That WoW video was terribly boring lmao
All you do is stand there , spam your rotation and watch for the mechanic.
It didn’t even look fun. At least the combat system in gw2 is much better and fluid than that nonsense in the WoW video. Plus half your screen is clutter with hideous UI full of junk. I hope to god the raids we are getting are neither from your videos.
Since legendary armor is cosmetic only and offers no stat advantage over ascended, there is no issue if non raiders cannot get it.
This is pretty much how I feel about it. The only difference between this and existing legendaries is that it might require something needing a party. And that’s assuming these items won’t be made available in pve, like the current dungeon tokens are.
I would certainly prefer that they give the reward track option. It does open up another (likely less efficient) option for those with no interest/time for larger-party gameplay. But the fact that’s a primarily cosmetic thing doesn’t make that an important thing to add.
Legendaries aren’t just skin swapping, you also usually get infinite stat swaps on them, it’s a nice QOL bonus
It sure is, which is why it deserves to be locked behind something thats challenging and takes time and dedication. Not “spam 1 in silverwastes and go buy it”
While some of us will enjoy raids, not everyone will. Some like PvP. Some like WvW. Some like open world.
GW2 has always been about playing the game modes you most enjoy without having to worry about the reward. It’s about the journey, not the destination. That doesnt need to change.
And, please, remember, that everyone is entitled to their opinion. Don’t belittle other people just because they enjoy a different aspect of the game than you do.
Not belittling, i’m stating a fact.
You don’t need legendary armor to play this game. Its locked behind certain content
Like frac skins behind fracs, PvP legend back in PvP. WvW tickets for their skins. Things have different rewards depending on the content. That’s how it has been and will continue to be
Since legendary armor is cosmetic only and offers no stat advantage over ascended, there is no issue if non raiders cannot get it.
This is pretty much how I feel about it. The only difference between this and existing legendaries is that it might require something needing a party. And that’s assuming these items won’t be made available in pve, like the current dungeon tokens are.
I would certainly prefer that they give the reward track option. It does open up another (likely less efficient) option for those with no interest/time for larger-party gameplay. But the fact that’s a primarily cosmetic thing doesn’t make that an important thing to add.
Legendaries aren’t just skin swapping, you also usually get infinite stat swaps on them, it’s a nice QOL bonus
It sure is, which is why it deserves to be locked behind something thats challenging and takes time and dedication. Not “spam 1 in silverwastes and go buy it”
But in the grand scheme of things. Its just QOL bonus.
Just because you don’t have the legendary armor doesn’t mean you can’t play this game….
yea this thread will be deleted sooner or later just like the last one ohoni started
There’s no point in arguing.
Raids are coming, Exclusive rewards tied into them.
If you don’t like it, too bad. Its here and anet decided thats the best way to implement it. I agree with them. So do most others. Of course there will be ppl who don’t like it. Too bad.
If you honestly expect anet (or any MMORPG company) to 100% cater towards your need , than you are going to be disappointed.
VERY disappointed in this.
I play GW2 as its different from other games, the hassle of organised group content is not there, and there is a focus on open world content.
Raids in my opinion are a mistake, and are sacrificing the direction GW2 was supposed to go….
As more and more time is spend on instanced content, my interest wanes.
VERY disappointed it took 3 years to finally get something worth instanced.
Guess what buddy, theres plenty of open world stuff coming in the xpac…theres already PLENTY of open world stuff as well (dtop/sw/teq/worldbosses, etc etc)
Stop complaining. Anet is trying to add a bit of everything to please everyone. If you don’t like it, too bad.
Why should Arenanet keep their game exclusively casual when they can have content for both the casual and the hardcore raiders?
They’re free to do this, so long as it does not come at the cost of raid-exclusive rewards. If they can attract raiders to the game then that’s great. If they can only do this by restricting rewards away from not raiders, then it’s totally not worth it. In either case, I don’t see GW2 raids attracting a ton of new players, the game already has a well-earned reputation as “not the place for raiding,” and that reputation does them more good than harm.
We’ll too late ohoni, they are adding raid-exclusive rewards whether you like it or not.
You want anet too 100% focus on casuals.
Guess what, that’s not a good business decision.
You think McDonalds would be better off serving breakfast only? no other type of menu? Obviously gw2 isn’t mcdonalds of the MMO world but you get my point. You don’t cater 100% towards certain group and alienate the others. That’s potentially missing revenue. You maximize profits and continue gaining revenue by getting all types of players into your MMO. Casuals can love it , so can hardcore players.
It’s more than likely, strictly a business decision. They want to attract players. Thats why your seeing raids, thats why your seeing F2P. For new players. Because contrary to your belief, focusing on casual content isn’t good enough!! people have been quitting this game slowly and slowly.. And they will continue to until anet does something about it and now they are….
Your opinion of “ppl going to quit cause of raids” is ridiculous. There’s SO MUCH stuff being added. I doubt people are just gonna leave because they couldn’t get some shiny. I have yet to get my frac skin/legendary weapons or anything of worth, but I continue to play. Its a fun game.
You are simply complaining because you want something but don’t like the way anet made it achievable… that, once again, is your problem and personal opinion. And i’m glad anet doesn’t share that opinion.
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This is exactly why the game is so casual and has one of the worst pve content I’ve ever seen.
Yes, GW2 is (well…was) fairly casual, indeed. It was the one MMO for people like me. There are 20 MMOs out there that cater to elitists and people who want to brag with exclusive gear. Seriously, why is this sort of people even playing this game and then trying to shape it into something it was at least at launch not meant to be? I don’t get that.
PS: None of the things you listed is all that important, at least not in my opinion. Locking non-raiders out from an entire -class- of items (legendary armor) is a different beast, won’t you agree? I wouldn’t even have cared all -that- much about raiders getting their exclusive armor skin, but why can’t the rest of us work on legendary armor as well, our way?
since when did anet said it was locked out ?
there is no attunement process, there is no requirements outside the basics ( probably lvl 80, exotics, 10 man party)
So tell me, how exactly are they locking you out?
is it because you need a party to do it? because it might be too hard and your afraid of failing?
The only thing locking you out of doing raids is yourself.
You don’t get to have it your way, because “your” way is just easy and there is enough of “your” way in the game already. Farming open world is already ideal, popular , and will probably remain the best way to buy 95% of whatever it is that you want in this game anyways. So what if raids get exclusive rewards. PvP already has them, fractals does too.
you know whats more toxic than an elitist crowd? people who think they should have 100% of the rewards the way they want it or else. They want things handed to them in only a way they enjoy and don’t care about the rest.
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people that complain about not wanting to play hard content for exclusive gear just remind me of soccer moms asking to see the manager
“Live and let live” is a concept that’s apparently alien to some people. I don’t care what items you have and where you got it from. Why do you care what I have and what I had to do to get it? It’s just…petty. One person loves to raid to get their legendary. That’s ok. The next person rather kills 10,000 karka. That’s also ok. Both takes time and effort. But the average raider apparently can’t be happy unless they can shove their “Elite Status” in other people’s faces. It’s the only reason why raiders would ever need exclusive gear for, after all. Can’t probably brag with a legendary if scrubs like me can get one for killing 10,000 karka, after all. As I said…petty.
Nobody cares if Arenanet decides to add legendary armors that don’t require raiding. (As long as it still takes a lot of work to do.) They can reward with legendaries whatever feat they consider worthy of a legendary. What we want is the raid skins to be exclusive to raids, ie: can’t get that same skin without raiding.
As I said…petty. There is no good reason why you would care about what stuff I have.
Than why do you care if he gets exclusive skin from the raid?
What’s it even matter to you?
Anet put this as the reward, thats how its going to be and how it should be
Its too bad you would prefer the legendary armor to be available through something else.
Thats not how ANY MMORPG has worked, or will ever work
Every MMORPG has unique content to play and have fun with. Each content has different and unique rewards. Thats how it should be.
You SHOULD NOT be able to get a PvP legendary backpiece by spamming auto attack on a karka 10,000 times…
the average raider can’t be happy huh?
How bout the avg casual who can’t be happy with the fact the raid gives out something exclusive??
Why should you get the reward when you CLEARLY don’t deserve it because you don’t find the content fun/toohard.
As long as there is a way to get legendary equipment in PVP and WvWvW there is nothing wrong with exclusive rewards.
Make each set look different so it’s easy to tell at a glance what sort of high end content they did to earn it. The stat swapping is a huge advantage that I personally would LOVE for WvWvW because I tend to change my build a lot and sometimes want to change on a whim. However it only makes sense that the skins be different so raiders can revel in their own raidy greatness and PVP players can snicker at them for fighting robots over real people in their own set of legendary gear.
Everyone wins.
Stat swapping is not that big of a deal because you can’t swap runes…
Runes have a HUGE impact on certain builds. Whats the point of switching stats on armor if you can’t switch runes?
Say you change from DPS gear to tanky gear with healing,vita, or toughness, etc etc.
You are kitten now because you got DPS runes in that armor lol. Those runes won’t help your build at all. You are now forced to buy the extractor or replace the runes which is a big monetary loss (unless your loaded af and don’t care lol)
Massive slap in the face to Ranger and Engineer there.
My friend, they have been slapped in the face for years (especially rangers). WE are used it.
if it weren’t remotely true, than anet would never have made raids.
My bad, I guess I should have said “very few ppl hate”Also not true. Raids are a specific type of content, some people clearly enjoy it, especially lots of people who play WoW and all those who made Wildstar a breakaway hit, but it’s clearly something GW2 players have been happy to do without for the past three years, so you cannot claim that it’s an element that most players want.
But ANet doesn’t always design content for what most people want. sPvP, for example, very few players have any actual interest in, and yet they spend a lot of time on that element. It’s their hobby, and that’s fine, but they shouldn’t allow that to harm the rest of the game, or the people who play it.
The thing is, it’s not harming the game.
Neither is exclusive rewards (they have been doing it for 3 years, they see no reason to change it)
if it were up to you, this game wouldn’t even have WvW or sPvP because you only want anet to focus 100% of their effort on WHAT YOU LIKE.
The problem with all your logic. You only want anet developement to cater towards the way YOU LIKE IT.
News flash, not everyone , not even a small percentage is like you. You simply want anet to do what makes you happy instead of thinking about the other population.
no one hates raids as the actual content.
That is not even remotely a true statement, and you should at least be aware of that by now.
if it weren’t remotely true, than anet would never have made raids.
My bad, I guess I should have said “very few ppl hate”
" Raids will also become a key part of our live strategy for Guild Wars 2 in the future, but we’ll discuss that more down the road."
This reads to me like: “get good at raiding cause that’s what you’re getting.”
How much of the future plan is going to be just raids?
They will be incorporated later into Living Story.
That is anet’s focus going forward – that will be GW2’s PvE endgame progression : Raids/fractals and Living story/Open world maps like verdant brink.
Nobody’s talking about “facerolling” anything except for straw men, but there should be alternatives that don’t involve having to participate in raiding. Raiding is not for everybody, that’s one of the main reasons why GW2 has players, because some people didn’t want to be playing WoW.
You probably misheard Colin but Gw2 raids are not WoW raids.
From what I read on their website, that’s pretty much what I gathered, though. Instances with (gimmick) mechanics that require you to execute certain steps in a certain order inside a very small margin of error to get exclusive shinies to brag with. That’s…WoW.
That’s called good pve content, that all other MMO’s have.
I’m sorry your blind hatred of WoW and general lack of MMO experience causes you to not see this.
WoW has a bunch of bs like attunements, gear treadmill , etc etc .
That’s what ppl don’t like about raids
no one hates raids as the actual content. Its fun, its a group effort, its challenging and its a different style of play than what we already have. That is sorely needed in this game thats been lacking for 3 years.
There’s nothing wrong with raids, stop being so melodramatic.
Your stance on exclusive rewards is shared by few.
Then you don’t have anything to worry about and don’t need to be so insecure.
Not insecure at all my friend. I love it.
I’m just stating my opinion just like you are =)
Don’t get mad when ppl don’t agree with you. This is a forum. You can’t request “everyone who agrees with my opinion should post only, no one else can”
You probably misheard Colin but Gw2 raids are not WoW raids.
They aren’t, but they are raids, or they would not call them raids. We don’t know what they entail, exactly, but if they entail pre-grouping with a set group of players, entering an instanced area, and running through a set of content in a linear fashion that takes a half hour or more to complete, then it likely isn’t how I prefer to play this game. If it plays anything like the existing dungeons or Fractals then that’s not what I want. There’s an outside possibility that I would enjoy the raids, in limited doses at least, but it’s not likely.
All of this is your opinion. This is ONE part of the game. No one said you should play it if you don’t like it.
If you don’t like it, don’t do it. You want the rewards but don’t want to work for it. Than that’s your problem.
Anet has NO reason to change it just so you can happily achieve the rewards while running around in the open world doing it “your way”.
Skeetz, if you’re right, then you have nothing to worry about and don’t have to participate in this, or similar topics. But for my part, I’m going to hold out hope and continue to push for the best possible outcomes on these issues. I welcome you to not participate if you have no interest in doing so, just as you are happy to allow me to not participate in raiding.
This is the forum. I’m allowed to debate and bring up reasons as to why you are statement is false. That you don’t like exclusive rewards and wish they were gone.
I already believe the best possible outcome was exclusive rewards for raids and thus I will tell you that I hope anet does not change this…
You can keep your hope all you want. I’m glad it’s not happening thou. and you aren’t going to get an easy way to legendary armor, just like there isn’t an easy way to get legendary weapons, skins, certain titles, etc etc.
Your stance on exclusive rewards is shared by few.
Ohoni, you arent going to get what you want. Face the facts.
I’m not ever going to get some things in this game, so are others. Even thou I have the access and ability to get them, doesn’t mean I will or want to even.
You keep trying and trying to keep away exclusive rewards. Its not happening. nor should it happen.
You can go ahead and keep trying to change anet’s philsophy, but they aren’t.
Why? because they seem to be OK with it. as well as a lot of the community.
I’m sorry you feel that raids arent fun and worth your time. Once again, that is your own personal problem. Many others are fine with raids and the exclusive rewards they are bringing. Deal with it ok. Crying over and over won’t get a kitten thing changed about it because a lot of ppl are perfectly ok with this system.
Just because yOU don’t like it, doesn’t mean its bad. This is just your opinion on exclusive rewards and it means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
This game is not going to lose population as you so believe, due to raids. That is just one part of this expansion. There is A LOT of goodies for everyone here.
You don’t like it, its too bad.. but you aren’t going to win this fight. Exclusive rewards are happening , and many ppl believe its the right call… if you don’t like it, you are free to do the hundreds of other things this game has to offer….
I actually feel quite positive about Raids in GW2 if ive understood how they will play out correctly – at the moment there doesn’t seem to be any places in pve where someone into being support/utility with some damage thrown in fits in.
I had a Shadow Priest in WoW and 10 man Raids just seemed to bring out the best in that type of character, it was great to switch between abit of healing cc and pew pew, but here I never felt I could build a character like that could be useful in a 5 man Dungeon, so ive just never done a dungeon ( I know you are expected to be an all rounder with no Trinity but Berserker is sill the Meta). Raid mechanics being more complex could allow for a greater selection of build types in groups.
That said Im not that great a player so my chances of getting into a Raid will probably be nil lol
Hopefully, the truly “difficult” part of raids should come in the form of achievements, hardmodes, etc. The raids themselves should be accessible by people of varying skill levels, with special acknowledgements (achievements primarily) for beating the boss faster, more efficiently, under special circumstances, etc.
Adding 10 player content into the game and then tuning it so that only a small percentage of the community can enjoy it goes against everything this game has come to represent for its many fans.
That isnt to say that the achievements/hardmodes/etc shouldn’t be BRUTALLY hard. They most definitely should be.
idk i think you fail to understand the intention behind the raids. they made them to make players who want challenge and difficulty happy. if you dont like difficulty and challenge there is and will be plenty of other stuff to do.
also they said the content will be the most difficult content in gw2 so i doubt they will split it into easy group content and challenging group content.
I love the idea of difficult content, but the addition of a new game mode (10 player instances) should be something everyone can enjoy. There is no reason that raids should only be there for a tiny percentage of the population.
There are a lot of ways to make something challenging without walling off an entire game mode from other players.
raids are there for 100% of the population what on earth are you talking about?
There is no requirement to get into the raid. There is , I’m assuming a certain amount of skill required if you actaully want to beat the raid thou…
You will need a competent 10 man party , thats about the only restriction
If you asking for it to be made easy enough so you can pug it, than you won’t get that wish granted. There’s enough easy content that can be pugged (literally everything) already.
What you want is an easier way to get the armor, its not happening.
No, I’m not looking for an easier method, just one that doesn’t involve raiding. Raiding is not a fun way to spend my time in game. If you enjoy raiding, then that’s great, you raid, but there’s no reason I should have to.
You can get it by paying gold! That is all you need. pay gold and afk at the entrance.
That sounds like a really fun way to spend an evening, but I think I’d really prefer to actually be playing the game instead, just in a different area.
Gee, I wish I could get a Bolt by playing in WvW/PvP but I can’t. Do you see me complaining about it? or the countless others that haven’t bothered doing the steps required to get some of the skins/items ? I hate completing all those hearts in every map, but you have to do it if you want the legendary. Did anet change that because I don’t like it? NO. and im TOTALLY OK with it. Not everything should be easily accessible with the push of a button. if you want something awesome, you have to do awesome amounts of work.
News flash, everyone has their opinion on “fun”. The thing is, you aren’t going to GET everything YOU WANT. Anet is trying to appease majority of the playerbase and everyone is getting different pieces of pie, but EVERYONE has access to the full pie if they so chose.
You may not like it, but others do. I along with countless others are excited about this
What’s been announced is going to be in effect. If you don’t like it, thats your problem.
There won’t be another way and thats how it should be.
What you want is an easier way to get the armor, its not happening.
I was waiting for ohoni to pop up and finally make a thread complaining about exclusive rewards
Just like there’s no way for you to get the legendary back from PvP leagues in other ways.
Just deal with it ok. If you don’t like it, BYE. Anet made it 100% accessible to everyone playing the game. Just get a 10 man team, and go try it out.
“I don’t want to do it but I want the best stuff” is not a valid excuse.
Colin said live at PAX that raids will have masteries and that is the only way to get the precursor required for Legendary armor. Those precursors are account bound btw, so no, they will not be on TP for you to just simple buy after you spammed auto attack in silverwastes for a week.
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it is not because it is not required to raid to get the best stats in the game and not raiding wont stop you from doing the other content that you enjoy.
Not certainly in that way. Of course, I have ascended armor. But where can I get the legendary? In the raid. So I’m forced to raid.
I ran away from WoW here, but WoW found me here? Community will be transformed, without a doubt. And not for the better. Anet made a mistake, unfortunately. We all feel its consequences.
Who said you are forced?
If you want legendary, than you have to go and do the content. Go get it if you want it
And legendary = ascended in stats…. its not like your getting anything better. Just a different look dude…
if you want something go do it. Dont whine about it.
This game is more than raids dude.
PvPers/WvWs won’t even bother touching it. you act as if this is the end of all things.
All it is a a glorified dungeon. This isn’t going to affect the community at all.
Announcements are cool, but I think a lot of us would very much like updates on some of the older ones?
Any new visuals/ content teasers on:
1) New armors/weapons, legendary or not?
2) Maybe some more specifics about the fractal update/ trailer on the higher levels?
3) Will certain classes be updated so they will see more play in the more competitive content? Both pvp and pve? For example I am scared for the druid since the Reaper didnt really adress many of the flaws of the necro, it definitely added nice looks but it didnt introduce much for the necro to become “wanted”. + The last 2 elite specs seem to get A LOT less BWE time than the others.
4) More frequent gameplay/balance updates?
5) Will SAB ever come back? An estimation?
6) Are there any other intresting and fun QOL updates?
While announcing things hypes people up, waiting for this long without updates kills a lot of the hype.
An informed gw2 player is a happy gw2 player.
than go read the HoT website and be informed… most of your questions are already answered…..
So, this will be the new content that 90% of the player base will miss out on because of elitist raid runners. Hopefully guilds will help the average player with the content, otherwise…..
I am rather sure that those 90% will have more than enough people to create runs themselves actually.
yea how exactly is 90% of the ENTIRE population missing out?
colin literally said “there is no atunement or requirements like tradiotional raids…” the moment the raid is unlocked, it will be available to anyone with a 10 man team
Don’t worry, the economy will be ok. We put a lot of effort into keeping it protected.
can you talk a bit about what f2p players will be restricted to in trading on the TP?
because things that are easily farmed like nodes and other materials will FLOOD the market , creating very high supply..
Plus bots.
Free accounts get:
Fewer bank and bag slots
Limited use of map and whisper chat
Can use the TP but can’t mail items to other players
Have to play to level 60 before you can enter wvw
yea but economy is already massively screwed and it just got worse with this annoucnement
The economy is about to get litered with bots getting on all those nodes.
Get ready for a MASSIVE increase in supply for easy gathering mats
Prices will be dropping like crazy for things involve those easily farmed mats
and its starting TODAY
Just confirmed from the pres himself
“as soon as we are done here , GW2 will be available to be downloaded from the website”
RIP everything
Just revealed on the twitch stream at PAX
Interested in the “legendary rewards” that was revealed on the trailers
hype is real boys.
no attunement so raids will be available to anyone and everyone immediately , 10 man group, go in and give it a shot.
Mastery will tie into raid progression and dynamic event system.
Also confirmed there will be more raids added in the future as well as fractals.
thoughts?
EDIT;
LEGENDARY ARMOR CONFIRMED ON THE HOT WEBSITE!!
copy pasta below
As part of rewards for raids, we’re introducing legendary armor. Conquering raid content will earn you the pieces to build legendary precursor armors, which can be forged into legendary heavy, medium, and light armor sets. Like legendary weapons, these pieces will have the same stats as ascended armor; you’ll be able to change the armor stats out of combat and dazzle your friends with your sense of style, but you won’t have a statistical edge. Endless tiers of gear grind to stay raid relevant have no place in Guild Wars 2.
More information: http://heartofthorns.guildwars2.com/game/raids/
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source please
/charrrr
Untill ANet tells us what they mean by “raid” that word.might not.mean what we think it means.
Do tell Brother, what other definition of raid could possibly pertain to an MMORPG?
How should I know, I’m not ANet. There idea of a raid might be a world boss that has an army on its side, and you have to hold.off the army and kill the boss at the same time. ANet have also said they do not want content locked off behind instances. They’ve said it many times CJ has said it quite a few times since they announced HoT.
But if you and everyone else want to think raid means WoW stile raid content, you’re probably setting your self up for disappointment.
NO one is asking for WoW style raids (vertical progression based raids….)
Anet KNOWS that is not what we want..
There is nothing wrong with Raids – the content/mechanics of those raids are an absolute blast and its some of the most fun i’ve ever had with a group of friends.
The problem was it was all vertical progression based. Thats what ppl don’t like about raids. The raid itself is fun and loved by many.
However, you are setting YOURSELF up for disappointment if you believe this will be open world content….
First off, there is already PLENTY of open world stuff to do.
An OPEN WORLD RAID would be redudant.
You know what there isn’t enough of ? instanced content for pve. Only dungs (basically dead and abandoned by anet dev team) and fracs
we will know tomorrow for sure
source please
/charrrr
Untill ANet tells us what they mean by “raid” that word.might not.mean what we think it means.
Do tell Brother, what other definition of raid could possibly pertain to an MMORPG?
Remove celestial and you’ll remove ele completely from the game. Not gonna happen.
Please. Theres plenty of other useable amulets
The fact is, cele amulet was FAR AND AWAY the best option.
That is NOT balanced.
When you have something that is MILES better than the 2nd option, something is wrong.
I doubt they get rid of cele amulet, but they certainly are capable of nerfing cele amulet stats.
This was the exact first thought I had when I heard the release date is the 23rd of October. If it only gets tested in 1 BWE, there’s no way it’s going to be balanced on release.
Its ranger. Since when do they care about making it right or listening to feedback about that class lol?
What do I need to catch up on?
Esports….
While off topic, does anyone actually take GW2 seriously as a Esport? I keep hearing about it, but just do not see it. While GW2 sPvP is interesting I just don’t see how it can be taken seriously.
Its not, he’s joking
GW2 hasn’t been, nor will it ever be e-sport (unless anet actually gives PvP devs more resources/support…)
They haven’t made a blip on the radar.
When you can’t even pull more viewers on twitch than 1 guy playing runescape during your games major tournament finals… than i’m sorry, but you aren’t “e-sport” (WTS had 7-8k viewers for the finals….pretty sad)
While PvP is fun to play, and its one of my favorite things to do in this game. It’s not something you can sit and watch as a spectator, hence, it will never make it to e-sports.
Yaaaaayyyy can’t wait to not have a Halloween event this year! Seriously? Ruin the best holiday event in gw2?!
I don’t give a kitten about playing dress up with halloween costumes
HoT > some holiday event. you think an expac releases every year like some kids holiday event? Please. HoT is way more important than running around LA playing dressup
I’d rather wait longer for a bug free expansion that’s polished and have new LAs first Halloween event… an event mind you that is EASILY the most popular and heavily played by the GW2 playerbase.
You think some silly halloween event will attract players to this game over a new expansion?
What do you think has a greater chance of attracting players back to this game that took a break/quit? playing dress up for a weekend or an EXPANSION release?
Who said it won’t be polished? bug free? in 2015? find me a game/xpac that releases bug free in this age of technology lmao.
Nice logic you have. I’m glad you don’t make decisions for this game.
Rangers are fine if you like being mediocre at everything.
They can do all the content, but not as well as other classes.
They are AMAZING at nothing, they don’t SUCK at anything either. Just an mediocre to avg class…
Yaaaaayyyy can’t wait to not have a Halloween event this year! Seriously? Ruin the best holiday event in gw2?!
I don’t give a kitten about playing dress up with halloween costumes
HoT > some holiday event. you think an expac releases every year like some kids holiday event? Please. HoT is way more important than running around LA playing dressup
release date 10/23…..still think there’s gonna be BWE3 or 4?
Druid will get the last BWE for feedback… great..
If they don’t even have a BWE3, than this class is next level kittened.
I don’t really care about which direction they go with the Druid as long as it’s actually effective. Druid likely being the last reveal means a lot less BWE feedback we’ll be able to give which is what worries me the most.
Hits my sentiments right on the head.
Agreed.
OP, anet has had PLENTY constructive crit for 3 years regarding the state of ranger.
There is going to be a kittenstorm if Druid is not effective at solving the problems rangers have had to deal with since gw2 beta.
They can go ahead and delete this class if druid is not effective.
Because right now, I only see druid getting 1 BWE worth of feedback.
We all know how well anet does “internal” testing , especially with ranger changes lol
While I’m certainly hoping for the best, I expect the worst.
Even when I expect nothing, I’m still disappointed with anet and their philosophy with ranger.
They just need to buff other weapon sets/builds. The fact that they haven’t makes me really sad. The need to stop looking into traits and look at the weapons themselves.
Buffing other specs will be pointless if Cele ele DD remains like this… (better than all specs, by a wide margin)
And if you buff other specs to the level of OPness that is cele ele dd, than you solved nothing. Just created another cycleThere needs to be a nerf to DD cele ele and at the same time, a buff to other specs to counter. Otherwise, ele will be in a state of crap.
Later on in the betas you will find that alot of specilizations will counter d/d a bit better. With the revenant buffs, i expect them to be able to contend vs ele pretty well. I also imagine dare devil to far well vs d/d too.
I think a big reason d/d isn’t nerfed is because of heart of thorns and its implications for the meta.
That’s all speculation and in the future…You could be right thou about why they haven’t nerfed d/d yet… anet just waiting on HoT release to see how the meta shakes up…dare devil won’t fare well, it has no way to handle our burns and we can simple sustain their rotations. Rev I agree, could be a beast of a class that can take on anything.
The fact right now is in the current state , DD cele is without a doubt, OP.
And the balancing is just kitten poor coming from anet’s side.
You wonder why this game will never hit e-sports , this is why. Balancing is ABYSMAL and the PvP devs just don’t have the resources/support from anet… you could probably count the number of ppl working on balance on one hand.
They just need to buff other weapon sets/builds. The fact that they haven’t makes me really sad. The need to stop looking into traits and look at the weapons themselves.
Buffing other specs will be pointless if Cele ele DD remains like this… (better than all specs, by a wide margin)
And if you buff other specs to the level of OPness that is cele ele dd, than you solved nothing. Just created another cycle
There needs to be a nerf to DD cele ele and at the same time, a buff to other specs to counter. Otherwise, ele will be in a state of crap.
They can’t touch water/cantrips…. this class 2 button kill for thieves/mesmers (or any class) if they hit our healing/defenses…Spike us down and no way to recover, GG.
What they will most likely do is hit fire line / burning…. Cele Ele DD is nothing new, they were in the game for a while. They were just never this level of OP
This only happened when burning buff + full extra spec line came out. Went over the top. That might ele could stack become ridiculous with the constant amount of burn application we have and how bugged as kitten Ring of Fire is…. only such short cooldowns too
Is anyone experiencing this “bug” with spirits?
No, mainly due to the fact no one even runs spirits in PvP
Probably overlooked by anet since why would they even bother testing spirits in PvP before implementing the changes in game right? Who in their right minds would use spirits in PvP lol
dude go read the freaking ranger forums or the CDI.
You think I have time to type out all the problems and flaws with rangers?
I’m not wasting time explaining it to someone when its already out there in the forums.
Again, I know ranger works in PvP ( I have a champion hunter title…)but its not good against high MMR team arenas. You HARDLY see it in tournaments. Why? because its simple – classes do everything ranger can do, except better.
Stop exaggerating what I said. I said nothing of the sort that you are suggesting. And by the way, you think your class is the worst, stop by a couple of the other profession forums such as the necromancer forum and maybe you’ll see differently.
Basically those of you complaining about the Ranger, you can go to the other forums and switch out the word Ranger for the word of one of the other professions and see them complaining how bad theres are as well. Frankly, it’s quite an exaggeration.
It was exaggerated because I was trying to make a joke at the same time, so it was for comedic effect, although to be fair the sentiment makes for a cruel joke in and of itself.
Before the CDI many people stepped forward and said “I don’t even play Ranger but you’ve got to do that first, it’s simply broken.” We could go back and forth all day over which classes are here, there or anywhere in the meta, but Rangers are fundamentally flawed.
In what way are they fundamentally flawed? I’m not trying to be rude, it’s seriously a question I would like to hear answered. The reason why I’m saying so is while I don’t make a ranger, I have played it and I have a good friend I’ve been playing with it for 3 years who does play a ranger as a primary, and he is fairly happy with it.
I see people playing Rangers all the time, I’ve been and matches were 40% of the characters are Rangers, and they’ve done quite well. I fought them in world vs world, and they’ve done quite well. So I am really befuddled on this whole Rangers are fundamentally flawed statement.
I especially hold such claims in deep suspicion, because most, granted not all, but most of the profession forums are complaining about how their classes are broken and some terrible ways as well. In my opinion, if most of the classes are broken, and then most people are either being whiners, or everything is perfectly balanced because they’re all broken. The point being is seen so many complaints and pretty much almost all of the profession forms makes me think that it’s just a bunch of sour grapes.
I am using my phone for this, & I know I made some grammatical and spelling errors or auto correct quote fixed things quote, I will edit and fix it when I get home tonight.
See theres no point in arguing with someone who can’t follow basic logic
Why do you think rangers got the first CDI? Was it because anet randomly picked ranger? NO. It was because it was by FAR the most voted profession in the poll for the CDI due to the fact it is BROKEN and NEEDS rework.
I don’t care if your friend for 3 years since beta thinks ranger is perfectly fine.
Your examples for necro don’t mean anything either since they are META in sPvP and backline zerging for WvW… BOTH of those areas necros are absolutely AMAZING. Only 1 part where necro is bad is PvE…
Compare that to Ranger, which is mediocre to avg in every role. One of the biggest reasons being – that useless pet taking up 30% DPS numbers wise , leaving rangers with only 70%. Everyone else being at 100%…
Are Rangers fine? absolutely. If you accept mediocrity and broken class mechanic.
Sure rangers work fine in PvE/Dungs – but they are middle of the pack in terms of usefulness
Sure rangers work fine in PvP – but they are mediocre once again compared to other classes in terms of team support/mobility/burst capabilities.
Sure rangers work fine in WvW zerging – if all you want to do is stand at 1500 range and spam 1,2 on LB. But other classes bring utilties and skills that are actually helpful to a zerg like ele,necros, guardians, warriors, etc….
So yea, you can keep saying Ranger is fine. but that means you accept mediocrity in ALL areas of this game for this class
It excels at nothing, it sucks at nothing, but its below avg to mediocre at everything. If you want it to stay that way, fine. Just don’t bother trying to convince other ppl that its ok to accept mediocrity.
(edited by SkiTz.4590)
Haven’t you heard SkiTz? Rangers are hot property, wanted in every part of the game by every group. Top PvP teams, WvW guilds and GvG teams and Dungeon runners! They’re a must have, so glad we’re in such a great place in the game right now and we’re never the butt of any joke…
Stop exaggerating what I said. I said nothing of the sort that you are suggesting. And by the way, you think your class is the worst, stop by a couple of the other profession forums such as the necromancer forum and maybe you’ll see differently.
Basically those of you complaining about the Ranger, you can go to the other forums and switch out the word Ranger for the word of one of the other professions and see them complaining how bad theres are as well. Frankly, it’s quite an exaggeration.
You do realize there is a saying in each of the other class forums
“at least we aren’t rangers”
You think other classes have a broken class mechanic as rangers do?
Why do you think Ranger CDI was the first? because it requires the most rework due to the fact its been broken for 3+ years. Other classes haven’t had problems dealing with a broken class mechanic and completely mediocre builds since GW2 was released.
Yes other classes do complain, most about balancing and asking for more variety in their builds….rangers have that AND broken classmechanic/countless bugs SINCE BETA
You need to stop acting as if majority of the ranger population is happy
Majority of them are also bearbow casuals since most of the good players have switched classes.. You think these bearbow casuals care or even know what the bugs are and whats broken? No. pew pew pew.
How often do you see rangers in high rank MMR team que or world tournaments?
They have been below avg to mediocre in most areas of this game. If you are “happy” with that, so be it. Others aren’t. Stop speaking for rangers. You clearly haven’t played this class long enough to realize what the problems are.
datamined info earlier showed something about a trial account (this could be the F2P).
It also had datamined tidbits of maximum lvl of 15 for free trial (makes sense, only able to get into those start zone lvl 1-15 maps like queensdale)….
Couldn’t speak in map chats or use trading post and things like that either so I HIGHLY DOUBT its a full f2p game lol
Most likely just a free trial.
Thank you kindly for this info. I’m going to believe it until Anet says otherwise on Saturday.
That datamined info is over a year old. It is almost certainly not relevant. It’s probably something ArenaNet considered in the past and scrapped in favor of something else.
Your right its old and probably have some things changed but still. I highly doubt anet will put out a completely F2P, full edition of the core gw2 game….
We will know on saturday thou!
Nooh I said I wanna believe til Saturday! Shhhh! xD
Sorry Candy, leaked trailer just showed the worst thing possible…. fractals, sPvP, WvW, all of it was accessible for F2P accounts…. this doesn’t look good lol. Hopefully some restrictions will be applied but it looks like they will still have access to quite a bit of things….
Please Anet, tell us it’s a joke.
Which part?
Both, F2P and raids are both horribly bad for a games community, either one is capable is bringing a game to its knees on its own. To do both at the same time….I can see a shark tank and what looks like GW2 about to jump it.
I’m not worried about raids, myself.
Remember that announcement about the changes to Fractals? How they want to lower the barrier of entry and lower the time commitment for individual Fractal runs? That makes even more sense if they’re adding raids, which will require larger groups and longer time commitments.
They’ve already confirmed there’ll be no gear tier beyond ascended in Heart of Thorns, so the gear treadmill aspect of raids in other MMOs won’t be an issue.
My guess is it’ll look a lot like the elite missions from GW1’s Factions campaign—extra-long, more difficult dungeons that require a larger-than-normal party and offer higher-than-normal rewards. Raids don’t worry me at all.
F2P is a different story. It could be botched easily, but it could also be handled well. It all remains to be seen.
Funny you should mention this.
There was a post in the Raid CDI about legendary gear in raids, and how it could also be fair to get them without raiding, but differently, and at the same time, same difficulty.
As for the F2P thing, I suspect poor wording in that you get the base game FREE with your purchase of HoT. So play the core game for “Free” now, if you buy HoT at this moment.
That’s not the case. Go to YouTube and search for “Guild Wars 2 Free to Play” and limit the search to today. IGN leaked a trailer and someone mirrored it on YouTube.
It’s full free-to-play for the base game, including WvW.
I chuckled at “world class” PvP lol.
But seriously. if its free full core game… thats not going to be a good sign… welcome to a toxic community full of trolls and goldspamming bots.
datamined info earlier showed something about a trial account (this could be the F2P).
It also had datamined tidbits of maximum lvl of 15 for free trial (makes sense, only able to get into those start zone lvl 1-15 maps like queensdale)….
Couldn’t speak in map chats or use trading post and things like that either so I HIGHLY DOUBT its a full f2p game lol
Most likely just a free trial.
Thank you kindly for this info. I’m going to believe it until Anet says otherwise on Saturday.
That datamined info is over a year old. It is almost certainly not relevant. It’s probably something ArenaNet considered in the past and scrapped in favor of something else.
Your right its old and probably have some things changed but still. I highly doubt anet will put out a completely F2P, full edition of the core gw2 game….
We will know on saturday thou!
datamined info earlier showed something about a trial account (this could be the F2P).
It also had datamined tidbits of maximum lvl of 15 for free trial (makes sense, only able to get into those start zone lvl 1-15 maps like queensdale)….
Couldn’t speak in map chats or use trading post and things like that either so I HIGHLY DOUBT its a full f2p game lol
Most likely just a free trial.
Thank you kindly for this info. I’m going to believe it until Anet says otherwise on Saturday.
That datamined info is over a year old. It is almost certainly not relevant. It’s probably something ArenaNet considered in the past and scrapped in favor of something else.
Your right its old and probably have some things changed but still. I highly doubt anet will put out a completely F2P, full edition of the core gw2 game….
We will know on saturday thou!