Guild Wars 2

Seeing how Anet’s cultural habit evolved since launch, I doubt if Anet will announce publicly the fix, if they ever fix it.

Kal Spiro,

I like the way you reason yourself to a slippery slope because it seems to me you have the least awareness of your own self thought. And self awareness of one own thought meaning critically examine what is your premise, what could go wrong w/ your assumptions, how does it pass the qualitative, quantitative and time frame’s lemon test. Last words.

If you think a customer doesn’t deserve an answer from a company, regardless of the customer’s attitude, then there is something wrong w/ your thinking (and your company’s culture). Even a lowly McDonald employee knows better than that.

Romo.3709:

SkyChef.5432:

And I was here during the snowflake exploit (never care about it btw) and people used exactly the same excuses using here. Just saying.

Wow… You guys all talk like we’re getting rich or something… It’s a salvage robot that was specifically sold to people that go through extreme amount of salvage kits a day. Obviously not going out there and salvaging tons of exotics and rares with it, since it much better to use Mystic Kit.
The fact is, if this was in fact considered an exploit (which I highly doubt), Anet would jump on it the day it was mentioned. It’s been two weeks now without any Anet involvement. Do the logical thinking. We’re talking copper here, not gold.

My message to you guys is you do not know what Anet’s outstanding principle is. They hold all the cards and reveal only those working for them. And if the customers are the minority, you would never know what would be the outcomes. Buyer bewares.

The fact is Anet is the judge, the executioner and also the juror w/ no lawyer on your side said it’s all: you all should better be careful. They can rewrite the whole book if they wanted it too. Just to make sure you are not in the minority group when the sh** hits the fan.

And I was here during the snowflake exploit (never care about it btw) and people used exactly the same excuses using here. Just saying.

cesmode.4257:

SkyChef.5432:

Try this. I wholeheartedly recommend it. I even used his build 10/30/10/10/10 for WvW (armor & D/D changed only)

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/Zelyhn-s-Advanced-D-F-PvE-Guide/first

Ed: Zelyhn explains everything in his guide. Strength, weakness, rotations included.

This guide is mainly for lvl 80s though. He said the core of the playstyle is the trait ‘Fresh Air’ which is a grandmaster trait that I do not have access to for another 9 lvls. Im just trying to get there.

Sorry. I overlooked your level.
I would still suggest using that to level up. You probably just use the 1st 40 pts to 10/20/0/10 and working toward to get First Air.
Dealing w/ mobs in low level areas is all about knock down, chill and stun them so you just put some rotations having maximum accessed to those. I normally run D/D so I would work on a rotation like this:

Fire 3 > Fire 4 > Earth 4 > Earth 2 > Air 4 > Air 5 > Air 1 couple times > Water 3 > Water 4 > (Water 5 if needed) then back to Fire 3.

If you want to use LH, then have fun w/ it and put it in your rotation by using LH5 first.

I have 6 classes but necro & engie and I melee everything in GW2 w/ a very few exceptions so I am definitely bias toward melee on all of my characters. If you think only war & guard can melee, then I really can’t help you, because I am really bad at ranging, except w/ my ranger when I farmed materials.

Try this. I wholeheartedly recommend it. I even used his build 10/30/10/10/10 for WvW (armor & D/D changed only)

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/Zelyhn-s-Advanced-D-F-PvE-Guide/first

Ed: Zelyhn explains everything in his guide. Strength, weakness, rotations included.

Tick Tock Tick. Archive it. All problems disappear.

Too many failed politicians have changed career to gaming world.

World 1st 50 is almost as good as world 1st AP. Just saying.

Mesket.5728:

SkyChef.5432:

Anet gave Nike a lemon and he made lemonade out of that, while others are still trying to get Anet to give them orange so they can make orange juice. And arguing orange juice is the way to go.
For the fun of thought, they did the same thing in fractal to Nike but later they confisticate Nike’s lemonade then give Nike lime this time. Last I’ve heard that he’s till trying to make a limenade.

con·form·ist (kn-fôrmst)
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A person who uncritically or habitually conforms to the customs, rules, or styles of a group.
adj.
Marked by conformity or convention: “Underneath the image, teenagers today are surprisingly conformist” (Selina S. Guber).

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You know… its not always a good thing.

I won’t bother dealing w/ you. Please ignore me.

Anet gave Nike a lemon and he made lemonade out of that, while others are still trying to get Anet to give them orange so they can make orange juice. And arguing orange juice is the way to go.
For the fun of thought, they did the same thing in fractal to Nike but later they confiscated Nike’s lemonade then give Nike lime this time. Last I’ve heard that he’s till trying to make a limenade.

Still gathering feedback.

Back in my day of game & code, developers played their game well. They were the ones who know most if not all of the exploits, tricks, tactics & techniques to pass hard contents. And they have had passion for game.
Do we still have this type of developers here now a day? Or just theoretical “spread sheet” coders?

I fully support this challenge.

I’m pretty sure that Anet has very thoughtful educated people on their staff as many as high level thoughtful educated players in GW2, so this issue surely has been discussed regardless of the time frame of discussion. The uninitiated crowd might not understand the equity issue involved in game, but I’m pretty sure the smart people of Anet know this very well. And if they have no answer for it to this day, because either they just don’t have an legitimate explanation for it and
(a) hope people will forget and go away after certain extended period of time,
(b) try to find a middle ground & saving face at the same time.

or the overriding decision’s body of Anet developers think they have done no wrong, hence have no need to do anything.

Either way, it would paint a clear picture of Anet organizational culture and that’s more important for their future existence than to me.

Swifty, you are no longer the best troll in NA. I hereby declared.

Protoavis.9107:

Which isn’t difficult when the last several pages are just the same 3 people bumping the thread and other people saying it’s time to move on….

Honestly looking at this thread for the last week or so and it’s difficult to not come out with thinking “only three people care and they aren’t being pleasant about how they express it”

more flies with honey than vinegar.

I moved on because this place is packed w/ posts like yours.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.”

Thomas Szasz

Heithinn.6508:

Oh, wow, look at this post on another thread… hmmm..
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Lupi-Staff-Guardian-Solo

I know it would happened eventually. And it will be the talk of the town in Guardian Sub-forum. Yesssss!

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Moshari.8570:

I have become even more disheartened by this level reset. When I first did my levels I did them with PUGs. It was hard, it was a lot of work and it was sometimes dealing with some really unsavory characters. But I got it done….I had the sense of accomplishment at even being invited and doing fractals above 50.

I tried over the long weekend (holiday here in US) to regain some of my lost levels. I did 5 fractal sets…yet my personal reward level is still only 33. I got kicked from two groups over the weekend at the final boss. One told me they were kicking me to bring in their guildmates so that their guildmates could advance (without having to spend the hours beforehand getting to the final boss)…the other kicked all of us at the final boss when the person who started the fractal suddenly disconnected (we had Mai Trin almost dead) whether on purpose or not we do not know.

So for about 8 hours of “work” to regain my lost levels, I gained 3 levels. Did I have fun? Not really, I am mainly doing it for the achievements right now. I used it as a “teaching” moment for 2 of the runs since the people were fairly obviously new at running fractals so I showed them some tricks that helped. Rewards? 3 infused rings that I already have a couple bank vaults full of….only these are the “new” infused rings.

I am still extremely bitter at this. All of my forward progress that I worked hard for is gone, and I will probably never get it back because of the PUG issue. I hate even running dungeons because of the griefers who grab the final chest and quit out closing the dungeon on the group…Fractals just makes it worse.

Aw, Moshari…

I am at lvl 31. Guild groups have been bad, and pugs have been worse. I’ve resorted to boss events in pve and chatting in LA in my time playing. It’s not worth the trouble.

sorry for you guys but trust me if you have done it you just sit around at 50 and have no reason to ever enter a fractal again.. rewards are still not worth it to do fractals over just some mindless afk farmruns. And somehow I am still stuck with the “loosing Progress Thing” it makes working for somthing at least for me pretty meaningles..
I don’t know the Feeling that it doesn’t matter and everything you do can be reseted is way worse than the actualy reset itself( well the actual reset caused the Feeling but still).

I haven’t step in the “new” awesome fractal but I do read the forum posts from people I’ve know from dungeons, especial the list from Nike and it pretty much said the same thing.

@ Lilith & Ethics

I basically just run w/ my family guild & nothing else lately in addition to several old friends known from the LFG guild when they are bored w/ pug. But Lilith & Ethics, you can add me to your list if you don’t want to run w/ pug. At least from many of your post history, I know you guys don’t use the build of the developers from twitch tv. Or the afk skill.
I love that stream and it tells everything of everything.

Missing these

a) Death to the clerics: More health than based health, take more damage percentage wise on extra health.
b) Cripple to the clerics: More health than based health, attack power is reduced percentage wise on extra health.
c) Rough & tough: More toughness than based toughness, take more damage percentage wise on extra toughness.
b) Cripple to the tough: More toughness than based toughness, attack power is reduced percentage wise on extra toughness.

Now I know why the dev don’t have these instabilities after watching their twitch tv
a) Death to the clerics: More health than based health, take more damage percentage wise on extra health.
b) Cripple to the clerics: More health than based health, attack power is reduced percentage wise on extra health.
and more fun …
c) Rough & tough: More toughness than based toughness, take more damage percentage wise on extra toughness.
b) Cripple to the tough: More toughness than based toughness, attack power is reduced percentage wise on extra toughness.

I think the skill lag might be related to 2 keys combined. What I have noticed so far that if I switch weapon using the ~ key, it will response. However, if I use Shift+Tab (my regular key binding), it just doesn’t do it. I have to hit that key many times and one of that many times, will work. This is just an example of skill lagging keys binding (my case) and I wonder if it has anything to do w/ those mouse combined keys bugs were fixed not long ago.

I was wondering what is John Smith input into this? He at least has certain required education & expertise to see how this could evolved?

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

What do they call that when you ignore or intentionally misinterpret information that contradicts your position?

A politician.
Or a car salesman.

The Gaile’s link

No, regular dungeon forums are mostly very skill players. Guides, videos, tutorials dealing w/ dungeons & fractals mostly come from those players.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

spoj.9672:

How else do we compete with champ farmers while avoiding losing brain cells?

By all means, continue if that’s how you choose to make money.

I just wish there were alternative parties I could join. I don’t want to pay gold to skip the entire dungeon, and just get the title. I want to actually play the dungeon with other players.

Why don’t you advertise the run yourself and become the instance owner. I rarely pug any dungeon but just for the curiosity of PUG skills lately, I ‘ve joined a couple groups on Arah, 1 just recently as last night. It doesn’t take that long to fill.

Friendly warning: One necro LFG seems to scare everyone to join because he was there for a long time. Alone.

Report anyone who flame you as exploit. I do recommend it.

When people support that your equity could be taken away at will, w/o compensation, there isn’t anything to discuss anymore.

Bri.8354:

So basically, rangers are worthless unless they use a single build that consists of a sword where you just use the auto-attack all day and the other skills to dodge, which also roots you in place, frost spirit which is a very much passive utility, and spotter?

Its no wonder I rarely see any rangers using this; its very boring to use and the way the sword auto-attack works only causes frustration. I’d rather use something like a longbow and enjoy myself, or just hop on another class, than have to use a build like that!

Nah. Just got your own private group & play whatever to your heart content. I’ve played LB ranger w/ my bear to see the other 4s can kill bosses w/o me (one of them is a ranger w/ sword). They did. BTW, they did threaten to go all LB on me after that. What’s a leechie me.

SkyChef.5432:

When announced Fractured, Anet didn’t announce methods of compensation for players losing equity invested in higher fractal levels, 30+. For the uninitiated, level is a form of equity, as w/ equipment, gears, titles etc. Players don’t expect to log in the next day to see their equity wiped away and started all over again. And I’m pretty sure wiping customer’s equity is a very effective way to lose customers, short term and long term.

Being said that, new contents and new gears will obviously destroy some forms of equity, but good company will always try to maintain the previous value of equity or in case, maintaining previous equity couldn’t be done due to various internal reasons, then they should compensate generously for equity loss due the decision to destroy equity isn’t initiated by the customers. The key here is generously.

Since most players are spending time in the game for cosmetic reasons, I would suggest specific skin per levels, i.e 30,40,50 etc would be appropriate per character achieving such level but my suggestion is just merely a suggestion. And please take notice that the skin (or whatever deems appropriate) awarded is also a form of equity, so please don’t wipe it by introduced it again to lower its value.

Here what I wrote. My suggestion is merely a suggestion but equity wiped should be avoid or compensate, if unavoidable.

Kilandros.2098:

SkyChef.5432:

You guys went to school? You invested your time to get certain degree? New curriculum introduced and they told you your degree no longer valid?
That’s the type of equity wiped make people upset. Real life & in game.
If you don’t understand this principle, I don’t have anything more to say.

A curious analogy given that a doctor educated in the 1800s would not be permitted to sit for his medical boards today.

Your logic is very sound. In academy, they term that intellectual dishonesty.

VOLKON.1290:

SkyChef.5432:

You guys went to school? You invested your time to get certain degree? New curriculum introduced and they told you your degree no longer valid?
That’s the type of equity wiped make people upset. Real life & in game.
If you don’t understand this principle, I don’t have anything more to say.

I started my programming career in Natural/ADABAS, so that’s a pain I feel. As a result to changing times I’ve had to add new languages, etc. to my brain. Change with the times or be left behind.

Degree

You guys went to school? You invested your time to get certain degree? New curriculum introduced and they told you your degree no longer valid?
That’s the type of equity wiped make people upset. Real life & in game.
If you don’t understand this principle, I don’t have anything more to say.

Account bound level does not destroy equity but the decision to move reward from character to account destroy equity investment in developing alts. This in turn destroys all activities involving characters. I can’t speculate why decision is initiated this way but it seems to be influenced by corporation strategy and direction.

You can change the title back like Fractal level reset is equity wiped. Discuss.
Now you set the discussion level and limit the discussion to certain levels of knowledge.

Beauty is all in the mind of the beholder.

What was your thread title before?

JMar.3254:

Dahkeus.8243:

Yes, but he also said that he was exploring something that may make the 1h sword “less frustrating”.

Source:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/December-10th-Ranger-changes/page/7#post3155858
and
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/December-10th-Ranger-changes/page/8#post3162014

I’m not holding my breath over it, but I can certainly hope with a bit of optimism since it’s at least being looked at, finally.

He also said that they lengthened the sbow auto by 40ms to fix an animation bug. A week or so later after being called out he came clean and said they did it to promote other skill use, and nerfed the auto appropriately.

I also will not be holding my breath.

The weirdest part of this game is somehow we have so many failed politicians changed their careers.

When announced Fractured, Anet didn’t announce methods of compensation for players losing equity invested in higher fractal levels, 30+. For the uninitiated, level is a form of equity, as w/ equipment, gears, titles etc. Players don’t expect to log in the next day to see their equity wiped away and started all over again. And I’m pretty sure wiping customer’s equity is a very effective way to lose customers, short term and long term.

Being said that, new contents and new gears will obviously destroy some forms of equity, but good company will always try to maintain the previous value of equity or in case, maintaining previous equity couldn’t be done due to various internal reasons, then they should compensate generously for equity loss due the decision to destroy equity isn’t initiated by the customers. The key here is generously.

Since most players are spending time in the game for cosmetic reasons, I would suggest specific skin per levels, i.e 30,40,50 etc would be appropriate per character achieving such level but my suggestion is just merely a suggestion. And please take notice that the skin (or whatever deems appropriate) awarded is also a form of equity, so please don’t wipe it by introduced it again to lower its value.

Have you guys ever see any Anet developer play ranger w/ sword? I don’t mean running around in open PvE w/ sword but in dungeon w/ a sword.

goldenwing.8473:

Bigger Picture concern:

What happens in the MMO community when word gets out that a developer decided to change dungeon mechanics (Fractals), then de-leveled their customer base to make them run it again?

Do you call that a reset? It wasn’t gear. It wasn’t a title.

How do you explain to potential new customers that this is not something they should worry about?

Should you be concerned that the game will get a reputation?

Understand, that ANet just did something in the MMO industry no one else has ever done before because it is unthinkable.

Were these questions even considered in their decision to make this change?

You didn’t take into account the herd’s mentality so if MMO industry considers that’s cool and a new way to bring in more revenue, it will become the norm. And people will take it as usual.
For those who don’t have a confused moral compass, at least you know your principle is sound and you stand for it. Even in a losing battle.

VOLKON.1290:

SkyChef.5432:

VOLKON.1290:

Floryn.6307:

Why didn’t they reset the achievement points when they added the AP reward system and leaderboard? In fact they went the other way around and they retroactively rewarded us.

If they didn’t do it then, there is no reason to do it here.

So, what exactly do you think should be your reward for doing pre-Instability Fractals then?

Funny… I didn’t hear this many complaints when they removed a leg in TA and replaced it with a new one.

If they reset the Dungeon Master Title, what do you think you will hear?

What, if they took the title away and said ‘You need to run this path to get it back’? There’d have been some complaining, then people would have done it, stopped complaining and moved on.

Just like every release.

I didn’t say they said “You need to run this path to get it back”. Since the new path is level 80, that means they could said everyone would be reset to 55 and all dungeons above 55 are not accessible and need to re run again. But they didn’t right? If they did, then what do you think you will hear?

VOLKON.1290:

Floryn.6307:

Why didn’t they reset the achievement points when they added the AP reward system and leaderboard? In fact they went the other way around and they retroactively rewarded us.

If they didn’t do it then, there is no reason to do it here.

So, what exactly do you think should be your reward for doing pre-Instability Fractals then?

Funny… I didn’t hear this many complaints when they removed a leg in TA and replaced it with a new one.

If they reset the Dungeon Master Title, what do you think you will hear?

You have a lot to learn.
People can only change by themselves.
Even the greatest religious leaders on earth could not convert everybody.
Who are you btw?

JMar.3254:

SkyChef.5432:

I’m really puzzle at people’s moral compass. It seems that they do not understand the “who is next” principle. It’s not OK to do that to a majority but it’s OK to do it to a minority? Wow.

Exactly. This could happen in PvP, WvW, character level.

Every time I say “how would it feel if your [insert one above] was reset” the reply is always “It’s different” or they ignore it.

It shouldn’t be okay for the company that made the design mistake to punish the players for it.

It goes deeper than just a game. People use the same brain & principles in their lives. Not just only in game.

I’m really puzzle at people’s moral compass. It seems that they do not understand the “who is next” principle. It’s not OK to do that to a majority but it’s OK to do it to a minority? Wow.

draconx.3102:

Patch notes say: “a new agony resist infusion slot has been added to all infused … backpacks”

It sounds to me that the new slot is only present for backpieces with (Infused) in the name, and this is in addition to the offensive or defensive slot already on the item. So

• Prototype Fractal Capacitor will not have the new slot.
• Beta Fractal Capacitor (Infused) will have it.
• Fractal Capacitor (Infused) will have it
• Quiver of Swift Flight will not have it.
• Quiver of Swift Flight (Infused) will have it
  etc.

So unless they also change the upgrade recipes you’ll still need a stack of ectos. Those of us already used the upgrade recipes start with a +5AR infusion slotted in so our AR is not reduced by the update. Upgrades performed after the patch will create items with an empty slot.

Cool. Hope this is the case …

goldenwing.8473:

There are several of us in my guild that agree.

Permanence is the hallmark of a MMO. It’s a concept that someone at ANet does not understand.

Capriciously changing the rules of the game is something every player in this game ought to be concerned about.

ANet left a soft cap in Fractals. For a year. ANet understood players were achieving higher levels over the last year. ANet did not put a hard cap on Fractals at anytime in the past year, allowing players to continue to level, knowingly retaining those players over the last year.

ANet now has the distinction of being the first MMO to de-level their customers, which breaks every known covenant regarding leveling in an MMO. Leveling is the cornerstone of MMO gameplay. Levels gained remain. Period.

Blizzard reset gear in a forward manner, allowing players to catch up. Players understood and expected this to occur. Stats were not taken away, the new stats were inflated. Nothing was taken away.

ANet has now violated their stewardship as a trustworthy Dungeon Master.

The game will move on. So will some players. Other will wave their hands because they aren’t personally affected. Some will rationalize everything the developers do. Some will re-level. Those players will remember long after others have forgotten.

The question every player ought to be walking away with at this point is, “who is next?”

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