despite supposedly being this experienced raider who’s cleared everything. Why would you need to do Trio again? Haven’t you cleared everything already this week?

I call baloney on your claims.

Lol maybe because you need 150 LI to craft the legendary armor? Idk man

About the ps warr thing, I only ever raided with DD and DH. Decided I would try PS since a guildie told me it was faceroll easy to use in raids and everyone is always looking for them.

Shouldn’t someone as ‘experienced’ as you are be clearing it on reset? How amusing.

DD and DH – so you’re not experienced at all with PS warrior, simply gear one, walk into a LFG and demand a spot, get kicked anyway, and then come here and whine about it? Wow.

There goes your claims about being an experienced raider out the window, then. I wonder what else will too.

Lmao K.

Sabetha.4910:

Astralporing.1957:

…and that’s exactly why many people do not want to even attempt raiding.

If you can’t even put in a bit of effort to have reasonable runes slotted into your gear (which can be exotic for all I care) then yeah, I’m glad they don’t attempt raiding. It’s a team effort, not a solo effort. You’re wasting 9 other people’s time by trying to keep your special snowflake build when it’s not even that special.

Most raiders are reasonable otherwise. My raid guild recruited a guy who pugged with us the other day – he lacked the LI we LFGed for (he had like 5 before he started raiding with us), but he was competent and proved it.

Does that sound like elitist behavior to you?

How are you wasting 9 other people’s time with “special snowflake build” (whatever the hell that is) when me, running my pack runes, can kill VG, Gors, Etc., etc, with a huge amount of time to spare? Like I said before everything I have on my ps is the exact same thing on meta battle except for the runes. In my honest, honest opinion, only toxic elitist would kick someone because they didn’t run a specific rune. Now, I COMPLETELY understand if ur a tempest running pack runes. Yeah, I have absolutely no issue with kicking that Ele.

Sabetha.4910:

Shovel Face.4512:

Haha nice to know y’all be keeping tabs on me. And just so we’re all clear here, I had ascended everything, all zerk gear and weapons had sigil of force and air. Only thing was the pack runes lol. Way to make a big deal about runes. Lawl. Like I said, love this GW2 raid community.

>Says he’s experienced in all things raiding
>Asks for warrior rotation
>Doesn’t have reasonably-meta runes slotted

Top kek my friend, top kek. Please, don’t embarrass yourself any further.

Edit: I like how you’re going for Trio despite supposedly being this experienced raider who’s cleared everything. Why would you need to do Trio again? Haven’t you cleared everything already this week?

I call baloney on your claims.

Lol maybe because you need 150 LI to craft the legendary armor? Idk man

About the ps warr thing, I only ever raided with DD and DH. Decided I would try PS since a guildie told me it was faceroll easy to use in raids and everyone is always looking for them.

The Zealous Templar.3861:

Thanks for the laugh, probably would have kicked you too, not for the pack runes but for your condescending attitude.

No you wouldn’t. You would have had a smooth run with me. I’m a chill guy, I’m willing to help new players get into raiding because it would be nice for the raid scene to grow. And as I said, I wasn’t even mad at the raid leader, just amused. I understand he’s the leader but I was simply telling him my case. Hell I even told him if we didn’t 1 shot trio I would have just left.

Haha nice to know y’all be keeping tabs on me. And just so we’re all clear here, I had ascended everything, all zerk gear and weapons had sigil of force and air. Only thing was the pack runes lol. Way to make a big deal about runes. Lawl. Like I said, love this GW2 raid community.

FrostDraco.8306:

Hazell.2065:

Considering it’s a pug raid and I never raided with you before. If I was the raid leader, I will kick you too if I see you’re bringing PS with a kitten pack runes.

If your team is any good, not every member of your squad should need scholar runes. Sounds like the leader wasn’t confident in their DPS.

If your hp drops below 90% you lose a huge chunk of dmg.

But i do have to agree pack runes are almost useless for raiding. Scholar runes are even similar in price now.

It’s not that I don’t want to have scholar runes, I have them for my thief, I just intended to use that asc armor for fracts. Plus I didn’t want to have two asc armor both with scholar runes cuz I wanted something different lol.

Sabetha.4910:

I would have kicked you as well, if I were the raid leader, Envoy Armor and 80 LI or not, for two reasons:

1. Pack runes don’t grant bonuses as useful. It’s not even about damage – I’d take someone with Strength runes. Sure, there’s always food and utility, but why should I bring someone who clearly can’t be bothered to optimize their gear? It’s a sign of laziness. You may have cleared everything, but a good raider is defined by more than just skill, which brings me to my second point.

2. Attitude. Your flaming and ‘showing off’ (if it can even be called that) tells me you’re not a raider worth anyone’s time. Nobody, from the newcomer to raids to the most experienced players in guilds that clear raid bosses on the first try while everyone’s hungover from the previous night should be given a free pass to be belligerent and obnoxious. You’re free to not change your runes. What you are not free to do is turn into a scum-spewing person because someone decided you weren’t what they were looking for, due to your own laziness.

Well done for that raid leader, I would not want to deal with your condescending attitude either.

Lol who are you? Don’t tell me what pack runes do lmao. First of all, if we’re gonna talk attitude, then let me be the first to tell you this raid leader wasn’t the angel from heaven either, because I am sure as hell you weren’t in that squad, in that s**tshow.

I host many PUG for raids and when ppl who arnt exp come in, despite me putting exp on the lfm, I take my time to teach them and help them. So don’t talk to me about “attitude” because you seem like one of those ppl who ask for “120 LI, full asc, multi class” just for a VG kill.

Hazell.2065:

Considering it’s a pug raid and I never raided with you before. If I was the raid leader, I will kick you too if I see you’re bringing PS with a kitten pack runes.

No you wouldn’t. Me personally, and a lot of raiders I know, don’t give a rats a** what runes ur running as long as it’s reasonable. Nothing wrong with Pack or scholar runes for PS. PS is not even a dmg dealer. I can understand if I was an ele or DD not using scholar but a PS? Come on. I just care if your exp and know your class.

And if your truly would kick me, YOU are the reason Raids are not as friendly to new players trying to get into raids. I know a bunch of people and guildies that would love to raid but don’t want to because of people like YOU creating drama and making a big fuss out of nothing.

So I look through the Raid LFG and I see a trio lfm. I greet myself and say I can bring my ps as stated in the lfm. So everything is fine and I’m just chilling thinking well get this in a try or 2 and it’ll be fun. But the squad leader whispers me to ping my gear. Now I’m thinking, “hmm I haven’t had anyone tell me to ping my gear since the first week of VG.” So I ping it and the squad leader is now worked up about my PS running pack runes. He proceeds to tell me that he will only let me in if I switch to scholar runes. And at this point I am shocked and amused at the same time. I tell him that we are doing trio the easiest encounter in the entire raid. I then tell him that PS has the one of the lowest dps anyway. (And this is where I completely lose it and bust out laughing. As a veteran raider who has raided since the first week of raids, I know what I’m doing.) So now this squad leader, who probably has MAYBE 3-4 kills (prob all trio) under his belt and maybe started raiding a month ago begins to give me advice, yes, me a veteran raider, advice that made no sense. He acted as if he was a wise raider, he said “scholar runes are better because of higher dps, it’s useful in all bosses you will encounter.” Now I’m laughing my kitten off and I tell the guy I’ve completed the entire raid and killed every boss. I then proceed to ping my 80+ LI, envoy armor and all the other trophies I’ve earned. And then he kicks me and blocks me. Ahhh gotta love GW2 raid community.

Rashy.4165:

The second collection lets you pick the precursor armour (that’s where the weight will matter). You also get recipes to craft all three weights of the precursor armour for Envoy II, so even that choice doesn’t lock you in.

Technically, the only way you’ll “need” the experimental envoy armour for the legendary armour is balls of dark energy (for cubes of stabilized dark energy), but you can get those by salvaging any armour/weapons. Experimental envoy armour is yours to keep.

Ah ok. And about the recepies, so they’ll give me recepies to make the experimental envoy armor? Totally forgot i wanted the skin for the medium set. kitten , I don’t want 2 medium ascended armor sets #FirstWorldProbs
Edit: Ah nvm. Unlocking the Refined armor also unlocks the experimental armor.

So I plan on getting medium weight legendary armor. My question is, for the first precursor, do we need to pick the weigh that we want to make legendary? So, will the first pre be needed to make the 2nd pre? I ask because I have ascended armor for heavy and medium and none for light. So I was wondering if I could get the light armor from envoy armor box but still be able to craft medium weight legendary armor.

RoseofGilead.8907:

It would also probably be good to post what builds you used to get the numbers (and what builds were used on the classes that didn’t cut the top 3).

I only tested the 3 classes above as they were the only ones I had with ascended gear and weapons. Warrior actually surprised me, it has 2nd worst dps in the game. Mesmer has the worst from what I’ve heard.

I’m curious to know what the dps tier list is. I know Thief and ele are the top 2 dps classes
I’ll list the numbers for the classes I tested
Note that I used realistic buffs and food in my tests

Thief – 29k dps

Warrior 18k Dps

Guardian 24k dps

What about u guys?

Edit: I tested this using the dps golem in the auerdrome. The builds I used were the “meta” raid builds on meta battle. As for buffs, it’s the buffs u would expect to have when in an exp 10 man raid squad. Foods, I used seaweed salad.

Ohoni.6057:

lol why do you keep bring up engis kid.

Let me fix it for ya buddy,
*2-4 Theives. Not only does Thief have better dps and better stealth, the gyro that gives stealth would be destroyed from the boss’ attack. So no, engis WOULD NOT be the most optimal for this fight.

I do main a Thief, and also play an Engi sometimes, I know what they’re capable of. A Thief can stealth the team with Refuge, but it’s not mobile so placement would be key. An Engi can stealth the team with Stealthbot, and it’s mobile and lasts longer, although longer CD. Yeah, the boss could destroy the stealthbot, but only if it was attacking during the “hey, Stealth” phase, and if so, it would probably be damaging the stealthed players too. Also, making the boss re4quire stealth but specifically undermine the other classes that could provide it is a bit too much of a “mono-class” mechanic.

In the meantime though, the Engi is an Engi and the Thief is a Thief, and the Engi can typically do a lot more things in a raid than a Thief.

I think the only content that could actually demand a Thief would not be based on stealth, it would be based on Shortbow 5. Have a thing where you have to climb a zig-zagging ramp-like structure in a limited amount of time, something that would take even the speediest classes far too long, but which could be scaled very quickly using 3-4 shadowsteps in a row, something no other class can manage.

The other method would be something that doesn’t require team stealth, but just requires one member who can reasonably pass in and out of stealth several times in a row, which would be tough or impossible for other classes to manage. But again, we’re getting into mono-class territory, and I’m not a fan of that.

Engi brings nothing. Other classes bring more and then some. Engi stealth, again, wouldn’t work cuz in this make believe boss I’ve created, the gyro will instant destroyed. Also, Thief dps > Engi by a lot.

And also, the real reason for this post was to show how they should make raids where bringing a specific class or 2 is needed. Otherwise we get the same old chrono, rev, ps, Druid and Eles. Not saying it’s not fun, definitely love the 4-4-2 where I can bring my Warrior but sometime I wanna whip out my DD since that’s my main. Basically, have some diversity in raids, it’s good for the soul.

Some other ideas:
Boss that uses ur boons to 1 shot or do heavy damage depending on amount of boons. This would make revs, warr and Eles useless this we can add some diversity. Idk man it’s something different then the raids we’ve been getting, but ppl tend to hate different things, they tend to stick to the status quo.

eduardo.1436:

1. I love engi and I don’t appreciate you dizzing them, it’s like if I dizz on thieves.

2. You pretty much acting condescending to others is precisely what I feared raids would cause, jerks

3. If anet follows your idea then raids will be dead, there shouldn’t and won’t be a specific class needed to complete a raid.

1. I love engis as much as the next guy. I play thief, DH, necro, warr and engi.

2. You’re on the Internet…

3. Raids are already dead. I pug with the same 20-30 ppl from Sab to Xera. I post my lfm or join a group and what do ya know, it’s the same ppl I’ve already played with.