Guild Wars 2

If a single rapid fire kills you then it is your fault for being too glassy.

“Not sucking” isn’t really enough when you sacrifice stun breaks and condi cleanse.

Let’s see how long they live for. The increased CD seems crazy.

Yeh I think they’ve got this wrong. The two big “nukes” that will benefit from remorseless are maul and pos, and they are power melee skills.

And for me power melee requires sos or protect me…

If you’re struggling now you’re gonna hate it next week!

Oh and warhorn instead of dagger for the blast.

Tragic Positive.9356:

My thoughts are something supporty like this:
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-J73Fk;0wEFt-a2VDF-0;9-6A;1_ab;0136247256;4V717X;1ZF18ZF189M

Solid AoE condition cleanse, some disruption from Beast Mastery, some AoE weakness, huge chunk of survivability and considerable condition damage.
The perma AoE swiftness and Regeneration is to be loved as well.

I might have gone a bit wrong at some places, but basically this “Ranger Shoutbow” version sounds totally legit. And you also bring a fire field to the table.
I’ll definitely give the build a try. If I miscalculated, I’ll realize it sooner or later.

I’m going to try similar, but battle sigils instead of leeching.

mistsim.2748:

fixing WD is so easy. just compress the cast and the current damage into a 2s cast. secondly, allow us to move while casting. they’ve been dragging their feet on this offhand, it’s so frustrating. they also haven’t buffed Hunter’s Call which is probably the only ability in the game with zero utility. no cripple, no blind, nothing. just an extremely mediocre DoT even with zerker stats.

That would make it useless as a reflect though. I’d rather it becomes a mobile reflect with the existing cast time.

No need for the extra CD.

Hell it was an over-nerf when they gave them the 20s CD.

Bunuka.3154:

I think OH axe is quite powerful as it is, except being rooted while using number 5.
If they lowered the damage a smidge and allowed movement similar to the warriors axe skill then I think the OH axe would be a fairly popular choice.

The damage is crap for a 25s CD, and a 5 second cast time.

Its a DPS loss over sword auto. Meaning unless you are trying to reflect something, the skills is completely useless.

kiwituatara.6053:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

“Sic Em!” currently is not good, as it is mainly used for the revealed part, but that is due to pets not being all that good. After the patch, with fully traited BM Hawk/Owl/Raven etc it will be massive. A 40% increase to the already huge increase in damage is going to make it crazy good on a 32s CD.

I actually feel like Sic Em is not the problem. +40% movement speed and pet damage is pretty strong. The problem is pet AI. If it were a little smarter, Sic Em would probably be a lot more powerful.

I agree. If pets could reliably hit you would be happy to buff the crap out of them.

Maybe if they added stability to it, it would be a good skill.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Sube Dai.8496:

I’m calling it now.

Meta builds will be:

Condi survival,
Pew Pew
BM Shouts for Support

There are only four useful shouts for us and the CDs mean that you don’t need four to benefit the most. If they were short (20s) like warrior, then yes, trooper is good for them, but such long CDs? Hmmm

“HaO”, “Sic EM” “PM!” are about the only ones that will see use in PvP and the last two have quite long CDs. I wonder if Allies Aid will trigger Resounding Timbre?

I’ll call it too;

Pew Pew / Condi survival as always and Remorseless Beastmaster Support. (see my post above and in lots of other threads haha I think its great The WS variant 6/0/6/0/6 is probably the best due to condi removal, but NM is still pretty nice for support imo. )

WArrior’s traited shouts are 20s, 20s, and 24s CDs. Ranger’s will be:

HaO: 16s
Sic’em: 32s
Guard: 12s

The skills themselves still have no party support though…

Terravos.4059:

I could see some weird power ranger builds with moment + opening strike combos for huge maul damage. Swap your pet to gain call of the wild, use taunt, technobabble and then maul someone, 75% increased damage right there. Ruin someone’s day

And QuickDraw for another maul straight after

Durzlla.6295:

Sube Dai.8496:

You want the pets with the AOE F2s for this.

So black bear, murello, drakes, moas, alpine wolf, polar bear.

AoE doesn’t matter, the trait isn’t “Taunt enemies hit by your F2” it’s “Taunt enemies around you when you use F2”. So it doesn’t matter WHAT the active is, it’ll taunt things around them.

What i’m really wondering though is does this happen at the beginning or end of the F2 cast, if it’s at the beginning it’ll have amazing synergy with Drakes where you’d be able to taunt them into the jaws of the beast and it’d make Fire, Frost, and Reef drakes very very very viable and strong choices.

That’s exactly what I’m saying.

you want to taunt people into the pets with AOE f2s = poison clouds, weakness, daze, chills, etc

Terravos.4059:

I might end up running a nasty technobabble build on my bm ranger, getting 5 stacks of confusion or a 6 second daze

Though sic em might be decent now.. Simply because it’ll give swiftness plus regen.
Could do guard though, wait till someone got beat and have a cat pounce them, that’d be interesting.

Sic’em already gives swiftness and regen

Long cooldown though and pets still have the same old problems. However the new BM line should solve some of that.

I’m calling it now.

Meta builds will be:

Condi survival,
Pew Pew
BM Shouts for Support

You want the pets with the AOE F2s for this.

So black bear, murello, drakes, moas, alpine wolf, polar bear.

Sebrent.3625:

Sube Dai.8496:

I think (annoyingly) that condi survival will still be our strongest roaming build!

So no change? :-p

I’m still holding out hope for remorseless greatsword, but condi will probably be stronger

0/0/6/6/6 BM Shout Ranger with Trooper Runes is the future of PvP!

I think (annoyingly) that condi survival will still be our strongest roaming build!

Sebrent.3625:

It’s been forever since I’ve run with 3 traps … can you refresh my memory as to why it was required to have them for them to be effective?

Spike to CC so you could land Fire and Poison? … not to mention bleed + burn + poison does hurt.

Because its a choice between offense and defense isn’kitten

You sacrifice the survivability of survival utilities for a big condi bomb. Otherwise you could just roll condi-survival ranger, still have huge condi pressure, but way more survivability.

Sebrent.3625:

@StickerHappy:
Is that not the same for other classes’ utilities as well? I know it is when I’m on my Mesmer/Ranger/Warrior/Engineer (my 4 most played). I could just take offensive utilities but then CC would eat me alive … though Engineer is a special case due to toolkits and toolbelt.

I fail to see how this is any different. Hence I don’t see what the hubbub is all about.

The old traps really required all 3 to have any chance of being effective.

The new ones might be different though. The knockdown on spike trap means that it can probably earn a slot on its own.

An extra character slot would be nice. But I seriously don’t care.

I can’t believe how much people will complain about 10-20 bucks.

So rangers can equip 5 shouts now, all applying regent and swiftness.

Maybe we’ll give shoutbow a run for its money as the party condi removal!

I’d pay 100 bux for it

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

Sube Dai.8496:

The issue with traps was always suvivability, in particular the lack of a stun break.

It will be even harder to survive now that you can’t throw them from range, losing the ability to kite.

If you dont stand in your trap anyone with teleports will eat you alive (since you are full glass).

If you do stand in your trap you have no stun break to get out if you get cc’d…

Maybe the knockdown will make the difference…I think they synergise more with melee than bows though.

Bow trap ranger will be paper.

if your running bow trap you don’t take Power LB is only for hybrid use and its KB plus or huntershot and barrage for AoE control forcing target left or right into traps you don;t need overwhelming AA shots + high condi traps , Cav+valk+sinister is more than enough to make a LB trapper work , it does not need to be glass at all , hell i ran it with 2.7k toughness with LR , Sword+dagger.

thats the first mistake of running LB/Trapper going full cannon power/condi glass.

I’m talking from a PvP perspective here so when I say glass I mean not having any defensive traits/utilities.

If a thief misses your traps, you will be dead as soon as he is on top of you. Thats if you have a bow.

If you’re melee I think you’ll have a better chance. You can at least evade, block, swing at thin air, or disengage and try and reset your traps.

Eurantien.4632:

These changes are amazing. I’m surprised so few see it that way… For PvP anyway

Been waiting to hear your feedback Eura…

Are you still planning on running glassbow at this stage, or does something else look of interest?

The issue with traps was always suvivability, in particular the lack of a stun break.

It will be even harder to survive now that you can’t throw them from range, losing the ability to kite.

If you dont stand in your trap anyone with teleports will eat you alive (since you are full glass).

If you do stand in your trap you have no stun break to get out if you get cc’d…

Maybe the knockdown will make the difference…I think they synergise more with melee than bows though.

Bow trap ranger will be paper.

I am happy about Beastmastery, I feel like its a must have line for power ranger now.

One thing I find interesting is that Beastly Warden will be a buff for the crappier pets like Bears, Moas, Devourers, etc.

Anything that has an AOE F2 will all of a sudden have enemies running into it, instead of easily avoiding it.

I think it probably does stack, but 4 seconds is too short for it to work.

By the time you proc it a third time the first one will have warn off, so you could only stack it twice. So 10% damage buff for wasting two of your evades.

I mean seriously, wasting a dodge for a 5% damage buff? No thanks.

We now have better might stacking options and the new Remorseless, which will function way better than this.

Skirmishing line still sucks IMO.

Lillith.3018:

RIP Traps and Spirits~!
What the hell were they thinking? What kind of ranger stands still during combat? Oh sorry Mr Thief, can u move over to my traps and spirits so I can shoot you??

I worked so kitten my ranger with ascended gear and legendary! Trap ranger with spirits was my favorite build.

Lets nerf some more ranger builds!

Trap ranger with spirits was your favourite build hey?

It does seem that pve damage was hit pretty badly.

I’m not convinced the spirit or trap changes will do anything either.

Keep at it.

It took me 3 goes to get into PvP.

I think I just eventually figured out how to time skills properly, and found builds that work for me.

One of the hardest things for me was learning when to use invulnerable skills. If you come from PvE or WvW you are just used to spamming skills and not watching your enemy at all.

In PvP baiting your enemy’s skills is essential. But you can only do that after you start to learn what their skills are, and when to use yours.

The other thing to realise is that the objective is to cap points, not kill people. There are some very hard counters in PvP, Thieves on Mesmers for example.

If you can’t win a 1v1, dont do it. Stick to your companions, and go for the mid point. You will be more effective than someone who tries to sit on their home point and 1v1.

You probably should have posted this in the pvp forum, you won’t get much love here.

I agree though, some sort of mini games or even crafting stations would be good.

Moa racing anyone?

I did it recently with rodgort, but I had most of the t6 mats already.

The amazing thing is how quickly I spent the gold afterwards =D

mexay.3902:

Seriously, this should have been implemented at launch. China has it’s own servers. Why can’t we have OCX/SEA servers?

We’d only need 3. Hell you could split them into English and Non-English, same as Euoservers. I can’t imagine we’d need a huge data centre.

If ANet wants to push eSports they should be paying attention to stuff like this.

Because they anticipated China have tens of millions of users.

And I believe lol only got an Australian server quite recently didn’kitten

Yeh WvW might turn into a complete AOE condition spamfest.

Might break up zergs though…

I use battleping – helps a bit.

Helps a lot actually. Ping is not much better but there is no rubber banding whatsoever.

Highly, highly unlikely to get a local server guys.

Local servers/data centres in Australia are ridiculously expensive (compared to the rest of the world).

I tried your build Taverius but the might stacking didn’t seem to work for me.

I felt like I did more damage with fire/air combo on 1h sword.

Well soldier will still be the staple of WvW. And WvW will continue to be the only home for all those other sets as well.

Its really all about Sinister. Does it become the PvE meta, a viable alternative, or slightly less annoying that it is now.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

It will all depend on how much they buff conditions.

Currently with 25 stacks of might and full sinister gear:

25 stacks of bleed =4k dps
Burning = 1k dps
Poison = 300 dps

total dps = 5.3k dps (single target)

Meta ele build with 25 stacks of might (stacks it themselves) = 12k dps (AOE)
Meta thief build with 25 stacks of might = 11-13k (Single target)

To bring conditions up to meta status this change would have to more than double the damage from conditions, and even then that doesn’t count build up time.

THe number they have thrown out there is 400 stacks of bleed, which would be 64k dps based on your calculations.

As others have pointed out that would take time to build up to though.

It is going to be interesting.

Or maybe the new 5-man meta will be 4 zerk and one dedicated condi spammer with sinister.

I’m amazed there is no mega thread going yet…

Anyway, big changes to conditions announced:

http://dulfy.net/2015/06/10/gw2-combat-changes-dots-and-dashes/

Fire and Poison will now stack, stacks increased greatly (unknown how high), and confusion does DoT as well as on attacks.

Do people see a new DPS meta incoming?

I can see this changing things for large HP targets like world bosses. Trash mobs I imagine Zerk will still be the meta.

But for high HP bosses the new optimal set could very well be sinister.

Maybe its time to start hanging on to those recipe drops from SW

I would switch Spider for Drakehound or another canine.

The poison from the spider will overwrite your own, more powerful poison, so you will be losing damage there.

You don’t want your pets to overwrite any conditions you apply yourself. So you should aim for pets that apply conditions that you can’t, or use non-condition applying pets.

Thanks for the reminder to bump the cantha thread!

Jon snow as a guardian…are you people on crack?

He has a pet wolf and a pet crow!!!! And uses a bow and a longsword!!!

I also have a Jon snow character in game

Although the lack of practice mode is a worry. What will you do about leavers in unranked?

How will first timers know to do hotjoin instead?

Good job anet. You just saved stronghold!

Are lordrosicky and supreme the same person? They seem to troll together.

Pretty much always drakehound/wolf.

Sometimes I would consider spider for the longer, single target immob, but usually the group immob from drakehound is more useful.

They’re not invulnerable while stealth you know…

I think its great that we have new players joining the game, but the 2 most popular threads on the forum are base less complaints from conplete noobs who have been playing the game for 5 minutes.