Guild Wars 2

yes i suggested that once you hold something for 24 hours it begins to decay upgrades and unless things are continuously researched they will revert to paper.

also then if server A caps all of server B’s border, it doesn’t give them a point lead over server C.

i said it before make it so enemy objectives are worth no PPT to you and the game becomes about DENYING enemy points while holding your own.

SMC would be the only thing that gives points to whoever holds it.

the max PPT you could then get would be 255

If you owned all maps the score would be 255-0-0 per turn

Making objectives worth more if they are upgraded is a bad idea. The bigger server will have the more upgrades creating an even larger gap in PPT.

Instead, you should earn bonus one-time points when capping an upgraded structure, depending on how upgraded it is. This makes the stronger server a more attractive target and works towards encouraging the double-team against first place that needs to happen for competitive WvW.

Kills need to be more important yes. If kills were a higher percentage of total score then by default PPT is a lower percent, meaning night-capping would have less of an impact on the overall score without penalizing the night crew in any way.

I would suggest 1 point per kill, and +1 for a stomp with bloodlust, so every kill is worth at least a point even if its not a stomp, however this creates 2 issues:

1. door wide open for griefing (repeatedly dying to give enemy points)
2. it should not be possible to win purely on kills – owning structures and macro strategy should still be a largely important factor in the winner.

To solve those I would suggest:

1. diminishing returns on loot and wxp also applied to points from kills. In other words, players recently killed do not give another point. I would go a step further and add that you do not give the enemy points if you have outnumbered buff on.

2. if the kills become too large of a portion of total points, the PPT value of structures could be increased accordingly to create the appropriate balance between the two. Or I suppose more likely, reduce the kill points to 0.75 or something.

i think if you take turns on rams/catas you each get the achieve. i think you just have to hit it with some sort of siege. and i also think that initially you could get credit for DPS on a gate and that was changed after season started.

i could be wrong.

i agree with mercenaries but demolition isn’t hard rams, catas, trebs, any of it.

find a few people who also need it and go take turns. depending on the match and location it will be easier or harder obviously. also near end of the week i can’t imagine people really caring that much about mastery or not.

but seriously just get mastery its not expensive.

RedStar.4218:

Solstice.1097:

SF fight sucked because GoM was too scared to fight them so we got 2v1’ed all week in EB. I Don’t think we got more than 1-2 upgrades on anything in EB all week except our keep which also flipped daily.

If it was DH or HoD or someone else with us and SF we would have had a very close match. I mean look at 6 weeks ago FC/DH/SF that was freakin epic 3-way too-close-to-call match all week. Then look at week 2 league the closest match of all freakin time.

Wait, what the hell are you talking about ? I gather you are from FC. Yet, there hasn’t been any match up GoM/FC/SF.

lmao idk why I said GoM I meant DR

I think you’re mistaken. unless something changed recently, darkhaven does not really have a night crew, even less than SF does.

also your reference of SoR tactics is confusing. if you’re referring to large blobs in EB that is actually just a response to SF’s own 50-60 man blobs in EB.

If you merged AR/KN/GoM it would create a low-silver sized server that would beat NSP and IoJ and HoD but not sure how they would do against CD/Ebay

and as far as uninteresting names, thinking from the point of view of a freshly installed player looking at server names, I think the short straw goes to ferguson’s crossing with an honorable mention to eradon terrace and devona’s rest. you say sorrows is negative and uninteresting but Sea of Sorrows is gold league.

problem is when people ask themselves if they did the best they could, they often incorrectly answer “yes” because they aren’t aware of what more they could do.

if they were aware, they would have done it.

if you’re not recruiting, you could be doing more. if you’re not helping train and encourage the less-experienced, you could be doing more. if you’re not promoting voice comms or on it yourself, you could be doing more.

the list goes on and on.

So i think the #1 question to ask yourself is: did you have fun?

style.6173:

Punny.9210:

What will u do with TC ? they will just blow out everyone not T1

I’m not convinced TC would dominate. Since the leagues began, they have lost ZN, EP, KH, and RoT. They are much closer to a t2 server than a t1 server at this point.

Curious where did these guilds go to?

if it were separated by my OP method, the rating gap from top to bottom of each league would be (based on current leaderboards):

diamond – 104
gold – 331
silver – 237
bronze – 230

under the current system the rating gaps are:

gold – 379
silver – 416
bronze – 230

Current average gap = 342
Proposed average = 225

in other words, a 34% reduction in the gap. If you take bronze out of the equation since it didn’t change, it’s actually a 44% reduction of the gap for gold and silver.

Atherakhia.4086:

Solstice.1097:

Chuck Zitto.2367:

Bronze league faces the same problems the other leagues do. Servers like SF IOJ HOD DH and GOM have so much more population/coverage than the bottom ranked servers of DR AR ET FC that a match ups are almost always a blowout in bronze league by one of the above servers. As for the FC guy above you guys just happened to get a very easy match up this week facing probably the two lowest populated servers of NA.

oh really? in the last 6 weeks FC has beaten every bronze server except HoD.

We’ve gotten 2nd place the first 3 weeks of the league (or is this the 3rd week?). Each loss was because we were horribly out numbered. The first 2 weeks we were paired with a server that gave up half way through and we couldn’t hold out in a head to head match-up. SF was lawlworthy at its finest.

SF fight sucked because GoM was too scared to fight them so we got 2v1’ed all week in EB. I Don’t think we got more than 1-2 upgrades on anything in EB all week except our keep which also flipped daily.

If it was DH or HoD or someone else with us and SF we would have had a very close match. I mean look at 6 weeks ago FC/DH/SF that was freakin epic 3-way too-close-to-call match all week. Then look at week 2 league the closest match of all freakin time.

I don’t know who you are but if you didn’t enjoy those matches then nothing will ever please you.

King Amadaeus.8619:

IDK know why people keep saying stuff like:

We were beating server X by _ points on Tuesday….

Every match is different, even if its the same 3 teams just on a different week. Different things are going on outside of WvW that impact the matches, too many variables to account for.

was just using clint’s flawed logic to show it’s silliness

titanlectro.5029:

Solstice.1097:

I bet HoD and maybe SF could beat HoD. I also bet HoD and NSP would be a very close matchup.

SF doesn’t lack a night crew any more than the other bronze servers does, except for HoD and their asian guilds which they may lose when the asian servers go online.

Umm…

Those HoD vs HoD fights get nasty.

HAHAHA oops I meant HoD and maybe SF can beat IoJ

Sigmar.2185:

Solstice.1097:

It seems based on populations that almost everyone would win with 4 leagues in NA.

Diamond – BG/JQ/SoR
Gold – TC/Mag/SoS/FA/SBI/YB
Silver – DB, BP, Ebay, CD, NSP, HoD
Bronze – IoJ, SF, DH, FC, GoM, DR, KN, ET, AR
(…)

No way mate, has your division suggested ELITISM!

Why can’t David face Goliath?

Have you ever ask why Major professional sports leagues in the United States (NFL, NBA, MLB, and NHL), they don’t form any championship with the top/best 4 teams for the long season?

Can you imagine FIFA (Fédération Internationale de Football Association) organize the World Cup of football (soccer for NA), only restricted to the 4 top national teams (ex: Brazil, Germany, Spain, Argentina), and denied the tournament extended to 32 national teams?

I could go one with the Olympic Games or Car Racing’s and still you won’t find similar what you propose, because a tournament is not only about win, the competition and diversity of the opponnents will provide experience, entertainment for many and the share of knowledge between all envolved.

yea i’d love to see a football game where it’s 11 vs 2 and the game is 24/7 for a week.

Chuck Zitto.2367:

Bronze league faces the same problems the other leagues do. Servers like SF IOJ HOD DH and GOM have so much more population/coverage than the bottom ranked servers of DR AR ET FC that a match ups are almost always a blowout in bronze league by one of the above servers. As for the FC guy above you guys just happened to get a very easy match up this week facing probably the two lowest populated servers of NA.

oh really? in the last 6 weeks FC has beaten every bronze server except HoD.

Journey’s Edge is a PvX guild, no requirements, with a goal of creating the most enjoyable GW2 experience possible for all its members.

I used to be one of the only WvW players in the guild, however over the last 2-3 months we have grown into the 2nd biggest if not the biggest WvW guild on our server.

We use Teamspeak and we run PvE, dungeons, fractals, all guild events, etc, but as far as WvW goes we now:

—> Field around 30+ on reset
—> Most nights we have 20+ in WvW
—> Coordinating builds
—> Putting together GvG team
—> We have about 10-15 commander tags in the guild and we are very willing to help people get their tags if they want to command and train them as well.

Like the subject says we have some room so if you are interested send me a message in-game. I may not be on much tonight but tomorrow I will definitely be on for reset!

Also is there any matchup NA that wasn’t decided within 3 days?

if we had this system in place with a reset every 3’ish days I think most people would have a much more awesome time.

I bet HoD and maybe SF could beat HoD. I also bet HoD and NSP would be a very close matchup.

SF doesn’t lack a night crew any more than the other bronze servers does, except for HoD and their asian guilds which they may lose when the asian servers go online.

AR mesmer when we take ogrewatch how are you able to get underground inside the mountain to hide?

herrard.1274:

clint.5681:

You guys werent really talking about anything anyway, this thread is so boring without me.

Boring is how we like it.

Match up threads where FC is in the lead are usually quiet because we aren’t forum warriors and don’t like to start needless things.

It’s different when other servers are in the lead. Too much chest thumping happens.

we do have one individual that usually does 75% of our forum warrioring but he doesn’t seem to be around this week much.

What I’m interesting in hearing is:

If you’re a T1 server is it fun facing rank 4, 5, 6 or would you rather have T1 fights?

If you’re T2 is it fun fighting T1 or would you rather fight the top 3 of silver?

If you’re T3 is it fun fighting the other silver or would you rather fight against T2?

If you’re T4 or T5 is it fun fighting T3 or would you rather have T4/5 be its own league?

It seems based on populations that almost everyone would win with 4 leagues in NA.

Diamond – BG/JQ/SoR
Gold – TC/Mag/SoS/FA/SBI/YB
Silver – DB, BP, Ebay, CD, NSP, HoD
Bronze – IoJ, SF, DH, FC, GoM, DR, KN, ET, AR

Under current system:

Nobody can compete with the top 3 so if they want to stack themselves, fine, just don’t make us other servers fight them. Maybe the monotony of being isolated in top tier will help disenchant some players with tier 1.

The bottom 3 of gold can’t compete for 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, while the top 3 of silver don’t have any real competition. Match these 6 servers together and you’ll have some fantastic fights.

Removing the top 3 from silver league would leave a highly competitive league.

Bronze league is already awesome and competitive. I switched HoD with IoJ because I believe HoD is stronger now. That could change but in the off-season we should have matches that cross those league borders to ensure we have the rankings right going into season 2.

Thoughts?

Nick.6972:

Platinum – BG/SOR/JQ
Gold – TC/FA/SBI/MAG/SOS/Yak
Silver -
Bronze -

A better option, but people would still complain.

Actually 3/6/6/9 would be FANTASTIC! So much so that I’m going to make a separate thread about it.

Advent.6193:

Quit selling our guys short, Solstice. One can argue that’ll just kill off morale. A much more amusing end would be a 3rd place tie between us and DH. It’s not impossible, at this rate.

well to get tie for 3rd either we have to beat HoD or either AR or DR has to beat DH.

I think we’re better than DH and next week I intend to prove it, but the way the matches are scheduled is not in our favor.

I’d much rather stomp DH and get 4th than get stomped by them and get 3rd due to schedule.

anyway where the hell have you been? I haven’t seen you online recently

clint.5681:

Yeah i definitely want to be on those servers, ET is a cool server tho.

@Ynot you mention SF and you better expect me to be coming around the corner

alright beetlejuice we get it

Keiel.7489:

Waiting for a bronze leaguer to complain about their top 3 being stacked.

Pretty much every week Bronze leagues’ biggest blowout is still closer than the closest gold or silver match. Only about 1/2 the matches we know who will win vs 90%+ of them.

I am speaking for NA FYI

FC will be 4th in bronze NA, not GoM.

WP contest mechanics are due for a revision. I have suggested this many time also in an attempt to help ease the disparity of #s between servers. Right now you can get into a lords room only to have a 50 man blob spam WP onto your face. That’s broken. Or you can lose a keep to a 10 omega rush before the WP even opens. That’s broken as well.

They should make it so waypoints can still be used while contested, but the use is limited to something like 1 player every 12 seconds, so players can scout, begin to start building siege, etc, but a giant blob can’t spam in during a siege – the 5 folks per minute would have to be enough to hold the enemy from capping while the main forces run from the nearest WP.

This means the WP should not de-contest every 2.5 minutes. It should stay contested as long as the keep is taking damage, or for as long as there are enemies inside of it.

It’s also dumb that from EB if I need to go to Garrison and spam WP it’s a 50/50 whether I end up in Garrison or at Citadel, depending on how fast the BL loaded.

Here’s my prediction for season 1 final results:

HoD – 35
SF – 31
DH – 27
FC – 25
GoM – 23
DR – 15
ET – 13
KN – 11
AR – 9

Darkhaven your win over FC by a hair earned you 3rd place. We need to petition Anet not to have patches within 2-3 hours of reset ever again. All of FCs golems were eaten by the patch when you were only ahead by about 300 points. I hear you also had golems eaten as well. Such a BS end to an incredible fight.

clint.5681:

Huh and yet you guys float over to our threads while at the same time telling people not to come to yours. That doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense.

Also Solstice I think we both know you don’t have a counter argument for what I posted in the bronze league match up thread , hence the lack of reply.

Also throwing around random numbers doesnt mean anything really, you literally just posted a few numbers and said a bunch of nothing.

lol @ this guy.

clint.5681:

Lol you all seem a little bitter about something

You’re the newb who thinks DH doesn’t have a chance against you because “they barely beat FC who you beat by 100k”

But we’re 52k ahead of ET on wednesday. When you played ET you were ahead by 20k on wednesday.

So by your own logic you don’t have a chance against FC. ???? You guys just can’t count.

But I forgive you because I’m guessing you’re just really bored at work like I am. lmao

I really hope after leagues we get HoD/FC/SF or HoD/DH/FC or FC/SF/DH or HoD/SF/DH

any of the great matches that DO NOT EXIST in this stupid schedule :-/

oh wait its not Tuesday is it ROFL! ok youre down 38k we were down 42k.

we can take SF if there is a competent 3rd server in the match. besides FC/DH/GoM we haven’t had a good 3-way fight all season and we won’t get one.

clint.5681:

Didn’t DH almost lose to FC, the server we almost beat by 100k? And didn’t DH lose to us by almost 50k? I’m not saying you guys didn’t improve or whatever but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

wake up big bro.

When FC faced HoD, as of Tuesday morning we were closer than you are right now.

after capping everything during the day our evening crew got careless and lazy.

at this point we’re just fighting for loot, karma, etc. but AR/ET’s fight over 2nd is looking pretty intense.

we FC are not going to get 3rd place because if we beat DH next week we’ll be tied, but then we face HOD twice in a row while DH gets AR/DR so they’ll get another 1st place and we will not.

capmasterflash.5690:

Zen.1965:

If you wanted chest thumping worthy fights you transfered to the wrong server bros. But let’s be honest, was it really for that… Or was it just to pad that first place bronze league server? Maybe if you stick on HoD and they get bumped to silver you’ll whistle a different tune.

Much <3

Our choice to move was a due to a confluence of factors, but padding HoD was not one of them. The goal is for HoD to move up to Silver League so we can have more fights!

As for chest-bump worthy fights, there is something to be said about fighting against even (give or take 10) numbers, it’s amazing. In TC the fights were almost always stacked against you or just massive skill-lag fests. Bronze League has been great and this match-up has been a dream. SF and GoM are really great competitors.

help spread the world to the upper tiers that bronze league is not all ghost towns

Based on my current matchup I just realized how HUGE the momentum really is. I mean, I knew it was important, but it’s really everything in a match that COULD be close but is not. At all.

The difference is a server can put up a great rest weekend and keep it interesting and fairly close until overnight on sunday or some off-peak time everything gets flipped to paper and then it’s GG karma train all week.

One of the sad but true facts here is stacked servers get a lot more loot, achievements, WXP, karma etc.

That’s one of the biggest reasons why people will not transfer down.

Maybe we should triple magic find in bronze league and double it in silver, or in some other fashion compensate for this disparity.

yes there will be. they are learning things from season 1 that will go into season 2.

my guess is there will be 4-6 weeks of RNG between seasons 1 and 2.

if you’re in a common place for people to run by, then you’re fair game.

if you legitimately want to duel /beckon and have them follow you somewhere less obvious.

if you duel by an objective and I happen across it on my way playing WvW I am going to jump in for my loot, unless you are quick enough to type something in /say chat so I know you are dueling.

pedrst.3127:

Solstice.1097:

I have to give ET credit for their siege usage. You guys have all the right siege in all the right places to defend your stuff. You make it incredibly difficult if we can’t keep things paper. Nobody is going to take your garrison this week unless it’s while you are asleep.

Was this the time when you guys had a couple golems running around in the capping circle after the lord was down?

We also made both AR and FC run for their money in Bay couple minutes before. You guys were hungry for our 5 Oz man

We tried to keep you busy in Bay while our other group golem rushed your garrison. We were hoping AR would help us keep you at Bay but they must have left?? because then you pushed us out with 30+ and when we regrouped in Garrison lord’s room nobody was tapping the gate so I’m pretty sure your WP was open the 2nd half of the fight which led to our eventual wipe.

I recalled dropping rams at south bay gate and instantly having them destroyed by a treb or mortar from inside. Then I dropped a treb in vale and it was instantly destroyed by a treb – the treb didn’t even miss once. And you had a treb on the south hill at Garrison that can hit water gate which I’ve never seen before, but effective for sure. And inner NE garri had ballistas and catapults and the works.

Just so much siege and people who know how to use it :-/

Let’s make the week-long matches a “best of three” scenario. Servers A/B/C play three 56-hour long matches. For each match first place gets 5 points, second 3, third 1. After the week is over total points wins and ties are broken by total PPT points scored.

This puts 3 resets, 1 NA, 1 in Oceanic, and 1 in European time. The benefits are immediate:

—matches too short for a blowout to get out of control
—losing team has multiple opportunities to try different strategies and coordinate better to improve their odds
—each major time zone gets to have a reset night which could lead to upset victories
—more useful platform for providing participation rewards to encourage new players
—everything turns back to paper – if you’re getting blown it out it probably is already but your fortified enemy is now back on your level

I have to give ET credit for their siege usage. You guys have all the right siege in all the right places to defend your stuff. You make it incredibly difficult if we can’t keep things paper. Nobody is going to take your garrison this week unless it’s while you are asleep.

there is no way to make dynamic queues work without ruining the game for many players.

the issue comes down to timezones. you get a NA server vs an Oceanic server and now neither of them can play because their enemy can’t lift the queue cap for their time zone.

Actually I think if a voting system was implemented where each server could vote what server(s) they want to face, we would end up with some awesome balance because almost everyone, at least the vast majority, wants competitive matches. Also, Anet would no longer have to take the blame if the match-ups were unfavorable.

It would be worth a test.

Arius.7031:

Solstice.1097:

Arius.7031:

Solstice.1097:

umm FC finished closer to HoD than DH did.

Again, we gave up, you probably didn’t. And we beat you, so…

You beat us yes. But you were only ahead by 490 points with 1 hour left in the matchup. It was epic and thoroughly enjoyable and it’s going to earn you 3rd place, even after we beat you next week, since we still have 2 more matches against HoD.

I will feel kind of bad if we win next week, I want FC to share 3rd with us lol. You guys deserve it. Lose/lose for me, if we win you guys don’t get third, if we lose we lose our shot at 2nd. Sad :/. Still can’t wait rofl.

you get 3rd either way because after we beat you we play HoD twice in a row.

Arius.7031:

Solstice.1097:

umm FC finished closer to HoD than DH did.

Again, we gave up, you probably didn’t. And we beat you, so…

You beat us yes. But you were only ahead by 490 points with 1 hour left in the matchup. It was epic and thoroughly enjoyable and it’s going to earn you 3rd place, even after we beat you next week, since we still have 2 more matches against HoD.