Guild Wars 2

Cantur its 1-6 7-15 16-24

sorry taquito for wasting this trolling opportunity.

to be clear, FPS drop is not skill lag. skill lag is when your skill button flashes and nothing happens. FPS drops are common in larger fights but i very rarely get actual skill lag even in a 3 way battle in SMC lord room with ~75-100 players nearby.

Svarty.8019:

You had me until you said;

“It’s a blobfest” -> now you gotta stop blobbing to escape the skill lag

I play in bronze so I rarely see skill lag because we rarely have large zerg v zerg. I’m just guessing the skill lag will ultimately split up the zergs.

Not saying skill lag is a good thing.

AndrewSX.3794:

It’s just the overflow of the PvE and AP hunter masses.

When they’ve got their achievements or new shiny PvE LS comes out, you’ll see how number drops.

yep the #s will drop but they will land above where they used to be, and once the players who leave get bored with their carrots they will not be afraid to come back to WvW because they kinda will understand it unlike previously.

Avatar of Belle.9623:

Whew. I thought this was an official list. I was outraged there was no bro-trio matchup. SF/ET/FC 4EVA.

i dont think there will be one. theres 7 weeks and 87 possible matchups

I think it’s right – in EU Arborstone and Whiteside ridge fight 3 times which are ranks 6 and 8 so ET and GoM should fight 3 times with the same lineup.

1st server is arbitrary and doesn’t matter so pick any random server and it’s matchup potentials are 8*7 = 56. There are 6 left pick a random server and it’s potentials are 5*4 = 20. 3rd match has 1 option and I forgot to add it so it’s 56+20+1=87

You can’t start with 9 because a server can’t fight itself.

Despite the growing pains (queues, puggers, achievement bugs, etc) I feel like new life has been breathed into WvW with the dawn of season 1.

The queuing problem will probably help with server population imbalance. On the higher servers some people won’t even be able to get into WvW enough to get the season meta achievement, so there will certainly be some spreading out as a result of this.

Sure, a lot of PvE players are carrot-chasing newbs, but a big portion of non-WvW players simply have never taken the time to get into it and understand it. It’s a completely different mindset and attitude from PvE – almost an entirely different game – a lot more players than many of you think are going to continue to enter and play WvW after they get their carrots. Why? Because its kittenING FUN why the hell do YOU play WvW? It’s the single most re-playable aspect of the game. It has never received the attention us hardcore players think it should and now we’re crying because it’s getting too much!?

Yes some leagues, NA Gold for example, are decided before they begin – but so many issues we’ve been QQing about for a year have been flipped on their head:

“WvW gets no love” -> the biggest living story achievement set ever? WvW season 1
“Server gaps too big” -> now even middle servers queuing all maps
“T1 gets too much reward” -> good luck T1 even getting in to WvW
“There’s no GvG” -> ok not league-related but they’re giving us a place to GvG!
“It’s a blobfest” -> now you gotta stop blobbing to escape the skill lag
“Matchups are bad” -> not perfect, but much better now

As far as NA goes, Devon really should be thankful he changed it to 6/9/9 instead of the original 12/12. Crystal Desert vs Anvil Rock or Jade Quarry vs Yak’s Bend would have been just laughable. Now Bronze league is super-competitive and fighting for 2nd and 3rd place in silver is going to be legitimately interesting.

Old Bones.5140:

Hmm. If this is right, someone needs to re-look at it. I can see everyone having one repeat of matches, but ET has 2 repeats. 3X Gom and 1 FC and 1 Hod. A couple of swaps would even us and others out some.

But, that being said. Let’s show everyone that the Bronze League is the best competition out there.

I may have made a typo or 2 but it’s at least 90% accurate.

We’ll get the real deal in a couple hours I just wanted to give a preview. Don’t shoot me if it’s wrong! (unless you’re Taquito because well that’s just what he does)

schedule by week by server rank in league

123
456
789

159
384
267

681
924
357

936
258
147

986
431
257

186
235
947

123
456
789

Lord Kuru.3685:

GrandmaFunk.3052:

the value of a match is the same whether it’s week 1 or week 7

and since it’s 7 matches, doesn’t that allow for every possible matchup to be played once?

In a League of 9 servers and 3 servers per match, there are a total of 84 possible matchups.

86 but yea i think it should be 8 weeks so we face each server twice not some twice some once.

styx.7294:

We don’t fight Henge of Denravi, what?

oops typo. had you swapped with DR on week 4. fixed now.

Schedule by week
1
KN/HoD/FC
DH/SF/ET
DR/GoM/AR
2
KN/SF/AR
FC/GoM/DH
HoD/ET/DR
3
KN/ET/GoM
HoD/DH/AR
FC/SF/DR
4
FC/ET/AR
HoD/SF/GoM
KN/DH/DR
5
ET/GoM/AR
KN/FC/DH
HoD/SF/DR
6
KN/ET/GoM
HoD/FC/SF
DH/DR/AR
7
KN/HoD/FC
DH/SF/ET
DR/GoM/AR

Looking forward to the Kenny / HoD Dawgs / Fergreatjustice match this week!

Kaineng – we haven’t played you since January when you became a bandwagon and beat us with this score:

501 665
48 992
38 815

HoD – haven’t played you guys since July – even then it was a pretty good match with you guys and NSP. Since then you’ve noticed we’ve improved quite a bit. Get ready to be impressed!

but if you’re on EU server then try changing maps. maybe you queued too soon and tricked it.

they all have pre-requisite “dawn of the season”

season has not started in NA.

other players do not have them unlocked on NA either. they probably can see them and thought that’s what you meant.

Actually looking at the scheduled Devon posted the final week is a rematch of week 1 so that is very exciting because 7 weeks is enough time to definitely change up some things. Maybe the winner will NOT be obvious after week 1 at least in my own league.

Gold league looks like pretty uneven, silver is not as bad but still some issues, and bronze is where its at. Go Fergs!

Some simple tweaks to waypoint mechanics could really add some more depth to the competitive aspect of WvW while also indirectly helping in other ways.

Right now is a very clunky process both for waypointing to a contested keep as well as attempting to take a keep with a WP. If I’m in EB and spam Garrison WP, whether I actually end up in Garri or at Citadel just depends on how fast my BL screen loads. Also when I’m taking a keep that seems empty and get to the lords room and have a 40-man blob land on my head with no warning, it’s a bit frustrating.

This could work MUCH better with some very simple tweaks:

First – waypoints stay contested for 5 seconds after the defense event ends. This means a sieging enemy can keep it contested indefinitely if they are not pushed off

Next – contested waypoints can still be used, but with restrictions. Either 1 player every 15 seconds, or maybe contesting it puts a 20 person limit on it and once 20 people have come through no more can.

This would allow quicker responses by smaller groups, but slower responses from bigger groups, which would help with quick responses to ninja golem rushes but at the same time you won’t have a huge blob land on you if you made it to the lords room (not that one wouldn’t run there but at least now you can see them coming).

Astralporing.1957:

…desolation in EU second league?

says they were rank 11 which would be correct.

Looks like Europe just went in order so the same for NA would mean below is your week 1 schedule. I’m bummed the top servers fight each other right away – down in bronze we have no idea who is going to win yet and I don’t want to find out this week!!! Fights for 2nd and 3rd should be good no matter what though at least.

Gold:

JQ/SoR/BG
TC/SoS/Mag

Silver:

SBI/FA/DB
EB/BP/YB
CD/IoJ/NSP

Bronze:

KN/HoD/FC
DH/SF/ET
DR/GoM/AR

i was replying to the guy saying its too late to transfer.

as far as the cutoff for Anet deciding who’s in what league, I believe it’s at server reset, which is why WvW resets about an hour later so it has time to update and create new matches.

lol you can transfer anytime and there is no cutoff.

as far as changing what server you’re on for season 1, the only “cutoff” is yourself logging into wvw. until you log into wvw after tonight’s reset your league server has not been decided.

there is no transfer cutoff. maybe the sale ended though.

once the match begins tonight, whatever WvW you log into is your season 1 server.

they are going to launch in china and their guilds will be so massive that one guild alone will be able to queue all 4 maps. that’s why they need this area.

Spirit Ritulist.9314:

… Need I say more?

wtf i wasn’t invited

This week’s matches aren’t over yet and while unlikely it is still technically possible for positions to change.

They could at least give us a “week 1 will be servers 1/5/9 etc” or something.

you will be going to HoD then because unless Anet goes back on their word, NSP is going to silver, and us Fergs are going to kick your kitten!! >.<

i pretty much only play wvw and i have about 750 dragonite ore so far.

not as much as i’d get in pve but i dont feel like i have to pve to get it either.

if you are pushed to your spawn and don’t hold anything in your area yes use him.

but if there is a commander tagged up let him make that decision.

No this map is not for GvG. The new area they will add in Obsidian Sanctum will be the place for player-organized GvG.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Obsidian-Sanctum-space-for-large-battles/page/3#post3050072

Grotesque.6479:

Thanks for bringing this out and involving the community into this guys, pretty much all we ever wanted. Lets build this addition together and wield out any potential treats to the system. I have several questions as of right now, hopefully you have the time to answer them.

Q1: How does the overflow work? Is it possible to fight against other servers? Is it combined with EU and NA or just one specific region?

Q2: Will there be any advantages to get on the map? Such as a King of the hill thing that grants buffs, or will it be one giant pit to fight on at equal grounds?

Q3: Will GvGs be supported on this map without interference of staff members and QQing from others?

Q4: Would ArenaNet have any plans on supporting the GvG scene in general after the release of the map? Such as supporting Teams, building features for competing GvG Teams?

Q5: Can you enter the map from the good ’ol WvW UI Panel? Will there be portals for it in major cities / Border Waypoints too?

Q6: Can you place siege on the map? Or is it limited to player skills and teams only?

Q7: Will there be new specialized Commander Tags? Or the option of using a tag for your party / guild only?

Q8: What will the max players be on a map from one server?

Q9: Where do you base the applications on from joining the BETA? Are anyone able to join or those heavily invested into WvW / GvGing? How many players from each guild are able to join up?

Q10: Will there be open space areas with plenty of room to muster GvG (i.e. like the south camp on a borderland)?

Q11: What do you view under ‘We want the best WvW experience’? What is the goal of WvW and what would be the best WvW experience with the addition of this map?

Q12: Is there a certain respawn area like a border waypoint of the likes, so teams are able to regroup / gather? Or is it one giant pit with random respawn?

Quite a lot, will drop more later. Hopefully you have the time to reply, that would be much appreciated!

@ grotesque a few of those questions aren’t exactly about this map. im sure the dev team will be able to answer some of the questions but let me help you out on some of these

Q1 – i believe it is treated just like another map in your match – just the 3 servers
Q3 – they are working on adding an area to Obsidian sanctum where we can gvg
Q4 – anet stated if they release an actual gvg game mode it will be quite some time because they would want to be the best it can be
Q5 – yes – waypoints and portals idk but there will probably be another portal in LA
Q7 – this map will not change commander functionality
Q10 – see Q3

Hey guys nothing you do on this map will count towards your score.

It’s not a place to WvW. It’s a place to pseudo-WvW while you wait to WvW. It’s a place non-WvW players might be able to get their feet a little bit wet before entering the borderlands. And if your server is empty, there might be things to do here instead of get spawn-camped in your BL.

They better not start the season with KN/HoD/FC

If they do that, we might all find out quickly who’s going to win season 1. It’s far more interesting right now that we don’t know! (unlike every other league)

if XOXO teamed up with our YARR (fc) it would be the best roaming guild i have ever heard of.

clint.5681:

Ef please leave the thread, you aren’t contributing anything besides trollish behavior.

pretty sure this is settled. no worries.

EFWinters.5421:

Solstice.1097:

No really, this thread is to foster healthy competition. Nobody cares about un-encouraging posts from non-bronze-leaguers

We live this every day and we know the story and if someone else thinks differently we can prove them wrong in the league but no amount of arguing will come to any sort of resolution other than spamming the thread.

Referring to my OP – “keep it clean, keep it interesting, keep it fun”

I agree. That’s why I wished you good luck in bronze and went on my merry way. You know, right before five others came and vehemently defended their server’s honor from my dark and twisted opinions.

Again, good luck. I really mean it

Best of luck to yourself as well.

No really, this thread is to foster healthy competition. Nobody cares about un-encouraging posts from non-bronze-leaguers

We live this every day and we know the story and if someone else thinks differently we can prove them wrong in the league but no amount of arguing will come to any sort of resolution other than spamming the thread.

Referring to my OP – “keep it clean, keep it interesting, keep it fun”

Bronze leaguers let’s not acknowledge the trolls.

We do appreciate when higher tiers hop down to give props but trolls just want fed let’s not feed them and they will go away.

No worries we will just prove you wrong.

EFWinters.5421:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

I Want to give a shout-out to FC and ET for how much they have improved since the Glicko Ghetto days.

I was proud of your guys when you fought so well while SF had you outmanned all the time. And now with how well both of your servers fight while moving up. We are brother’s forged in the heat, pressure, and misery of the old Ghetto and I for one hope it is the three of us fighting it out for the top spot.

To everyone in the Bronze League, good luck and gods speed (wish that WAS a buff).

Those two servers literally improved nada. They rose as DR / AR / GoM all lost massive amounts of people. They are still the same servers they used to be back in T8.

ET and FC are not the same. With respect, you are very mistaken.

the achievements are on your achievement tab under living story. season 2 will not begin immediately after season 1. season 1 will end, back to normal, and season 2 start date will be announced along with any changes to wvw based on how season 1 played out. the only major thing missing is the league schedule which they could publish using ranks without knowing who those servers are.

insanemaniac.2456:

Charles.3064:

I won’t go Pewpew or Lukian. I’m a PPT person not a holding and maintaining by camping. Once the towers and keeps were fully forted I was going to allow DH and DR to take back camps for their PPTs and then just stay out of their borderlands until this week’s matchup ends. I’m looking to make it so we can win but fairly and allow the other servers to have fun as well.

we have a ppt person now? gasp!

our server is more PPT than most, because until recently we’ve never had any!!

I am a believer that you can’t complain if you didn’t try. You talk like it’s pre-determined what people will do and that you have no power to influence those decisions.

Charles.3064:

FC is more murderous. This is what I, Fox, and a group of FC night crew did on the night of 10-16-2013 from 3am to 7am server time. Roneth and all them deserve the credit for doing the work, all I did was organize us. Fergs….I’m proud of you all! We managed to take all our our BL and all of EB

good job we helped set that up for you an hour or 2 before you started we took all of DH border while our main group hit EB and DR and for a moment we had 520 PPT but by the time it ticked it was down to 490 i think.

part of it is because DH and DR has given up (not all of them but definitely a lot) and the other part is because FC is bloodthirsty and prepping for season 1

insanemaniac.2456:

hmm… kaineng pulled off a fairly close win against hod and dr, i think they could probably be a pretty strong contender in bronze, but not strong enough to bully everyone with impunity.

im sure for this weeks match ebay is focusing kain down just to ensure theyre put in bronze over nsp.

Kaineng pull off a win over HoD yes, but they’ve lost at least 1 more primary wvw guild since then. however a few NSP players and maybe others have transferred to kaineng so it’s really anyone’s guess.

Mepheles.2087:

To make it fun, they actually have to be interested in WvW without the added carrot on a stick achievements. If they are only interested in achievments, and not wvw, we cannot convince them it is fun.

don’t you hope you’re wrong?

yesterday a guy in /say chat in wvw said “i have no idea what’s going on but I’m having one hell of a good time”

you see a lot of people don’t come to WvW because they are intimidated and mostly because they don’t understand it and don’t want to get called a noob while learning. the carrot-chasing will teach them a lot about wvw in the process and break the ice.

a lot of players are like you said but also a lot are not. the ones I see coming into WvW are split between carrot-chasers and on the other side people who are genuinely interested to understand the game mode and what’s going on, asking questions and such. the way those players are treated has a lot to do with how many stick around.

Mepheles.2087:

What happens when the PvE’ers get their points and achieves or whatever? They leave. Leagues are 7 weeks. Plenty of time. I predict that they will all be gone by the 3rd week at the latest.

maybe – if I were you I’d be thinking about how I can make it as fun as possible for them to see how many I could get to stick around.

I thought DH has a very large PvE population. When new shinies come out WvW suffers on DH. If the new shiny IS WvW won’t that have the opposite effect?

1. ways to make it more alt-friendly
2. mechanics of downed/insta-rezzing
3. scoring system – making PPT matter again to so many who stopped caring

Last night my guild got a group together of 5-10 players and went looking for fights in DH BL. We ended up capping the whole place with almost no resistance. This was around 9p-11p pacific.

Where’d you guys go!? It seems like FC is one of the only servers that still comes out and fights at the end of matches. Prove me wrong come out and play tonight!