Guild Wars 2

Maybe it is time ANet considers adding more server capacity? Double the amount of the players allowed on each map. The new achievements have created and brought back from the past… The long queues when the game first came out is now back. Let’s allow more people in so they all can get their fair shot at the achievement rewards and perhaps finally making a difference for their server.

muekung.2518:

BG just gain another 30 man oceanic guild huh.

This week gonna be interesting

Thought BG was stacked during Oceanic timezone even after a few people left to JQ??? Remember, I say Oceanic not SEA.

Maybe people like to see some screenshots of “outmanned buffs”? Quite a few people still believe in the myth of “queues” in T1 when most of the time the queue exists when the large groups just map hops from 1 BL to another thus freeing up the other BL’s…

Synyster.5894:

JQ and SoR Spawn camping BG in EB while SoR has SM Waypoint

Not possible. Conspiracy theory I say… JQ loves BG!

Valik Shin.9027:

There is no 20v20 arena

Yah.. I know. Unfortunately, it will have to be a request for added feature into custom arenas. I don’t think Anet’s done with them yet. If they build it right, we may end up using them…

Galdarion.9803:

Hi there ppl and devs,

I’m posting to enquire about fixing what I believe is a big issue with WvW.
The issue is the massive player groups (zergs), that dominate WvW zones. I understand that players like to run around in big groups. however most guilds aren’t huge and the combat when groups are 30+ is slow and laggy and my personal skill/ contribution is neglegable.
I’m sure ppl will just say get better gear but it will make no diference to a group 30+ with so many. I have played warhammer online in a group of 20. I found 20 v 20 is fun and not very slow but in this game you are looking to roam and get fights but all you find is an avalanch of players looking for an easy kill.
This is not competative and the ruins do not thin the zerg.
A method that would work to level the playing field would be to make groups loss health like level cap when they out number the opposing group. this scale matching would make the fighting more fun it the server could handle the calculations.

Didn’t we not learn that zergs/blobs are not Anet’s responsibilities? The outcome is a creation of players who chose “wisely” how WvW is today.

20v20 is GVG, Anet already provided custom arenas. Use them to our fullest advantage.

Ruins are there to allow people to practice GVG and pick off straddlers or uplevel lowbie characters. They are not for reducing zergs.

Players can fix this issue themselves by joining another server that is bigger if they want to win, or join a smaller server that fights in small groups vs other small groups.

Lalocat.6793:

Kalan.9705:

Ruins had one evenings novelty, but became toxic as soon as I realised the rewards are useless and using my limited playtime on ruins drops one further behind the powercreep grind.

I tried it once but as soon as I saw that capturing a ruin doesn’t actually give you anything, I left and haven’t been back.

Same here. I avoid the wasteland called ruins since it can ruin your precious time with 0 rewards. You may get ganked by quite a few people and find the silly maze difficult to move about. Worst case would be an entire blob storming it which has happened a few times. Ugliest thing in the middle. Poor quaggans…their homes and habitat destroyed by monsters who built them “ruins”.

I don’t think this can happen until Anet can fix the lags in large scale fights. Zerg/blobs will still exist as that will still be the most efficient ways. More organized zergs will demolished the lesser organized one. To redo this WvW into factions sounds good in theory, but how much work will developers need to go through for an entire overhaul? Anet can still do dynamic queues and balance the game a bit by using existing server formats if they put servers into different alliances based on their coverage gaps and or rating scales…

morrolan.9608:

A JQ blob chased my lone mesmer last night OC time because I had the gall to take one of the ruins from them on SOR. It was almost funny to see a whole zerg divert to take down 1 mesmer.

That’s no difference than a SOR blob which chased my 1 uplevelled necro tonight right? So far, it’s as simple as seeing red is like seeing bags. Go after it whether it’s 1 or 100.

Always expect the unexpected. I remember when the time HoD/ET servers falling apart where those big alliances all separated last year. During those times, everyone was saying how stacked BG was… I decided to go to SOS for different reasons even though the numbers of guilds stacking onto BG was so obvious. I followed a guild who I felt provided the most resistance towards the end of the HoD dominance and with SOS having the most prominent Oceanic coverage, it was an underdog who rose to the top and stayed there for some time.

Fast forward to today it looks more like a 3 servers race but don’t underestimate the hidden underdog servers. JQ looks stack because of late stage recruitments to cover huge gaps they been lacking. JQ lost a lot of guilds and was barely hanging by a thread. Their core guilds like SF, HZH, SG, AOS, ATM/FOO, GE, etc (sorry if I missed any guild) stepped up their game and hang on during their rough ride. Whenever the server faced either SOR or BG semi-alone, the gap widens severely with JQ getting stomped. Everyone who’s thinking JQ is stacked did not notice how many guilds the server lost during these months. To this day, I am still able to use the BL’s to waypoint to LA for free. Yes, there’s a queue for EB, but it’s no more than 10 minutes for me. I’m on PST timezone, so if that matters… I still see JQ, SOR and BG being about equally match as of right now. If JQ didn’t recruit, it was guaranteed that SOR or BG dominating throughout. Did we not forget how JQ was considered a 1.5 tier not too long ago?

Personally, I really don’t see much stacking of JQ. There’s a mixture of balance changes… Based on what I’ve seen and some of the more active guilds, this is what I’m noticing:

Part of EMP now PLX/ESOL (indirect from JQ to BG) – International 24/7 coverage, Oceanic prime?
OMEN (indirect from JQ to BG) – Oceanic
Ward (from JQ to SOR) – NA
Aco (from JQ to SOR) – NA
AFTL (from EU to SOR) – EU
RISE (from BG to SOR) –
FIRE (from JQ to ???) -
Part of Merc (from BG to JQ) – Oceanic
RQ (from FA to JQ) – NA
NS (from DB to JQ) – NA
AGG (from XXX to JQ) – NA

I’m missing a few from various servers… But if you noticed that the list only shows that the few guilds recruited into JQ was to fill some of the huge gaps that went over to BG and SOR either directly or indirectly (meaning that they ended up being there as of today). SOR is still a powerhouse in EU time. BG is still a powerhouse in Oceanic time. JQ is still a powerhouse in SEA time. NA timezone is anyone’s game now.

DAVYtm.7168:

We lost [WvW] to JQ as well.

Didn’t WvW disbanded or leader of guild quit? WvW as in Z*********????

Barbarous.8347:

JQ has never had quality players compared to BG or SoR. They always have the numbers but always lose the matchup.

Is that the reason why I always have to use uplevelled characters to take on blobs from either of those other 2 servers?

Jeydra.4386:

Hey FA!

We’re both getting stomped here. How about we form a treaty to resist the evil JQ empire? I propose we agree to:

1) Not attack each others’ players unless attacked first;
2) Not take each others’ possessions. Exceptions apply to our respective sides of EB + SM, and to everything on our respective borderlands. So for example if JQ is holding SoS Garri, FA can take it, but SoS can take it back. On the other hand if FA is holding JQ Garri, SoS agrees not to attack it.

Of course not everyone on the server would agree to such an agreement and some may not even be aware of it, but for those who agree … it’s a start.

In?

See… that’s how WvWvW should be play out. Teaming up to help each other until the match gets closer. Now if only both servers can do this…

selan.8354:

yeah jq just bought a pretty well known guild from us. so u wanna stack even more? then deal with the queues. hope anetreconsiders and puts those blob servers into 1 league so other servers can actually have fun!

Really? Which guild you referring to?

Also, the OP mentioned he retries to queue every 15-20 mins. I don’t think that helps. If anything, it makes it worst.

selan.8354:

Rhaegus.8924:

3) When ppl in WvW get bored, they do crazy stuff.

yeah and when people get fed up we do crazy stuff too.

step 1: cap a camp
step 2: build omega golem

repeat
repeat

step 45(4 hours later):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH5ZO33cjYM

LOL. That looks so awesome!

Deli.1302:

Minoru.1237:

No queues during JQ NA. Join us. We’d love to get more NA support.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Ridiculously-long-queue-s/first#post2937927

Problem is that the user is only attempting to go into EB. During this latest matchup, EB is the only one with any queues. Personally, I have not had any queues on any BL. I have been able to cycle thru all my alts to get to LA via the portal and do crafting with no queues.

Come on folks… I understand we the players like “GVG” and need it. But what we should do is put in requests to fix “Custom Arenas” to accomodate the matches how we like it. If one likes using PVE gears, then let’s put in requests and hope that someone in Anet will help. If we need 15v15 or 20v20, let’s ask for it. I don’t disagree with the developer if he indeed said “ruining his game mode” or “kill trading”. The game was made with the intentions of large scale battles between worlds. Zerging/blobbing is part of the intentions whether we like it or not. There are times which one might see that the game mode is ruined… i.e. during resets, long queues, close matches, etc. Everyone is entitled to play the game their way. It’s a fine line in between to see whether the way one plays, such as “GVG” is an exploitation of normal gameplay.

I thought there was a custom arena created for the purpose of “GVG”? So what’s wrong with custom arenas? Why can’t “GVG” take place in these privately structured format?

I think this match sums it up. BG still has the huge coverage even though they are claiming other servers are getting stacked. I guess BG prefers to blow-out servers by 100k and not 10k. A few BG folks just seems to be scared when they can’t maintain a 100k lead and PVD their way to victory.

Seigfried.5938:

JQ – Plays hard to stay alive
SoR – Beat up on uplevels alts to feel superior
BG – Pays and overblob to win

Here’s a revised and fixed version of it.

Aurust.8961:

I wouldn’t be so sure that AGG found a “home”.

LOL. One can only hope… Is FoE coming along soon? I missed the old “FoE” where they were able to field a huge group.

Stephen.9852:

SleepingDragon.1596:

Azure.8412:

Now, you get guilds like Agg, NS and TKG in NA and Oceanic. You’ve little right to play the outmanned card anymore.

I would think these guilds helps fill the void left by very large guilds like Ward and Aco. Don’t forget, Tsym says they’ll be back again soon. That means… click and wait in queue…

Very large guilds eh?

Yes. With Raz leading Ward (preferred the PRX crew), even with 2 Wards or so, they’ll draw huge militia/pug to tag. It’ll be a big blob in no time. Trust me. I ran and tagged along with PRX and a little with Ward before they left for greener pastures… As for Ward, I only would follow Raz.

Azure.8412:

Now, you get guilds like Agg, NS and TKG in NA and Oceanic. You’ve little right to play the outmanned card anymore.

I would think these guilds helps fill the void left by very large guilds like Ward and Aco. Don’t forget, Tsym says they’ll be back again soon. That means… click and wait in queue…

Rhaegus.8924:

Seigfried.5938:

JQ is here for easy wins. It is either super stacked or double teaming to at least secure a 2nd place.

We can’t help it the other servers start attacking the targets we attack ;-)

By the way, good sir, easy wins vs SOR and BG….. you are hallucinating.

I don’t think he remembers the last match where BG totally outstacked JQ and was ready to thump chests about their 2nd 100k+ points win. There was also matches where JQ couldn’t withstand the mighty blobs of SOR and BG, so yah I would like what he was smokin’.

Forgot if I had 3/4 done, but whatever the case, it was almost at 100% completion regardless of how you look at it. Now it’s back to 1/4 and long ways from completing. Any ETA on when this will be fixed??? I almost fainted due to this big big bug. :-O

Nuzt.7894:

But guys/gals your forgetting one key factor … the PuGs/PvE folks, surely they will all Que up now for this super awesome system and help us defeat the Server Giants of each League. They PvE ALOT I think they know a thing or two about killing Giants.

So you see all your worries are misplaced, now thakittens been cleared up why not just make 1 League so rank 24 can show Rank 1 how fierce PvE truly is.

The PvE folks might do it if it means that the rewards are greater than their dungeon/fractals runs. Now what is the likelihood of that happening?

kingcragus.6810:

Are league rewards fair? I have no idea as does no body else because they have not been implemented yet….

Get over it.

By the time it’s implemented and people experience the “well thought out” league, there’s only ghosts and flies in WvW…

If Anet wants to rewards those who blobs less, perhaps make the maps 10x larger so blobs won’t effectively cap as well? If Anet wants to show why they think everyone has similar population, show a rough estimated amount of people on servers instead? Don’t give exact numbers. But 1 = 0-19 people, 2 = 20-29, 3 = 30-39… etc. It gives everyone an idea of how fair the matchup is going to be. I’m sure the skilled players with 20 or so be willing to duke it out against 30 or so players. Not 10 vs 80 or something that outrageous.

You’ve been watching too much movies. In real life… I mean in virtual world, that does not happen in GW2. You are no match for 10 vs 1 in any single outings.

Aurust.8961:

We will crush and obliterate your tower…. NO MERCY!!!!!!!!

Pffft. Of course you will. Make sure you press that “1” key hard and fast since your blobs won’t allow anyone else to press any other keys… LMAO.

DarkieDuck.9521:

Dont worry, knowing ANET they will open free transfers before the season starts

Honestly, that is what ANET really needs to do. Allow free transfers to assist the blobbiest server there is ever known to exists since the inception of GW2.

DevonCarver.5370:

So, as I’ve said before, we are still looking into ways to try and alleviate those problems, but that is also what WvW is like right now, so while this season will create new rewards and new incentives to play, it isn’t as though this is a brand new problem. We want to make it so that skill is more important than sheer numbers and we have some ideas. None of them are so easy/safe to implement that they are going to happen in the near-term.

I really hope you folks can figure out how to resolve the problems with sheer numbers. As we all know, the top 4-5 servers are purely just numbers. It’s who can form the biggest and most cohesive blob to smash them in a line. Most of us know that as “stack” nowadays. Players stack onto of commanders. Guilds stacked onto servers that are already “stacked”. It’s perhaps a good idea to have a reward pool and if your server have been stacked too heavily, then the rewards split among all those will equal less? Reward should be greater for those who has the odds against their favor.

Xillllix.3485:

People are freaking out on this forum like it’s the end of the world every time Anet does something. It’s getting ridiculous.

Because Anet always act upon something they feel is going to help, but end results is opposite. Maybe Anet should figure out how they can balance the matches first before creating some kind of league???

gidorah.4960:

i’m not asking who is drama free or has a great community i am asking which of the top 3 will win

Go to SOR. See if they’ll offer to pay for your transfer as well.

Depends on how fast you like to pound the 1 key. Being part of either server you’ll likely steamrolled your opponents if in NA timezone. Although it’s getting slightly better that you now can throw out more than just the 1 key, it’s because most of their opponents have been playing less so opponents zergs are not enough to fight off their blobs.

Wilco.1458:

SoR is going to take it too seriously, recruit two or three or eight more guilds, and we’re going to pray we’re not in the same bracket as them.

Otherwise no change.

Is that what SOR is doing? Recruit 24/7 even when they are outnumbering people in almost all time zones? I thought they only buy guilds… Anyways, I can attest to SOR’s bigger blobs since I have multiple accounts span across multiple servers. Maybe I must not be logging on enough to see them not have less than their opponents. Seems like BG can no longer form those big blobs like SOR. Strange that it seems like BG and JQ already have a few guilds that may have went unofficial and when it happens on SOR for 1 guild, they quickly “recruit multiples guilds” as they called it… to make sure their blobs doesn’t shrink.

Slomo.1029:

Making people transfer to bottom tiers however would help.

How is Anet going to make them transfer? There’s no incentives and it costs too much gems. Some people keep saying servers have the population but they just don’t want to participate. Why not fix this by not giving bonus to the winning server but instead have a negative effect on the losing server? Like instead of +1% or whatever bonus to crafting, gathering, magic find, etc… it becomes -10% to losing servers. Punishment over rewards might work better to force participation.

Doomdesire.9365:

I play with these guys everyday. I trust them over your “sources”. In the end, I play on this server, and I know more about it’s peoples, values, and decisions more than you. FYI, TSYM has been “out” for awhile, but we didn’t need another NA guild. CHOO/TW/FEAR/HEL/HL is more than enough for 4 BLs. That doesn’t even include the smaller guilds that frequently WvW or the massive PvX guilds such as LUN and GSCH.

I don’t make random accusations at JQ from random “sources”, neither should anyone else, whether that person be SoR/JQ/BG. I would appreciate it if you stopped spreading baseless rumors because “someone from SoR” told you something.

That’s the very wrong mentality. Just because you play on a server every day, doesn’t mean you know the internal politics and hidden agenda behind the many guilds who plays there.

It’s like me saying I have a scout in SOR everyday and I know they are only targetting JQ and playing nice with BG. Does that make me a know it all?

Like I said before… BG openly recruits even when overstacked and won’t hide it. SOR PR folks says no more guilds but IR invites and begs for more.

Seems like a lot of folks wants the skill lag fixed. A request for GvG arenas is basically a request for a different element of a PvP section which is great since GvG should not be part of WvW. No more sieges? What’s the point of camps, towers, etc???!!!!? You just run around and cap points right? If that is the case, might as well do spvp or go back to guild wars 1 and do alliance battles. Best patch notes we can wish for is no lag, larger maps, integrate servers from EU and NA so just maybe we can minimize pvd….

Rawr.5930:

The point is, pvp is to actually fight people?

Ever heard of SPVP??? Maybe look it up if you’re looking to only fight people.

Lenador.1436:

Can i count something like November 30 – December 1 as two months?

Sorry, won’t be fair. Then someone’s gonna ask to use Dec. 31, 2012 to Jan. 1, 2013 as 1 year… But good try though. :-)

Blix.8021:

People can queue for wvw and do whatever they like. If people start queueing for WvW to have a tea party in SM, tough. You don’t get to dictate what people do in wvw because you’re a “hardcore wvw” player.

Doubt anyone can and should dictate what anyone does… Some guild(s) may have been called out and feelings may have been hurt. I’m sure we all use WvW zone to do crafting, gathering, tea party, and etc. It’s just ashame that there’s some people who probably wants credits and respect for themselves and/or their guild on that particular server but yet, they are doing the opposite to garner any… Btw, when will you want to have a tea party in SM? I’m in on that… I’m just a casual who enjoys picking badges and goodies from dead bodies.

Calvin.5380:

No wonder Agg and EMP (the real one!) left JQ. More to follow…

Pop-Quiz:

Name a few servers Agg and EMP (now RE or ESOL?) ever stayed on longer than 2 months without hopping???

Obviously, it’s a ego thing that everyone is doing GvG. Some players are just good and the make believe (self created) GvG is just icing on the cake. The only place they can accomplish this self created event which I do not condone or support happens to be in WvW at this time. I’ve witnessed a few of these self created GvG and the players that fight in them are truly good players. RG vs TW and I think another was RG vs Iron was a good matchup that I’ve seen. All these guilds have great commanders and players as I’ve followed these guilds in the servers and they all were effective at WvW. Personally, I felt RG is perhaps if not the best in GW2 is at least one of them. They not just proven that they are capable of wiping huge blobs that is 2x or more of their sizes in WvW which I still think is an expansion of Alliance Battles.

As for the reasoning behind the name GW2 and not another name was Anet’s intention of bringing existing fans of the original and hopefully garnering more customers. There was probably no reason why they wanted GvG since they may not really make much money off those few hardcores… However, there looks like a possible shift that I think Anet is trying to accomodate with the Random & Team Arenas…

It’s fine that people GvG, but typically the best time to do it is when it’s coordinated correctly between servers and the majority of the WvW community is aware of it. It will prevent frictions created among the WvW hardcore players. Remember, everyone should be having fun in this game and the only way you can have fun is if everyone is on the same page. Unfortunately, some players are so inconsiderate and egotistical that they do their self made GvG and totally ignore the WvW community. I guess their motto is, “I’m having fun, I don’t care if you or anyone else is. It’s all about me!”

Folk.2093:

matchup is boring, maguuma is non existant and JQ zergs worse than TC. ZZzzzzz

So does that mean I should skip that part of the dailies? :-(

Hey folks, go do your dailies. I think one of them dailies is “Maguuman Killer”. Does that mean I have to go kill 40 Maguuma invaders??? Shouldn’t be too difficult if we can get them to cooperate by blobbing up and stand there looking pretty. Let me know what BL to visit so I can complete my daily. Thanks Maguuma for your cooperation!!!

GuardianOMS.8067:

Halo.8976:

This conversation: http://youtu.be/iBwEbUwoYqQ

Who’s Psyduck? If the answer isn’t me you can go straight to hell.

You’re Psyduck! :-)

Jedsus going to save me and send me straight to heaven now!!!!

yesfourme.8906:

It would be really nice to have a clue about the estimate wait time or (even better) how far are you in the queue.

The queues work in a very strange way. Sometimes you can be queued up first, but ended up not getting in and someone who just clicks it ends up going in… Seen it happen so I’m not sure what to say about that. Perhaps shows a number to the person who’s lining up? Like depending on which map you selected, it shows your number in the queue system? If you got #5, for the BL you’re lining up, you’ll be 5th in line to go in? This way, if you queue and saw #300, you’ll pick another BL or just go do some PVE while you wait… The number should change depending on when it’s your turn.

Clockradio.3257:

Actually, it’s server politics and BS drama that caused servers like SoS and HoD to fall.

Yes, it’s that and a combination of various factors… SoS was an awesome server and the community there is great. Only reason I left that server was the “bandwagon” mentality before free transfers are over. I saw SOS internal issues with WvW guilds which points to an eventual fall of the titan. PRX, RG, SF at that time was planning to move over to JQ was a big plus to the “bandwagon” mentality. I’ve followed PRX around ever since their departure from HOD. RG was another guild that I totally respected and I witness them wipe huge SOR/BG/SOS blobs. It was also interesting to see FOO again since the last time I played with them was in ET.

So the truth comes out and we all know that everyone says, points and winning don’t matter… but what’s said and done is a different story. Everyone wants to win, but if a lost is due to being outplayed it’s fine and you can swallow that pill easily. Being outblob and outmashed on the “1” key isn’t the way you feel is justifiable. Some people feel they accomplish greatness when they manage to outblob another and chest thumping happens. I’m sure these are 5-10 year old kids, or perhaps their brains are around that age???

Denthamos.8140:

The entire guild I am apart of on TC was disappointed when we saw that we were still matched up against BG and SOR Friday. Pretty much all of the main WvW guilds have decided to sit out of WvW and do fractals and other PvE stuff instead of give the other two servers free bags it would seem.

I thought TC was excited and all happy to face off against BG & SOR. From the older matchup thread, it seems everyone was excited to get paired up with them and saying hope to see each other again soon. I guess I was wrong, it must be the few people who enjoys mashing “1” key were excited… There’s lag regardless but if you put BG-SOR-along with almost any server, you’ll more than likely mash “1” key. I’ve experienced months of that. Anyone who claims otherwise are either in a fantasy world of their own or in a timezone where there’s not many people on where PVD is obvious.