Guild Wars 2

eisberg.2379:

Skan.5301:

lordkrall.7241:

I think he referred to the fact that people still seems to take the Manifest as 100% truth and final, which it never actually was, and also seems to ignore all clarifications and information posted after it but before release.

Again, the manifesto was mainstreamed and the clarifications and information that accompanied it weren’t. The manifesto is still readily found where as the clarifications aren’t. If the clarifications were also there, this wouldn’t be an issue because everyone would be stopped in their tracks after sourcing it. The reason it doesn’t work now is because of the fact that they’re not front and center like everything else. They somewhere in the confines of the Internet. Not even on anything ANet related.

Tell us why this is so, and we’ll end this discussion here. I’ll even switch my stance and turn into a die hard fanboy if the answer is valid.

And “it was there 3 years before release and posted 3 days after the Manifesto” doesn’t work. I wasn’t running search bots that compiled pages for me to read when I got home for hours at a time everytime it hit on keywords related to GW2. It also doesn’t work for someone who saw the manifesto on a website and got redirected to the Gw2 site in 2013. Because again, clarified topics aren’t there.

The stuff in the “MMO Reactions” 3 days later, was also in the information given for the next 2 years after that. If you just saw Manifesto Trailer, but never read anything else that was given in a 2 year period after that, you have no one to blame but yourself. Anet cannot force you to read all the information they have given, that is purely your responsibility, and just going by one 2 minute video and nothing else makes you a irresponsible consumer.

The point remains that everything pretty much that was released on GW2 was emailed to me including the Manifesto. The clarifications were not. So by your logic back then I was supposed to go to Google/Yahoo/Bing/Netscape or whatever and search “GW2 news”?

Yeah, I had better things to do than come home after classes and work than to spend ~5 hours researching this game when instead I was sent this boss kitten video on how the game was going to be.

Keep trying though.

saalle.4623:

there will be always people that support game and those that pretend to support it wile trolling around

Both sides are honest in what they think. It’s not fair to assume the ones who don’t agree with your point of view is trolling.

This isn’t recent. It’s been happening since reset.

saalle.4623:

Skan.5301:

saalle.4623:

Skan.5301:

saalle.4623:

Kleptoman.8473:

not worth to come back, gw2 is boring as hell comparing to gw1

But you are still here on GW2 site….ins’t that ironic ;3

Because some of us still hold on to the hope that the game will improve. Even though there’s disappointment, it’s always good to hold on to a bit of hope. I hope you’ll understand in your fanboyish phase.

Why dont you explain me how does some1 improve game by deflecting people from coming back??How do YOU want game to improve if you tell people to not come back?Do you think you help Anet or this guy by telling him to quit or not come back?If you want good game then help and improve it the way you can…since you are completely useless here as your point is then at least help to improve it as part of community,you can call me fanboy but i play this game cause i like it and i want more people in game.You are troll that seems like “dont like this game” so go back and play what you like and dont try to support other trolls here that deflect people from it.I know i will get warning or negative points from mods cause of this but i dont care…community needs to help not to tell other people how they need to quit.

Forums are for opinion. If someone wants to give his or her opinion, he or she is free to do it. And you don’t know if it’s helping ANet or not. Maybe when people stop playing because they think the game isn’t up to par, they add things that combat that.

Do go back and read what I said in response to the OP. Then come back and tell me what you really think of me.

I think some1 who play this game should NEVER say to other player that he should “not game back” cause that doesn’t help at all….nether supporting those that says that,that is not personal opinion…

If he didn’t like it before, he won’t like it now. It’s still the same game with maybe 5 things added that don’t change much of anything.

Oh, you’d rather I fill the OP with fluff so he starts playing again, yes? No. If a person left the game before because he/she felt bored or plain didn’t like the game, it’s still the same game as it was back then. Nothing’s changed in the way of game play except more grinding was possibly added depending on who reads it and their perspective.

And before the defense squad comes in telling me how they ended culling, added a new TA path, and numerous other things, the game is still the same.

ToPocHi.2480:

Nonetheless, it simply doesn’t sit well with me when the manifesto is continually used as pretext to rile the forums. There’s nothing constructive to draw from it.

Why not when it’s still there in all it’s glory to be seen by everyone?

lordkrall.7241:

I think he referred to the fact that people still seems to take the Manifest as 100% truth and final, which it never actually was, and also seems to ignore all clarifications and information posted after it but before release.

Again, the manifesto was mainstreamed and the clarifications and information that accompanied it weren’t. The manifesto is still readily found where as the clarifications aren’t. If the clarifications were also there, this wouldn’t be an issue because everyone would be stopped in their tracks after sourcing it. The reason it doesn’t work now is because of the fact that they’re not front and center like everything else. They somewhere in the confines of the Internet. Not even on anything ANet related.

Tell us why this is so, and we’ll end this discussion here. I’ll even switch my stance and turn into a die hard fanboy if the answer is valid.

And “it was there 3 years before release and posted 3 days after the Manifesto” doesn’t work. I wasn’t running search bots that compiled pages for me to read when I got home for hours at a time everytime it hit on keywords related to GW2. It also doesn’t work for someone who saw the manifesto on a website and got redirected to the Gw2 site in 2013. Because again, clarified topics aren’t there.

Dark Catalyst.1028:

Wait, what? Why would they release a manifesto for public consumption that is not crystal clear and requires “interpretation?”

What was stated was the selling point for the entire game for me.

According to some people here, it was easy to understand everything that was being talked about in the Manifesto. And also according to them, everyone followed GW2 like a piranha prior to release and knew everything and everything about the game.

Amusing right?

Crawford.4135:

I think the new Ascended gear is just horrible. I don’t know what they were thinking when they came up with it. The Ascended weapons are so dull so I expected the gear would be worse. I wasn’t wrong.

You’d think for something you have to actually work hard for would have something creative, but I was wrong there.

It could be like that on purpose.

Here’s the breakdown:

Make kittenty looking weapons and armours that are BiS, meaning people would want them for various reasons. Before and during the release of weapons and armours, put Transmutation Crystals on sale so people will buy them after previewing the sets. +sales

We already saw this happen for the weapons. Watch it happen when the armours come in as well.

Oh. I get it now. Yes, your mage and ragner are very hard to see, for obvious reasons.

Way less than the allocated threshold for amusement.

I think the class icons are pretty good over the whole class name. How can you not differentiate between a paw for ranger and a flame for elementalist?

I would have agreed if you had of said it’s hard to differentiate between ele and engineer. Sometimes I have to look twice to figure out which is which on those.

Class names wouldn’t really work out either. Maybe different colours if it’s really that bad, but, I personally don’t think it’s that big of an issue.

I’d personally prefer white magic.

OP, log into the game and give it an hour or so to see if you like it. If not, then you have your answer. If you do like it, find something that you enjoy doing and try that, if you find you get bored, do something else.

The forums goers are split and you’ll most likely not find an answer. There are those who will say it’s great when it’s not and those who will say it’s terrible when it’s not.

You’re not subbing to play, so hop on and give it a test run. Maybe you like Halloween and will like this update. Like an algebra problem, it’s all filled with variables.

Short and simple: Yes. It was added pretty recently.

I want to say mid August, but, I could be wrong. Just more incentives for people to buy the pricier versions of the game.

Edit: 22 August 2013 is when it was added.

Add anything more challenging than revamped Teq in the game and no one but 10 people will touch it after the meta achievements are done with.

The fix would be to add difficult content, but make the rewards equal out to the difficulty. A guaranteed rare, 2 blues, 2 greens, and t5 mats won’t cut it.

Vayne.8563:

You don’t get to pick and choose grind. If there’s grind there’s grind. Denying it doesn’t change the fact that it existed.

I commend you for saying this. Now, as you were the person to say this, I beseech you to take you advice and stop denying that there is indeed a grind in GW2 and we can get be done with this topic.

On the topic of GW dungeons, I believe one didn’t give Deld points, but GW also had double weekends that made that grind less sufferable and it wasn’t based on RNG.

Lonesamurai.4852:

Ok, I’m sat in a hotel in San Francisco this week, so I’m away from my gaming pc and needed something to do, so I resubbed to WoW and as the guy above says, the “Grind” in GW2 is actually worse than WoW now
In one evening I took my 85 warrior to 90, geared for LFR through doing the new dungeons, then geared for raiding over a few nights (not completed, but already got two armour piece and new weapon) with the LFR
When GW2 is actually HARDER to get the highest level gear than games like WoW, there is a massive shift and not a good one

Now we all know, FOR A FACT, that the manifesto was out the window early on (although it would have been nice to know that on day one of release rather than after the games 1st b’day), but GW2 does have incredible grind

Go through Timeless Isle, you’ll have that warrior geared pretty quick for LFR SoO. I’d say about 2 – 3 hours.

Mackdose.6504:

No, I’m leveling alts most of the time. I only have one 80, which I play WvW pretty much exclusively..

I understand exactly how MMOs work, and thus far, there is no sign of environmental numerical power creep. As the game is now, ascended is the power plateau. The mobs aren’t exponentially getting stronger with every patch, there’s no statistical gear check (once again, outside of fractals) that mandates that I get BiS as fast as possible.

Everyone needs to start looking at GW2 mechanics in context of GW2, and not in the context of every other themepark MMO.

This game uses a completely different business model, design philosophy, and combat system than what we were fed for the past 10 years. There’s no in-game reason to get ascended gear besides the standard stat increase from moving up a rarity, and getting an infusion slot if you play fractals.

If you feel like you need the best in slot items or you’ll “fall behind” the gear curve, you’re thinking in terms that the game isn’t asking of you.

lol GW2 made a U turn when it was [————————————————————————————————————————————————————] that far away from different from themepark/traditional MMOs. It’s now on the same road as the rest of them. Keep trying though. If it makes you feel better in thinking it’s different, then that’s fine. Disillusion yourself all you want.

Mackdose.6504:

For me, they’ve been completely optional.

I do fine in WvW, I don’t play fractals, and I refuse to blame the game for elitist player mentality.

So, you farm the nodes in WvW, and stand in LA the rest of the time you’re on the game?

Alright, it’s optional for you. Good job. You won the argument.

To anyone else who understands how MMO’s work, it won’t be optional for too long unless you run with a select group of friends who adhere to whatever. However, that might change down the road as well, since doing things faster is always a plus.

Mackdose.6504:

Skan.5301:

Mackdose.6504:

Dark Catalyst.1028:

Cap WvW gear at exotic then since ascended gear offers a supposedly trivial increase to overall power and it “doesn’t really matter”. You can still enjoy everything WvW has to offer with exotic gear.

This would invalidate all the work you’ve put in to attain the gear.

But I see you’re trying to make the “if it doesn’t matter then why have it all?” point that has been trotted out since day one.

WvW isn’t balanced around player statistics. Positioning, timing, build, numbers (as in player-count), and siege matter much more than any given player’s attribute points.

There’s more power disparity between scaled-up players and a level 80 in rares than the difference between Exotic and Ascended.

The zergs of WvW prove otherwise. If you have a big enough zerg, you can pretty much take on anything in WvW. Such as the WvW champ farms and karma trains. It’s all about which side has the team that’s better geared. The same as every other MMO’s PvP scene aside from GW.

Ascended just reinforces it. That percentage will matter.

No. It’s which side has more numbers and is better at splitting the enemy zerg using control abilities. Gear has very little bearing on on the outcome of any given fight due to the active nature of the combat.

I beat ascended-armed characters in my exotic set. My helm is rare and I don’t have runes in my gear either. Skill/build > Gear

It’s all about numbers. This whole game is about numbers all the way from loot distribution to who wins WvW. Gear has quite a large bearing, actually. Do more damage, thin the numbers more, and win the fight.

We’re not talking current Ascended. We’re talking full geared in Ascended. It’s trivial right now, the weapon provides ~2 or so percent added stats. The full armour/weapon set will provide ~10%.

eisberg.2379:

Wasn’t problem when exoctic was the highest. Didn’t see people state

Really? Then have fun running up against an organized group decked out in exotic gear (with exotic armor) and their capability to deal approximately 20% more damage. And then come back and tell me it’s not really balanced around player statistics.

The reason is because you can readily get Exotic gear through various means. Ascended isn’t. inb4 the “casuals” with mats to make 9 Ascended pieces come in to tell me how it isn’t.

Mackdose.6504:

Dark Catalyst.1028:

Cap WvW gear at exotic then since ascended gear offers a supposedly trivial increase to overall power and it “doesn’t really matter”. You can still enjoy everything WvW has to offer with exotic gear.

This would invalidate all the work you’ve put in to attain the gear.

But I see you’re trying to make the “if it doesn’t matter then why have it all?” point that has been trotted out since day one.

WvW isn’t balanced around player statistics. Positioning, timing, build, numbers (as in player-count), and siege matter much more than any given player’s attribute points.

There’s more power disparity between scaled-up players and a level 80 in rares than the difference between Exotic and Ascended.

The zergs of WvW prove otherwise. If you have a big enough zerg, you can pretty much take on anything in WvW. Such as the WvW champ farms and karma trains. It’s all about which side has the team that’s better geared. The same as every other MMO’s PvP scene aside from GW.

Ascended just reinforces it. That percentage will matter.

eisberg.2379:

My level 35 have killed several people with ascended and exotic gear, in 1vs1 situations.

Whoa, whoa, whoa…

You’re saying that your level 35, in FINE armour, has beaten level 80’s with Exotic and/or Ascended gear?

Am I supposed to laugh or something?

On topic:

What’s this skill you’re talking about? Having the bigger zerg and facerolling the bar?

eisberg.2379:

a t s e.9614:

Dude grinding skills …… do you really call that a grind . It’s like saying if arenanet decide to give all classes all weapons people would start to grind for those new weapons . It’s not a forced grind but adding a new tier of gear is FORCING people to grind in order to not get destroyed in pvp . You can fight with the basic prophecies skills in gw1 . The only problem is shadowstep which is OP in pvp .

You do not get destroyed in WvWvW for not having ascended. If my level 35 character in Fine quality gear is able to contribute so much to WvWvW, then a level 80 in exotics can do even better. As far as I can tell the time it takes to grind get a reputation skill in Guild Wars 1 is about the same as getting 1 ascended item in Guild Wars 2.

Actually, you will get destroyed in WvW for not having Ascended gear if you go up against someone that does have it. That 6 – 10% stat increase that’s been calculated can be noticed in a PvP situation, and imagine a team of 10 level 80’s, one in full Ascended vs the other in exotics. Ascended will win because of more stats.

A level 35 in fine gear in WvW is contributing to more points when the opposing team has Bloodlust. Nothing more if he’s in the zerg. If he’s scouting, then he’s contributing a bit more, but we’re not talking about that here.

eisberg.2379:

Obed.7629:

I’ve been away from my rig for a week, finally got back and logged in, and WOW. WTF happened???

Have the graphics gotten that much better in the recent releases, or have I just forgotten how totally awesome GW2 is???

What a nice surprise.

I don’t think the graphics have gotten better, at least I haven’t noticed, been playing at highest quality though. But what I have noticed is performance have been increasing, huge zergs at the big events like Shadow Behemoth have shown a significant increase in performance.

Then you go into WvW and experience it again. Significantly increased alright.

On topic:

You’ve just forgotten.

Vayne.8563:

I call bullkitten on the nostalgia line. Nostalgia is something you remember fondly, not something you bring up to poke holes in it. Nostalgia is something positive, not something negative.

I fondly remember what the game was like before November 15th, 2012. That’s nostalgia. I fondly remember WoW during the BC era. That’s nostalgia. I fondly remember my HC raid Guild <RF> in EQ.

It’s not about poking holes into anything. Like I’ve said numerous times which you seem to skip over, why are those blog post clarifying what was said in the Manifesto not on the website alongside the video?

And again, 17 – 18 of the videos are showcases. You seem to not be reading that as well.

The only people who do so are people who have an ax to grind…and everyone else knows it.

I don’t have an axe* to grind with ANet. In fact, I’ve been a loyal supporter of ANet/NCSoft since I started playing Guild Wars since April of 2005. I’m not sure who everyone else is, but, there are many here who fall into the same category.

As for the teaser part, there are ~2 videos that are called teasers. Those are actually teasers. The manifesto actually talks about the game, not just a cinematic. Teasers are usually cinematics that show an aspect of the game, it doesn’t have developer commentary.

Keep trying. You’re falling short.

eisberg.2379:

Skan.5301:

Vayne.8563:

the manifesto itself, which is only 1 video out of 24.

18 of the 24 videos are showcases.

There is a video in there that tells you specifically about the personal story and another video in there that specifically tells you about dynamic events. There are other videos that tell you about everything

It’s telling me how it’s different on GW2 from traditional MMOs, not actually telling me much aside from instilling in me that GW2 is different.

So what you’re saying is that anything that MIGHT be misintepreted from three years ago, in a single video should have it’s own page of corrections just in case someone might misunderstand it, because my understanding of some of those lines, even without the clarification was completely different.

No. I’m saying a link to where I can see it on the official GW2 website should be there. I shouldn’t have to go to some random website that saved it on their server from a post way back when. Someone at ANet wrote it, I don’t see why it’s on deleted blogs and not situated where I can see it without a Google search on the topic.

saying that this is something Anet has to rectify is just plain silly.

Why? Why is it silly to say ANet should go back and fix the Manifesto to reflect what they really meant? Because of time? Because of all the content that’s being worked on? They can spend hours doing live feeds, but can’t fix a video? It’s still their main marketing point. Do you see the almost daily threads on here about this topic? People are still viewing it.

Those who continually bring up the manifesto are living in the past, and any MMO player will tell you that’s not a good place to be.

It’s called nostalgia.

If the game had met your expectation in other ways, would you still be bringing up the manifesto? Would you even care about it?

I would. But I don’t base most of my comments off of the Manifesto. And so would others. Because there’s more that’s been reverted that’s outside of it. And before you tell me MMOs change and evolve and all that, I agree with you, that they do. But, they shouldn’t go in the total opposite direction over what was said. A small turn is alright, but going all the way around is not.

Maybe you understood everything that was said in the Manifesto in all your wide worldy wisdom. Others didn’t. In fact, I’d be willing to bet that maybe 20 people total understood what was actually being said in the whole video. Truth or not, the other 98% of the game’s population didn’t..

98% of the players didn’t even see the manifesto video in the first place /rolleyes

It took a long time to edit that comment, however, I fixed it to reflect what I was trying to say. 20 players equaling to 2% of the total game’s population would make the game have a fairly low playerbase.

Thanks for using cognitive thinking.

Quarktastic.1027:

I can’t help but feel like GW2 was made in Korea.

Almost true. The parent company is Korean.

Vayne.8563:

the manifesto itself, which is only 1 video out of 24.

18 of the 24 videos are showcases.

There is a video in there that tells you specifically about the personal story and another video in there that specifically tells you about dynamic events. There are other videos that tell you about everything

It’s telling me how it’s different on GW2 from traditional MMOs, not actually telling me much aside from instilling in me that GW2 is different.

So what you’re saying is that anything that MIGHT be misintepreted from three years ago, in a single video should have it’s own page of corrections just in case someone might misunderstand it, because my understanding of some of those lines, even without the clarification was completely different.

No. I’m saying a link to where I can see it on the official GW2 website should be there. I shouldn’t have to go to some random website that saved it on their server from a post way back when. Someone at ANet wrote it, I don’t see why it’s on deleted blogs and not situated where I can see it without a Google search on the topic.

saying that this is something Anet has to rectify is just plain silly.

Why? Why is it silly to say ANet should go back and fix the Manifesto to reflect what they really meant? Because of time? Because of all the content that’s being worked on? They can spend hours doing live feeds, but can’t fix a video? It’s still their main marketing point. Do you see the almost daily threads on here about this topic? People are still viewing it.

Those who continually bring up the manifesto are living in the past, and any MMO player will tell you that’s not a good place to be.

It’s called nostalgia.

If the game had met your expectation in other ways, would you still be bringing up the manifesto? Would you even care about it?

I would. But I don’t base most of my comments off of the Manifesto. And so would others. Because there’s more that’s been reverted that’s outside of it. And before you tell me MMOs change and evolve and all that, I agree with you, that they do. But, they shouldn’t go in the total opposite direction over what was said. A small turn is alright, but going all the way around is not.

Maybe you understood everything that was said in the Manifesto in all your wide worldy wisdom. Others didn’t. In fact, I’d be willing to bet that maybe 20 people total understood what was actually being said in the whole video. Truth or not, the other 98% of the game’s population that saw it didn’t.

Vayne.8563:

Skan.5301:

Vayne.8563:

Skan.5301:

lol because clarified or not, all the stuff they talked about after the manifesto is hidden deep within the confines of the Internet like it’s a huge secret. Marketing ploys. Make it look good on the outside, once you hit it like a ram, you’ll find out it’s just air.

No the clarifications were front and center and talked about for over a year, before the short memory of the public buried it. When I first brought it up people accused me of lying about it, until someone was kind enough to find it for me.

But more to the point, every aspect of the manifesto was questioned endlessly by the fan base, and the information about it was anything but hidden. You’d have had to have been living in a paper bag to have not seen the hundreds of conversations and clarifications and discussions about the manifesto. Every forum had them. Articles and magazines talked about it. Ama’s on redit has questions about them. Convention panels and videos talked about them.

This stuff was SO clarified it beggar’s belief that anyone could claim in good faith this information was hidden.

It may be harder to find at this time, because this is the internet. Old information is usually supplanted pretty fast by new information. The game HAS changed, and the changes are documents and finding conversations about three year old videos is harder now than it was two, three years ago.

Which is probably why moving on makes more sense than focusing on it. There was no secret.

The Manifesto is still on the main website in all it’s glory. Where are the clarification topics that are supposed to accompany it? On other websites as of now.

Just because some people bookmarked the blog post to run to everytime they search “manifesto” on the forums for a defence mechanism doesn’t mean everyone else has it bookmarked as well.

And no, not everyone followed everything related to GW2 like a bloodhound prior to release as some people apparently did. For some, it’s the manifesto that sticks to memory. Why? Because that was the main marketing of the whole game. Not the blog post. Keep going.

Right, so go to the Guild Wars 2 main page and read the stuff about personal story and dynamic events that exist to this day. Instead of a video that is five minutes long, get some depth into your understanding. It’s a five minute video with two minutes of speech. How could anyone encapsulate an entire game in that time? What reasonable consumer would expect that to be all the information they needed. It was a teaser to get people to look more deeply and the more deeply doesn’t need a clarification because the game is out, videos are out, all the info on the website is there.

The manifesto IS still on the website. It’s one of 24 videos, and it’s the last of them. Most people would probably realize that that makes it the oldest (though maybe not. Some people may not have figured that out that newer videos are up top and older videos are at the bottom).

MMOs, unlike any other type of game change constantly. If they’re not changing they’ve been abandoned.

I’ve never seen any other fan group that goes to three year old videos and tries to make an issue of it, while ignoring some of the other 23 videos sitting around it.

Here are all the videos —> GW2 Videos. Tell me which one clarifies things and which ones aren’t just showing me how this game is different from other MMOs.

And the ones at the top are all eye candy for events.

I just watched the one on Dynamic Events. No where in there is it saying this is how it’s done or talking about something from the manifesto other than “in traditional MMOs, this happens, in GW2, this happens”.

Vayne.8563:

Skan.5301:

lol because clarified or not, all the stuff they talked about after the manifesto is hidden deep within the confines of the Internet like it’s a huge secret. Marketing ploys. Make it look good on the outside, once you hit it like a ram, you’ll find out it’s just air.

No the clarifications were front and center and talked about for over a year, before the short memory of the public buried it. When I first brought it up people accused me of lying about it, until someone was kind enough to find it for me.

But more to the point, every aspect of the manifesto was questioned endlessly by the fan base, and the information about it was anything but hidden. You’d have had to have been living in a paper bag to have not seen the hundreds of conversations and clarifications and discussions about the manifesto. Every forum had them. Articles and magazines talked about it. Ama’s on redit has questions about them. Convention panels and videos talked about them.

This stuff was SO clarified it beggar’s belief that anyone could claim in good faith this information was hidden.

It may be harder to find at this time, because this is the internet. Old information is usually supplanted pretty fast by new information. The game HAS changed, and the changes are documents and finding conversations about three year old videos is harder now than it was two, three years ago.

Which is probably why moving on makes more sense than focusing on it. There was no secret.

The Manifesto is still on the main website in all it’s glory. Where are the clarification topics that are supposed to accompany it? On other websites as of now.

Just because some people bookmarked the blog post to run to everytime they search “manifesto” on the forums for a defence mechanism doesn’t mean everyone else has it bookmarked as well.

And no, not everyone followed everything related to GW2 like a bloodhound prior to release as some people apparently did. For some, it’s the manifesto that sticks to memory. Why? Because that was the main marketing of the whole game. Not the blog post. Keep going.

lol because clarified or not, all the stuff they talked about after the manifesto is hidden deep within the confines of the Internet like it’s a huge secret. Marketing ploys. Make it look good on the outside, once you hit it like a ram, you’ll find out it’s just air.

Zinwrath.2049:

Strangely i’m noticing a lot of my feedback (sometimes professionally delivered, sometimes spiteful and angry) is being acknowledged.. and change is being addressed to issues I and many others have wrote in the past.

I’m curious as to what’s been address that you’ve said specifically about sPvP that’s been acknowledged.

Suddenflame.2601:

not the grindy Anet has advertised.

Grind is grind in the end. It doesn’t matter if it’s for BiS or cosmetics or a mini or whatever else.

Conncept.7638:

Skan.5301:

These? —> Game Update Notes – October 15, 2013

Reading OP

He’s talking about undocumented changes. Most patches have some, these last had a lot.

Ah yes. I guess I saw undocumented and read documented somehow. Makes sense now. My folly.

These? —> Game Update Notes – October 15, 2013

StriderShinryu.6923:

Skan.5301:

Most of the outrage stems from 13 months of no responses from the company. If this is just a show, these forums will become a battleground.

I wouldn’t say no responses, just few responses and most of those being “we see you’re talking about it” or “we haven’t decided how to handle that yet.” It gives, to me at least, the feeling like the game has been moving forward without any sort of actual plan. Or, perhaps, that there is a plan but that it’s not being made public simply for fear of backlash and loss of players (which, if you really believe in your plan in the first place, should be something you’re willing to risk).

Personally, I’m just hoping to see what ANet really does have in the cards with this more open communication. I’m hoping for less a battleground and more of a harmonious existence because those who aren’t happy with the plan ANet lays out can move on to other games knowing full well that GW2 is not and won’t be for them. That’s not a bad thing, for either the players who stay or the ones who leave for good.

As for the topics that have been brought up so far, I’m generally happy with them. The only one I’ve seen that really doesn’t impact me much at all is the desire for more Guild options and functionality, but I can understand why that’s so important to the people that it’s important to.

They’ve been mostly “soon”, “we’re working on it”, and “nothing’s off the table”. For pretty much everything that’s the answer that’s given. It gets old after 13 months.

I’m not so sure. I’m skeptical about all of it. I still feel it’s just here to quell the masses that are speaking up. You know when a forum’s filled with numerous threads on the same topic, there might very well be something wrong with it. Not saying there is, but there’s a good chance of there being one. And that doesn’t look good for new players who just purchased the game and look through.

It might be legit, in which case I’d be one of the happier people that finally something’s happening that we can talk about.

It might all be a clever plan to filter out all the people on the forums who are part of the negative criticism squad and via obscure forum rules and word play are removed one by one to have the forums make the game look like a lush oasis on the top when in fact it’s just a induced mirage with nothing but grains of sand that do you no good after you jump head first into it.

Sarrs.4831:

Skan.5301:

If this is just a show, these forums will become a battleground.

A graveyard, more likely, IMO.

Thinking about it a bit more, it would be all rainbows and unicorns and fluffy clouds with smiles on them because the only people left would be the guys who post threads praising the game about everything in pure fanboyish elation.

JBleezz.2697:

MrDmajor.7084:

I really only log-in and start playing heavily again when improvements to skills and things of that nature are introduced.

I missed a week or 2 of GW2 and missed a whole chunk of missions I thought were still available to do for Tequatl Rising.

This temporary content business is complete utter kitten and the fact that they have doubled down on the concept such a blatant disrespect to the player base. I don’t understand the decision making. I understand the need for temporary things to drive traffic but to make it so core to the game is foolish. I HATE IT.

Add Temporary Content to the list of “WTF Are You Doing ANET?” list.

Ok but haven’t the past few updates been all about adding permanent content, except halloween of course, I would hardly call that doubling down. And all the Teq is still there. Unless of course your mad that you missed a handful of achievement points and a backskin.

Teq is done rarely now outside of the Guilds made specifically to take down Teq and in the past 2 days, I haven’t seen any LFGs for the revamped TA path. People won’t do them because even though they’re permanent now, the rewards are still kitten.

Tiger.7506:

darkace.8925:

Ashabhi.1365:

It give us something new to do

My teachers in grade school used to give me something to do, too. It was called “busy work”. I never really found it all that enjoyable.

Ashabhi.1365:

and goes away before we get bored with it.

It doesn’t go away, it changes form. Clicking F to break dragon pinatas isn’t all that different than clicking F to burn dragon effigies, which isn’t all that different from clicking F to carve pumpkins, which isn’t all that different from clicking F to build snowmen, which isn’t all that different from clicking F to gather kites, which isn’t all that different from clicking F to… I don’t know about you, but I’m bored the instant I read “do X Y number of times” in an Achievement List.

Ashabhi.1365:

Why is it everyone complains about the LS, but we don’t hear a lot of whining about the “holiday” events? they’re temporary too, and they change every year. Yes, we will have a visit from Mad King Thorn again, but it won’t be THIS YEAR’s Mad King Thorn. Wintersday will be back too, but it won’t be like last year either.

Because the holiday events are being given to us in lieu of actual expansion-level content. Mad King Thorn has not supplanted the Elder Dragons…Scarlet has. Kralk is just waiting for us to take the fight to him in the Crystal Desert, but we’re too busy chasing Aetherblade Pirates around the same zones we all explored a year ago.

sab, tequatl, new dgs, its not click F .

SAB requires hitting space a million times. Draw an F on your spacebar the next time it’s up and you’ll see it’s not all that different.

Teq and how many new dungeons, 2 revamps, and one real dungeon from Frost and Fire? 4 things that don’t require hitting F 200 times during the sequence.

I have to get those achievement points. Thus I have to do everything in the span of 2 weeks. Miss out on those APs and it’s the end of the world.

And also I have to throw money at the screen to get all the novelty items in the gem shop for the week. Who knows if I’ll ever see them again or use them but I still have to do it.

As I’ve said before, if they follow through with this, it will calm the forumers down a good bit. Most of the outrage stems from 13 months of no responses from the company. If this is just a show, these forums will become a battleground.

Jrunyon.3012:

Skan.5301:

Oh yeah. I meant to add on a server that wasn’t running the Queensdale Champ farm. Outliers. Oh well. Guess you proved me wrong.

It’s not a problem with the game that people would rather run in a circle then to run around the zone fighting skales, that’s a people problem. That said, I am always running around Queensdale fighting things and helping new players since it’s my favorite zone in the game.

I never said it was a problem with the game. I was simply pointing out something I forgot to mention. No need pull a “sword and board” move.

That being said, OP, if you just started, you could reroll on a populated server by deleteing all your characters like Day said. Or you could just guest over to populated servers and try that. Whichever you choose would work. Since you’ve played your characters, you know how long it takes to level them and such so you can base a decision off of that if you like leveling.

The most populated servers are Jade Quarry, Blackgate, and Tarnished Coast. If you’re into RP, Tarnished Coast is where you should go. Jade Quarry and Blackgate are good PvE/PvP servers, Jade Quarry holding the upper hand for WvW, and thus PvE bonuses, if that’s what you like.

Jrunyon.3012:

Skan.5301:

DusK.3849:

I honestly find it difficult to believe you’re a “twelve year MMO vet” when you’re saying stuff like “I rarely see anyone in the zones I am adventuring in”, as if that same problem doesn’t exist with just about every MMORPG out there.

He said he just started. Even on other MMOs, there are people who are working on alts and in the starter zones. Humans are popular on GW2, right? On another game I cannot mention due to previous infractions, I always saw people in the Human starter area.

Last time I checked, Queensdale on my server had a massive population almost all the time doing champion farming. This is coming from one of the most underpopulated servers in the game btw.

Oh yeah. I meant to add on a server that wasn’t running the Queensdale Champ farm. Outliers. Oh well. Guess you proved me wrong.

For most, it’s down to

1. RNG,
2. The biweekly updates, and
3. Ascended gear.

We just have to wait and see what comes out of this. I’m going to remain neutral because of previous track records.

DusK.3849:

I honestly find it difficult to believe you’re a “twelve year MMO vet” when you’re saying stuff like “I rarely see anyone in the zones I am adventuring in”, as if that same problem doesn’t exist with just about every MMORPG out there.

He said he just started. Even on other MMOs, there are people who are working on alts and in the starter zones. Humans are popular on GW2, right? On another game I cannot mention due to previous infractions, I always saw people in the Human starter area.

There is none on this game aside from having it as an excuse for time – gated material and gem shop sales.

Scrambles.2604:

Crazylegsmurphy.6430:

Scrambles.2604:

it’s not semantics. This is why everyone that tried to sell their WoW account had to put a disclaimer saying that “i am only selling the time played on this account.”

I’m not selling anything. I have the right to give away any items I procure in game. If I choose to give those items to my friends in the event of account termination, that is my right to do so.

Any argument beyond that has no relevance here. Who actually “owns” the pixels is irrelevant. For all intents and purposes, they are considered “mine” within the context of the game.

but within the context of reality and legal ownership, they belong to Anet.

No one’s talking legalities and stuff here. Crazy wants to save his hard work in case something goes wrong and he cannot access his account and thus has to buy a second one. No one here really cares who owns the pixels that make up the game. Crazy worked for his items, he wants to put them somewhere where he can withdraw them again on another account, as a worst case scenario.

Teaching what? The integrity of words that were passed and then reverted as deemed fit? Good business practices. That’s it.

How did you miss the dialogue asking if you wanted to pay the gems and if you were sure you wanted to proceed? Even when you’re tired, it’s not hard to see the bright blue gem icon.

AntiGw.9367:

This topic is precisely what they meant by “cleverly disguised” personal attacks.

I fail to see how this is cleverly disguised in any way.

Crazy’s worried about all the stuff he’s got on his accounts in case he ever gets banned, which could or could not happen. To save himself from doing all the work required to get materials on a new account, he’s asking for ways to store them in a place where he could retrieve them on a new account, saving him a bit of work on said new account.

It’s a good thing you aren’t a moderator.

It’s kind of disheartening when you read through and realize how many people don’t get what’s going on.

Then you look back and realize why nothing’s progressed on the forums or on the game and it all ties in very nicely.