Guild Wars 2

i made a new build wanting to test it out but I cant find any NSP or DH anywhere running less than 6-7 man groups.

boo

I am on FC and over the last few weeks we have had matches vs 23/24 and currently 16/17

In other words, the lowest 2 in the league and top 2 in the league.

Against bottom 2 servers here was the final score
178 644
227 386
209 948

Against top 2 servers, 24 hours into reset, here is the score
27 834
33 922
28 716

JOIN FC AND SEASON 1 YOU WILL NOT BE ON EITHER END OF A BLOWOUT!!

that is all.

Solstice.1097:

Norn Sex Party

15 char

oh i missed the part about not removable by Anet.

kitten Punch. kitten that doesn’t work either.

Nutty Squirrel Pirates? PG13 sucks

Norn Sex Party

15 char

so last night i was doing a little intel and partied with a DH and asked what he knows about NSP as far as coverage and tactics etc. He gave me some generic info about peak times and the condi trains etc.

then i partied with an NSP and asked what he knows about DH same question. His answer? “They’re hackers and cheaters and we all hate them”

lol was a little surprised by that. i don’t see any hostility on the forums???

its just one guy probably kittened off about something stupid but thought i’d see if anyone knows what he might be talking about??

wow DH and NSP both so many necros and guardians! ouch

roostapro.9827:

Because your attitude is angelic right?..

In fact, 10 pages and most of the replies are from Fergs trash talking…

Hmm, odd that right?

ET has too many feelings involved in this. That’s why you are at risk.

We are hardcore and our trolls are breaking some of you. Get mad its ok. I just hope we rematch.

roostapro.9827:

Solstice.1097:

ET uses more arrow carts than any server I’ve ever seen.

It’s smart they are very useful!

Except when Warlord tells us our server sucks because an outmanned group used ACs to defend a keep.

ET you need to quell your server attitude of this type of leader or you’re going to implode when faced against more stacked servers.

Excuse me,

But don’t tell our server what we can and cannot do, tell us how to do such and such, and how to act.

If any case, maybe you should be telling your own server instead of (yet again) whining about how you are losing and (again, as usual) pushing the blame elsewhere.

Now I remember why I despise FC and wish death to your server but that is another matter as well on a personal level.

I could, and probably will next match up against FC, explain further, however I have had a rough day as it is and lacking any motivation to do much today.

But again, you do not know anything about ET so you should not tell us what and how to do things.

i know about what warlord posts on forums and what your member said about the attitude there and your attitude in this post.

1+1+1=take my advice

ET uses more arrow carts than any server I’ve ever seen.

It’s smart they are very useful!

Except when Warlord tells us our server sucks because an outmanned group used ACs to defend a keep.

ET you need to quell your server attitude of this type of leader or you’re going to implode when faced against more stacked servers.

No stat buff in the BL would be acceptable. Not across all maps though!

EB should not have any stat buffs anywhere.

Stat buff in that map only is awesome idea. You hold your BL you get a buff in it. If enemy wants to take it they have to fight vs a buff. If they want to take the buff away they have to split up. They do not have a buff from other BL’s to counter you buff.

ET your lead went from ~37k to ~17k

this was a close match.

you won because the weekend lead you took was too much for us to recover from.

pray for a rematch everyone.

I don’t think it could or would ever make it so you cannot attack the allied team players.

Instead maybe whenever the top server has a 25k+ lead the other 2 servers are unable to cap each other’s stuff, making it pointless to do anything except double-team the top server. Once (if) the top server is back under 25k lead it goes away.

maybe all is fair in love and war and wvw is supposed to involve espionage and treachery?

but then again that would mean its competitive right? and Anet caters it to casuals. so that makes no sense either.

because it would create population imbalance is not a valid argument. there already is horrible imbalance. let those people have their imbalanced game. let’s have a separate match for people who want to win with the same #s as their opponents??

there would still be a total of 1 less total server than there is today. the majority of the people joining leagues would be from upper tiers. this means the populations would actually be closer together than they are now.

or is it balanced already and competitive matches are easy to find?

Advent.6193:

Not fair, bringing Big Bro’s name in it … now we’re gonna get SF/ET/FC before leagues!

I welcome that matchup

scootshoot.6583:

Solstice.1097:

nothing.7941:

Nice out of the box thinking, but tbh I don’t think many would sign up. My impression is very few ppl want the league.

They would if WvW was competitive.

Everyone that doesn’t want leagues says so purely due to population imbalance and blowouts.

You forget this is an online game of which vast majority are casual players looking for the least amount of resistance with phat lewts as a reward.

there are 2 kinds of players in WvW casual and competitive.

i am trying to offer a solution that leaves the casual game alone and as-is while creating a competitive alternative for WvW players (those who’d be willing to spend gems on it).

just like there are casual sPvP players and those who enter paid tournaments.

Why is this so hard to understand?

It’s always the last place server in the match that ruins things.

1 will go for #2 because they’re the threat. #2 WANTS to go for #1 to pull off the upset. Then pesky #3 hits #2 because they’re too scared of #1 and since #2 is already fighting #1 its their best bet.

3 servers you NEED TO ATTACK #1 server and #2 will help you do it!

TheAmpca.1753:

This wouldn’t fix population issues. Sure there would be no issues for the people who spend gems to get put into the league assuming the leagues fill up. However, this could potentially leave a massive population gap in the non-paid matchups. Say on NA all of t1-4 got in and no one from t5-down did except for SoR which sent no one into leagues. Now this is an extreme example but think of the leftover population disparity.

All the people who didn’t want to pay to get in would complain and still be upset

its an extreme example. in reality it would balance things better.

less servers and a lot of T1 would join the league reducing the huge gap between T1 and everyone else.

timidobserver.7925:

If google I am sure you could find some games that are pay to play. No game mode should cost gems.

There is sPvP free tourneys and sPvP paid tourneys.

suggesting it for WvW is not changing the ideals of the game. they already do it.

Solstice.1097:

style.6173:

Forget the paid part. Just suspend server WvW for a period of time. Instead allow everyone to sign up for one of 24 league teams. a floating cap would force all servers to be pretty close to even people wise.

This allows for competitive matches and guilds can all still sign up for the same team.

Works for everyone.

then they can’t sell the entry tickets. any idea has to = profit or it will never happen.

also this change would be forced upon whereas mine would be voluntary.

i’m trying to suggest a win/win/win (anet, pugs, hardcores)

style.6173:

Forget the paid part. Just suspend server WvW for a period of time. Instead allow everyone to sign up for one of 24 league teams. a floating cap would force all servers to be pretty close to even people wise.

This allows for competitive matches and guilds can all still sign up for the same team.

Works for everyone.

then they can’t sell the entry tickets. any idea has to = profit or it will never happen.

Darek.1836:

good idea but this isnt a pay to play game

Oh and there are already paid PvP tournaments so your argument is invalid.

nothing.7941:

Nice out of the box thinking, but tbh I don’t think many would sign up. My impression is very few ppl want the league.

They would if WvW was competitive.

Everyone that doesn’t want leagues says so purely due to population imbalance and blowouts.

Samhayn.2385:

Good idea but things like a server being NA heavy going against a Ocean heavy, so lots of people with no one to fight.

I dont think the oceanics would pay gems just to stack on a server and night cap.

They already do that for free.

Darek.1836:

good idea but this isnt a pay to play game

right you can just keep on playin regular wvw.

besides 800 gems for 8 weeks is 100 gems per week which is like what 4 gold?? per week. You can farm 4 gold in 30 minutes. 30 minute per week of farming isn’t that hard.

just gotta get used to the maps and what can hit from where etc.

sometimes you dont need to kill the AC. sometimes you need to cata from outside AC range. sometimes you need a quick ballista flash built. sometimes golems gotta push 3.

sorry i dont have any better tips

WarLord.8430:

I am not even on these forums
……
its all good you have no lives, you must all live on these forums

says the guy who tells us he doesn’t use punctuation because he is posting from his phone at work.

Here is another fantastic idea for you free of charge!!!

This would:

1. Anet would sell millions of extra gems on a regular basis
2. Those who enjoy the current system can keep playing it!!!
3. Those who want competitive WvW and dont play for rewards will finally see their dreams come true!!!!

Here it is:

We implement a Sign-Up league system. You don’t have to sign up for the league you can just keep playing WvW on the ladder the way it is.

OR you can buy a league entry ticket for 800 gems. Once 3600 tickets have been sold, they will no longer be available. the league will be an 8-week long match between 9 worlds that have no more than 400 players per world.

Once 3600 tickets are sold, the 9 league worlds are announced and players can use their ticket to pick which world they will join for the league. Again, no more than 400 players can join a world. When a world is full it is full.

Once the worlds have filled up, on the following weekly reset the league will begin and it will last 8 weeks of each server facing each other server exactly twice.

In addition to other rewards, each player on the winning world will receive a free league entry ticket to join the next season.

Important points

1. Limit of 400 per world is what I thought makes sense. There could never possibly be queues on all maps. All maps could be full only if every single player in that world was on at the same time which will never happen.

2. This will require 3 WvW servers. Additionally, it will reduce the population of the standard WvW ladder meaning the problem solves itself; We won’t need to buy 3 more servers because we can reduce the # of ladder worlds and consolidate population in NA down to 18 worlds and EU down to 21. This reduces # of ladder matches by 4 which frees up 4 servers so we repurpose 3 for leagues and one can even be turned offline or used as a backup or for something else.

3. Reducing # of ladder worlds is easy. Point rank 24 to 13, 23 to 14, etc. When Devona’s Rest logs in to WvW they are now on Yak’s Bend’s WvW. The WvW teams will be given new names. Your “server” is now where you PvE and now your “World” is where you WvW. A new WvW transfer option becomes available. After 2 weeks those who were “moved” to a new WvW server will get an optional free world transfer in case they aren’t liking their new home (but can’t transfer to T1).

4. In league play, all WvW masteries are reset and you start with 150 points to spend. Each week you get 50 more points to spend. This does not change your “ladder” masteries or rank points in any way.

Solstice.1097:

1. Point servers 19-24 to servers 13-18 when they enter WvW. Point 24 to 13, 23 to 14, 22->15, 21->16, 20->17, 19->18

2. Give WvW teams new “World” names (cooler ones) and create a separate “world” transfer option. Now the “server” you are on is where you PvE. What “world” you’re on is where you WvW. WvW is hosted entirely separate from PvE anyway.

3. Then after 2 weeks or so, those who were on servers 19-24 are given one week of free world transfer option in case they aren’t liking where they were moved to.

4. Now implement seasons – 2 leagues of 9 worlds. 8 weeks long where you play each other server exactly twice. Top tiers will not change at all at first, but silver league will now be fiercely and awesomely competitive, and those who are tired of the karma trains and blowouts of upper tiers will be attracted to silver league for actual FUN! The process of re-balancing has begun.

This would also keep Anet cash flow going with gem sales for transfers because a lot of upper tiers would transfer to silver leagues, and periodically top silver league teams would move into gold league perpetuating the process.

maybe if all the mobs were mercenary races like hylek ogre dredge and were only aggressive towards the winning server.

occasionally they would attack tower guards, dolyaks, etc. and once in awhile an NPC commander would show up and lead the NPCs on a legit assault of one of the winning team’s structures.

this has actually been suggested before although I don’t believe 2.9 days has. Would be interesting to have differently-timed resets.

i don’t see one reason why a week is necessary. in a competitive match it would be, but how rare are those?

skullmount.1758:

Don’t the benefits affect you WvW (all those +x% things, like using a resource node again, crafting, healing, etc.) players as well?

we used to do karma bombs on thursdays when consumables could be boosted.

that is the only effect I have ever witnessed or cared about.

most non-wvw players don’t even seem to know they get they are getting bonuses.

1. Point servers 19-24 to servers 13-18 when they enter WvW. Point 24 to 13, 23 to 14, 22->15, 21->16, 20->17, 19->18

2. Give WvW teams new “World” names (cooler ones) and create a separate “world” transfer option. Now the “server” you are on is where you PvE. What “world” you’re on is where you WvW. WvW is hosted entirely separate from PvE anyway.

3. Then after 2 weeks or so, those who were on servers 19-24 are given one week of free world transfer option in case they aren’t liking where they were moved to.

4. Now implement seasons – 2 leagues of 9 worlds. 8 weeks long where you play each other server exactly twice. Top tiers will not change at all at first, but silver league will now be fiercely and awesomely competitive, and those who are tired of the karma trains and blowouts of upper tiers will be attracted to silver league for actual FUN! The process of re-balancing has begun.

Still missing the point guys. I keep asking:

Are the benefits of having WvW linked to PvE servers worth the major population imbalances in WvW created by too many servers to effectively populate?

Actually we beat ET the last 11 matches which is why it caught us way off guard when ET showed up like they did on reset and the weekend.

I’ll say it again props to ET for the big improvement over past matches. I really hope we get a rematch tomorrow.

rallying off forest creatures is the most annoying and stupid.

you ET guys think FC is attacking you on the forums?

No we are just trolling Warlord because he’s a dumb.

The #2 server would always lose and #3 would win most of the time.

Meanwhile we are officially now T3 in forum wars and for that, Warlord, we thank you

WarLord.8430:

we never had a 40 man zer it was like less then 15 iom nd like less then 15 pk so I am guessing around 20 to 25 et u had 30 to 40 that pushed us out lol don’t make me post screenshots :p

The part about the 40 ET was in ET BL over the weekend, not Hills last night.

I bet TS did make you much better at coordinating. I bet nobody had a clue what you were talking about in map chat before

too many servers
+
not enough WvW players to populate them all
=
major population imbalances
=
WvW is rarely competitive outside T1
+
Changes that would only be good in a competitive scenario
=
disaster

My question is still whether having extreme WvW population imbalance is worth the PvE buffs and the answer is simply no. If anything it makes it worse because to get the best PvE buffs you have to go to the best WvW servers.

The only logical explanation is that Anet is leveraging the continued imbalance to force more and more players to transfer in order to continue to enjoy the game. Once the transfers to top servers stop coming in, they’ll find a way to break things up and repeat the pattern.

I personally would rather pay a small monthly fee and have competitive, balanced matches.

America (majority of NA players) has a HUGE inequality in distribution of wealth. The 1% are doing better than ever and the poor keep getting poorer.

How is this any different than the population imbalances in GW2 WvW servers? Although one issue is IRL and the other is virtual, it’s the same mentality creating the disparity.

Let’s all occupy T1 and /dance until it’s no longer competitive!

The only reason I am 100% joking right now is because it will never happen, but I imagine it and smile to myself

I dont like this idea but if I did here’s how it would go. There are 695 possible PPT right? subtract SMC and thats 660 which is 220 per server.

Add a +/- stat buff based on PPT. calculation? 220 minus current PPT = buff to all stats.

If you have 500 PPT you have -280 to all stats. If you have 50 PPT you have +170 to all stats.

and by join up I mean you all should join FC lol

They are announcing changes most likely on Thursday.

I don’t want to pile on a server to win. I want to join to be competitive so it’s still fun.

Winning in a landslide is no more fun than losing in one. Competition is where all the fun is.

zergs will not go away. the only reason we dont like zergs is population imbalance and no rewards for defense. I’d rather have a 50 man zerg hitting our BL 1 thing at a time, than have 5 groups of 10 each hitting something different at the same time.

Narsil.6579:

WarLord.8430:

lol, I actually never read that post, I just think we would be better together then split in my own opinion and others may agree or not. We have teamspeak3 server very org. open to all players of ET, a free home for all of ET, Cross channel communication through commanders and scouts. I am shouting out to all Hardcore WvW players that live in WvW like some of us, I give you props for loyalty to your server but you could always see it as a football season transfer over for the 7 weeks head back to your home server after season is over, you can always do pve on home server, the fact that we are fighting every server rank 13-24 is going to be the tough thing that we going to need to adapt to because the servers under rank 20 are going to be the tough thing for ET/FC/DR just because they going to have more coverage then all our servers put together, I usually wouldn’t say lets join forces but for the league I think we should put our feud aside.

So you want the WvWers from other servers to join ET? I don’t get it, even in the league matchup we are going to be kinda close, SF will be the toughest server if they go with the 4 * 6 model. So it would be a fight between SF, ET and FC for 1s ,2nd and 3rd. So we should all jump ship and join ET so we can win? Why not jump your ship and join ours? Why does it have to be ET? No i’m not joining ET and I’d rather die 100+ painful deaths in WvW to SF then hop ship just to win. Im sorry but I wont give in to no one!

it’s 2 leagues of 12 meaning over 7 weeks we fight every server rank 13+

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Solstice.1097:

Warlord actually stole his idea from me (see below) and just turned down the professionalism a few notches to make it more forum-appropriate.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/recruitment/Dear-low-wvw-pop-servers/first#post2882854

So now that ET is better than FC you will be transferring right? Or was that just an attempt to recruit for FC, which I wouldn’t blame you for doing btw.

lol, I’m not convinced ET is better than FC. We underestimated you is all.

A lot of people looked at WvW and saw ET/DR and thought “meh another lazy week” We had no idea y’all had stepped up your game until it was too late. Props to ET on the turnaround and I for one am hoping for a rematch on Friday

This has gotten off-topic. My point is we have a huge population imbalance across WvW and one of the fundamental questions should be, is 24 servers too many? 24 may be the right amount for PvE players, but does that mean it’s the right amount for WvW?

Are we are trading some resemblance of WvW population balance for PvE buffs, and if so, are we getting a good deal?