Guild Wars 2

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

While i won’t claim that our effort was amazing, our third time, we managed to survive, and almost always get on the thing to prevent aoe in time. I was full zerker necro reaper (wich does kitten nice damage). Some others were too, we had revenant and druids too. When the timer almost ended, boss was 60% hp.

So indeed this screams ‘zerker or go home’. And I can’t agree with that. It’s already basically saying druid (kind of builds) will be useless… Not the way to go Anet.

eh, multiple guilds that have completed the raid have ran at least 2 support specs (typically a guardian tank and druid… the druid being the constant in all groups that beat the raid)

Zerker is still required… but so is atleast a couple support specs….and in that case, its not 100% zerk meta at least, like the rest of PvE….

Windsagio.1340:

TL;DR

They invest in modes because they expect people to play them. Just the play generates revenue. They won’t make, or will abandon a mode that too few players play.

Right, but you think too few players will play raids because of ascended/difficulty?

what about the fractals 51-100 that anet is also spending time and working on??
That for SURE requires ascended … you think few ppl will be playing it too? just because of “ascended requirements”??

They aren’t going to abandon raids, just like they didn’t abandon high lvl fractals….

Its going to be a “wait and see” approach with this stuff… once anet gets good data/info on how many players are doing it and how well its received, then we will know if anet is making the right choice…until than, its a bit premature to say “welp, no one is going to do raids, stop working on it anet! focus on other stuff!”

Ayrilana.1396:

SkiTz.4590:

Ayrilana.1396:

Kevan.8912:

Ayrilana.1396:

La Goanna.8142:

Ayrilana.1396:

Here’s s perfect solution.

Anet makes there be two modes for raids: normal mode and hard mode.

The hard mode will be what is currently intended for raids.

Normal mode will exist solely for those players that want to experience the story within the raids. The enemies and bosses have minimal mechanics and can be killed like how current bosses are killed (i.e. Just auto attack until they die). They will also not get any rewards as that’s reserved for hard mode only.

Everyone wins.

What about the ones who don’t want to grind for ludicrously expensive gear, but still want a greater challenge other than pressing 1?

Also, good luck getting casuals interested if there’s zero rewards of any sort involved; that’s not good for the long term. I’ll feel bad for new players who want to try out the raids but can’t because the LFG panel is constantly empty, sans for core elitists who’ll kick those out who’re aren’t in full ascended everything.

Ok. Drop rates are 10% of whatever the levels are in hard mode and subjected to the same weekly lockout. If ascended chests have a 10% drop rate in hard mode then they’ll have a 1% drop rate in normal.

So that who is already decently geared, only gets better gear..while the others get..nothing. A very good example of skill-oriented game.

And what if: everyone drop ascended..but only in hardmode raid you can get legendary skins?
It seems more fair play to me.

People have yet to prove that raids will require ascended. How much of the difficulty players had was due to the lack of skill to that specific raid and proper team configuration/coordination?

The raid vendor was giving out full ascended only sets…..
Will some of the highly skilled guilds be able to do it in full exotic? probably…

The timer left on this first boss between all the guilds finishing in full ascended was 1-2 mins….that DPS loss going from ascended to exotic would probably have stopped some of those successful runs…..

This is the first boss… i fully expect this too be the easiest and it only gets harder…exotics probably won’t cut it in future bosses…

Most of the runs ppl did, they figured out the mechanics quickly enough…. what got them messed up was the enrage timers…. and enrage timers are purely a DPS check…and the fact remains…ascended applies more pressure/DPS than exotics…

It doesn’t matter what the vendor was giving out. The issue people were having was the lack of skill in regards to the mechanics (it was everyone’s first time doing these) and the lack of proper set up and coordination. These are meant to be difficult so I don’t see why the first boss should be a freebie because it happens to be the first.

If you have watched any of the videos of guilds beating the boss, you would notice lack of skill,coordination and proper setup was a non issue….those guys have ran raid MULTIPLE times and understood the mechanics very well and coordinated it on their voice chats very well…they had very few ppl getting downed throughout the whole fight…and they were able to beat the enrage timer by roughly 1-2 minutes AT BEST…

If those guys switched their ascended to exotics… they would probably still have beat it but with mere seconds to spare probably…. I doubt the avg group completes it easily in exotics until they have ran it a bajillion times to never die and to learn how to constantly be applying DPS/pressure

Ayrilana.1396:

Kevan.8912:

Ayrilana.1396:

La Goanna.8142:

Ayrilana.1396:

Here’s s perfect solution.

Anet makes there be two modes for raids: normal mode and hard mode.

The hard mode will be what is currently intended for raids.

Normal mode will exist solely for those players that want to experience the story within the raids. The enemies and bosses have minimal mechanics and can be killed like how current bosses are killed (i.e. Just auto attack until they die). They will also not get any rewards as that’s reserved for hard mode only.

Everyone wins.

What about the ones who don’t want to grind for ludicrously expensive gear, but still want a greater challenge other than pressing 1?

Also, good luck getting casuals interested if there’s zero rewards of any sort involved; that’s not good for the long term. I’ll feel bad for new players who want to try out the raids but can’t because the LFG panel is constantly empty, sans for core elitists who’ll kick those out who’re aren’t in full ascended everything.

Ok. Drop rates are 10% of whatever the levels are in hard mode and subjected to the same weekly lockout. If ascended chests have a 10% drop rate in hard mode then they’ll have a 1% drop rate in normal.

So that who is already decently geared, only gets better gear..while the others get..nothing. A very good example of skill-oriented game.

And what if: everyone drop ascended..but only in hardmode raid you can get legendary skins?
It seems more fair play to me.

People have yet to prove that raids will require ascended. How much of the difficulty players had was due to the lack of skill to that specific raid and proper team configuration/coordination?

The raid vendor was giving out full ascended only sets…..
Will some of the highly skilled guilds be able to do it in full exotic? probably…

The timer left on this first boss between all the guilds finishing in full ascended was 1-2 mins….that DPS loss going from ascended to exotic would probably have stopped some of those successful runs…..

This is the first boss… i fully expect this too be the easiest and it only gets harder…exotics probably won’t cut it in future bosses…

Most of the runs ppl did, they figured out the mechanics quickly enough…. what got them messed up was the enrage timers…. and enrage timers are purely a DPS check…and the fact remains…ascended applies more pressure/DPS than exotics…

Ragnarox.9601:

SkiTz.4590:

LMAO @ the thought the thieves are the most dangerous class out there….

Please , get real.

They are good at mobility (quick decaps, +1ing teamfights) and ganking a target in teamfights, but thieves go down in an instant if they are caught without stealth for more than a few seconds…..

They lose a lot more duels now with other specs getting buffed….
ALl they can do is get in a few cheap shots/steals , and than they HAVE to stealth out . otherwise they get nuked in 5 secs…. thieves are not scaring anyone nowdays…. they have an extremely niche role (mobility/decaping/ganking a target)….

There are very few good duelers out there with thief to scare anyone in a 1v1 situation….they are not a dangerous class at all….

Good thieves reroled to mesmers and eles, because players exploit op classes a lot. thieves were op for more than 2 years so after some balancing you did get what you deserve. Eles are nerfed little by little i hope they balance mesmers in near future.

And yes they are dangerous because you have stealth so yo ucan pick targets to kill. Stop playing like warriors and guardians and use what you got.

Mesmer is more dangerous right now out of stealth than a thief can even dream about….

Unless the target is already debuffed (vuln stacks, slowly dying, being focused on by others, chain cc’d , etc etc) the thief is not scaring anyone

in a fair 1v1, thief is not dropping anyone straight out of stealth unless that person is afk or just embarassingly bad….

Yes thieves can stilll gank you when you least suspect it in WvW…. but that’s been their role for 3 years…. what did their elite spec do for them? nothing, since the spec had nothing to do with stealth, which is thieves strongest playstyle….. they now got left in the dust compared to other classes….the powercreep with other professions new spec have made them all WAY more formidable against a thief burst out of stealth….

all thieves can do now is try to gank them, and if it fails, stealth and run away, try again later….
Daredevil is just flat out weak….

Windsagio.1340:

SkiTz.4590:

La Goanna.8142:

PopeUrban.2578:

Couple days in SW and pretty much anybody has a full set of ascended, and there’s no telling what other acquisiton methods they may or may not have added to HoT.

I’d love to know what you’re doing out in the silverwastes because I still have zero ascended armor as far as I’m concerned. Trinkets, sure, but those only come in the sinister variety at the vendor. Crafting for armor and the occasional weapon is still required and it’s still huge grind and money sink. While it may be fine for people like us who’ve been playing the game consistently or on-and-off for over a year, it’s going to scare away the influx of new and returning players

So I’m going to agree with the other user here who claims that raids are going to be completely dead in 5 months or less because of this – even moreso if the rewards themselves are underwhelming and grindy via currencies like fractal relics and so on. They need to scale like fractals so that full exotics can experience it and beat via lower levels, at the very least. Difficulty of the actual boss and gameplay mechanics should be relatively the same, but don’t gate it behind a grindy gear-wall of power creep stats.

Why does anet have to dumb everything down to accomodate players who feel entitled to everything?

For once , can anet get away with saying
“we aren’t going to lower our standards for this particular content (raids), instead, we ask you to step your game up if you want to beat it”…..

Outside of high lvl fractals, EVERYTHING in PvE has been casual (in terms of requirements to beat)…..anet wants to give raids a shot, as the endgame, so let them…

We will see in 6 months if it worked or not… if it doesn’t, don’t worry, all you ppl in exotics, who don’t even want to ATTEMPT to get ascended will have your wish…

Your rhetorical question is very easily reversed, but I’m going to go another way, and answer:

“Because they’re running a business”.

If it doesn’t add to their bottom line, they shouldn’t spend money on it.

Specifically this means, if raids are so hard that people don’t do them, they won’t (and shouldn’t) continue to support the feature.

If that were the case ,

Why on earth are they spending time and resources with a new PvP game mode that most serious PvPers don’t care about? or the new changes with leagues and what not?

Why are they spending time and resources with WvW – it generates no revenue at all and takes a lot of effort to create a whole new map like that…..

All that guild hall stuff…thats not adding to the bottom line unless theres some stuff tied into the gemstore that we haven’t seen……

Point is, anet DOES make spend money across ALL game modes….PvP / WvW isn’t adding kitten to their bottom line, but they will continue to spend money on it…..

Their bottom line used to be LS + constant Gemstore stuff….see how well that did for them? it made them say “we’ll, we are not doing good enough, we need to make an xpac”….

Bryzy.2719:

Is it because all the other elite specs are so powerful?

I’m using my same tank condi bunker build except swapping out Beastmastery for Druid traitline, and I survived way better with my old build.

If you are talking about PvP/WvW…. the answer is simple – lack of viable stability….
Outside of SoTP… you are pretty much a sitting duck… its easy to get stunlocked into oblivion once SoTP is on CD and you already used lightning reflex…

Nicknobreak.7543:

Because you’re basically SkiTz and typically every post you make is negative and not constructive and you complain and throw a tantrum like a child until you get what you want. But when you come up with a realistic change that hasn’t been suggested before you are welcome to bring your new found suggestion to the table in a way that doesn’t make you appear so implacable.

I’m not asking to get what I want… I just wondering how ppl can logically say “druid is not about healing”…..

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

SkiTz.4590:

In terms of support , its not good . period.
Can’t stack might
has little to no stability
has no aura/boonsharing capabilities
has no real good party buffs like other class
has no DPS utilties that buff your party (the original spotter/frost spirit is still better than what druid offers lol)….the list goes on….

False.
False.
False.
False.
False.

You really know so little about Ranger/Druid, its a bit annoying that ignorant people keep perpetuating this rubbish. Ranger/Druid does all those except auras and the healing is icing on the cake.

Oh do tell, please show me the light as I am clearly ignorant to your superior knowledge….

I’m talking about the elite spec for druid….you tell me, what other spec solely focuses to the extreme on one thing – like druid does with healing….

Celestial form – 4/5 skills involve heal

Staff skills – 3/5 skills involve healing (4/5 if you want to include staff 5 for incoming projectiles turned to heals)…

BOTH Minor traits involve PURELY healing
ALL 3 Major trait choices have something to do with healing

Now I’ll give you glyphs – at least they are diverse…

La Goanna.8142:

PopeUrban.2578:

Couple days in SW and pretty much anybody has a full set of ascended, and there’s no telling what other acquisiton methods they may or may not have added to HoT.

I’d love to know what you’re doing out in the silverwastes because I still have zero ascended armor as far as I’m concerned. Trinkets, sure, but those only come in the sinister variety at the vendor. Crafting for armor and the occasional weapon is still required and it’s still huge grind and money sink. While it may be fine for people like us who’ve been playing the game consistently or on-and-off for over a year, it’s going to scare away the influx of new and returning players

So I’m going to agree with the other user here who claims that raids are going to be completely dead in 5 months or less because of this – even moreso if the rewards themselves are underwhelming and grindy via currencies like fractal relics and so on. They need to scale like fractals so that full exotics can experience it and beat via lower levels, at the very least. Difficulty of the actual boss and gameplay mechanics should be relatively the same, but don’t gate it behind a grindy gear-wall of power creep stats.

Why does anet have to dumb everything down to accomodate players who feel entitled to everything?

For once , can anet get away with saying
“we aren’t going to lower our standards for this particular content (raids), instead, we ask you to step your game up if you want to beat it”…..

Outside of high lvl fractals, EVERYTHING in PvE has been casual (in terms of requirements to beat)…..anet wants to give raids a shot, as the endgame, so let them…

We will see in 6 months if it worked or not… if it doesn’t, don’t worry, all you ppl in exotics, who don’t even want to ATTEMPT to get ascended will have your wish…

From a PvE stand point, outside of Raids, name me a spot where having such a healing focused spec is going to be absolutely necessary hmmm?

Now I’ll give you PvP/WvW – those 2 modes have a wide diversity when it comes to builds/playstyles and druid , along with most other specs, are completely viable….

But from a PvE standpoint…. I fail to see how a druid will be OPTIMAL (outside of raids)….Nothing at this point in PvE requires healing outside of raids….

I don’t think ANY other elite spec focuses on ONE thing like druid got…. Staff, traits , cele form are almost ALL healing focused outside a couple PBAoE CC’s/Condi cleanses….

In terms of support , its not good . period.
Can’t stack might
has little to no stability
has no aura/boonsharing capabilities
has no real good party buffs like other class
has no DPS utilties that buff your party (the original spotter/frost spirit is still better than what druid offers lol)….the list goes on….

The only thing it does excel at over other classes is healing….. spin it how you want, fact is, the best thing druid does is the one thing that is not needed (outside of raids, as of right now… one can hope it will be more useful in the future in other aspects of PvE…)

I’d say even a Ele that is healing/support spec’d is about as good if not better than druid right now for Raids…

for one, aura/shoutshare is something druid lacks and is a big welcome to a big raid party like this…

2, ele’s healing (when spec’d) is pretty darn good as well. By the looks of it, we don’t need THAT big of a focus on 100% healing anyways…

The other VOD I watched of the raid clear was with a full zerker druid lol…healing obviously still useful, but DPS is not something to skip out on….

Taking the Ele’s DPS/Utility compared to druids weak dps but superior healing is definitely debatable… I’m more inclined on Ele being the better role to take if healing takes a much lower priority than expected…

LMAO @ the thought the thieves are the most dangerous class out there….

Please , get real.

They are good at mobility (quick decaps, +1ing teamfights) and ganking a target in teamfights, but thieves go down in an instant if they are caught without stealth for more than a few seconds…..

They lose a lot more duels now with other specs getting buffed….
ALl they can do is get in a few cheap shots/steals , and than they HAVE to stealth out . otherwise they get nuked in 5 secs…. thieves are not scaring anyone nowdays…. they have an extremely niche role (mobility/decaping/ganking a target)….

There are very few good duelers out there with thief to scare anyone in a 1v1 situation….they are not a dangerous class at all….

Been watching the videos that have recently taken down the vale guardian (mind you, theres only a couple out there so this is a small sample size)

But I’m having trouble envisioning a role for ele that is superior to other specs…

None of these raid comps had Ele….

Their DPS is shot with ice bow nerf…

Staff ele AOE isn’t useful in this particular raid boss fight because it was always moving and staff ele is only awesome when mobs stand in the AOE circles, so constant, moving damage is optimal, not AOE…

Support/utility role? uhh no need for ele healer – druid and scrapper has plenty of healing/water fields….might/fury stacking is already taken care of without ele…

Condi spec ele? nope – terrible condi specs….

I’m having a tough time seeing where an ele in raids would be more useful than other specs right now (except maybe a thief…). Anyone else?

This has got to be a troll post…

Like really? raids getting a small portion of the entire map is making you mad??? lol wow…

As if the 4 NEW maps with 3 LAYERS each isn’t enough ??

You realize more open world maps will still be added right and they will most likely be bigger than an extra raid portion that comes a couple times a year…?

Oh and who said anet couldn’t add more map space ?

this is a hysterical complaint…..

Remind you this is just the first raid boss… but I am a little weary of ele/thief use.

Ele’s I could see still being useful…

Thieves? not a chance. Boon stripping/breaking bar is already taken care of…

High uptime for stealth is not needed and even if it was, scrapper can do it now…

Sure thieves can get in there for DPS/blinding purposes…. but honestly, i’d rather have another heavy like a rev/warrior….

Thieves are just outclassed right now….

Prophet.1584:

I think Anet’s going to have to boost the HP on all the bosses for Druid to see any use in old content. also the mechanics in most of the old content is too simplistic to really require constant healing, if the Druid did more dps on staff and burst healing in celestial form it wouldn’t be so bad.

well you know anet seems to have an allergy when it comes to tuning old content…

I fully expect future content to have some tuning that requires a bit more support/healing but for all these past events? not a chance they spend time and resources tuning old stuff when its the future they care about.. not the past.

Malthurius.6870:

SkiTz.4590:

Because offensive stats have a MUCH bigger impact than defensive/support stats in this game….

You don’t think that’s an issue in the game’s design? I personally think it is.

SkiTz.4590:

If anet tunes it to make the raid doable with less DPS – you realize how easy this raid will become?? ~1min remaining on timer with 9 DPS, 1 Support will become like ~3mins left…..

Doable with less dps, but requires more survivability. I have no issues with the difficulty of the fight, just the balance of the composition of the raid required to clear it.

SkiTz.4590:

Again, the more support stats needed = more easy the raid becomes. That is not ANETs goal , and it shouldn’t be….

Right now it’s: more support stats = more difficult.

I personally think that the damage the raid takes should be tuned up, and the hp of the boss tuned down or the time limit increased.

This might just be an insurmountable problem. The raid was great to me, I just think the balance should be tuned up a bit.

I do think its an issue with game design but you need to be realistic… its been that way for 3 years for a reason…..

Right now, more support doesn’t make this raid more difficult…. it makes it LONGER…
The only reason more support can’t beat it is because of the enrage timer… thats not difficulty… thats failing to have good DPS on your team….

More support means would mean you are less likely to wipe….hence, its easier to survive the raid… the only hard part is the DPS check….

It’s tuned fine imo… right now, 2 support 8 DPS could probably beat this raid boss…

Now remember, this is just raid boss 1…. we have more lol, and who knows what kind of specs we will need for those….but as long as enrage timers are in, I fully expect 8-9 DPS geared teams with 1-2 support…

From anets POV, having 2-3 supports is probably the sweet spot… and I think most raiders would agree with that… I don’t expect a 50/50 split between DPS and support at all…..

Druid RELIES on team mates, so its not that high…. itself couldn’t harm a fly (unless you have a specific dueling build you are running), but a typical team conquest druid build isn’t going to spec for 1v1ing….it specs for team support…

Reaper/Chrono/Herald/Scrapper are Tier 1 and its not even REMOTELY close…. all 3 of those are absolutely amazing, bring a lot to the table and have little to no negatives…..

Everyone else is Tier 2 (daredevil is tier 3, sorry thieves, but theres little success in having a non-stealth specs….also, mesmer does everything thieves can minus shortbow 5 quick decaping…)…they all have their pro’s and cons but those Tier 1 specs have a LOT more pros than cons….

Malthurius.6870:

Talyn.3295:

You’re talking like DPS and Support are two completely separate roles.

They aren’t. I main a guardian, and I can tell you that I generally have 3 support utilities slotted, usually two at a min. Along with support Traits despite wearing zerker gear. It isn’t required that people wear Soldier or Clerics or nomads to give support to their team. The wonderful thing about guild wars 2 is that we have never had to choose between DPS and Support.

If they had 1:30 left on the even tankier specs should be able to complete the challenge

You’re still missing the point. Yes, you can support with zerker gear on; yes, you can try to dps with clerics gear on. GW2 doesn’t have static roles, they’re much more fluid. I know this.

When I say ‘build’ I’m talking about their stats; and the timer puts a minimum damage requirement. So a raid needs a certain amount of offensive stats in order to complete the encounter. There is a threshold at some point where the raid can have too little offensive stats to complete the encounter; and I think that threshold might be too high.

I’m glad there was time left on the timer when this particular group cleared it. I’m only voicing my concerns that we may see a situation where only 1 non offensive stat build is acceptable for the raid; I think the balance should allow for more, and it very well might as is, but I think it’s a reasonable concern seeing as the only 2 groups I’ve seen clear it has the same balance of 1 unconventional stat combination and 9 damage stat combinations. My personal group that had quite a few more defensive builds was only able to get the boss to 50% before the timer wiped us.

Because offensive stats have a MUCH bigger impact than defensive/support stats in this game….

If anet tunes it to make the raid doable with less DPS – you realize how easy this raid will become?? ~1min remaining on timer with 9 DPS, 1 Support will become like ~3mins left…..

Again, the more support stats needed = more easy the raid becomes. That is not ANETs goal , and it shouldn’t be….

Malthurius.6870:

Talyn.3295:

Due to active defense in this game we have never been required to carry dead weight if we were good enough to run full glass. Our defensive utilities are not tied to our gear.

Nothing about this should change. If people want to run tanker or healish builds, that is fine, they should have that option, but nothing should require us to take them. That would go against everything this game was sold on.

But that’s the rub. The timer on the boss makes it so that the raid has to achieve a minimum amount of dps to succeed. This is good, I like that, it’s important. But what that does is make it so that if the group has too much defense they cannot succeed. If the current balance is 1 support to 9 dps, then I think it should learn further towards support so more people that enjoy that role can enter the raid and still succeed.

What’s the difference between requiring 9 dps and requiring 3 supports?

Requiring 3 supports makes any thing a joke.
You can make more mistakes and get away with it since you have 3 supports keeping you alive- that’s the difference.

9 DPS and 1 support requires more skill (in terms of staying alive and keeping up the pressure on the boss , as well as requiring a more skillful healer who can keep up with helping 9 team mates alive)

Thats the difference – making raid require more support characters makes it easier. Anet doesn’t want to make it easier.

This raid was done in zerker + sinisters (basically zerker for condi specs) and 1 clerics (the druid)… so yea it was all DPS and 1 healer/tank….remember, warriors and revs are just naturally tanky and have good active defense… they don’t need to be in soldiers gear lol….

You don’t need to wear support gear…. your support comes from traits/skills/utilities…. not from gear….. unlike DPS, where majority of the DPS comes from your gear/food while traits are just icing on the cake…

Every character takes SOME support traits/skills/utilities…. but you can’t substitute that DPS loss with gear change… you have to be in zerker/sinsiter if you want to keep high pressure on the boss and beat the enrage timer.

Druids are going to be important in raids – This NA guild beat the vale guardian and said druid was extremely helpful (VoD below from druid POV)

It was definitely needed , as I watched the whole vod and that druid did amazing keeping up the heals (without a working UI for healthbars no less).
I will say this – druid is absolutely useless for damage , he literally didn’t focus on doing ANY damage at all outside spamming a few skills off CD when needed.

He put out more healing numbers than damage numbers, that is for sure.

Now outside of raids – ehhh , debatable on their usefulness lol.
I personally don’t like the fact druid spec’d healer has to pretty much rely on other ppl… its pretty kitten poor for ANY kind of damage, but its expected.

Clearly they will be useful in raids. I’m waiting to see how useful they will be outside of Raids thou….as of right now, I don’t think they are needed (possibly needed in frac 51-100??)

Nova Stiker.8396:

Exedore.6320:

Jekkt.6045:

after another weekend of testing, what do you people think, is stronghold ready to become the next esl game mode that viewers will enjoy to watch?

No amount of changes will make it that. As a competitive game mode, conquest will always be better no matter how many changes are made to stronghold.

HAHAHAHAHAHAAA. Conquest. Skyhammer says hi.

By design conquest is okay but it completely lacks a good amount of objectives in every map. PvP needs more than brawling it needs various choice making.

If you don’t like it fine, but thinking conquest can take GW2 into Esports is just dumb.

Thinking anything will make GW2 esports is just dumb.

FJSAMA.2867:

Levetty.1279:

I think people asking for Mesmer nerfs should look at what the other elite specs are doing.

Berserker Kill Shot?

Its bugged and hitting twice…. its not a viable spec outside of sniping light armor classes in WvW lol… pretty much trash in PvP and rifle is a joke in PvE…

Chronomancer is the one elite spec that is strong in all facets of the game – its extremely good and the one spec that has little to no negative feedback other than its too strong….

Even the top PvP players are in agreement that chrono is EASILY the strongest elite spec released….

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

SkiTz.4590:

you honest to god believe ppl in a PUG will have someone so dedicated to inspect everyones gear???

Are ppl doing that now in fractal 50 or dung runs? NO

Uh…. yes. People do do this now. Where the hell have you been? We have had a number of threads on the forums complaining about this. A number of threads from people asking specifically for /inspect options to make doing this easier for them.

So uh…yeah, people do this kitten NOW.

In PUGS.

I’ve been PUGGing lvl 49-50 fractals and speed dung runs DAILY for the past 6+ months.

Not a soul has said “ping your gear”….. let alone say "going to check the API to make sure yall are wearing zerk….

stop exaggerating and making this out to be a big deal.

Besides, this is a complete non-issue.

Like I said. Its your fault for joining a PUG with a healing build/clerics that clearly states in their title “zerk/meta build only, speed run”. You are gonna be kicked.

Don’t join the kitten pug if you don’t fit the description/title of the PUG.
Stop acting as if PUGs are in the game to 100% accept everyone. They are freely allowed to accept whoever they want on whatever conditions they prefer. If you don’t like it , too freaking bad. Join another or make your own.

Astralporing.1957:

SkiTz.4590:

Why would anyone check AP for raids when its easier to just check for ascended gear + masteries…. You don’t need AP, that means absolutely NOTHING besides telling everyone you like to do jumping puzzles and explore the world…….

Not AP, but API. The one from GW2efficiency, that lets others see your gear. And some people already mentioned they will be requiring it in their raid runs.

you just like to create nonsense for nothing

you honest to god believe ppl in a PUG… not a guild group/friends but a PUG will have someone so dedicated to inspect everyones gear???

Are ppl doing that now in fractal 50 or dung runs? NO

ITS A PUG. You are overestimating how many SERIOUS raiders are going to PUG a raid…. majority of the ppl will be doing it with their guilds.

The only ones making PUGs for a raid would be ppl that don’t have any time at all for forming a guild group or don’t even have a guild (basically, super casuals)…. and in that case , no one in the freaking PUG is concerned about a gear check….otherwise, they would be in a guild doing the run with guildies instead of randoms….

and IF pp do setup SERIOUS raid runs for a PUG – they will probably state the requirements and trust you have them. If you don’t you will just be kicked, and rightfully so.

It’s simple. If you don’t like what the PUG title/description has, don’t join the PUG. There won’t be any problems at all.

Join one that fits what you are trying to do. If there isn’t one, make one. If you don’t want to make one, go play something else, because at that point, its 100% your problem and no on is here to babysit/hold your hand.

Khisanth.2948:

SkiTz.4590:

My point is, the resources and help the PvP teams have gotten over the past 3 years have been pretty abysmal….

This is slightly amusing because that sentiment is echoed through pretty much every aspect of the game. This leads to the obvious question if ANet isn’t supporting any of the game modes then what he hell have they been doing?

That’s not true… Only WvW and PvP have gotten the short stick when it comes to updates, that is a fact.

Most of the resources anet spends has been gemstore, Living story, or other PvE content related…..

Arlee.7038:

SkiTz.4590:

It only had a growth due to influx from recent F2P players…. but they won’t stick around at all when they realize how little Anet has cared for PvP in the past 3 years….

That is demonstratively not true and if you had quoted ALL of what Colin said you would have seen it wasn’t. Yes F2P did create a huge spike, but PvP has been growing over the entire last year. So no it isn’t all due to F2P.

Of course but F2P has had the biggest impact.

Its been growing over the last year…. specifically when Living season ended…. ppl ran out of stuff to do… hence, more ppl trying out different things like PvP and WvW…

My point is, the resources and help the PvP teams have gotten over the past 3 years have been pretty abysmal….

“fastest growing part of gw2 is PvP” – Colin

Then how about you start supporting it and giving the PvP team better resources to make it better.

Its been a crap show for the past 3 years.
Stop hyping the e-sports nonsense (biggest GW2 tourney in their history couldn’t beat 1 streamer on runescape) and saying “most growing” – It won’t sustain the growth if you don’t give the PvP team better resources and support.

It only had a growth due to influx from recent F2P players…. but they won’t stick around at all when they realize how little Anet has cared for PvP in the past 3 years….

Astralporing.1957:

rivurivurivurivu.3041:

Astralporing.1957:

rivurivurivurivu.3041:

IndigoSundown.5419:

rivurivurivurivu.3041:

don’t get it, why ppl are complaining ?
fractals need ascended gear, raids seems to need it too. whats the problem ?
fractals were the end game for pvers for years and you don’t see ppl complaining about the gear requirement.

There’s no Legendary Armor rewards in FotM, mate.

so ppl are complaining about not having ascended gear to get ascended gear ?
is that it ?

No, not to get ascended gear. To get exclusive rewards (skins, etc). Which seem to get locked out now not only behind skill, time and organizational check, but also behind a gear check on top of that.

aah ok ty
but fractals will also get exclusive skins and will be locked out behind skill, time, organization and gear.
still no one is complaining.

You haven’t been reading forum that much, have you?

Yup, been reading for the 2+ years fractal skins have been added to the game.
Seen very few complaints about exclusive skins in fractals……

If there was some major outcry and serious crapstorm about it, you think anet would have done something by now after 2 years right???

Oh they haven’t because its a NON issue except for extreme casuals who believe they are entitled to every single reward in this game without actually doing the work set out by anet for it.

Zaron.1987:

SkiTz.4590:

Because this particular content and fractal are the only things that require ascended…..

Only one thing in the past 2 years have required gear above normal – fractals. Now they added one more in raids…

nonsense post

raids does NOT require ascended

require =/= recommended

just look up the difference between both!

Ok I just saw that 2 mins after I posted that…
But the point still stands…its probably WISE to wear ascended gear…
I know the difference, full exotic vs full ascended (including infusions) is ~ 12% increase in DPS AND ARMOR.

Xenlai.8694:

SkiTz.4590:

Jesus christ some of you are ridiculously bad at understanding LOWEST HP + LOWEST ARMOR = INSTA DEAD WITHOUT SUSTAIN FROM WATER/ARCANA LINE

Why dont some of you ppl use common sense and logic as to why anet hasn’t nerfed the ele sustain.

if they nerf the sustain you might as well ask them to delete the kitten class because it will literally die when breathed on.

What you need to ask is if anet can fix their rotten core mechanics that have pidgeon holed ele in PvP since day freaking 1 by forcing them to take water/arcane line.

Water/Arcane are pretty much required in ANY ele build that wants to survive longer than 5 seconds. The only ones that don’t use water/arcane are the burst eles , which, if you haven’t noticed, get downed in < 5 secs when focused upon

If anet would actually give other VIABLE OPTIONS other than water/arcane, ele’s might change. until then, you aren’t going to see a change in ele sustain.

“Longer than 5 secons”. Are you serious? Eles are unkillable right now. Stop this nonsense and fix ele already

i said BURST ELES. L2 READ.

Meaning those that don’t typically run water AND arcana….

Those ele’s that dont run water+arcana+cantrips typically go down in 5 secs or less (unless they are extremely talented like phantaram)

You are just a flat out BAD player….I’ve beaten PLENTY of DD eles… they aren’t unkillable at all… they do take longer time to kill but they have to hit their rotations perfectly … your job is to disrupt their rotation if you want to kill them….. seriously, quit whining and play better.

Lonami.2987:

SkiTz.4590:

Lonami.2987:

The elitism in this thread is depressing.

Imagine only a few pro guilds could play inside Eternal Battlegrounds. Imagine only a few top players could play in Legacy of the Foefire. Imagine Super Adventure Box had no baby mode and no continue coins. Imagine only players with at least 20k achievement points could get into new zones.

That’s what you are asking for. To keep “the rest of the scum” outside your special snowflake palace.

In the long run, time will give everyone what they deserve.

In the long run (since GW2 launched) there has been nothing of this sort (except high lvl fractal) so what exactly are you whining about???

99% of the game is your special snowflake already.

Raids are essentially a bigger twist on fractals – requiring ascended gear and coordinated group play and a bigger group – Thats it. how is that some massive , restrictive wall, that you can’t push through.

While I hate elitism , extreme casualism is just as toxic, if not, more.
99% of the game catered to you isn’t enough. Seems anet has to make sure its 100% to satisfy you huh.

An easy mode for raids wouldn’t affect hard mode raids in any way.

Yet you don’t want it, and want to force everyone out.

This doesn’t happen in any other mode of the entire game. None. Yet you want raids to be only for you.

I think it’s pretty clear who’s the special snowflake here.

PS: You compare it to fractals? Let me laugh. FotM are the most accesible content of the game, because they have difficulty levels.

But I guess farming braindead content for the best gear really requires skill!

High level fractals 40+ require more than average gear… I wasn’t talking about the basic levels of fractals. You aren’t completeing level fractal 50 without ascended…period.

If anet wants to add easy mode they would but they know that means making the rewards different. If they make hard mode rewards better than easy mode, than guess what, you will be right back here whining and complaining.

You already have easy mode – its coming in 4 maps with 3 different levels per map…. its called open world content.

DarkSpirit.7046:

SkiTz.4590:

DarkSpirit.7046:

SkiTz.4590:

Linfang.1087:

Calcifire.1864:

I have a horrible feeling that it’s going to result in “full ascended or kick” being the norm in the same way that “full zerker only” became a thing, except in this case, it can’t be fixed by throwing a trivial amount of gold at it

But why even stop there?!

Full Ascended will only get you an invite and a foot into the raid instance. You forgot other vital things we need to check on.

You have full Ascended but your ping runs in the triple digits because you are thousands of miles away from the nearest server hub. You also have a history of disconnects.

-kick-

You have full Ascended, but your Dinosaur PC and Video card turn raid encounters into a slide show. This results in delayed skills and reactions to what is going on in game. Also your game can crash at times. Cya!

-kick-

Full Ascended but you area “clicker”! You have not invested in a MMO mouse and/or keyboard with fast and easy access to hot keys. Farewell!

-kick-

We need your API link to GW2efficiency , We need to know your AP. Please link all consumables, no voice chat software? -kick kick kick-

I really can’t wait till these elitist to declare Marshall Law and have a check list and clip board on hand ready to inspect and pre approve you. When my guild already entered the Instance 20 mins ago and took down the boss of the first wing already. hah!

hahaha, this is fun.
Exaggerate much????

You think raids going to require a gaming mouse/keyboard? thats comical.
IF i was doing competitive PvP – MAYBE for the competitive advantage and faster APM… but for PvE content? designed by ANET!!? Come on…. you are really reaching here.

Why would anyone check AP for raids when its easier to just check for ascended gear + masteries…. You don’t need AP, that means absolutely NOTHING besides telling everyone you like to do jumping puzzles and explore the world…….

You make it sound as if this was meant to be something that you can easily PUG.

Not a chance some uncoordinated PUG completes this until MUCH LATER DOWN THE ROAD after there is a well designed strategy guide that most ppl can follow and understand.

Raids are better done with a guild , not random players who will probably end up trolling. You have to be desperate to try and PUG something like a raid….you are not going to succeed at all until theres a well developed strategy for raids.

Yes people would still PUG for Raids, I can promise you that. Why? Because people still PUG in the hardest areas of GW1.

Furthermore not everyone has an active guild that has all 12 players always ready and willing to do the content that they want at any time.

People are also going to attempt to LFG using their characters with exotics, get kicked, then complain about it bitterly in this forums.

Why would they get kicked? Because now everyone knows that the Raid content is balanced around ascended, not exotic equipment. And many players do not want to waste their time partying with some stranger with inferior equipment, for a very hard content that is balanced around the best equipment in the game.

I said ppl are not going to PUG UNTIL a good strategy has been created so that everyone has a good chance at beating it

No one is stopping you from trying to PUG it from day 1 of release but chances are slim of any pug successfully beating it before guilds do.

Also, you deserve to be kicked if you join a LFG that has in their title “ascended only” and you decide “well I have exotics, I can join this LFG that says ascended, i’ll be fine”

Join or create a PUG that says “casual, slow run, exotics are fine” than you won’t be kicked.

Why should there be an LFG that says “ascended only” when the devs promised that this game would not be about gear treadmill, but skill?

Casuals, not having the best equipment, need hardcore players to help them through the hardest content in this game, but most of the time people are not willing to spend time to help others.

Because this particular content and fractal are the only things that require ascended…..
Hence, its proabably a good idea to have a group that mets the basic requirements….

You joined fully well knowing that you don’t have the basic requirements. Why on earth would you join than?

It’s like joining a dung run that clearly says “zerk, speed run” but you decide to play some shaman gear based build and casually play the dung. You think you won’t be kicked for that?? Don’t join the PUG if you don’t feel like doing what the title of that particular PUG says…..make your own that satisifes how you wanna play…. and if you don’t wanna do that, then thats your own bloody problem, not anets.

99% of this game can be PUG’d in basic gear. Only one thing in the past 2 years have required gear above normal – fractals. Now they added one more in raids…. Wow… that sure is a lot in 3+ years!

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Zanther Deathbringer.4762:

Map chat in a video game is now being compared to physically abusing a child

No, the child abusing the parent. (not the other way around, that’s a different topic) Which is now somehow ok. Just like how verbal sewage in a game is somehow ‘ok’ because “its the internet dood”

The point is, some people defend these things as ‘ok’ and they aren’t. They should never be ok. They should never be defended by spouting crap like “grow thicker skin” or “its the internet” That kitten is irrelevant. Our easy acceptance of this type of crap is wrong (and terrifying). What moral or value do we sacrifice next?

No one says is OK.
You need to get back to reality. This is a kitten video game that probably has kids playing and kids gonna act like kids. All you can do here is report , block, ignore and move on.

I’m not playing a kitten video game to play Gandhi and teach kids about morals and whats right and wrong.

This isn’t school or real life where you can actually do meaningful teaching.
This is a video game, you expect kids are playing to listen to some adult teach them about morals? GET REAL.

Its a game – ignore/block and move the hell on and get back to playing.

But if you wanna play Parent and teach MAP CHAT on how to act like adults, by all means go ahead.

Thats the reality of this situation.

DarkSpirit.7046:

SkiTz.4590:

Linfang.1087:

Calcifire.1864:

I have a horrible feeling that it’s going to result in “full ascended or kick” being the norm in the same way that “full zerker only” became a thing, except in this case, it can’t be fixed by throwing a trivial amount of gold at it

But why even stop there?!

Full Ascended will only get you an invite and a foot into the raid instance. You forgot other vital things we need to check on.

You have full Ascended but your ping runs in the triple digits because you are thousands of miles away from the nearest server hub. You also have a history of disconnects.

-kick-

You have full Ascended, but your Dinosaur PC and Video card turn raid encounters into a slide show. This results in delayed skills and reactions to what is going on in game. Also your game can crash at times. Cya!

-kick-

Full Ascended but you area “clicker”! You have not invested in a MMO mouse and/or keyboard with fast and easy access to hot keys. Farewell!

-kick-

We need your API link to GW2efficiency , We need to know your AP. Please link all consumables, no voice chat software? -kick kick kick-

I really can’t wait till these elitist to declare Marshall Law and have a check list and clip board on hand ready to inspect and pre approve you. When my guild already entered the Instance 20 mins ago and took down the boss of the first wing already. hah!

hahaha, this is fun.
Exaggerate much????

You think raids going to require a gaming mouse/keyboard? thats comical.
IF i was doing competitive PvP – MAYBE for the competitive advantage and faster APM… but for PvE content? designed by ANET!!? Come on…. you are really reaching here.

Why would anyone check AP for raids when its easier to just check for ascended gear + masteries…. You don’t need AP, that means absolutely NOTHING besides telling everyone you like to do jumping puzzles and explore the world…….

You make it sound as if this was meant to be something that you can easily PUG.

Not a chance some uncoordinated PUG completes this until MUCH LATER DOWN THE ROAD after there is a well designed strategy guide that most ppl can follow and understand.

Raids are better done with a guild , not random players who will probably end up trolling. You have to be desperate to try and PUG something like a raid….you are not going to succeed at all until theres a well developed strategy for raids.

Yes people would still PUG for Raids, I can promise you that. Why? Because people still PUG in the hardest areas of GW1.

Furthermore not everyone has an active guild that has all 12 players always ready and willing to do the content that they want at any time.

People are also going to attempt to LFG using their characters with exotics, get kicked, then complain about it bitterly in this forums.

Why would they get kicked? Because now everyone knows that the Raid content is balanced around ascended, not exotic equipment. And many players do not want to waste their time partying with some stranger with inferior equipment, for a very hard content that is balanced around the best equipment in the game.

I said ppl are not going to PUG UNTIL a good strategy has been created so that everyone has a good chance at beating it

No one is stopping you from trying to PUG it from day 1 of release but chances are slim of any pug successfully beating it before guilds do.

Also, you deserve to be kicked if you join a LFG that has in their title “ascended only” and you decide “well I have exotics, I can join this LFG that says ascended, i’ll be fine”

Join or create a PUG that says “casual, slow run, exotics are fine” than you won’t be kicked.

Jesus christ some of you are ridiculously bad at understanding LOWEST HP + LOWEST ARMOR = INSTA DEAD WITHOUT SUSTAIN FROM WATER/ARCANA LINE

Why dont some of you ppl use common sense and logic as to why anet hasn’t nerfed the ele sustain.

if they nerf the sustain you might as well ask them to delete the kitten class because it will literally die when breathed on.

What you need to ask is if anet can fix their rotten core mechanics that have pidgeon holed ele in PvP since day freaking 1 by forcing them to take water/arcane line.

Water/Arcane are pretty much required in ANY ele build that wants to survive longer than 5 seconds. The only ones that don’t use water/arcane are the burst eles , which, if you haven’t noticed, get downed in < 5 secs when focused upon

If anet would actually give other VIABLE OPTIONS other than water/arcane, ele’s might change. until then, you aren’t going to see a change in ele sustain.

So…. you are essentially asking, why do condi’s even exists in this game?? or better players exists?

I’ve beaten plenty of mesmers 1v1 on my ranger /warrior but they have also beaten me too…

Sometimes, the other guy is just better than you. Period.

Lonami.2987:

The elitism in this thread is depressing.

Imagine only a few pro guilds could play inside Eternal Battlegrounds. Imagine only a few top players could play in Legacy of the Foefire. Imagine Super Adventure Box had no baby mode and no continue coins. Imagine only players with at least 20k achievement points could get into new zones.

That’s what you are asking for. To keep “the rest of the scum” outside your special snowflake palace.

In the long run, time will give everyone what they deserve.

In the long run (since GW2 launched) there has been nothing of this sort (except high lvl fractal) so what exactly are you whining about???

99% of the game is your special snowflake already.

Raids are essentially a bigger twist on fractals – requiring ascended gear and coordinated group play and a bigger group – Thats it. how is that some massive , restrictive wall, that you can’t push through.

While I hate elitism , extreme casualism is just as toxic, if not, more.
99% of the game catered to you isn’t enough. Seems anet has to make sure its 100% to satisfy you huh.

Zanther Deathbringer.4762:

Rashagar.8349:

This should probably get locked soon.

The personal-assumption-based name-calling has begun.

It should have been locked after the first post.

Agreed, there shouldn’t even be a thread about this kind of stuff…. its absolutely comical and irrelevant…

If something bothers you that much, block and report. Move on.

Its a video game. They tend to have kids/teens playing and guess what, they will probably act like kids!!. Is this a new concept to ppl now?

Teenagers gonna act like teenagers. L2ignore, you logon gw2 to play the game, not read map chat.

Linfang.1087:

Calcifire.1864:

I have a horrible feeling that it’s going to result in “full ascended or kick” being the norm in the same way that “full zerker only” became a thing, except in this case, it can’t be fixed by throwing a trivial amount of gold at it

But why even stop there?!

Full Ascended will only get you an invite and a foot into the raid instance. You forgot other vital things we need to check on.

You have full Ascended but your ping runs in the triple digits because you are thousands of miles away from the nearest server hub. You also have a history of disconnects.

-kick-

You have full Ascended, but your Dinosaur PC and Video card turn raid encounters into a slide show. This results in delayed skills and reactions to what is going on in game. Also your game can crash at times. Cya!

-kick-

Full Ascended but you area “clicker”! You have not invested in a MMO mouse and/or keyboard with fast and easy access to hot keys. Farewell!

-kick-

We need your API link to GW2efficiency , We need to know your AP. Please link all consumables, no voice chat software? -kick kick kick-

I really can’t wait till these elitist to declare Marshall Law and have a check list and clip board on hand ready to inspect and pre approve you. When my guild already entered the Instance 20 mins ago and took down the boss of the first wing already. hah!

hahaha, this is fun.
Exaggerate much????

You think raids going to require a gaming mouse/keyboard? thats comical.
IF i was doing competitive PvP – MAYBE for the competitive advantage and faster APM… but for PvE content? designed by ANET!!? Come on…. you are really reaching here.

Why would anyone check AP for raids when its easier to just check for ascended gear + masteries…. You don’t need AP, that means absolutely NOTHING besides telling everyone you like to do jumping puzzles and explore the world…….

You make it sound as if this was meant to be something that you can easily PUG.

Not a chance some uncoordinated PUG completes this until MUCH LATER DOWN THE ROAD after there is a well designed strategy guide that most ppl can follow and understand.

Raids are better done with a guild , not random players who will probably end up trolling. You have to be desperate to try and PUG something like a raid….you are not going to succeed at all until theres a well developed strategy for raids.

Shadowstep.6049:

I lately decided to play thief like Anet wanted us to play thieves – avoid fights and cap empty points. So i did few of those matches. Now i made rather interesting observations in those matches (note i wasn’t engaging any fights):
- my team could reaaaalllllyyy rarely win team fights, but usually not, even those that were in their favor
- most scores went around 100-500 in enemy favor
- i had usually (second) highest score on the board (not that it matters, but point is i did contribute to team in thief ways)

I know it would be rather not completely right assumption but by the look of it the game actually expects me to carry the rest of those 400ish points by myself. I am actually expected to win team fights for the team, even those that are favorable for them. Why is this even the case?
I understand that me not joining fights may have negative effect on outcome (althrough during those fights i was capping something anyway) BUT the score shouldn’t be THAT low just because 1 member is rather capping points instead of fighting in big fights.

I have had games in the past when i actually had good team but we had one Dc that never came back. If the team was good we actually would sometimes win or at least score was pretty close. The matches from yesterday were however very lopsided. Which leaves me to think that game gives you very bad odds and expects you to carry like 2-3 people would if you want to win the match. That is really wrong on many levels.

You should probably watch real thief players because you are not playing to help win.

Capping empty points is one of the last things you need to worry about.

Thieves don’t actively avoid fights…. you don’t know your role at all, and i’m glad I haven’t seen you on my team.

You are literally saying you actively make it 4v5 since you try to avoid fighting and just run around capping empty points…. news flash, when there is a team fight going on and its 2v3, you need to hop in and help (unless both your mates are downed).
or help +1 at another point. you did a pretty poor job if you did what you descibed…..

DarkSpirit.7046:

SkiTz.4590:

DarkSpirit.7046:

Kitty.1502:

This was expected for me, if they want raids to be difficult that means they need to balance around the best equipment other wise those with ascended would have a much easier time.

The best equipment should be exotic not ascended.

Ascended is only for those players with crafters. Non-crafters can’t make ascended weapons/armor. Not everyone likes crafting.

Furthermore, this game has gone the route of the elitists who would kick anyone from their team whose equipment is not up to par and ascended armor and weapons are still too expensive for most players.

Exotics work just fine in 99 percent of the game
You really gonna complain that 2 things in pve (high lvl fracs and raids) require ascended???
Elitism is equally toxic as extreme casualism

If they add tiers of gear above ascended or make every future content based on ascended, you can freely complain and i could see the concern there….but this is ridiculous.

in the 3+ years this game has been active, only fractals and soon raids have required above normal gear…. Wow.. That sure screams anet is going towards favoring elites……

This is why I would never recommend casual players to buy HoT.

They don’t care about the casual player community who can’t afford all these pricey ascended items to access Raid content! And no party would want them because they are not decked out in ascended equipment!

Totally, i mean theres no other content in this game besides raids right?everything is catered to elites now huh?….
Lets just casually forget about the 4 massive open world maps with 3 layers each they
Are adding, or the new LS season that continues as well as personal story line…

Otaur.9268:

Legendary Gear as rewards from Raids will have Switchable Stats as described at TwitchCon…

Same thing as legendary weapons thats been in the game since launch…. Thats not a power creep, its still ascended tier, with a quality of life perk…this type of stuff has been in the game since launch….

DarkSpirit.7046:

Kitty.1502:

This was expected for me, if they want raids to be difficult that means they need to balance around the best equipment other wise those with ascended would have a much easier time.

The best equipment should be exotic not ascended.

Ascended is only for those players with crafters. Non-crafters can’t make ascended weapons/armor. Not everyone likes crafting.

Furthermore, this game has gone the route of the elitists who would kick anyone from their team whose equipment is not up to par and ascended armor and weapons are still too expensive for most players.

Exotics work just fine in 99 percent of the game
You really gonna complain that 2 things in pve (high lvl fracs and raids) require ascended???
Elitism is equally toxic as extreme casualism

If they add tiers of gear above ascended or make every future content based on ascended, you can freely complain and i could see the concern there….but this is ridiculous.

in the 3+ years this game has been active, only fractals and soon raids have required above normal gear…. Wow.. That sure screams anet is going towards favoring elites……

Windsagio.1340:

Still looking for an answer:

How does this ‘requirement’ make practical sense to people?

Anybody who’s played much of the upper end content knows how tiny the effective change is.

Why don’t you bloody wait until the full details of the raids, requirements, mechanics, etc are released???

You think anyone has an answer right now? besides anet obviously.

For all we know, masteries could boost ascended gear only in raids and that is why they would be require.

Who knows. Wait and found out.

Randulf.7614:

Coulter.2315:

You’ve had years to get Ascended I can’t believe suddenly now you’re upset you might not be doing your best in group content (cause you clearly haven’t

“We” have, but what about new and future players?

Who on earth said raids are for new players?

anet specifically stated this was their end game addition to the game.

You think a fresh lvl 80 is going to be able to do high lvl fractals or raids? NO.

They will eventually get there thou, seeing how its the only 2 things in the entire PvE system that have progression.

Astralporing.1957:

…And now they added a gear check to the raids as well. Great job Anet, what a wonderful idea. [/sarcasm]

two things (raids and fractals) out of the past 3 years with a gear check…. o my…the end of the game as we know it is happening…

this is just a terrible idea and anet will fail now….

Its great that you know so much more and seem more knowledgeable than anet. I trust in your superior judgement [/sarcasm]

Astralporing.1957:

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IndigoSundown.5419:

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don’t get it, why ppl are complaining ?
fractals need ascended gear, raids seems to need it too. whats the problem ?
fractals were the end game for pvers for years and you don’t see ppl complaining about the gear requirement.

There’s no Legendary Armor rewards in FotM, mate.

so ppl are complaining about not having ascended gear to get ascended gear ?
is that it ?

No, not to get ascended gear. To get exclusive rewards (skins, etc). Which seem to get locked out now not only behind skill, time and organizational check, but also behind a gear check on top of that.

Shocker, its not easy so ppl like you start complaining and voicing your concerns on “why can’t i just get what i want, how I want, instead of playing by anet’s rule”

its endgame content , its the most challenging content anet has created to date…
You think you should be able to waltz in with a fresh lvl 80 char in yellows/oranges and get access to the all the rewards with no effort at all huh?

As stated by anet – this is what they wanted to create in terms of their vision of “endgame”

endgame content (fracs,raids) requiring endgame gear (ascended) – logical..don’t see a problem here.

Skill,time and organizational gate…right lets have the most challenging thing anet created become so simple that you can just pug and sleep through it like its CoF1.

Get a clue dude, this content isn’t just another freaking open world map or mini dung….theres plenty of that coming your way for all you “easy , laid back” players.

LOL if you think anet is gonna spend time and resources creating NEW balances/mechanics for raids….

raids are for EVERYONE, so long as they are willing to work for it and meet the requirements (which aren’t unreasonable at all). NO ONE IS STOPPING YOU.
The only one is YOURSELF. So its 100% YOUR PROBLEM if you don’t like the current system

terrible idea. Luckily anet isn’t following this logic….