Guild Wars 2

he was saying fight night at the windmill. you will find plenty of duels on Thursday night.

[EDGE] is still up for a GvG. We are new to GvG so don’t be intimidated lol :p PM me

We deserve the consideration. Bronze league is really awesome and competitive, but AR/DR/GoM/KN are all there because their server somewhat imploded, however we are extremely stable.

In the first 10 months we only won TWICE – once in January and once in May. Then starting on August 17th, we’ve won 7 out of the last 13 matchups!!!

Against 3 of the bronze servers we have split 1-1 in our most recent 2 meetings.

We’ve never really gained or lost any significant #s due to transfers. We’ve pulled ourselves out of almost a year in Tier 8 simply by recruiting and training PvE players and dedicated Fergs fighting our kitten off.

We’re also a very friendly community that respects each other and works together and we are welcoming to new additions.

Consider becoming a Ferg. Have a little faith and make the leap, chances are you’ll never look back.

DH you better appreciate [FUN] because they are saving your kitten at night and if you don’t then someone else will, I know we would.

Ragnar.4257:

Solstice.1097:

Ragnar.4257:

Solstice.1097:

Ragnar.4257:

WvW isn’t supposed to be fair or balanced. Remember?

Your comment is irrelevant to my post. You’re referring to a dev post that it will never be balanced like sPvP is, which is true, but clearly there is a common goal for the matchups to be as exciting and fun as possible within the imbalanced system.

I’m just suggesting we find a more accurate way to rate servers that accounts for the pre-season transfers as well as a schedule that makes a bit more sense. It would appear the schedule was designed specifically to avoid ties instead of to achieve fun.

You’re asking for a system to allow the server-ratings to properly reflect the transfers that happen pre-season. Why? So the schedule properly reflects the strength of servers. Why?

Because you don’t want the season to be decided by a poor schedule rather than how servers perform in their matches. You don’t want some servers to have an “easy” schedule and get an easier ride to the top of their league, possible beating better servers who have a “hard” schedule.

Face it, on some level you want a fair competition. You don’t want it 100% balanced in every tiny detail like sPvP, but you do want it balanced to an extent, at least in terms of the schedule.

If you actually have no interest in fair competition, why do you care about the schedule?

But it appears to me that you do want fair competition, to a reasonable extent. Sadly for you, and the rest of us:

DevonCarver.5370:

At no point did I, or would I have, said “Fair competition” WvW is not intended to be “fair”.

I think you’re exaggerating what Devon was saying there. If you’re simply saying nothing will ever be done, then you are mistaken. The servers already WERE matched by rating. Why? Because it’s more fair. So there is immediate evidence that yes these things are taken into consideration.

I don’t see that evidence at all. The first week of the schedule has the servers in the same order as the random-matchups left them, but after that it’s pretty random. I see no evidence that the schedule is designed to reflect the rating of servers.

In EU gold league, servers that were T1 at start have more matchups against servers that were T3, than against other T1 servers.

it could be more fair is part of my OP

Right now if each server won based on their initial rank (i.e. no upsets) they wouldn’t even finish in order!!! If there were no upsets the points would look like this:

rank 1
rank 2
rank 4
rank 3
rank 5
rank 7
rank 6
rank 8
rank 9

It’s better to be ranked 4th place than it is to be ranked 3rd so you get an easier schedule and win 3rd place.

DH and KN fighting over FC’s stuff again and not interested in actually fighting each other zerg vs zerg????

#yawn

Ragnar.4257:

Solstice.1097:

Ragnar.4257:

WvW isn’t supposed to be fair or balanced. Remember?

Your comment is irrelevant to my post. You’re referring to a dev post that it will never be balanced like sPvP is, which is true, but clearly there is a common goal for the matchups to be as exciting and fun as possible within the imbalanced system.

I’m just suggesting we find a more accurate way to rate servers that accounts for the pre-season transfers as well as a schedule that makes a bit more sense. It would appear the schedule was designed specifically to avoid ties instead of to achieve fun.

You’re asking for a system to allow the server-ratings to properly reflect the transfers that happen pre-season. Why? So the schedule properly reflects the strength of servers. Why?

Because you don’t want the season to be decided by a poor schedule rather than how servers perform in their matches. You don’t want some servers to have an “easy” schedule and get an easier ride to the top of their league, possible beating better servers who have a “hard” schedule.

Face it, on some level you want a fair competition. You don’t want it 100% balanced in every tiny detail like sPvP, but you do want it balanced to an extent, at least in terms of the schedule.

If you actually have no interest in fair competition, why do you care about the schedule?

But it appears to me that you do want fair competition, to a reasonable extent. Sadly for you, and the rest of us:

DevonCarver.5370:

At no point did I, or would I have, said “Fair competition” WvW is not intended to be “fair”.

I think you’re exaggerating what Devon was saying there. If you’re simply saying nothing will ever be done, then you are mistaken. The servers already WERE matched by rating. Why? Because it’s more fair. So there is immediate evidence that yes these things are taken into consideration.

I’m just saying the rating system being used is severely flawed by the large transfer waves prior to the season.

Yes Anet can only influence and not directly control population imbalances, time zone imbalances, skill, tactics, etc. That’s why it will not be “fair” however they have 100% control of the matching system, the league system, the rating system, the rewards offered, without even changing the gameplay in any way.

Ragnar.4257:

WvW isn’t supposed to be fair or balanced. Remember?

Your comment is irrelevant to my post. You’re referring to a dev post that it will never be balanced like sPvP is, which is true, but clearly there is a common goal for the matchups to be as exciting and fun as possible within the imbalanced system.

I’m just suggesting we find a more accurate way to rate servers that accounts for the pre-season transfers as well as a schedule that makes a bit more sense. It would appear the schedule was designed specifically to avoid ties instead of to achieve fun.

sounds pretty even I wonder if a lot of that is roamers or what because the most I’ve seen them take is the 10 minutes that they had 2 keeps once.

anyway good fights so far! (except sadly our EB has been consistently commanded by, shall we say, a ‘learning’ commander that has proven terrifically ineffective this week).

Arius.7031:

Solstice.1097:

it doesn’t help that KN has their attention on us. it’s what they did week 1 with HoD they just went for us cuz they were scared of HoD. I mean right now you have their bay and hills and what do they do? hit FC hills. lol

It’s actually interesting to note, that they’ve actually dedicated ever-so-slightly more manpower to our BL than to yours:

http://www.gw2score.com/server/Kaineng

Another interesting thing to note from said site, is that they’ve flipped Anz more than any other tower in EB (which is smart, it’s the most vulnerable tower in the map). So it seems to be the case that they’ve focused both about equally, and if anything focused Dh a little more.

i dont think that shows how much “attention” youre getting but rather how much success they’ve achieved.

example we’ve had to wipe KN zergs at our valley keep so many times I can’t count, but that doesn’t show up on those stats.

and in your BL several times they have left their spawn and ran a zerg straight to lake/tower on our side and tried to take those from US when south camp/vale/briar were never even flipped.

on FC and idk i ran into FUN a few times and noticed nothing unusual. i hear they are fairly new to WvW and actually were very tight considering.

is this all just because of a few emotes? sounds like the hate is coming more from within than from without. what would a “fun” guild be without emotes? Now i’m kind of offended they didn’t emote at me :*(

if someone drops stuff in the way they do not have any “advantage” on getting in. They still have the same methods of entry that you do.

Watch the wvw interface and as soon as the scores start to drop start spamming the BL that you expect to be the least queued.

inb4 cries of “population imbalance so it doesn’t matter.”

population imbalance is a different story. Yes it exists I’m just saying it needs to be accurately reflected in the season, making sure the servers are in the right places is the most basic fundamental way to reduce the # of huge blowouts.

Prior to leagues starting a lot of transfers occurred without enough time to allow ratings to adjust nor any mechanism to factor in this change. Example Kaineng is seed #1 in NA Bronze league. This messes up the entire schedule because Kaineng is not even close to a top 3 contender but the schedule is based around this.

Some servers play each other three times and some play once creating even more imbalance when a server that plays 1st rank three times vs a server that plays them once or twice.

We need to:

A) admit that transfers render the rating system invalid and either find a better way to rate them or lock transfers for a few weeks prior to season starting. (and this is not even admitting the truth about servers ‘tanking’ which is a different story)

B) make a fair schedule.

I propose for A) that we have an official Pre-season The pre-season would be specifically designed to determine rankings and schedules for the league and would have its own rewards to encourage play to limit “tanking” or sandbagging ratings. The pre-season would be announced in advance and a player’s server would be locked in at the start of the pre-season (the server you’re on as of start of pre-season is what your wvw rewards will be tied to).

B) have 8 weeks. With NA Gold as the only exception, all servers play each other server twice. not 3 times, not 1 time, exactly twice each. If 2 servers tie, the tie is broken by total points scored in the 2 matches the servers played each other.

oh and if one of those happens we will be tied. two of the three has to happen for us to get 3rd straight up.

3 out of 7 matches against HoD is a tough spot to be.

lol for FC to get 3rd we have to beat DH this week AND one of the following has to happen in week 6/7:

FC beats HoD
DH does not win in AR/DR/DH
DH comes in 3rd place in SF/DH/ET

which of those is more likely?

Junkhaus.4301:

I’ll admit, I’ve been spending a lot of time on Fergistan. Something about the way the natives run away at the sight of you makes you feel like a boss. DH has been so nice and polite last week, I like them. Most of their roamers don’t runaway scared like that other server we’re against. Cheers, DH.

lol if you’re looking for FC roamers our own BL isn’t where you’ll usually find them.

you’re probably finding people doing map completion

Mooncow.6847:

“It doesn’t help that KN has their attention on us. it’s what they did week 1 with HoD they just went for us cuz they were scared of HoD. I mean right now you have their bay and hills and what do they do? hit FC hills.”

I still don’t get why you still say that. Week 1 probably upwards of 90% of our focus was on HoD.

This match up has been very fun so far

yes it has been very fun.

but from where I’m standing we pretty much leave you alone and focus on DH. if you’d do the same DH wouldn’t have ~13k lead right now.

players on your server have admitted the same thing so I don’t really care if you don’t see what I see (not trying to sound like a jerk just truth)

Arius.7031:

Solstice.1097:

Arius.7031:

Solstice.1097:

lol DH “wait until they go to sleep” was the only way you were going to get your hills back.

you’re lucky you outnumber us overnight or we’d hold it all week.

You’re right, when you outnumber us during the day it’s really hard for us to take back a fully upgraded keep that you’ve sieged to the max. Btw, you’re missing a few WP’s.

at least I get to wipe your zergs during the day.

you’re just banging on empty doors hope that’s fun :/

That’s not what it’s like at night lol. I play at night 1/2 of the time, and each server can field at least one decent sized zerg, as well as numerous roamers/roaming groups. It’s not always just player Vs. door lol.

I know it sucks to lose at any particular time. Can’t really blame us for having better coverage though :/.

no blame if you see my other post I’m curious where the night crew came from because when we faced you 3x in a row in pre-season your night/morning crew was virtually non-existent.

it doesn’t help that KN has their attention on us. it’s what they did week 1 with HoD they just went for us cuz they were scared of HoD. I mean right now you have their bay and hills and what do they do? hit FC hills. lol

Jeknar.6184:

Ynot.8397:

Your definition of easily is one of the worst I have ever seen.
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/48/97
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/48/107

If you think you need a 100k lead to call a matchup easy, FC need to take back a lot of statements about easy wins… I’m just talking the same language you guys use.

no idea what you are talking about.

meta gives you a key.

you don’t have a chest to open with it yet.

go to spawn and walk through the LA portal.

i didn’t realize there was another way to exit.

what im confused about is DH had like zero night crew before leagues. nobody has spoken of any transfers. were they always there and just not playing? they’re saving your kitten just wondering why they never used to do that.

skullmount.1758:

Solstice.1097:

Arius.7031:

Solstice.1097:

lol DH “wait until they go to sleep” was the only way you were going to get your hills back.

you’re lucky you outnumber us overnight or we’d hold it all week.

You’re right, when you outnumber us during the day it’s really hard for us to take back a fully upgraded keep that you’ve sieged to the max. Btw, you’re missing a few WP’s.

at least I get to wipe your zergs during the day.

you’re just banging on empty doors hope that’s fun :/

Well they still get loot and Wxp. Probably more than us at NA primetime.

idk man i filled my 113-slot inventory probably 6-7 times in DH BL yesterday wiping zergs and for some reason Kaineng would usually leave their spawn and run straight to lake/water to attack our stuff instead of moving up the west side of the map….. i don’t know why they did that but it contributed to the loot-fest.

Arius.7031:

Solstice.1097:

lol DH “wait until they go to sleep” was the only way you were going to get your hills back.

you’re lucky you outnumber us overnight or we’d hold it all week.

You’re right, when you outnumber us during the day it’s really hard for us to take back a fully upgraded keep that you’ve sieged to the max. Btw, you’re missing a few WP’s.

at least I get to wipe your zergs during the day.

you’re just banging on empty doors hope that’s fun :/

lol DH “wait until they go to sleep” was the only way you were going to get your hills back.

you’re lucky you outnumber us overnight or we’d hold it all week.

hey Kaineng. DH’s BL is 100% paper. just sayin

kitten KN just capped DH bay and garrison. Props KN I wasn’t sure if you had it in you. Let’s see more of that

the biggest factor in DH vs FC is what the 3rd server does

Kaineng can totally decide who wins this week if they want to.

Jeknar.6184:

Solstice.1097:

Good reset by DH to take an early lead.

Better pad that this weekend because this week is going to be long and difficult.

But since DH has a shot at 3rd and FC really doesn’t I think DH has a motivational advantage over FC. So while otherwise I would predict we win by 20-30k, in this scenario I predict this to be super close all the way through.

unless…. we totally destroy you on Tuesday when PvE content releases.

Why would you predict you’d win over a server that already defeated you? (even if it was for a single tick)

Tell me more about the logic behind it, I’m curious (seriosuly).

We played DH 3 weeks in a row right before season 1. We beat them all 3 times.

Yet they managed to squeak a win out in week 2. So even though they’d lost to us 3x in a row they still pulled out a win. So clearly when DH and FC are involved, who won the previous meeting doesn’t mean squat.

Good reset by DH to take an early lead.

Better pad that this weekend because this week is going to be long and difficult.

But since DH has a shot at 3rd and FC really doesn’t I think DH has a motivational advantage over FC. So while otherwise I would predict we win by 20-30k, in this scenario I predict this to be super close all the way through.

unless…. we totally destroy you on Tuesday when PvE content releases.

DH’s blob in our BL is so big it makes my FPS go negative and my computer crashes

ahh i can’t wait any longer I want blood!

yawn

Message Body length must at least be 15.

Can I ask what you perceive as a bigger problem; giving rewards to those who may not deserve them, or giving no rewards to those who do?

It’s like asking which is worse; letting a criminal go free or convicting an innocent, and I personally agree with the latter.

I say decide what rewards are appropriate, put them in place, and as you start to see the ways in which it can be abused you will much more effectively be able to tweak it to prevent said abuses.

Jeknar.6184:

herrard.1274:

lol that’s unfortunate but completely understandable

Well, I wish AR and ET luck in their match against GoM. May your loot bags be many and your wipes few. Cheers.

If you understanding is because I want to see FC lose, you’re wrong. I want to see DH getting second from SF (even tho it will be just a tier in the end).

yea well they would have to beat SF to pull that off. You’ll be in that match so if somehow DH beats us this week it will mostly be up to you to keep the pressure on SF for DH to have a chance.

but right now DH shouldn’t even be thinking of the SF fight. They better put all their focus on this week if they want to beat us.

Jeknar.6184:

herrard.1274:

Anyway, we need the break. It’s going to be a long week playing against DH again. We expect another monumental close match. Wish us luck (-=

Sorry but I’m on Darkhaven side…

that’s why we’re going to win.

There’s no reason for ET to cry I’m sure they are used to losing by now.

lol love ya mid/lil bro

I saw APX last week for the first time in teamspeak but haven’t noticed them in the field, although I am not the best at paying attention to guild tags. But I can confirm they are in fact Fergs now.

From what I’ve seen PPK runs 5-10 man groups in BLs when they are on. Can’t remember what times that was. I don’t think their whole guild transferred, at least not yet, and at least a few of them are oceanic.

Game on tonight!

DH and FC get a chance to rematch their week 2 nail-biter. Also, Kaineng appears to have stabilized somewhat since the league started and I for one am looking forward to some great fights all around.

Also [EDGE] is down for 5v5’s, 10v10’s, 15v15’s. Possibly 20 or 25’s depending on day/time. PM in game to set something up!

nothing that happens on wed/thu/fri means anything unless its a close match.

this late in the week is usually yolo karma time however in this situation if I were ET I would not want to lose to AR and if I were AR I would definitely want a 2nd place finish.

Times like that where I personally don’t care I still recognize server morale as a whole is impacted by how you finish and thinking about growth and future battles doing the best you can is always in your server’s best interest.

Manoa.5897:

Solstice.1097:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Solstice.1097:

Let’s look at facts bro – for example SF/DH/ET match. You got down to 105 PPT on Sunday night and down to 145 PPT at 8am Friday morning. Besides those two dips the lowest you ever reached was like 170 PPT but almost always kept it at 200+. And wednesday, thursday, friday you had the PPT ead at 5am.

Lowest we reached this match was +5 PPT Monday morning around 6am server (though I think we were able to increase that to +15 for the tick).

Oh no!!! You used facts in your argument here, I am not sure they will understand what you are trying to stay…

Yeah, I’m that super low PPT was all just a figment of our imaginations. And mos.millenium’s too.

Can you not read? I was referring to your closest match SF/DH/ET. You’re simply pointing out HoD has a strong night crew which nobody is denying.

Yeah, I can. Hence why I deleted the post before you posted your snark. Don’t need to be such an kitten about it.

lol sorry for being a kitten we are all in bronze for a reason and that reason is mainly we all lack 24/7 coverage. if SF’s day crew had HoD’s night crew it would be a middle-silver server.

wow aggressive filter there – as badly overnight as you did

Manoa.5897:

Solstice.1097:

Let’s look at facts bro – for example SF/DH/ET match. You got down to 105 PPT on Sunday night and down to 145 PPT at 8am Friday morning. Besides those two dips the lowest you ever reached was like 170 PPT but almost always kept it at 200+. And wednesday, thursday, friday you had the PPT ead at 5am.

Lowest we reached this match was +5 PPT Monday morning at 6am server (to the best of my knowledge, who knows, there may be a chance that we may have dropped to 0 PPT at one point).

yes this particular match HoD got you down to 15 on a tick but HoD would do that to any bronze server. they have “two and a half” asian guilds.

having played all the bronze servers in the last 4 weeks the only servers to consistently beat us overnight have been SF and HoD.

HoD actually didn’t beat us as badly overnight kitten did, but that was week 1 when we (and they) had a lot more PvE players flooding things and diluting results.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Solstice.1097:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Solstice.1097:

I bet HoD and maybe SF could beat HoD. I also bet HoD and NSP would be a very close matchup.

SF doesn’t lack a night crew any more than the other bronze servers does, except for HoD and their asian guilds which they may lose when the asian servers go online.

LOL, and you expect to be taken seriously? Everyone knows we lack a night crew compared to every server except maybe the bottom 3 of Bronze. MAYBE. I usually like reading your posts because as antagonistic as you like to be you usally make valid points, but with this one you are way off base.

you seem to think other bronze servers actually have night crews and you dont. no, we all lack a legitimate night crew except HoD, and even there’s would be just about the worst night crew in silver league.

Some of us have early morning crews starting around 5-6AM server time but I’m not considering that a night crew.

Again, just because you THINK something is, does not make it so. You can find many, many, MANY references to SF’s lack of night/morning/work day coverage in other threads, people comment all the time about how lesser population server make up PPT overnight/morning/work day.

Convenient of you to try and apply your thoughts on it as fact, but it just is not the way you “see” it.

SF’s lack of night crew is just more noticeable because of the contrast to your huge NA prime.

You’re saying I can find references while also saying that those references are irrelevant because it doesn’t matter what people think. And those references are certainly from either SF or HoD. Of course SF feels that way and from HoD’s perspective nobody has a night crew in Bronze.

Let’s look at facts bro – for example SF/DH/ET match. You got down to 105 PPT on Sunday night and down to 145 PPT at 8am Friday morning. Besides those two dips the lowest you ever reached was like 170 PPT but almost always kept it at 200+. And wednesday, thursday, friday you had the PPT ead at 5am.

So I still have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

Is ET gonna steal 2nd place from AR!? It’s so close! I’m kinda rooting for AR because I don’t want to see any server get 3rd in all matches.

What i see happen a lot is a server’s NA prime will stay up extra late to increase a lead or close in on one. The next day their enemy decides to stay up a bit later to counter what they perceive as a “night crew” only to find nobody is around (because they burnt themselves out the night before) and end up just flipping everything without resistance or really burning themselves out too much.

Wrong FC is going to kick DH’s butt in NA week 5.

just watch.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Solstice.1097:

I bet HoD and maybe SF could beat HoD. I also bet HoD and NSP would be a very close matchup.

SF doesn’t lack a night crew any more than the other bronze servers does, except for HoD and their asian guilds which they may lose when the asian servers go online.

LOL, and you expect to be taken seriously? Everyone knows we lack a night crew compared to every server except maybe the bottom 3 of Bronze. MAYBE. I usually like reading your posts because as antagonistic as you like to be you usally make valid points, but with this one you are way off base.

you seem to think other bronze servers actually have night crews and you dont. no, we all lack a legitimate night crew except HoD, and even there’s would be just about the worst night crew in silver league.

Some of us have early morning crews starting around 5-6AM server time but I’m not considering that a night crew.

Andrew Clear.1750:

Solstice.1097:

also then if server A caps all of server B’s border, it doesn’t give them a point lead over server C.

Then why even bother leaving your own BL to cap something? There would only be fights in EB, if you can’t get points for other BLs.

including EB you can’t get points for enemy stuff. plus there is a map a cap.