Guild Wars 2

Hey kitten, guardians have godlike boons and group support/tankiness that make them a top tier frontliner…..

You think druids got aegis and stability and all the goodies guardian has??

Stop acting as if druid is strictly better…. all it is a freaking healbot with some minor PBAoE CC…..

Now I’ll happily give guardians the druid spec if anet would give rangers an alternative….. if you were to tell me the best role a ranger was going to have is a healbot, I would not have made it my main.

Daniel Handler.4816:

We can’t hit people inside keeps anymore >.< I don’t get the reasoning behind the change.

Why the heck do you have on a scepter in WvW when staff is 100 times better….?? unless you are solo roaming around looking for duels/1v1s…

Xillllix.3485:

No they didn’t, cleansing had to be nerfed on ele not burning. Burning had to be a global nerf.

And Frost bow should just have been made an elite skill since all our elites are kitten.

Thank the lord you aren’t in charge of balance than

If you touch the Ele’s sustain (water, cleansing, cantrip and regen) you might as well delete the class….. they would die within 2 secs from a thief/mesmer out of stealth….

You are clueless.

Ele’s have had this sustain for years.

Why did all the QQ start about cele ele being OP again recently? BECAUSE OF BURN CHANGE and OP FIRE LINE SYNERGY.

Classes can have great sustain at the cost of damage or vice versa. Cele Ele DD Had great sustain AND great DPS.

The DPS needed to go. If you kill the sustain, you kill ele.
Hitting the fire line is fine and opens up air/earth…. which gives a bit of diversity in our choices…. previously it was 100% fire because of its OPness…..

This was the correct call.

Zenith.7301:

Thz.7569:

I’m actually quite happy. They said in the beginnign of the stream that it was done with no additional stats. What this means is, you can STILL do good dps (Rev staff) while having great utility.

This is a big win for the Ranger community; Don’t be babies about this.

Rev staff isn’t good DPS lol.

You PvP people don’t have half a clue about PvE.

This is why we need DPS meters so people like you can be quiet.

Why don’t you go play an MMORPG that actually has good PvE content instead of this spam buttons off cooldown, stack in a corner, run full dps gear and win???

Purecura.1795:

Dradiin.8935:

iKeostuKen.2738:

Why cant you do both dps and heal, like being a hyrbid?

Its not like you lost access to other weapons and traits. Even the Staff 1 was pumping out some decent damage.

Have you seen how garbage your damage is with healer runes/sigils/accessories ? If you want to even remotely deal decent damage you dress for success.

I think all of you who are celebrating the new Druid revelation do not seriously main as a ranger.

If i was interested in main healing i seriously doubted i would have made a ranger 3 years ago. I more than likely would have expected my Guardian to be the main heals.

stop being so negative. #ByeFelicia

You know whats really negative? acting as if this is 100% a positive change that was needed.

News flash, this just pidgeon holed ranger into a specific role – healing.

You think ranger will be good at any other role? or needed in any other role???? NO

Our damage remains medicore , Our Pets remain mediocre and we are forced to spec into druid now in order to even get the new mechanic (celestial form)…..

If you had visions of becoming a healer, your wish was granted.

Others created ranger thinking they might be a great long range DPS / Utility class…. instead, we got either become a healer or stay medicore.

YOU need to stop being negative and acting as if everything is 100% awesome..

It maybe for you, but not for others.

A lot of rangers didn’t create and main this class in hopes of becoming some “healer”

Wuselknusel.4082:

cafard.8953:

Purecura.1795:

Screw the haters, ANYWAYS Iam so HAPPY TO BE A HEALER NOW! WHat GEAR WILL I NEED?

NOMAD DRUID META FTW!

YAY! FOR THE ULTIMATE I-STAND-IN-A-CORNER-AND-COMPLETELY-RELY-ON-OTHERS-TO-KILL-STUFF-FOR-ME FEELING!

It’s gonna be sad really – our pets will be out dpsing nomad druids lmao

Why not both???

They both could be teamed up to create so much healing, jesus would be jealous

Wuselknusel.4082:

Purecura.1795:

Screw the haters, ANYWAYS Iam so HAPPY TO BE A HEALER NOW! WHat GEAR WILL I NEED?

ZERKER GEAR!

hahahaha. perfect answer. Well played sir.

Warcry.1596:

According to ArenaNet, the Berserker meta will NOT work. Druid will be amazing because of this. Druid has the possibility to be the most used specialization… At least the most needed

loll no they didn’t say anything close to that….

They just said berserker meta won’t work IN RAIDS.

Everything else in PvE doesn’t look like it will need healing/support specs lol…. (unless fractal lvl 100 is OP as heck, but I doubt it)

Zerk will remain meta….everywhere outside of raids…so there you go, at least druid will be heavily wanted somewhere in PvE….

ShaolinX.8673:

I will also add my disappointment with some others here… it certainly does seem like we have been given the heal role, and that will be the de facto standard if we want a spot in raids or even WvW. Others have said it already, but I don’t really enjoy being pigeonholed into a role. I am grateful we received ‘a’ role, now, but why can’t we provide really competitive ranged DPS and still have some valuable utility support? How is that asking too much?

This also seems a bit contradictory regarding elite specs generally, where the vernacular seems a bit inappropriate — elite does not equate better, according to Anet, just a different, transformative playstyle and option (unless I was reading the dev feedback incorrectly). People wanting to stick with the regular specs should be able to, and still be viable.

Let’s see what the skill rebalancing preview brings… I am hoping for something good, for us long suffering ranger mains.

This….

I know a lot of rangers are happy they now have a great role and will be in demand for some game modes…. but its been dragged into “play this role, or continue to suck”

Outside of a healing druid – ranger will remain medicore/below average

Amante.8109:

SkiTz.4590:

Re roll classes boys…

Or speak with your wallet and don’t buy the expansion until they AT LEAST address some of these major concerns head on.

If you keep throwing your money at them every time they do something wrong, they’re never going to learn. That’s basic economics.

well they got at least 6+ elite specs right and dropped the ball on a few…. mistakes happens….
Unfortunately, thief was one of the ones they completely dropped the ball on…

There’s more to the xpac than elite specs thou……

Hexalot.8194:

wolfgang.3471:

So, Rubi asks " we have seen the ranger forums and ranger is not in a good place – what do you think about this"

WHY IS THIS NOT BEING SAID FOR THIEF WTF

Haven’t you been following the elite spec reveals ?

Ruby currently loves her thief and is very forthright about it.

Rubi – god bless her soul – is about as casual of a player as you can get.

You think she dwells deep into the root of the problem and look at systematically like some of the serious thief mains? no, she logins and just plays around, has fun, which means, in her eyes, thief is fine. You ask any casual player, they will say “yea i love my class, its awesome! theres nothing wrong with it at all!”

You can do that in this game so long as you don’t care about being competitive .

Re roll classes boys…

This is the nail in the coffin for a lot of thief mains….

Officially, the worst spec in HoT and its not even CLOSE….(maybe tempest but eles are in a really good spot as it is….thieves arent)

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Puck.9612:

screw the glyphs, screw the staff. Going old school condi ranger with the druid trait line to be immortal in PvP. Condi’s on me? Lolz let me just drop 13 of them and full heal with celestial form/

Oh and I hope they are actually giving pets condi damage since they all seem to be so condi focused now

Settler Amulet… Wow.

Druid is going to be an absolute filthy in PvP….its gonna be a kitten for the PvP team to balance now since the healing numbers are guarnateed to be changing… theres no way healing will be allowed to be this OP in sPvP….

Tragic Positive.9356:

Kailee.8790:

Tragic, You must be ill-informed

As a ranger we were already given subpar dps because we have a pet – Necromancers got pet without the hit to dps

We used bows, dps got slapped to encourage melee combat, melee dmg will ALWAYS be higher

Our animations got tweaked and bugged for some of our melee weapons and now they dont work well.

and now they pigeon hole into a role which every other class is capable of doing in one way or another…

It shows that they didnt listen nor do they care

I’m not sure if I am the one ill-informed if you are the one who suggests that Rangers are supposed to play Longbow for PvE only.

As for PvP goes – we are the most tanky Zerk class atm. We lacked most of things, but we were told that most of base Ranger stuff is going to be addressed as well.

O my…. please… next time you have a thought, let it go.

Rangers aren’t even CLOSE to the top DPS in ANYTHING.
If your talking about that condi burn /trap in PvE which takes over 20 secs to ramp up the damage + the boss staying inside your flame trap/fields……than you are still mistaken

top zerk tank? um no, both zerk guardians and warrior are miles tankier…..just because you have signet of stone (long kitten CD) and a block on GS and taunt doesn’t mean you are tank……

Zerk rangers get HILARIOUSLY destroyed in PvP, not even a question about it.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Aomine.5012:

Rejoice for what? Being shafted to a healing class?

I really really HATE that type of play-style..

Extremely disappointed..
This is not the reason I play ranger…

don’t use staff then, simple.

Than whats the point of the druid spec line? no point in that spec line if you don’t want to be a healer…. that entire line, along with the celestial form and the staff is healing 80% healing based…..

Dragon pet is the one thing to be announced so far that 100% of the ranger community is happy about… those things look freaking amazing.

This is what ranger needed…. to turn into a freaking healing fairy.

I was excited for celestialform…. but cmon… staff was plenty of healing and you focus EVEN MORE HEALING into the new form…. great…

we just got pidgeonholed into 1 great role (healing/support only)

you either take the red pill and stay with your medicore roles (condi, power, trapper, etc)…. or take the blue pill and become a healing/support god….

staff 3 and 4 look amazing….. 10 sec blink on staff 3 is straight up OP….

staff 5 is a nice twist on reflect

heavy healing LOL… gg… officially a support class now.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

MirrorOfNature.4279:

…On the other side, i’ve played against many good rangers, who knows how to handle their weapon sets and utilities and they can kill you fairly quickly by going with the right rotations…

Ranger doesn’t really have rotations, each skill has a opportunity and utility cost and making use of them at the correct times is what makes a Ranger good.

Agreed.

You wanna see rotations? look at dd ele… that is rotations…. ranger has nothing like that…

The skills on our weapon sets are not well designed… (in terms of synergy)

look at Shortbow…. all you do is spam auto attack and 2,4 on CD….you don’t need to properly chain anything in most of our weapons…

Lb you can do Lb 4 into rapid fire… thats about the only synergy there…

GS has 1 rotation – swoop into hilt bash into maul… than block if you need to.

Our 1h wep sets are the least synergy…..nothing to chain at all… just spam your condis off cooldown…. for sword….spam auto attack and use 3 at will offcooldown…2 is mostly utility…

bloodpyrope.8630:

Puck.9612:

bloodpyrope.8630:

I can’t believe I have to wait for this Quaggan show to end first…what were they thinking? All those new prospective players are probably running in the opposite direction by now.

Yuuuuup. I just opened up twitch to see if they were talking about anything interesting and saw that crap. Closed it right back up.

I’m sure glad they’re focusing on the important stuff first.

Well, to be fair they have to throw a bone to the vet players. And for some reason the community IS obsessed with quaggans.

It just…doesn’t seem like a good time/place to show it. Especially if they’re trying to lure in new players by throwing in this creepy VHS thing at them.

eh…only a certain part of the community is obsessed (the super casual, role play loving community….)
Most people don’t care about penguins on crack crossed with dophins on meth

Nicknobreak.7543:

bloodpyrope.8630:

I can’t believe I have to wait for this Quaggan show to end first…what were they thinking? All those new prospective players are probably running in the opposite direction by now.

Ummmm… That Quaggan bit was freaking GOLD. 10/10.

To each their own…. seems childish and utterly pointless to me….could have filled that slot with some kind of new preview or something…. instead we get random bumbling from a quaggan that obviously smoked too much seaweed….

Sicarius.4639:

Using the Ranger to show the rest of the content so they can say we spent a whole hour showing Ranger, instead of an in-dept analysis of the class.

You honestly believe ANYONE at anet knows how to give in-depth analysis on RANGER????

They can’t even give a normal, level headed analysis of ranger.

Rizo.9534:

What is bad about rangers in sPvP?

We can Hold point, we can do Damage, we can do allot of things, BUT!
Every other class can do it too, and Every class can do it better and will fit more roles in one build, than ranger.

No matter what build you make, other classes will be more effective in teamfights, that ranger.

These is most sad part.

Except in 1v1s with no escapes, fight to death!!
That is where ranger is top… dueling 1v1 to the death

Harrier.9380:

Phil.8901:

We’ll see but I think complaints will be super high.

I hope i will be wrong.

We’re on MMO game forums. People will complain no matter what happens.

Honest question, does anet even allocate enough resources to the PvP team to have internal testing??

How on earth does an obvious bug like that go unfixed for such a LONG PERIOD OF TIME…. its amazing really. I continue to be impressed at how little the higher ups at NCsoft/anet care about the PvP team….

Even high level players (heselth in particulur lol) have been screaming about MMR
issues for years!

Its just….idk…disheartening to see it take THIS LONG to figure out problems and implement solutions…. and its all because anet/NCsoft suits don’t really give a rat’s kitten about PvP…..from balancing to issues like this, to simple stuff that should have been implemented from the get go like map voting….

I’m glad this is particular issue is being resolved (better late than never right?) but don’t expect a pat on the back….this is something that should have been figured out AGES ago….

Grow some thicker skin my goodness….

that’s what wrong in this world….“he/she said a mean thing to me!!! My feelings are hurt!”

Grow up , seriously.
Block and move on (report if its so unbearable), its not that freaking hard.

It’s one line on a chat window, in a MMORPG, in a monitor/display…. and you got your feelings hurt FROM THAT? Enough to take your time and create a thread about it , to let the world know someone cussed you out?? Lord have mercy.

Behellagh.1468:

SkiTz.4590:

Black lion key is not something you farm. Its something you stumble upon accidently.
same as a precursor.

Its purely an RNG item, its not even an actual reward.

Not only is the chance for a BL key worse than awful, the chance you even get something useful out of the black lion chest is probably even smaller lol.

When you have system that is RNG (black lion chest goodies) WITHIN ANOTHER SYSTEM OF RNG (getting the black lion key drop) , you have something that is UTTERLY and HILARIOUSLY greedy….

What was anet’s motive for the black lion key change? they don’t like farmers. PERIOD.

They want ppl in the gemstore buying the black lion key with real $$, they don’t want ppl farming the key through drops or story completion. That is a fact.

Oh yea anet increased the chances alright.

going from .0005% drop rate to .0010% drop rate is still laughable.

If you think this MMORPG has a good loot system in place where players can farm items they want, you are delusional.

all you do is farm gold at the best rate possible (silverwastes/daily dung speed run/ and chest/champ train) than buy whatever it is you are looking for. You don’t actually go out and have this hope of getting real loot, real drops…

Except BL Keys are primarily acquire via the Gem Shop. It’s an occasional reward as other Gem Shop items are from other activities and included as a very rare random drop in PvE.

You make it sound like drops are the primary method of getting them.

BL keys were primarily acquired from the key run…..(making a new character and getting it to the personal story step for the free key, deleting the character and repeating… ~20 min run after you get experienced with it)

Anet just killed that for obvious reasons (they want users spending $$$ for the keys instead of the farming run)..

Rizo.9534:

SkiTz.4590:

No ones priority is to worry about such a trash tier class lol. Could care less if ppl think its OP or underwhelming. Every class cries nerf or too OP regarding every other profession except theirs lol.

No one’s priority at twitchcon is freaking druid. Especially anet lol. Thats why its first on the reveal list. They want to get this crap out of the way so they can get into the more important stuff.

Disagree with you.
Druid Concept and animation was ready half year ago.
Why do you think they hold it until the last? If there are nothing to show, they’ll never move it to the end! Especially on Twitch CON!
Why people go on twitch con? To excite more people, to promote game and to earn more potential players.

Why they not chose CrapOmancer? DragonHunter? Daredevil? Berserker? Tempest?(LoL temest xD)? Reaper?
Revenant can fit too, but without proper beta test it will be fail.

Why Druid was moved to last?
Because, there have to be something, that will excite all people on TwitchCon, not only Collin.

If there will be nothing new in it, then they’ll make 1 more POI for druid earlier and that’s all.

I believe, that will be something really exciting!

The part I bolded – that has absolutely nothing to do with Druid spec reveal.

Anet is trying to hype HoT and get new players., true.
You think new players give a kitten about a ranger elite spec? they don’t even know what a ranger is (or any profession), they are new players……

People aren’t going to twitch con for the reveal of druid lmao….

its just an appetizer to the main course. Theres plenty of other things ppl are going to looking forward to like the new Maps, WvW stuff, new raid information, etc etc….

This is just another typical elite spec reveal….heck we will probably know a lot about it tomorrow when they release a blog post. like they have with the other elite specs.

Rizo.9534:

kreios.7108:

i go too mi war and kick rangers from party in dungeons new meta xD

In 20sec fight, Trap ranger doing 2.2x or warriors dps

mi ranger pick war only phlax with banners or kick all haha.

Most fights don’t last 20 secs…. the build also needs whatever you are fighting to stay inside the small bonfire as well…. yea good luck with that on mai trin or any other freaking boss…. i’ll take an extra Icebow over ranger any day.

Black lion key is not something you farm. Its something you stumble upon accidently.
same as a precursor.

Its purely an RNG item, its not even an actual reward.

Not only is the chance for a BL key worse than awful, the chance you even get something useful out of the black lion chest is probably even smaller lol.

When you have system that is RNG (black lion chest goodies) WITHIN ANOTHER SYSTEM OF RNG (getting the black lion key drop) , you have something that is UTTERLY and HILARIOUSLY greedy….

What was anet’s motive for the black lion key change? they don’t like farmers. PERIOD.

They want ppl in the gemstore buying the black lion key with real $$, they don’t want ppl farming the key through drops or story completion. That is a fact.

Oh yea anet increased the chances alright.

going from .0005% drop rate to .0010% drop rate is still laughable.

If you think this MMORPG has a good loot system in place where players can farm items they want, you are delusional.

all you do is farm gold at the best rate possible (silverwastes/daily dung speed run/ and chest/champ train) than buy whatever it is you are looking for. You don’t actually go out and have this hope of getting real loot, real drops…

Bryzy.2719:

SkiTz.4590:

Nicknobreak.7543:

What are you talking about? If you watch Points Of Interest you know that thousands of people tune in just to see these elite specs.

This is TWITCH CON.
Have you seen the list of items anet is set to reveal?

There are more interesting things than druid on that list….

Doubt it – the first priority amongst all the other profession players is to ensure the Druid is not better than their Especs. They’re anxiously prepping their QQ and training their vocal chords to scream “NEEEERRFFF” just in case there’s a hint that Druid might actually be pretty powerful. First priority for everyone else is to ensure Druid is not OP. The other content comes second.

No ones priority is to worry about such a trash tier class lol. Could care less if ppl think its OP or underwhelming. Every class cries nerf or too OP regarding every other profession except theirs lol.

People are there to see whats in store for the future of GW2 and HoT – not what the future of ranger looks like.

No one’s priority at twitchcon is freaking druid. Especially anet lol. Thats why its first on the reveal list. They want to get this crap out of the way so they can get into the more important stuff.

Im not unhyping your thread.

I’m just saying , I would not expect a full on 30 minute reveal and discussion on anet’s least favorite class.

Nicknobreak.7543:

What are you talking about? If you watch Points Of Interest you know that thousands of people tune in just to see these elite specs.

This is TWITCH CON. This is a much bigger stage…..

Have you seen the list of items anet is set to reveal and talk about?

There are more interesting things than druid on that list….

Durzlla.6295:

SkiTz.4590:

Nicknobreak.7543:

Very possible that we’ll get 30-40 minutes of show time. Intro may be 15 minutes. Then druid showcase for 30-40 minutes musical performance for maybe 15 minutes or so. Then adventures in GW2 for a solid 30 minutes. Then they get the live stage at 3pm EST for 15 minutes. They have plenty of time from 1 pm to 3 pm in order to dedicate a full 30 minutes slot for Druid.

Not a kitten chance Druid gets 30 minutes lol.

It will be a miracle if they even get 10-15….

All they will do is show off a few animations on the staff… some new traits and thats about it… might spew off some other misc details and future outlook but thats about it.

I have no reason at all to believe anet cares that much about ranger to devote a 30 minute segment on a live, major platform. We (the ranger community) is a small part of the audience. Anet wants to get on with the goodies, hence start off with the druid reveal to get it out the way quickly so anet can get to the actual stuff the majority of the audience wants to see.

We are actually the most popular class in GW2 in terms of almost everyone has a ranger, so changes to ranger will affect a significantly larger amount of players (whether it’s their main or alt) than it would the ele or Mesmer.

I’m stating that very few ppl are tuning into TwitchCon strictly to see Druid reveal…. ya every ranger main is extremely excited and wants to see it but I highly doubt people are gonna turn off the stream after druid is revealed…..There is a LOT more impactful things to be revealed than an elite spec, which is why the druid spec is scheduled to be released first…. anet wants to get it over with asap so they can get on to the main attractions of the show…

Nicknobreak.7543:

Very possible that we’ll get 30-40 minutes of show time. Intro may be 15 minutes. Then druid showcase for 30-40 minutes musical performance for maybe 15 minutes or so. Then adventures in GW2 for a solid 30 minutes. Then they get the live stage at 3pm EST for 15 minutes. They have plenty of time from 1 pm to 3 pm in order to dedicate a full 30 minutes slot for Druid.

Not a kitten chance Druid gets 30 minutes lol.

It will be a miracle if they even get 10-15….

All they will do is show off a few animations on the staff… some new traits and thats about it… might spew off some other misc details and future outlook but thats about it.

I have no reason at all to believe anet cares that much about ranger to devote a 30 minute segment on a live, major platform. We (the ranger community) is a small part of the audience. Anet wants to get on with the goodies, hence start off with the druid reveal to get it out the way quickly so anet can get to the actual stuff the majority of the audience wants to see.

TheLastNobody.8319:

I’m more interested in necro buffs than Ele changes….though I still want the Ele nerfed so that it isn’t the deciding factor for everything in all game modes…

At this point, you are just being greedy dude.
Necro is amazing in PvP already – its quite diverse (Has multiple good working builds currently) and its the one class that has a build that can hard counter and punish the OP cele DD ele.

Not to mention REAPER is freaking amazing as well.

Necro has gotten plenty of love.

I don’t speak for the PvP community but I’m pretty sure everyone is ready to see changes to Ele as well as making other classes more versatile that are in a bad spot (like ranger/thief)….. necro is in a great spot in pvp right now and will be even better in HoT…

GW2 has, without a doubt, one of the worst, if not , THE worst system for loot in all of MMORPGs….

All you do is farm scraps (salvagable junk like blue-yellow gear, and champ bags with more junk)
You can’t even go to a particular spot to farm a certain T6 mat you might need for legendary, or a certain skin or dye you might want.

No, you farm scraps and you sell/salvage those scraps until you have x amount of gold, than you purchase whatever you wanted….

Exotics? lol. Majority of them are barely worth a few gold.

No one gets excited about a drop in this game. There are FAR too few drops that make you go “ahhh finally, it dropped!!!”…

Its gotten worse and worse.

Look at where we are at now. Majority of the players just farm in silverwastes/chest train. Farm as much “scraps” as possible, sell it, than buy what they want from TP.

That is not a fun loot system…heck its not even a loot system. I don’t even consider that crap loot, unfortunetly, its the best way to make gold in this game, and gold is the quickest way to get what you want.

Missing some T6 mats (or any crafting mat) or lodestones? farm scraps and buy it from TP.
Want a particular dye or armor/weapon skin? farm scraps and buy it from TP/gemstore.
Want a particular sigil/armor rune? don’t bother trying to craft it, just farm scraps and buy it from TP.
That’s what this game is right now. It’s a terribly boring system imo….

Well, BYE. You won’t be missed.

you exaggerate like crazy, thats your problem.
Most classes have multiple working builds …. guardians, necros, engis, warriors, etc all have at least 2 or more solid builds. It depends on what you want to play.

Yea theres some classes that have that one OP build that is far away the best choice (like ele)…

Are you just now noticing this? its been going on for years. Everyone knows anets balance for pvp only comes every 6+months lol…. they flat out don’t have the manpower to keep working on PvP balance…

Just wait a month… HoT is a month away. you seriously think anet is gonna make serious changes to PvP balance right now when their first major xpac is the priority??? get real.

quit whining , go play something else and come back later.

I’ve been on plan B for over a year now….

Roll a different class lol.

For me, I’m a group player. I only play when my friends/guildies do things together (PvP, WvW roaming, fractals). I haven’t played solo in a while because its just too boring for me…

Now, I’m gimping my team by playing ranger, thats a fact, whether some of you like to admit it or not, ranger in team settings are not in a good spot at all (especially WvW/PvP, which is my main areas of play).

While its fun and an absolute blast to play ranger, I’ve switched to Ele about 10 months ago and haven’t looked back. It feels better knowing you can help our team out in terms of support , healing, DPS, basically everything my ranger did, Ele does a lot better…. most classes do it better in a team environment than ranger…

Now I’ll hold my final judgement until druid is out but….yea i’m not holding my breath. I can’t see it becoming a top tier class like guardians,ele, warriors, revs, etc

Supreme.3164:

warherox.7943:

Nerf Burning Speed radius so eles have to actually pay attention to range. It’s really dumb when they charge past you with Burning Speed and still manage to hit because the radius is massive.

Whoever decent enough get even hit by burning speed?

it depends on how skillful the ele is with burning speed.

Its easy to avoid the burning speed coming right at you… just dodge out the way…

But its tough to avoid the burning speed → lightning flash on top of you…that you can’t do much about unless you can perfectly time dodge when the ele teleports.

addar.2867:

hahhahh yet u get reword tracks from pve content …. Skitz u contradict yourself

Yea dung armor skins does not equal income. Those things don’t have ANY monetary value dude…. other than you can salvage them loool.

You are asking for INCOME ….. those dung tracks have very little income lol…. you think anet put dung tracks into PvP as a source of income hahaha? They just did it to give players a little extra something to work towards, something to progress towards…since there was nothing before those tracks….

That does not mean you can expect anet to give PvP something the offers like 8-10 Gold an hour like silverwastes does

you go into PvP to FARM PLAYERS not FARM MONSTERS FOR LOOT.

bhagwad.4281:

SkiTz.4590:

bhagwad.4281:

SkiTz.4590:

People don’t play PvP because its a source of income dude….

If you want to make gold, go to PvE, that is where gold is abundant…. not in PvP…

There is no point in whining about it, thats how most MMORPGS are…

its only LOGICAL that PvE have better gold income than PvP…. you actually need to buy stuff in PvE like gear and weapons, etc etc…. everything is free in PvP already…

Absolutely no reason to make PvP a great place to farm gold, this idea is terrible. Sorry, I doubt anet is following your greedy vision….

if you want gold, go farm it where its meant to be farmed.

You’re supposed to generate income while playing all parts of the game. That’s what “play your way” is supposed to mean. Nowhere is it written that gold should only be generated in PvE.

PvP players also like to buy better looking armor and weapons. They too like to gamble in the mystic forge. Like everyone else. Why should PvP players only “play for fun”? They need equal rewards.

I +1 gold farming in PvP. There’s no difference between PvP goals and PvE goals.

“play your way” does not mean “you can get rich beating up noobs in PvP”

BTW, You are generating income while PvPing (reward tracks, rank up boxes, 50s per match lol)…. just not NEARLY as much as PvE does….

If you want money, go farm silverwastes. Nothing beats it in terms of gold/hour

Don’t expect PvP to even come close to PvE gold/hour ratio. Get real.
Your whining is pointless. PvP is NOT meant to be something you farm income…. its meant to play versus other players and see if you are better than the other….

I don’t want PvP to become littered with bots trying to farm gold , which is what you want. you want income to be as high as PvE …. thats bloody stupid. I’m glad anet is not making it that way.
Thats the last thing PvP needs – a bunch of scrubs coming in with little to no skill in PvP , just looking to get gold. That’s not what PvP is about – in ANY MMORPG. Get out and go play PvE if you want massive gold income.

The PvP system enforces a 50% win ratio. So the “beating up noobs in PvP” doesn’t apply. You’re always gaining gold at a constant rate no matter how good you are (unless you’re at the very top).

“Play your way” implies that you’re not significantly worse off doing some content than others. If one game mode gives a lot more gold than the other, then there is no “play your way” because people will gravitate towards that which pays the most.

Also, you don’t get to decide why people PvP. You can’t say “PvP is not meant to be something you farm income”. Where is the citation for that? Did Anet say it? Who said farming must only happen in PvE? Where is your reference?

Anet didn’t say it verbally, they said through their actions when they implemented each system with a specific set of rewards…. Anet has been “saying” it for 3 years now, not my fault you don’t seem to get a clue….
Stop being completely illogical.
“play your way” was a BS saying and it doesn’t mean what you think it means so get real. Stop being a little child and expect things to be your way. You don’t get to design and make rewards for the game.

I want that fractal sword skin, should It be logical for anet to add in as reward for killing 50 players in sPvP or something? because that’s essential what your logic is asking for.

NO ONE steps into GW2 PvP in hopes of “farming gold and loot and becoming rich through killing players”… its not LOGICAL for a PvP game mode to offer rewards that are better than or even close the PvE game mode…. they are COMPLETELY different modes…. You EXPECT to get things like champion bags, specific loot like teq hoard/frac skins, etc when you play PvE…… not in PvP….

It’s not happening, move on. There is no logical reason for PvP income to be on par with PvE…. you are not entitled to high gold income because you prefer to kill players in PvP than farming PvE….

NO one plays their way, you play the way anet has the systems in place.

“I wanna kill players in PvE maps, I can’t play my way!!” See how stupid that sounds??

bhagwad.4281:

SkiTz.4590:

People don’t play PvP because its a source of income dude….

If you want to make gold, go to PvE, that is where gold is abundant…. not in PvP…

There is no point in whining about it, thats how most MMORPGS are…

its only LOGICAL that PvE have better gold income than PvP…. you actually need to buy stuff in PvE like gear and weapons, etc etc…. everything is free in PvP already…

Absolutely no reason to make PvP a great place to farm gold, this idea is terrible. Sorry, I doubt anet is following your greedy vision….

if you want gold, go farm it where its meant to be farmed.

You’re supposed to generate income while playing all parts of the game. That’s what “play your way” is supposed to mean. Nowhere is it written that gold should only be generated in PvE.

PvP players also like to buy better looking armor and weapons. They too like to gamble in the mystic forge. Like everyone else. Why should PvP players only “play for fun”? They need equal rewards.

I +1 gold farming in PvP. There’s no difference between PvP goals and PvE goals.

“play your way” does not mean “you can get rich beating up noobs in PvP”

BTW, You are generating income while PvPing (reward tracks, rank up boxes, 50s per match lol)…. just not NEARLY as much as PvE does….

If you want money, go farm silverwastes. Nothing beats it in terms of gold/hour

Don’t expect PvP to even come close to PvE gold/hour ratio. Get real.
Your whining is pointless. PvP is NOT meant to be something you farm income…. its meant to play versus other players and see if you are better than the other….

I don’t want PvP to become littered with bots trying to farm gold , which is what you want. you want income to be as high as PvE …. thats bloody stupid. I’m glad anet is not making it that way.
Thats the last thing PvP needs – a bunch of scrubs coming in with little to no skill in PvP , just looking to get gold. That’s not what PvP is about – in ANY MMORPG. Get out and go play PvE if you want massive gold income.

Supreme.3164:

SkiTz.4590:

Wolfric.9380:

Well second time sarcasm is not detected…
My PvP experience is to low to make such decisions. But it was not there before and it would be the same for all.
So please declare why this is pointless. Is celestial amulet important for sPvP balance or does i just push one or two classes which are top tier or OP?

Ele would still be OP without the cele amulet… it just happens to be optimal for the build…

They are would still be OP in knights, settlers, soliders, any really…..

Amulet has nothing to do with their OPness….

There are other classes that use Cele amulet and are finely tuned like cele rifle engis or cele signet necros… taking away an amulet is just pointless in the grand scheme of things… all it does it take away from other viable cele builds..

Gl recovering from condi damage burst with settle/knight
Gl recovering from dmg with amulet that lack healing power and a SoR sitting at 202 hit point for sec
Gl doing any damage given the ele extremely low dmg coefficients..

I tell you what, go play knight/soldier/settler ele vs decent players and tell us how it goes

The best one was knight ele…hmm lol

Condi damage burst survival has nothing to do with amulet – thats purely from water line….

recovering of damage…. again water line….that is the biggest source of healing. dodge rolling in water, attuning to water, water 5, regen application, etc etc…. you realize they can replace SoR with another heal skill right? its not the absolute must have…WATER is the must have.

doing any damage? you do realize what kind of might stacking rotation d/d ele has right? that is where the main source of damage is coming from – burns and ramped up might stacking because d/d ele has one of the better might stacking rotations. …

Taking out Cele amulet doesn’t hurt Ele enough….thats a minimal change…it hurts other classes FAR more than it does Ele…so again, its a stupid idea to just take out cele amulet…. i HIGHLY doubt anet does anything with the amulet outside a number tweak.

Supreme.3164:

SkiTz.4590:

Wolfric.9380:

Well second time sarcasm is not detected…
My PvP experience is to low to make such decisions. But it was not there before and it would be the same for all.
So please declare why this is pointless. Is celestial amulet important for sPvP balance or does i just push one or two classes which are top tier or OP?

Ele would still be OP without the cele amulet… it just happens to be optimal for the build…

They are would still be OP in knights, settlers, soliders, any really…..

Amulet has nothing to do with their OPness….

There are other classes that use Cele amulet and are finely tuned like cele rifle engis or cele signet necros… taking away an amulet is just pointless in the grand scheme of things… all it does it take away from other viable cele builds..

Gl recovering from condi damage burst with settle/knight
Gl recovering from dmg with amulet that lack healing power and a SoR sitting at 202 hit point for sec
Gl doing any damage given the ele extremely low dmg coefficients..

I tell you what, go play knight/soldier/settler ele vs decent players and tell us how it goes

The best one was knight ele…hmm lol

Condi damage burst survival has nothing to do with amulet – thats purely from water line….

recovering of damage…. again water line….that is the biggest source of healing. dodge rolling in water, attuning to water, water 5, regen application, etc etc…. you realize they can replace SoR with another heal skill right? its not the absolute must have…WATER is the must have.

doing any damage? you do realize what kind of might stacking rotation d/d ele has right? that is where the main source of damage is coming from – burns and ramped up might stacking because d/d ele has one of the better might stacking rotations. …

Wolfric.9380:

Well second time sarcasm is not detected…
My PvP experience is to low to make such decisions. But it was not there before and it would be the same for all.
So please declare why this is pointless. Is celestial amulet important for sPvP balance or does i just push one or two classes which are top tier or OP?

Ele would still be OP without the cele amulet… it just happens to be optimal for the build…

They are would still be OP in knights, settlers, soliders, any really…..

Amulet has nothing to do with their OPness….

There are other classes that use Cele amulet and are finely tuned like cele rifle engis or cele signet necros… taking away an amulet is just pointless in the grand scheme of things… all it does it take away from other viable cele builds..

Wolfric.9380:

I would remove cele amulet from sPvP ^^.

Thank god you are not in charge of making decisions for PvP balance than….

what a pointless idea.

Fox.3469:

Ohoni.6057:

It all comes down to this: “Does a raid having a unique skin mean that you now absolutely have to do that content?”

The answer is no.

All just as true as it is irrelevant.

What it really comes down to is this: "does it benefit anyone to have players in a game doing activities that they do not want to do?

The answer is no.

I don’t even understand your argument anymore. You don’t have to do activities you don’t want to do, that is the entire point of only cosmetics being rewards.

It would be far more damaging to the game to have little to no incentive to do content then it would be to have some skins locked to that content.

His entire agenda has become a joke in itself.

He still can’t seem to grasp that raids will be launching with exclusive skins.
PvP will be launching leagues with exclusive skins
Fractals will be improved/upgraded with exclusive skins.

There is literally NO argument he can make that will make anet say “yup, ohoni is right, lets cancel everything we had in mind for raid rewards and follow his philosophy”

As I’ve said before, Ohoni is 100% supportive of PvP and WvW not getting ANY major updates. He doesn’t want dev resources on those game modes because of his ridiculous philosophy (no benefit in spending resources on PvP/WvW since no one plays it according to him….)

His entire agenda is an absolute joke.

People don’t play PvP because its a source of income dude….

If you want to make gold, go to PvE, that is where gold is abundant…. not in PvP…

There is no point in whining about it, thats how most MMORPGS are…

its only LOGICAL that PvE have better gold income than PvP…. you actually need to buy stuff in PvE like gear and weapons, etc etc…. everything is free in PvP already…

Absolutely no reason to make PvP a great place to farm gold, this idea is terrible. Sorry, I doubt anet is following your greedy vision….

if you want gold, go farm it where its meant to be farmed.