Guild Wars 2

take hills south gate, or garrison water gate, or other examples where there are super-high cannons that AoE cannot reach and an AC is not enough to keep people off.

ballistas are a necessity in those cases.

or if there are cannons AND people manning ACs protecting the cannons making it too tough to AoE the walls. a flash-built ballista can save the day.

also the 4 skill can instantly down a group of people. a few ballistas with mastery can down an entire zerg if they get too close.

ballistas are crucial for quickly taking out enemy siege i.e. cannons and oil and anything else. also for destroying people coming through choke points.

they’re under-used but not under-powered imo

Um, what’s a queue?

Sincerely,

Bronze league

Fishbones.6914:

Solstice.1097:

Blackjack.2083:

Yea but, what about FC lol

lol Believe me, you don’t want him critiquing FC.

cmon it will be fun(ny)!

guise – they aren’t going to increase the # of players per map. this means average queue time is not going to go down unless wvw population drops.

there will be NO solution to queues unless it involves LESS people in wvw on your server. period.

get that through your head and ask yourself what options do you have left?

1. hope population goes down
2. transfer
3. sit in queue

any other choices?

Terrahero.9358:

Solstice.1097:

Terrahero.9358:

Solstice.1097:

condi trains can be quite effective but not just 1-2 necros in the group.

get a train of 10 necros and 10 guardians and a few eles/wars in there and you can really wreck some kitten.

the enemy has condi cleanses but not unlimited.

But while you are trying to burn through their AoE condition cleanses, they are already killing you with direct-damage.

if they don’t have a lot of guardians in their group theres no way they’re getting near a necro+guard train. lotsa guardians can hard-counter it though.

There are exactly a lot of guardians in WvW. :P

got me there.

Blackjack.2083:

I’m slightly ashamed to admit this but I will be honest and admit that I recently transferred from NSP to HoD. I will be the first to also admit that this was a mistake and plan on going back to NSP at this end of this first week. However, I do have, in my opinion, some unbiased observations about HoD and for that matter FC after facing them on NSP and now on HoD.

First I will say that HoD has a lot of people. Way better numbers than what I ever saw on NSP and could rival most Silver League servers, at least in NA primetime. However, what they do with those numbers and how they utilize them is not that impressive. In EB it essentially equates to one massive zerg that runs around from one tower to the next. They don’t really upgrade towers, remotely even come close to laying siege effectively, slow response times, and a real lack of reacting to threats at two locations at once….even when they have the numbers to do so. They are currently relying on a massive numerical advantage but against any server in Silver League they would get destroyed.

I’m sure they won’t want to hear that but it’s the truth. They do have the potential to move up but they need to improve in those other areas in order to succeed. Even if they don’t need to do those things right now to win it would, at the very least, be good practice. The community seems good, people are nice enough, they have great numbers….but that stuff won’t be enough against Silver ranked servers. You have a much larger population than NSP and probably IoJ but I’d put money on either one of those servers beating you….and anyone above that wouldn’t even be close.

Yea but, what about FC lol

Terrahero.9358:

Solstice.1097:

condi trains can be quite effective but not just 1-2 necros in the group.

get a train of 10 necros and 10 guardians and a few eles/wars in there and you can really wreck some kitten.

the enemy has condi cleanses but not unlimited.

But while you are trying to burn through their AoE condition cleanses, they are already killing you with direct-damage.

if they don’t have a lot of guardians in their group theres no way they’re getting near a necro+guard train. lotsa guardians can hard-counter it though.

The Baws.5164:

He’s a backstab perma-stealth build. I’m kind of going off Thief as I really don’t find them that enjoyable in PvE…

Is there any way to make it so that Warrior can deal with not having stealth? When I tried duo roaming with my friend on my Warr I really got owned but I was full zerker which probbaably didn’t help xD

a Hammer + mace/shield warrior with PVT gear traited for condi removal and lemongrass poultry would probably wreck kitten with a backstab thief.

stunning the enemy will make it really easy for him to get off his backstabs. plus you’d be tanky with lots of blocks.

depends on the thief’s build what’s the “best” synergy.

condi trains can be quite effective but not just 1-2 necros in the group.

get a train of 10 necros and 10 guardians and a few eles/wars in there and you can really wreck some kitten.

the enemy has condi cleanses but not unlimited.

there are 2 stages of event at earch merc camp.

one of them is to “calm them down” when they are another team’s color.

the other is when they are neutral and to gain their favor.

regardless of how well or ‘correctly’ queues work, the average wait time will not change unless the amount of players goes down.

the queue per map is not going to increase.

the only resolution you’re going to get is a new map that overflows that does not count towards match points and has yet to be seen if it will be any fun.

that and the “gvg” map will potentially reduce population on the borderlands.

Besides those band-aids the only thing Anet can do is offer incentives or motivate people to destack and spread out. They should fix the queue but like I said it will NOT change the average wait time in queue except for those who know how to trick the current system.

Meanwhile all you can do is either kitten and moan or take upon yourselves to spread out. You made virtual friends once I’m sure you can figure out how to do that again.

Still I ask the question would you rather have queues on your maps, or would you rather have no night crew and during the day unable to muster the numbers to defend both EB and your BL at the same time?

romainette.2369:

on vizunah we have more than 6 hours queue for eb, and 4 hours for borderlands, of course for the people non using the ‘taxi’ system’

seems like an awfully long wait for a gold dolyak

i kind of agree it takes 1 person to guard against 1 person so it’s not really an advantage as each side has 1 person taken out of the fight – and doesn’t it kick you for inactive if you lie dead for too long?

but even if someone thinks it’s wrong no point in complaining because people on their server do it too.

Reverence.6915:

Solstice.1097:

the same servers that are crying about queues STILL have recruitment threads going so I really don’t get it.

The recruitment threads are for WvWers, not PvE achievement hunters who don’t help out their server, take up spots in the borderlands and won’t stick around after they get their achievements.

Also, based on numbers tonight, none of the T1 servers had queues across all 4 WvW maps. Think about that.

so there’s not really a problem then?

im not suggesting anyone in particular should transfer.

what i’m saying is there are plenty of servers for everyone so anet isn’t going to point-blank solve the issue. they’ll give you the edge map where you can overflow yay whatever.

the same servers that are crying about queues STILL have recruitment threads going so I really don’t get it.

Guru.1582:

Actinotus.6410:

Guru.1582:

Solstice.1097:

hope your friends keep you company while you’re in queue. meanwhile we can barely queue one map to save our lives.

#nosympathy

Maybe yooooooou should join a different server and stop whining!

See? See how unhelpful that is?

How about rewording it -

“Stop whining or join a different server?”

A fool’s choice. Pretending like there’s only two options. How about option 3: Anet stops putting the cart before the horse and anticipates how its design choices will impact player experience?

There should have been systems in place to account for long queue times they had to know would exist. They went ahead without these systems and now they’re gonna hear about it.

Fools Anet already gave us what we need to avoid queues. What’s that? PLENTY OF SERVERS.

although if they did something like give you queue priority based on how long you’ve been a member of the server that would really discourage more stacking.

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

Solstice.1097:

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

there is so much text in this thread oh my god

fightin that good fight in hodbl tonight.

wow you guys found it congrats!

ive only been in hod since reset what u talkin bout

leave cookie crumbs on your way so the rest of your server can find it too >.<

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

there is so much text in this thread oh my god

fightin that good fight in hodbl tonight.

wow you guys found it congrats!

JahRo.6432:

Narsil.6579:

Mercabre.7123:

Narsil.6579:

Narsil.6579:

Please HoD i must know how do i get skill?? We have equal numbers and stuff but idk how we can hold you at times, your skill makes my computer lag half the time, it sucks to be a commander and play on a potato! Btw here is my zerg and your zerg fighting, and this is the mighty numbers we field.

here is my zerg after we all wped back.

Wow. EB, you must be pro. QQ about pug groups.
GvG us if you think you’re better or fightclub for 1v1’s Thursday 8pm. Until then, kitten. We’re fighting the real players of FC in your BL.

Lol yeah GvG gl Im mostly on from my guild, 1v1 sure I don’t mind, but that doesnt make your server so skilled , cut the crap, your server is full of fairweathers and PvE pugs, and its not even that, you can run your guild around and feel so pro. Why didn’t you use those tactics in Silver leagues, I for one think NSP has more guts then the lot of you. As for Kain, you guys are doing alright, I see your group holding out on HoD. Gj guys , HoD will most likely win 1st this season, but if you don’t want to fall to the tiers of AR and DR to push you down to last place, I’d fight for 3rd place if I were you. Fergy is going for 2nd or 1st if somehow we pull magical numbers this week.

Get your thong out a knot.

nah that’s just 15 mesmers.

hope your friends keep you company while you’re in queue. meanwhile we can barely queue one map to save our lives.

#nosympathy

Noobie.1073:

Umm, last time I checked there were three servers in this match and every server can travel to any of the 4 maps?

i dont think most of KN realizes they are allowed to go to HoD BL.

wow HoD you guys are silver league #s in NA prime. rest of the day you’re upper bronze but right now you have our border queued with a large EB zerg and holding 1/2 of KN BL and when I go to a camp in your border I get swarmed by 10-15.

STAHP!

Theftwind.8976:

Solstice.1097:

just found HoD mesmer inside bay chased him to where he chose to die at the grate so he could get rezzed from outside.

just thought i’d share since some HoD were crying about someone on my server who did that.

That was me! I made sure to die there but I was not rezzed from the outside. You missed the thief that was still inside who rezzed me when you all inexplicably took off and left me with no guards. So I was rezzed and set a port. Dying there is not the issue and being rezzed through the gate until they fix it is not the issue as well. (although HoD would not do so) The issue was when your mesmer dropped stuff out of inventory in order to keep resetting timer!

lies you specifically swam 1/2 way around to stop at the grate and then let us kill you there. why would you do that if you were not intending on getting an external rez?

now that the weekend pve-fest calmed down this match has become very competitive.

nobody has had 300 PPT at a tick for like 9.5 hours. good fights too!

just found HoD mesmer inside bay chased him to where he chose to die at the grate so he could get rezzed from outside.

just thought i’d share since some HoD were crying about someone on my server who did that.

if someone knows how to do it from the API I’d be curious to see the data on points by border. i have a feeling the # of points HoD has earned in KN border is like 80% of their lead on FC.

dont have time for long response but learn to read the maps closely and often and high awareness is key. use choke points but dont get caught in them. try to keep enemy in siege range but dont get yourself caught in heavy siege. stay very mindful of supply. simply learning how, when, and where to place siege can take a whole lot of practice by itself.

the best way hands down though is to get in TS or whatever your server uses and follow the best commanders and listen closely to them. most of them will gladly explain why if you ask them. most servers’ veteran players welcome new people with good intentions and will teach you willingly.

actually server stacking and imbalance are the real issue. people refuse to spread out. there are nearly empty servers and there are ones where nobody can even get in. the only true solution is spread the kitten out people.

transfer costs should be based on wvw rank though, although not without limitation. the first 100 people each month to transfer to a server should get a discount based on rank.

example first 100 people per month get discounted price of:

1800 – 100*(server rank – 6)

Jade Quarry – 2300 gems
Isle of Janthir – 1000 gems
Anvil Rock – 0 gems

The 100 limit is to prevent massively stacking a low tier server and messing up balance even more.

i’m pretty sure it was only 1-2 HoD guys that were trying to chest thump. and after the beating they took last week I’m surprised it’s not more so I think that speaks well of the server as a whole.

The only #s gap that was really significant was on reset night.

In reality the only issue I can complain about is how the season schedule does not put HoD in any tough 3-way matches. Considering KN has about T7/T8 population now, every week HoD has a server in the match that is as weak as KN or weaker.

At least ONE of these matches should be in the rotation but none of them are:

HoD/FC/SF
HoD/FC/DH
HoD/DH/SF
HoD/FC/ET
HoD/SF/ET
HoD/DH/ET

so basically the schedule itself is totally flawed by kaineng’s incorrect rating as the top seed.

Mooncow.6847:

Bllade.1029:

haha all the FC are going “No way man HoD totally outnumbers.”

It’s all a matter of perspective

Yeah guys you’re not outnumbered, you’re just looking at this from the wrong perspective

wait so on reset did you queue all 4 maps purely with skill then? teach me your ways!

HoD does have more #s but it’s not a huge gap over FC. besides reset night, since then it appears only to be about 10-20% more than us. Kaineng are the ones who are outnumbered – kudos to all the KN who stuck around keep up the fight!

Justine.6351:

Lol @ wanting nsp.
After this run hod will no doubt be silver and you will get your nsp. They will roll ya just as hard if half their server doesn’t transfer by then.

I think HoD is just having a good week. Since reset night they’ve only hit 400 PPT twice and Kaineng looks like a T7/T8 server. If we had HoD/FC/SF I’m not saying HoD wouldn’t win but I can guarantee you the match would be very close.

Noobie.1073:

Just my observation, but most commanders now are just trying to find their footing.

i hope they find their footing in HoD’s kitten .

Cassiel.8762:

Solstice.1097:

KN stop pushing us while we’re trying to push HoD. Hit them at the same time kittenes!

Not gonna happen. Unfortunately, most of the Kaineng commanders left (who can only provide maybe 20% coverage) are ones who ignore the defense of an upgraded keep in favor of capping a supply camp elsewhere. How can you expect them to grasp that Kaineng should be hitting HoD?

is there someone in KN who knows strategy we can pool together and buy a tag for? i feel like it would be in our best interest. >.<

KN stop pushing us while we’re trying to push HoD. Hit them at the same time kittenes!

Sean.8274:

Solstice.1097:

yep KN looks like a T8 server now.

hod/fc/sf week 6 is bronze championship match. although DH and ET are holding on very close to SF.

There is no FC/SF/HoD matchup. Round 6 is FC/HoD/GoM

Source

Its too bad…a matchup like SF/HoD/FC would be epic.

NOOOOO so we don’t get a championship match that’s dumb

A good commander should know where to be on the map. This requires ability to prioritize and closely watching the map and anticipating.

I don’t like to pop tag until I’ve been on a map long enough to understand what’s going on – this includes knowing what’s upgraded and what’s got supply and how many #s each side has and what they’re doing. But this also includes watching and knowing what’s going on in the other BL’s. I’m sure in upper tiers you can stay just focused on your own map but down here in bronze league it would be pretty rare for us to even have a tag up in each map let alone have a zerg in each one. Our best commanders do a good amount of map-hopping.

yep KN looks like a T8 server now.

hod/fc/sf week 6 is bronze championship match. although DH and ET are holding on very close to SF.

Narsil.6579:

Solstice.1097:

no sure if liking new mesmer build or just running into lotsa newbs.

Dire way too op bro..

lol i bet it is but i wouldn’t know. i only have like 350 condi dmg.

no sure if liking new mesmer build or just running into lotsa newbs.

Sir Tripsalot.1803:

My predictions for bronze league:
1. SF
2. HoD
3. FC
4. ET
5. DH
6. Kain
7. GoM
8. DR
9. AR

week 6 will determine 1/2/3 regardless of what anet says. HoD/FC/SF fight that week and it will be the most epic fight evar!

this week HoD had a big reset and KN has just fed them points since.

this has been a pretty even match after the 24 hours of reset. reset ftw

no queues down here. suck if you got one, but yea no sympathy carrot-chasers

KN is too kitten to hit HoD ironically if they would this match would be close. Week 6 HoD/FC/SF is the real championship match.

Ynot.8397:

Kaineng needs to leave and let ET play. I would prefer a server that didn’t roll over and die when we fight the HoD horde. Please and thanks.

this although rather than leave KN take your BL back and when you decide to play offense hit HoD.

at this pace HoD already owes KN a round of drinks.

Don’t you people realize that WvW has not gotten the attention it has deserved and this new influx is bumping WvW up on Anet’s priority list? The issues we are experiencing right now are growing pains. I’m sure it’s frustrating for many but long-term this is the best thing that’s happened to WvW since I can remember.

But at the end of the day you and I are all speculating and it won’t be too long before we see who was right.

BTW plenty of servers have no queues or at least not on all maps. There are enough servers to handle everyone the issue is that we aren’t spread out enough. Instead of crying about queues just spread out.

Bottom servers don’t have enough people. Top servers have too many. How is the solution not kittening obvious?

Anyway the servers who are kittening and moaning about their puggers are the ones who will have crappy retention rates after achievements. The servers who embrace and mentor the puggers are the ones who will come out of this ahead.

beastly reset by HoD! Queuing all 4 maps OP. But its only been ~14 hours. Those puggers are gonna have their carrots before the week 6/7 matches which will likely be when 1st place is actually decided. Things are gonna get more and more interesting as the season progresses.

a lot of people think skill lag is when their FPS drops. >.<

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Oh, I might be wrong. I think I heard somewhere the league ranks are based on LAST weeks results. Still puts Kain in Silver though.

they aren’t because they said they are waiting til this week’s reset to announce the schedule because it isn’t decided until this match is over.

and kaineng will be rank 16 which is bronze. NSP is 15 which is silver.