Guild Wars 2

Raven.9603:

I could not disagree more. The nature of sharing all buffs outside parties eliminates consideration of group composition, instead it becomes “horde” composition. Further, hardcore wvw/gvg is composed of “Save Yourself” stacking through guardians, might stacking in an ele’s fire field, then running through the other blob like a bunch of trained seals with down syndrome. stop, stack, blast, balance this ball on your nose, repeat until your commander begrudgingly approves of the performance and attributes the success to his “leadership.” congratulations, you’re a red guard now.

there is no skill in that, no tactics, no pride or thought. there is no need for class variety or condition management when 1 single class brings all the buffs and cleanses you need. the only things guardians arent bringing are combo fields and veil, and it has a huge negative impact on any group play large enough to incorporate guardian stacking.

If you think this is all that happens in a organised, good guild group like RG was then you couldnt be more wrong. People figured out positioning for buff sharing and focus their dmg. Figured when to run as train and when to spread out. A simple “stack, blast fire field, push straight line” doesnt work for some months now. Even the most boring blobby servers on EU got their players to use tanky gear and blast fire fields. If you want to beat that, you need to outsmart them in different ways.
Ofc there are some guilds that think bringing 16 guards, 3 eles and 1 veil will win them every fight. I never saw any of those succeed.

Troll or is the stream already over? :O

On the other hand, if the GvG community is lust zero point something percent, why do you bother putting so much hate on them? How can those GvG scrubs be worth your time?
Why is this one GvG the only thing you memorize from that weeks matchup? Did bored by the game and cant accept other still have fun?

EDIT: Okay we fell too long for the troll. Just ignore him in the future, dont respond and let his posts sink in the ocean of tears.

Its not something I asked for and Anet doesnt market it like something I would want. Therefore: never.

Chopps.5047:

GrandmaFunk.3052:

“the way you guys have fun isn’t really fun, only we know what the true fun is”

I never said that. Some people think running around with the Endless Cat Tonic is fun. Some people think getting 15 legendaries is fun. But it’s not going to help you win! GvG only wins in an egotistic-vanity sense. WvW is where the true players support their server. These are facts of life, I didn’t come up with the facts.

Thats the point. For those 1-2 hours the guilds doing GvG just dont care about winning or losing the matchup. They want to improve their skills.
Winning at all costs = not fun for some players.

I answer here for the last time. Also not replying to your PM anymore since you dont have any idea what is going on on other servers lower than T2(NA).

Assuming those numbers were true (they are from the first 4 months of the game), those are simply sold copies you are mentioning. Sold copies != active WvW accounts. Get this fact into your head now. Please. You were ignoring it the past few days in every single thread and arument.
I repeat: Sold copies do not equal active WvW accounts
(i repeat, will the real slim shady please stand up?!)
Now that we have this sorted you can rethink about your example.
Yes GvG population is less than 1% of the games copies.
But if you think about it, players got less, not more. If the playerbase would have been constant or would have gotten more, your server wouldnt have to play the politics game and recruit even EU guilds.
So we end up with this simple fact: there ARENT 2.5 mil active accounts left.
Hell I would even say there is barely 1 mil active accounts left. Active means for me more than doing a daily once a week. Now, considering how few people play WvW regulary compared to PvE.
WvW does certainly not have a 6 digit player base. Unless there are 5h queues on T1/T2 servers 24/7.
From my perspective the active WvW population of this game is somewhere at the lower end of 5 digit numbers. But again, thats only my speculation. With this more realistic approach:
Yes GvG population is probably still less than 50% of WvW community.
BUT: GvG players still do WvW most of the time and bring you your precious points.

So why are you hating on the people who do zerg busting for you and capture objectives all week long? Is it because you fear for your ppt game? When was the last time you had actually fun in WvW by killing somebody? I feel like this is arguing with someone who only knows one side of the fence. Only looks to the other side to see that they also can have fun. And as soon as the other side asks Anet not to flood their playground(by adding +stats with some kind of orb mechanic), he starts to spit on the other side.

I can tell you that almost nobody below T1 does give a fork about GvGs happening on some BL. Because either they grew up and realised that there are different ways to have fun or are part of a guild that GvGs from time to time.

You are saying you run with 20-30 man group*s* in WvW all the time? I dont believe that for a second. Your server wouldnt be up there if you had multiple groups splitting from the blob.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Elfecutioner.8745:

Personally, I think A-Net is finally applying their ranking system correctly by juggling the matchups around a bit. It keeps it from being stale, even if there are frustrating matchups at times.

This Week: Vabbi Vs WhiteRidge Vs FoW
Last Week: Vabbi Vs WhiteRidge Vs FoW
Week Before: Vabbi Vs WhiteRidge Vs FoW

Yep, the system is working fine, not stale or anything…

Bringing up three WvW-coverage-dead servers. Just bring a suggestion who to match them against. Think…think…really nobody because they dont bring anything in their current state.

Making people transfer to bottom tiers however would help.

Saint Scarlet.2906:

@Silentflute, when you quote percentage numbers you are actually including all the casual WvW players in that total i think.

Not even. He is including the sold copies and trying to subtract the active accounts.
Given the fact that at least 90% of those “active” accounts just do a daily or monthly and nothing else (*) you end up with much, much less than the millions of WvW players he is using as reference to show how small the GvG-supporting community is.

(*) my personal guess after seeing this:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1j6bkv/interesting_figures_about_guild_wars_2_from_the/
And even this data is from a website that is trying to promote the game. God knows how they count those 2.5 million “active” accounts. And those numbers are pretty old by now.
12minutes playtime per day doesnt sound like a usual WvW player to me. Those have a lot more.

Thesilentflute.8761:

Even if we win every match “GvG” is still a problem because it kills competition or at least they try to. Even in this thread you have these "GvG"ers talking down to people actually playing the game when they are 0.333333333% of the games population less than 1%.

How often are you going to copypaste this bit into every second post if yours?
Just asking because its completly wrong.

There was some blog or something with active players and average playtime per day was something like 30 minutes. Saw it on reddit or so a few weeks ago. I would look it up for you if you would stop bringing this 1% “argument” after see the player statistics, but I guess it wont happen.

Why posting it here? I am sure Devon isnt the god of the matchups.

I remember it was working for me and my guildies a few weeks back. Now its broken again.
Maybe it was only working for a signle evening. I dont know because people got used to “leave party before you go offline” by now and I wasnt playing much since then.

EU vs America would be interesting if every server had steady coverage all day long. For example you could match the Vizunah and some T1 or T2 US servers.
BUT everybody else doesnt have that. EU servers dont have 24/7 coverage. They have peaks in the evenings and next to nobody a few hours later. Matchung EU vs US would mean that for EU primetime the maps will be painted with EU, at US primetime they will be painted US-colours. And you would end up plaing vs gates and guards instead of players.

Aneu.1748:

The loyalty that can be built up by community managers and developers in a game is a hugely powerful tool and has kept people playing games for a very long time indeed. If Anet or more specifically Devon was able to understand this and garner the support required then when the next fluffy game comes out that supports (I use this word lightly, it simply means “includes”) world PvP like GW2 then you can bet that a lot of people would put this kind of invaluable developmental support at the forefront of their minds and possibly play something else for a little while but always return to GW2, currently this kind of loyalty isnt a prolific feeling amongst many of the WvW community and as such the only thing to keep people coming back is the fact the game is B2P – not because of loyalty to the company, the people or the game.

I totally agree on that. Binding people to your game was surely easier a few years ago because the F2P model wasnt a big thing. But its still possible.
However ArenaNET realised this in their PvE department and reacted to feedback slowly, but accordingly and look at the progress they made there. The Living Story content is well made, regular and free. Interesting story behind every event keeps people interested in what happens next. The fact they distribute weapon skins on RNG is bad, but I’ll give them that because they need money.

Now compare it to the PvP/WvW progress and you’ll realise that to build a trustful relationship to this community is plainly impossible within the time left until the next big MMO. At least at the rate of progress we had in the past.
They would need to put 5 times the manpower into WvW and they would need to do it right now. Otherwise Wildstar (or whatever game is next) will come out before the developers learn the ropes of this gamemode(s).
Lets be real here, one year of getting declined…people want a whole lot to happen by now. Not only something random like colour changes, siege weapon masterys or traps. ANet needs to catch up on the needs from the past year and put a cherry on top now. Otherwise I dont see a bright future for WvW.

And its not really Devons fault. Ofc he could give a lot more insight in the stuff they are doing/thinking. But 1st he probably isn’t allowed to and 2nd it would reveal how much(or little) power they have within the company. His latest respones about WvW being only one small piece of the game, made clear that he is fed up with the situation he is in. He cant promise anything big because his team cant realise it.
I can imagine that the WvW team is thinking of amazing things and has good ideas how to fix stuff and make the game better as a whole. Sadly they dont have the manpower to realise any of this. And probalby dont get the manpower scheduled by managers because Living Story weapon skins are the $$$ these days.

Aneu.1748:

DevonCarver.5370:

Equinox.4195:

So, in regards to GvG and openfield, I don’t see a lot of “rampant speculation” going on. If nothing else, you chose your words poorly. The complaints about this new system potentially killing the GvG scene is entirely grounded.

This forum and this topic in particular are about WvW. WvW is about sieging and controlling objectives and about open field combat. All our changes are with that totality in mind and will continue to be.

I am exceptionally disappointed to see how narrow-minded and ignorant a developer can become. Rather than supporting an emergent game-play style you respond to this topic with what must be one of the worst possible responses I have seen from you yet.

Let me correct you on your glaringly obvious mistake and possibly educate you in the way you require. World vs World is what the players want it to be, not what it may have been designed for, not what you believe it to be, not what you scream from the top of your lungs what you wish it to be… it is what PLAYERS want it to be. If players didn’t want there to be GvG then guess what? There wouldn’t be GvG but there is a large scene for it now and to what must be your utter disbelief – huge swathes of servers actually have pride in the guilds that represent them in both WvW and GvG.

If you understood the above and actually realised that we, the players who focus on World vs World and want to actually fight other players (not bunker inside keeps), are not happy at all with the way we have been dealt with for quite some time then you may actually begin to build bridges, however with the above statement it is quite obvious that you are oblivious to much of what is occurring in the world of World vs World at the moment (Oh I’m sure you can read your metrics, well done).

You may also wish to understand that with the lack of any direct competition with other games at the moment GW2 does hold dominance in this area but that is not through great support for the WvW community, it is because as I said, there is a dire lack of competition and I can assure you that once said competition comes out you may wish to hold onto your seat because I can assure you that your community will shrink and quite drastically.

I have kept off the forum for quite some time, ever since your complete disaster of implementing Arrowcart changes and so on but I simply couldn’t help myself in responding to this reply. Hopefully you will see the light – I wont hold my breath however.

Yours faithfully,
Aneu

TBH I think even if we would get the changes we ask for, a lot of people would leave as soon as competition is out. Just because their friends who arent interested in WvW are moving, they want a different kind of lore/new world to explore or just always play the newest game.

Luez.1937:

Dranul.2094:

Whoa, wtf PunK why you deny our 2 matches with you on the site?

What do you mean?

This probably:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Unofficial-GvG-Scene-Thread/page/3#post2673217

Lyndis.2584:

Compared to a few months ago they definitely have increased rewards for WvW players, but it does indeed still pale to PvE content.

Because its basicly a sea of white, blue and green stuff. Just like most of the PvE zones. Except PvE has Orr (filled with strong mobs and events) and the world events with at least a rare per day.
I like the ammount of money I get. Its okay if you arent building towards a legendary or somthing. Otherwise you have to play the trading post in addition to WvW.

BillDoor.8923:

DevonCarver.5370:

Watch this Friday’s livestream.

LoL Not even promise things are soon changing but a promise that soon we will get a another promise that things are changing (maybe)!

More traps and a fix to the missing merchant on some BL.

Nikkinella.8254:

We just need all the nerfs we’ve been hit by since beta reversed as well as a few buffs to our crappy skills which have been crappy since beta and then we’ll be on par with all the other classes and their recent ridiculous buffs.

No you are going a bit too far.
Just give me the stunbreak on LF back and revert the RtL CD to 20s. Maybe reshuffle some traits so that 30 Arcana and at least 10 water isnt a must for close combat builds. (without making it any worse than it is)
This would make me a happy d/d ele again.

Headgear off
Shoulders skin not needed because of…
T3 racial chest
T2 racial legs
T1 racial shoes (pretty much the only ones that dont show the 4 extra toes asuras have)
whatever gloves.

Try that in a preview.

EDIT: THIS looks really cool too

Kratic.8763:

Delcat.1245:

really wtf , y on earth did you waste time even doing this ,

so many more things you could do , makes me sad

Waste time? its just changing 1 value in the code to change the color lol

Could have been a fix to a tooltip.
Something this game truly needs since 1 year after release you still cant tell how much damage your skills will do.

DiogoSilva.7089:

ARM.3912:

That would make a lot of sense if other classes couldn’t do the same amount of damage or more, WITH ONE ABILITY.

Tell me a single other profession that can do over 9k damage at nearly instant speed. Your opponents can’t even react to that burst, and elementalists still have updraft, still have the entire fire traitline, can still heal and remove conditions on themselves and allies on water, and still switch back to earth for aoe protection.

Elementalists are generally really strong in pvp. The only exception is in the current meta, because most ele’s party support and self defense abilities do not work versus conditions, and because their bunker anti-condition setups are countered by s/d thieves. Once the condition meta is nerfed, eles will get back to play.

How about a Thief backstabbing from stealth, 9k ezpz. Rifle Warriors. Melee rangers. Some pervert shatter Mesmers using Mind Wrack and Cry of Frustration at the same time.
See, Eles have to do so much smashing buttons for a good combo while Thiefs, Warriors and Rangers only have to press 1 skill. And I think every class should have to do some work to make a fluent, working combo deal good damage.

I dont know what kinds of players you face but even in WvW, where the vast majority of players is considered as “scrubs” by sPvPers, when I LF+Stun them, they use a stunbreaker and dodge to gain some distance. Maybe pop their invunability (if they have some) and heal up before reengaging or running away.

Art.9820:

Ragnar.4257:

Can you do 20v20 in sPvP? No? Enough said.

when did you people decide GvG is where you fight 20v20 or 15v15?

Did you people consider all the balance factors? Are you guild wars 2 designers? No? Enough said.

if they ever reintroduce GvG where you fight 8v8 I hope you guys don’t complain about it, this is just a mini-game mode made by the community I really don’t consider it GvG at all…..

I’d personally say: smaller groups -> worse balance.
Seriously, the class balance in this game from a competetive view is really, really bad (condition dmg for example lol). So people found out that using the direct combat system and the already in-game COMBO system is a lot of fun AND evens out the playing field on the balance front for a bit. The thing is, you need more people for that.
8v8 is the weirdest number you could ask for(except if you really want highlander mode). Not even the combo system could get used to its full potential.
So why not use the things that make the game fun?

mrmadhaze.8706:

About 2h and 11 badges..

So we will not drop badges anymore becouse we must play pve? o.O

You will probably get more badges from the Achievment Chests playing living story content for achievments than playing WvW.
The future looks bright guys!

LilMcGinley.3890:

Jscull.2514:

LIGHTBULB!

Shouldnt be setting up fights…should just be having these fights in open field.

Groups/guilds are far more likely to run away in an instantaneous open field fight so they can get the upper-hand… which completely negates any level playing field which a structured GvG standard tries to implement.

Just ignore this guy in this kind of threads. There is no use for that.

Maybe settle the eternal battle of rezzing dead or not rezzing dead while you are at it.

problematic.9623:

Excellent post Dranul. Do WvW Developers visit you in the EU bracket? Just curious.

They didt a server tour where they visited (almost?) every server for an evening. On AG they didnt really cooperate, came the last evening before reset on EB while we had a boring matchup = no PUG commander on the map, no guild raids. Basicly they threw some siege around and people who were curious were following them for a few hours. Was an unfortunate timing for that, but I doubt there was more cooperation on other servers tbh.

June 11

World vs. World

World Ability Points have been refunded to all players who earned them. Changes were made to Arrow Cart Mastery, allowing players to reallocate their points. This is a one-time reset.
Arrow Cart Mastery skills have had their range reduced to be better in balance with other siege weapons.
The WvW Ranks and Abilities tab now displays how many bonus rank-up chests a character has remaining.
Superior Siege and Omega Golem blueprints now have different icons from regular siege blueprints.

June 25

World vs. World

Mortar Mastery has been added to the Ranks and Abilities tab.
Increases blast radius on all skills.
Increases fire field duration.
Reduces recharge on all mortar skills.
Increases damage on all mortar skills.
New Skill: Mortar Barrage
Launches a barrage of rounds that pushes back foes where they land.

July 9

World vs. World

Siege blueprints are no longer account-bound and can now be mailed to other players and traded on the Trading Post. Players who already have any siege blueprints and want the tradable version can either obtain another or use the one they have and then use the “2” skill to pack it up again.
The Outmanned buff has been renamed to Outnumbered.
Build Master: Decreases the amount of time it takes to build siege engines. Build Master has been added to the Ranks and Abilities tab.
Repair Master: Decreases the amount of time it takes to repair walls or gates. Repair Master has been added to the Ranks and Abilities tab.

July 23

World vs. World

Catapult Mastery has been added to the Ranks and Abilities tab.
Increases damage done to walls.
Gravel Shot now does bleed on hit.
Increases radius on all skills.
Increases damage on all catapult skills.
New skill: Siege Bubble
Creates a shield that destroys all projectiles around a catapult.

August 6

World vs. World

Supply Mastery has been added to the Ranks and Abilities tab.
Picking up supply is now instant.
Gains swiftness when the entire supply is spent.
Gains courier speed and increases movement speed by 50% after picking up supply.
Gains a chance to recover some supply after it’s spent.
Deployed siege sites gain 3 seconds of invulnerability.

There, two months of “work”. 3/4 of the content was adding stuff via a fresh, newly created framework (=people know how it works, no need to spend time to figure the framework out). Since devs almost never admit failure on their part people expect a lot more than this.

I’d argue that the game polishing stuff (wallet, AoE loot etc.) made WvW players more happy than this.

Caffynated.5713:

lordkrall.7241:

Caffynated.5713:

The rest of the game’s map changes:

At least be fair when you are making lists like that.
You are ignoring quite a few things added in WvW.

Please point them out.

Caffynated.5713:

The rest of the game’s map changes:

Caffynated.5713:

map changes

A lot of bugs and stronger Arrow Carts.

Traps.

I would really like to have a more peaceful atmosphere.
But with nothing WvW related happening at all for the first 5 months after the release (except removing orbs), and this really unpolished stuff in the game people dont really want Supply-Mastery or another +stat buff.

People want what they have asked for for 10 months now:
- better commander system (or guild commanders)
- fix to the party system
- deminishing returns for giant zergs
Maybe finally fixing all the weapon tooltips in the game. Because they are wrong, are missing details and show some weird dmg number that doesnt indicate anything at all.

But Anets WvW team has to play the catchup game. Bringing out content for PvE every 2 weeks while progressing so slowly in WvW doesnt help either for the atmosphere.

It simply feels like nobody did comment anything of the code while writing it pre-release and now different people have to service it.

Why do you always think dates are the most important thing? Details would be nice. At least some.
Knowing if you put something new there or just make it a simple flat surface? Stuff like that could be interesting. Not the release dates.

DevonCarver.5370:

And, while it isn’t an entirely new map, you can look forward to some changes to the borderlands soon. Let’s just say you should get your krait killing in now.

Should have been there ~6 months ago. Basicly just confirming again that there will be “some changes” to the middle area of the borderlands.
Still we dont know anything specific.

Next patch: Trap mastery!

King Amadaeus.8619:

Mizhas.8536:

What i can’t undestand is why is all this happening. Don’t you Anet run tests for theese features before putting them into live?

Me as a WvW player (and i suppose that most of the WvW would support me) I’m fed up.
Everytime we have a patch we already know that the WvW content will be…almost inexistent.
In addittion every patch we know also that the following days you will down WvW so you can fix your mistakes on the previous patch.
We know that we’re just getting ignored about some basic features like account Wxp ranks, group buff priorities, GvG system, etc…

The funny thing is that we can all live with theese things until you screw us in a way that makes WvW unplayable for organiced groups.

Next time if something goes wrong (like it happened with this new effect feature that nobody cared about btw) just roll back to the previous version inmediately or test it harder before it goes live.

This…

No please. The bugs broken stuff is the only thing keeping WvW interesting. If the will have to roll back everyt time, we’ll never get updates.
Then you can say goodbye to gems like “Golemrush the map while the enemy has ountmanned buff”-Mastery that are most certaily already in the preparations.

selan.8354:

Slomo.1029:

Perfect runes for bad players. Dont dodge -> make insane damage. Need to be tanky for that tho.

oh now u guys talk like that , now that u all can stack it huh? thats what we told u guys to begin with. dont spam buttons, but u kept crying and now that u have it too next to hundreds of skills we dont have u tell us the same thing! of course u dont kitten spam! we got nerfed soo kitten hard in terms of confusion that stacking was made neary impossible and now 1 kitten rune manges what we were never able to do, while we though gave EVERYTHING else up for viable stacks like that.!

I dont really get what you are talking about, but I assume you are a mesmer trying to explain to me why the confusion nerf was bad in the first place.
As a Mesmer myself I can say that the confusion nerf was needed. The galmour builds are still strong in certain moments. But they are (and always were) boring to me.

This rune however is bullkitten for the reasons you described. I agree.

Perfect runes for bad players. Dont dodge → make insane damage. Need to be tanky for that tho.

Tyialo.6532:

Hey guys, we are now on piken. Hope to get some great fights this week!

See you on BL’s!

I dont like your decision to go to Piken (basicly this means we wont be in reach for each other for a long time now) but I wish you best of luck. May the motivation be with you!

Had quite fun today. Hopped from ele to the mighty [TUP] mesmer blob (a guildie had the same idea so we were even 3 mesmers tonight O.O). Had some ok action here and ther. Would have been better if we could use any skills but ok.
Poor Gandara BL had to host this clusterkitten today.

Just wait till I have a bit of time again. Then I’ll hop on my mesmer for a raid and we will be even more blobby!

Lets assume servers wouldnt crash and we wouldnt have any skill lag.
I bet the first precursor I get dropped in this game that Guardians would be the only class in WvW. Running in Blobs, using only heals and shouts and hope the enemy blob has more people who for forgot to turn auto-attack off.
Retaliation.

Twinny.9304:

Slomo.1029:

I would rather have seen a video with voice com!

I would of rather heard ur voice com when u pulled that off it was kittening ace hats of to u TUP great move.

Little lost asuran playing with his kite = Ideal fishing bait

Im sure next time we see a little asuran playing with his kite we’d be regrouping and buffing up lol

And looking back on that clip how embarrassing we all run out of food at that point.

Thats what the unlikely plan is all about.

I would rather have seen a video with voice com!

Hiddo de Beste.4680:

LOL number one troll TUP with the kite had us all laughing our kitten off hahahaha nice one one of us has got it one stream!

Thanks mate. It was glorious!

Acotje.5689:

OhaiTaco.6801:

Malismo.3287:

flameinabox.8913:

Malismo.3287:

AG => All Germans

But I’m British Q_Q

Than act like one and dont blob like a ret**d

Owow, daily laughs, thanks.

Stop touching tips with PUNK and Kale. And we’ll stop this apparently blobbing with a huge zerg of 25.

Sorry.

Pls forgive.

Pls.

All in all though, some kitten good fights though out the night, hope you guys keep this up for the rest of the week

This wasnt about you FIRE
We came from UW border, where TUP rddt HoB RL+pug’s was running as 1 grp
Skill lag was worse then a SM lordroom fight

Did they? If I recall correctly we had 4 seperate commanders on that map.
I admit we had 2 or 3 HoB guys on our voicecom. But we ran seperatly for ages. Ofc people always ball up if they want to take a keep against 3-5 ACs at every gate.
We wiped many times too, but unlike you we dont leave a BL when we lose a Keep.

Have to say, UW we are impressed. This never ending fights, this fighting spirit, its great. I hope you can keep it up all week with this constant action. Much love. <3

EDIT: The obligatory [TUP] is looking for nice GvGs for 15-25 people for Tuesday or Thursday.

Jayne.9251:

If they are going to do this, it’d be ideal if it was region free …. Meaning EU and NA guilds could join same map.

Well, you are definetly thinking of a different Anet than I do. Because I can say almost certainly that Anets developers dont even have GvG on the horizon of their schedule. Maybe there are some concepts of a few content designers who were really motivated and did some extra hours, but thats it.
Cant sell weapon skins trough the gem store off that.

Aberrant.6749:

You also have this awesome greatsword you can drop from the sky and use to spin/dash away with. I noticed you forgot to mention that.

If you’re just turning tail and running you’re doing it wrong. Eles also have multiple ways to CC people trying to chase/hurt them. Use them.

Oh yea, forgot that. Thats a viable option. Guess whakittens an elite skill too.
Yes, I am kitten at running away. Most of the time I stay and kill stuff or accept my own death. But my point still stands, other classes have more mobility, but nobody talks about it. Its always Eles or Thiefs.
Never a Necro with perma Conditions and dealing 2k of dmg per tick or the fact that Guards are the backbone of every group play and wihout its not possible to get anywhere.

Master of Timespace.2548:

So an elementalist crying that someone got away via 240second cl dash? Sorry, I have only 1 thing to say about this: WHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAH

Sorry what? I cant remember the last time I could get away from someone as ele. Lighting Flash and RTL might be nice and stuff. But any thief just catches up 3 seconds later. And sadly 90% of roaming WvW population are thiefs. I always ask myself if I missed some skills besides RTL, Lighting Flash and mabye Fire 3 to make some distance. Because I dont see a Thief, melee Ranger or a Sword/Horn Warrior lose to Ele any day. And nobody is talking about mobility of those classes.
Running away from stuff like Necros and Guardians doesnt count.

But if you combine something like a Ranger (or really a “Closer”, melee version) with the Norn skills it gets quite funny.

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

Seregon.2187:

also: we need a second worker in our keep

When you have Tiggy, you don’t need a second worker in your keep!

DavidTurner.3095:

They’re also sneaky little gits when it comes to strategy. I’m loving it. I hope you guys are too.

Sneaky little gits? We prefer to think of them as Shadows in the Warp!

woooooot? tiggeeeeeey?
Now that I know your Account name I will be reporting who I am, where I am, how many friends I bring and what I ate for breakfast. In future matchups. <3

:D

Grizz.6872:

Really sad move Aurora, nothing but blobbing on your HL tonight.
Well it was an Unlikely Blob, if you know what I mean

Yea sorry. After a week of Abba and low numbers raids pepole suddenly show up from nowhere again because they want some action.
Turns out ca. 35 are needed for Drakkars numbers tonight.

I liked the part in the lates blog where they referenced to devons 6,5 month old blog about WvW.
Seems like its not worth mentioning what you are really working on. Just suprisees like the really, really usefull traps.

Gandara I want your butt on my screen tonight. Plz god of random generated numbers. Make it happen!

QQ just simply has the best portal bombs. <3

edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSjgTzWoMP0