We’re abusing no mechanic or glitching by using that shortcut. It may not be intended, but until they change it to disallow it’s use it is a viable shortcut.
aye, i wanna see what other people think.
if it gets “fixed” in a patch then we will know it is not intended.
I only use the shortcut anymore so I can sit on the chest as competitors arrive and cheer them on as they win first place. ^.^
This behavior is patronizing, what everybody who stands at the finish line is saying is “Hey guys behind us, we’re better than you, but here’s a free win for you anyway.”
Sure it’s “Nice” but its disrespectful at the same time. It may not be the intention to be disrespectful, but that’s what you’re telling people when you do that. Snatching a victory from someone who has been winning and getting your achievement for it is far more satisfying than having someone “Let you win.”
I don’t really see it a patronizing unless you’re trying to look down on others. I always cheer people on as they cross.
I mean, I could purposefully go slowly and not even bother to try. But that takes the fun out of it for me. I prefer to challenge myself for a good time. I race the clock, not others. Plus I like to see people as they finish. Like a bystander cheering on the competitors.
Yes, some may not like the idea of ‘being allowed to win’. Most just want the achievement and don’t care how they place. I prefer to cater towards the latter.
Anyone familiar with people who kick party members on the last boss of dungeons/fractals, only to invite their guildmate to come in and get credit, rewards, and completion for daily (or whatever)? Ya, this is very similar in case. ….very, very similar.
Not the same at all. By allowing others to win I am not denying anyone but myself of rewards. I’m not kicking anyone or preventing anyone from getting anything.
We’re abusing no mechanic or glitching by using that shortcut. It may not be intended, but until they change it to disallow it’s use it is a viable shortcut.
It’s interesting to see how some people act about the WvW Sanctum Kite…compared to the Sanctum Sprint. One group has people that actively prevent people from getting an achievement, while the other has people that try to help others get the achievement/title.
Very interesting.
Not quite.
Sanctum Sprint has those that are actively helping by not finishing even though they could. It doesn’t have any that are seemingly actively preventing others as there is a better reward for first. Very small, though. Not worth it to me.
World vs Kite has those that are actively helping by portalling others up. Also by holding the top and allowing those not of their server to pass by unmolested. It does, however, have those that are actively preventing others from achieving it.
The biggest difference is that those that want to keep others from getting the content can act that way in Obsidian Sanctum and those that want to help can do nothing to stop them. But they can’t stop people from stopping short of the line in Sanctum Sprint.
I hate that line. I agree with the first part, but if you’re not a liberal after 30 you still have no heart. Just sayin’.
And such is a matter of perspective. I’m neither a liberal nor conservative. I think both parties have good and bad points. But for politicians, in the end, it’s all one party after the same exact things for the same reasons. Just sayin’. :-)
Have any of you guys tried my mighty ranger build? Right? You’re all PvE’ers, right? Maybe you just aren’t playing ranger optimally?
Somewhere between Bas’s “ArenaNet finally gave us the diversity we wanted” and your one and only dungeon build, there seems to be a serious disconnect in the story line. Either that or maybe things aren’t as rosy as you and the SOAC team would want us to think?
Things aren’t all rosy. They also aren’t all terribad, so don’t jump on me for that. The biggest problem is that things keep getting adjusted for sPvP only. Which is why SOAC sees things as fine. sPvP is the place where rangers shine the most. Outside of that, however, the class needs a lot of work.
I’d say that some of the hair will need better bio-luminescence effects. A good percentage of all Sylvari I see use the same hairstyle as it has better a better glow than the others. I actually used that one as the hair I really wanted had a much worse glow effect.
And definitely more aquatic hairstyles. Kelp/seaweed fronds and or coral branches would be incredible. Maybe even aquatic-looking drawn-back dreadlocks that look made from bull kelp stalks.
Anet make waypoints price and gem store RNG skins. Not these NPC’s.
So send a message to Anet. We don’t want shins in gem store RNG. And we don’t want high priced waypoints (to home cities and within the same zone). By voting for Kiel and against RNG.
Evon Gnashblade is the in-game face for ANet’s decisions regarding the Trade Post. So that’s our in-game recourse to tell ANet what we think of the lottery boxes.
Down with the lottery boxes. Down with Gnashblade. Kiel for Council!
I think you are taking what I said too personally. I mean the community is crying, not you. Post something about fixing a problem instead of stating what it is. Everyone has read the same posts about how bad rangers are and why for the last 3 weeks. All I’m saying is you the COMMUNITY quit crying and throwing your tears in the air. It solves nothing, as you know and still cry. Make new builds and share them or talk about new ideas to make ranger better. But making a post saying “i cant play ranger and this is why so ill quit but not really”. Its not helpful or insightful for new players or new rangers.
Nah. Nothin’ personal about it.
Yes, some of the community is crying. And each and every time us good rangers step in and politely correct them. But it is bad if we overstate where the class is. That is even more harmful is it gives ANet the idea that we’re in a good place. We’re not. We’re doing decently, but we’re not good. Not yet.
you are agreeing with the community that is crying, how did i misread?
I am agreeing that the community has some valid points. Not all the points that get brought up are valid, but many are.
I don’t ‘cry’ about the state of the ranger. I discuss it civilly with others and we try to not only figure out how to maximize what we can do, but how the class could be improved to bring it in line with the others. That isn’t ‘crying’. That is mature conversation.
So after reading all of the comments below and doing my best to respond to as many as I could I’ve come to the conclusion that the community does not want to actually play this mini game, and only wants the achievement points. If that is what the majority wants, then I guess it is pointless for me to continue to argue my point.
I will close by saying that it would maybe fix this problem the awards were adjusted for 1st 2nd and 3rd place to give people more incentive to win. I suppose I will just have to accept that no ones wants any mini-game in gw2 to ever be played fairly.
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Your conclusion is wrong. Correct conclusion is that there exists 3 type of people:
a) those who want to play the mini game.
b) those who want to get the achievment.
c) those who want to win for ep reasons.
These aren’t mutually exclusive at all, but fortunately it appears that the group c) is fairly small.
I think you’ve hit all the types. Us ‘cheater’ types that allow others to pass us on purpose are from type ‘a’, most of which of us were type ‘b’ before but got our achievements already. And I’m also glad that type ‘c’ is underrepresented. Those are the caustic ones that try to bring down the community.
If you can’t get the kite, you can’t get it. Simple as that. This isn’t a freebie. You gotta work for it.
I sincerely hope no one tells you this when you really need something you don’t have in real life.
I suspect Randroids and people with the same kind of mentality actually have a lower propensity to thrive in a healthy society.
Altruism does seem to be in short supply these days. It’s all selfishness, greed, and ‘me me me’. And no, I’m not talking about players wanting the achievement. I’m talking about the ones that are purposefully trying to deny others from theirs. And don’t tell me that’s not happening. It is.
I agree with his statement. People today are too entitled. A lot of them remind me of spoiled children. Today’s motto seems to be: If at first you don’t succeed, whine about it until someone makes it easier for you.
Some are like that. I’ve honestly not gotten that vibe from anyone here, though. Not sure where you’re getting that.
I never said I always wanted to come in first, I just want the game to be played by the rules that were set in place by the Devs. You’re being just as ridiculous as you claim that I am being by the way. I am entitled to ask people to play fairly and not cheat, and you should respect that and you should respect the rules too. I should not be asked to loose to someone so they can get an achievement point. I should not be yelled at because I do not let someone win.
We’re not asking you to throw your races, Blue. If you want to strive for first, have at it. Nothing wrong with that.
But please don’t tell us not to throw our races. Just as it’s your choice to place first, it’s our choice to place wherever we feel. I personally strive for fourth.
Rangers aren’t as terribad as some say. But they are nowhere near where they should be power-wise. There is a reason why the entire community considers them the worst in dungeons and WvW. It’s not because the community is only filled with bad players. It’s because the ranger has serious issues that affect it’s performance. The only reason it’s not at the bottom in PvP is that many of it’s issues are partially mitigated by the point defense style of play in PvP.
We’re not dead, but rangers are in serious need of a revamp. If you can’t see that, then you are one of the many players holding us back by telling ANet that we are fine where we are.
These are the exaggerations I’m talking about. If you said only in Dungeon groups I would agree. But wvw and spvp are completely fine on ranger. No need to cry and throw your tears in the air. If you cant play ranger effectively maybe you should try another class. I cant play every class great but it doesnt mean those classes suck or need buffs. It means I’m not experienced enough to play it well. My feelings arent hurt and either should yours.
You completely misread me. Many people consider the ranger at the bottom in WvW. That’s not my personal view, but I do refuse to take my ranger in there. I WvW with an alt as I personally consider it not powerful enough for WvW.
And for PvP? I said that it is not the weakest there. I know there are a couple viable builds for the reasons that I stated.
I’ve run a ranger since launch. I still main the ranger. Over 2.3k hours of my 3.8k hours have been spent on her. She is my primary chara for dungeons and I’m quite skilled with the class. I’m not crying. Simply stating the issues with the class.
Please read my full response again before claiming I stated things I did not.
Keep in mind that the reduced waypoint cost might be so insignificant, that it doesn’t matter at all. While the MF dungeon on the other hand, has several ore nodes right at the start that can make you a lot of money if farmed repeatedly. Plus of course all the rare recipes and the awesome rocketpack back cover that you can find in there. Evon really has all our bests interests in mind.
That posits that they put the Molten Facility in as is and don’t remove the nodes. Which is pretty doubtful.
Also Evon doesn’t have our best interests at mind. Only his bottom line. If he had our best interests at mind he’d sell the stuff directly instead of making us pay our hard-earned gems for a tiny chance at the item we actually want.
Vote for the one that doesn’t want to take all your money. Vote Kiel.
so tired of reading posts about how bad rangers are. I do fine on my ranger. you guys over exaggerate so kittening much its painful. I understood after the patch you guys would cry and cry but its been a couple weeks now… Can you guys grow a pair and move on or get better with the current ranger? kkthx
Sry, Miiro. I can’t entirely agree with you.
Rangers aren’t as terribad as some say. But they are nowhere near where they should be power-wise. There is a reason why the entire community considers them the worst in dungeons and WvW. It’s not because the community is only filled with bad players. It’s because the ranger has serious issues that affect it’s performance. The only reason it’s not at the bottom in PvP is that many of it’s issues are partially mitigated by the point defense style of play in PvP.
We’re not dead, but rangers are in serious need of a revamp. If you can’t see that, then you are one of the many players holding us back by telling ANet that we are fine where we are.
So after using Dulfy;s guide and Syn little tip nothing changes, he starts his signature and after 2 drinks with your skills at 2 or 3 rounds of wait time he starts his next 3 again with your used signature with 3 or 2 uses. So what do you do I am trying every possible way to beat him but nothing is adding up.
Umm … that trick is how I got it. Second or third try, I think. I had more trouble with Maddie (her WooHoo spam is more of a killer than his Critique spam IMHO).
It’s still a pain, yes. Harder than it should be? Maybe. Impossible? No. Just keep trying at it and you’ll get it.
since this content is for everyone and missing out on a title really sucks if there’s no chance to get it back later :<
All that does is cheapen the value of that title. Just like legendary weapons and T3 armour isn’t that prestigious anymore, because it probably just means that the person spent hours upon hours farming CoF P1. Exploiting, fixing races, endless QQ about WvW’s inclusion in the Living World achievement section, all that is doing is killing the prestige from these things. There are already plenty of participation rewards out there.
If you really think that more people with a title ‘cheapens’ it, then you may need better priorities.
Getting to the finish line and allowing others to pass you isn’t really ‘fixing’ the race. We don’t conspire with anyone to get them to win. We simply allow the next person to come along to win instead.
I will sit at the finish line and let someone else get first, because I’ve already gotten it, not because I’m “cheating”. I thought I was being nice. :/
Don’t worry. You are being nice. These people just want us to stop being nice so they can feel like more special snowflakes because they have stuff other’s don’t.
Bring the Sylvari’s Boast. Save your water and bluff skills for when he uses Critique. When he does, use one of each, then take a single drink. Or do them in whatever order you choose. That way you are only ‘forced’ to take one drink.
Yeah, I think they’re the same or not far apart.
Also, does anyone know the drop rate for the backslot items? I’ve run it I think only about twenty times and looted two of them already. Not complaining at all, but man, drop rates seem to be much better than previous events! May just be dumb luck.
Just good luck. I’m at one catcher out of 27 runs.
Hmm. Seems that all places below first get the same rewards. Here is what first gives over second:
- 6 Quartz Crystal instead of 3
- A Sip of Liquid Karma (1000 karma) instead of a Thimble of Liquid Karma (700 karma)
- A slightly larger bag of coins (about 1 silver more in my small test case of 1)
Not enough rewards for me to always take first. But to each their own.
Hmm. Seems I’ll need to win and then come in second, third, and fourth to determine if the rewards are worth keeping others from first. Results will be coming later.
I may give this a shot then after all! It was a nightmare getting it during the Aetherblades LS and swore I’d never go back, hopefully there’s some of this attitude for us Tarnished Coasters I only attack people in there if I’m attacked first, but I haven’t had as much luck with other players.
TC is griefing DB hard atm. I had to kill off 3 of your kind for camping it.
I hate it when they do that. They give all of Tarnished Coast a bad name when they do. Most of us try to get them to stop, btw. They don’t listen. >.< In fact after I got killed by an opponent in the JP, a couple of my own side (the griefers, of course) decided to ‘teabag’ me.
So feel free to kill all the camping kittens you like. Even we thank you for it.
I will laugh hard when Kiel reduces waypoint costs by 1%
1% would still be better than cheaper black lion keys. I will NEVER support RNG boxes bought for gems. If Evon’s bonus was for increased key DROPS from mobs, that might be tempting.
Cheaper waypoints benefit everyone, cheaper RNG boxes only benefit those willing to shell out real cash.
Don’t forget that cheaper RNG boxes, and the people that will buy them, legitimize their place in the game. We should not do that. Those things are just plain wrong. Real-money pay lotteries for skins should not be promoted.
I feel that a vote for Evon is a vote for those. So as much as I want the return of Molten Facility, I cannot vote for Evon Gnashblade.
Posted by Devon…Sadly and how mean it sounds…no one cares. If you want the achievement keep trying and don’t quit. The JP is not that hard, find a group that will help you…(You guy have those in PvE right?) Don’t expect to get it on the first try…
Devon’s comment has alienated many from the PvE community, some to the point of now hating WvW when they were neutral before. I do hope that he realizes that.
But Zikory is right. The WvWers don’t care (or are actively against the PvEers). The JP itself isn’t that hard. And don’t expect to get it on the first try. But please do keep trying. Don’t let a bunch of bad sports ruin your fun. And if there is a camping group try to rally your server. It can be done and I’ve seen it done.
Sadly, most people will be put off ever playing again, because their introduction to the game (which they need to complete to acquire the sig moves to be competitive against other players) is totally marred by having to play increasingly difficult NPC’s who are seemingly able to use any moves they want as often as they want.
Oh. Don’t forget that in order to play against others it will cost you at least 5s. That will drive people away as well.
Over the last 8 years ANet have let rangers slip into uselessness, nerfed any hope and ignored bugs and broken mechanics.
Why? Because ANet thinks there is no problem, everything is fine.
This is NOT going to change. ANet thinks there are no significant problems with rangers, they will not improve them. Expect future balance patches to have virtually no changes to ranger skills, ever.
Sorry. Hate to burst your bubble, but it’s only been in the last year and only in GW2. GW1 rangers have remained highly viable with a large amount of powerful builds. A large number of builds I could provide you were you to ask.
Everyone is not better at dungeons than me with ranger I can tell you that for a fact. Ranger, by the way, stacks vulnerability easily, reflects, gives DPS buffs and protection to the team, aoe condition removal, water field, and damage/tank with pet while resurrecting. Ranger gets a long stability that’s very useful, along with a fire field and permanent 25 might on pet.
So you’re saying you’re the best ranger that ever lived? Ok, Chopps. That’s just plain false and makes you sound like an elitist. You may want to tone that back so people will actually listen to you instead of writing you off as you do seem to understand the class.
Ultimately, I believe a player is a fool if they are serious about ranger in dungeons and won’t try new builds. It’s odd to say “no one will ever” because I don’t think like that. Seriously, if you don’t try this build but want to continue kittening and moaning be my guest. You won’t be helping your party and you’ll be at 1500 range at the wrong time and your party will hate you. That’s just how it is, regardless of your idealistic notion of bows.
People are fools if they won’t ever try new builds and are convinced theirs is the best, period, without actually giving it a try. But that goes for you as well, Chopps.
Probably the inanity and grind associated with the associated titles. Oh, and progress on those titles being broken for much of the event.
Honestly of all the ‘PvP’ minigames, I found Crab Toss to be middle of the road. There were better (Dragon Ball) and there were worse (Snowball Fight).
Wait a minute so in your eyes the mini games ranked best to worse is dragon ball, crab toss, and than snowball fight. Well i guess we all have different a different opinion.
Counting only those three? Yes. If I add in teh new ones, the list is more like this:
Sanctum Sprint
Dragon Ball
Crab Toss
Keg Brawl
Belcher’s Bluff
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Everything else in the world
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Snowball Fight
If I run the race and get to the finish line first but stop just short of it and let others cross, others who I don’t know, it’s ‘match fixing’? I thought it was just courtesy and a helping hand to others. I already got my achiev, and crossing the line when I get there would often prevent others from getting theirs as I would tend to be first or second each run.
I don’t care who wins or loses so long as I’m not above fourth place. I won’t pressure others to act as I do, but there is nothing wrong with it either. I just see it as a gift to whoever is behind me.
We’re not asking for it to be removed. We’re requesting politely that they not put what is otherwise entirely PvE content in Obsidian Sanctum again. It’s not that much of a request.
An achievement isn’t PvE content, it can be anything. There’s PvP achievements, PvE outdoor achievements, social achievements, tutorial achievements, WvW achievements.
ANet placed a PvP achievement at the end of a PvP zone. It means : “Fight or sneak your way through all the hostile players in that map to find the kite at the end”
You have no right to demand that ANet cut down content for us that like PvP which is why people are annoyed by all the complaints.
The rest of the Living Story content is in PvE. This one single one was placed not only in WvW, but in the most grief-prone and rage-inducing location in WvW. Yes, that makes this one PvP. I won’t deny that. But making that one PvP was unnecessary.
That would be like if there was a WvW ‘Living Story’ thing where all of the achievements were in WvW. Except for one that was placed in the Arah dungeon (you know … the most rage-inducing PvE location).
If that happened I know that WvW players would get up in arms. Yet as PvE players we get told off for pointing out the strangeness and seeming inappropriateness of the placement of this content.
And polite request is not a demand. As a customer I have every right to make requests.
Quick summary here:
You do not need to invest 100g to play this minigame.
To be able to consider the 100g version an investment, you will have to play belchers bluff roughly 2000 times, less than that and it is more profitable for you to invest in either one-time or 5-time kits.
I think I’ll stick with investing zero as I have zero interest in a pointless money sink. I already have a few money sinks in the form of a legendary and a couple of the pseudo-legendaries.
As for your logical fallacy? Well you mentioned keg brawl as a free example, but you ignored mentioning the other minigames availible: Moa Racing and Costume Brawl < this is known as cherrypicking or “the texas sharpshooter”. Through presenting a partial amount of data to back up your claim rather than take in consideration the full data availible, you make your claim appear stronger than it actually is. In this case you presented Keg brawl which is 1 of 5 minigames currently availible.
Out of these 5, 2 are free : Keg Brawl and Sanctum Sprint
3 have a cost to them: Belchers bluff (1/5s 4c, 5/20s, */100g), Costume Brawl(Tonic) and Moa Racing (50s/race).
I mention Keg Brawl as:
1 – It is the first mini-game
2 – It is in the ‘Activities’ section of the achievements pane, alongside Belcher’s Brawl.
3 – None of the other games you bring up are in the ‘Activities’ pane.
Moa Racing isn’t a mini-game. It’s gambling. And at least it has a chance for a return investment. You can gamble on it and make money. Belcher’s Brawl is a money sink and you cannot make money from it. So … apples and oranges there.
As for Costume Brawl? It is closer to a good comparison. Again, it’s not in the activities section but it does track in achievements, even though those achievements are in the ‘Communities’ section instead of the ‘Activities’ one. And looking at the price of the tonics? Let’s just say if Belcher’s Bluff price-to-play was on par with Costume Brawl, this conversation would not have happened. Around 50c per play is decent. 5s? Not so much.
And none of the holiday event ones count. They are all tracked seperately. They were also all free, you know.
PVT armor is also karma obtainable. You can earn plenty of karma in WvW.
But you would have to run to Orr to get the actual armor, which means going to PvE.
Badges is a way to earn armor, but if you already have crappy armor, it would take forever to kill enough people to obtain enough badges to buy it. So why would we waste a week attempting to kill people who have the highest stats while we are rocking blues and greens.
You need to remember that us PvE players didn’t start out with great armor either. We also needed to work our way up to the exotics.
Yes, I know that the WvW system with badges isn’t quite on par with PvE. It is better than it used to be, but it’s still not great. But please don’t get mad at us or try to derail a conversation about whether or not a single piece of Living Story content should be in Obsidian Sanctum when all the rest are in PvE.
Your argument about armor and obtaining it is perfectly valid. This, however, is not the place for that discussion.
And now I go to bed. I have a feeling this thread will have exploded with trolls again by the time I wake up. *sigh*
This is just getting old and boring, what about the people that don’t like to PvE? Should they also spam the forums asking for the removal of every achievement or that they should be placed in WvW?
We’re not asking for it to be removed. We’re requesting politely that they not put what is otherwise entirely PvE content in Obsidian Sanctum again. It’s not that much of a request.
And before you jump on me as many have, yes I got the achievement already. My request isn’t due to a personal inability to get it. It’s a request based on what would make a better community. Because you cannot look at all of these threads and honestly say that the community is better for these achievements. It’s not. It’s worse and PvEers and WvWers are only disliking each other more and more.
If the goal was to get PvE players interested in WvW, then it failed miserably as most of those PvE players will never again want to touch WvW with a ten-foot pole.
How can we obtain this gold to buy the weapons and armor off the TP? Force us to use our credit cards? Some armor such as P/T/V can’t be bought on the TP. I think it’s a fair relateable argument that we have to spend ALOT of time in PvE to even be able to WvW, to your argument about not wanting to step foot in WvW to get an achievement.
Get gold the same way we do. By doing events and selling items that drop for you.
Some armor such as P/T/V can’t be bought on the TP. I think it’s a fair relateable argument that we have to spend ALOT of time in PvE to even be able to WvW, to your argument about not wanting to step foot in WvW to get an achievement.
Funny enough, I thought pvt armor could be bought with WvW tokens.
PVT armor is also karma obtainable. You can earn plenty of karma in WvW.
Like I keep saying. It’s not the zergs that are the problem. It’s the griefing campers. that just sit there and hold known chokepoints for hours.
Well if you’ve got a problem with that, make a post on that subject instead of missing the point completely. I do agree that some spots in the JP are far too easy to block when you get there first and they could use a tweak.
I didn’t need to make a separate thread as it was already being discussed in this one. And I don’t think I’ve missed the point, that point being that many of us feel that the kite should not be in Obsidian Sanctum.
The only real killer chokepoint is the dark room and colosseum areas. You have to drop stealth there unless you have the dark room 100% memorized. And you can’t recloak before entering the colosseum, which can be pretty easily held by only a few for a long time. Until a very large group comes and kills them with quite a vengeance.
I watched a griefing group on my own server (TC) get killed by an angry Emhry Bay zerg. I stood back and watched them die as I felt they deserved it for their actions. Of course EB couldn’t tell I wasn’t in on the kittenery so they took me down too. I didn’t mind. After all, how could EB tell?
Only if you don’t ever get any more achievements. They will continue to be rewarded as you get them.
Any idea how many times we’ll be awarded a chest with Zenith skins overall? Is there a certain point interval? The GW2 wiki says “Up to seven skins are known to be unlocked” but doesn’t provide any more information or cite a source.
No clue yet. Noone has gotten that far. Furthest I can see in game so far is 3500.
Oh really? So you got it the first day with those zergs being a big problem? That’s odd…. Think it took me 2-3 days in PvE to get my full armor and weapon sets. Oh, and did i mention that the only way to get the cool items from the new events is to do PvE content? Guess i should let Arena net know to make it so they can change what they have been doing since start-up and make it so you can get those cool items by doing PvP.
Like I keep saying. It’s not the zergs that are the problem. It’s the griefing campers. that just sit there and hold known chokepoints for hours.
And please don’t compare getting your entire weapon and armor set (most of which can be straight-out bought and don’t require dungeon running, FYI) to getting a single achievement. Those aren’t even on par and you know it.
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“And WvWers don’t keep their mouths shut about it. They bring it up each and every time a PvE player ever mentions not wanting to engage in WvW.”
What i meant was, we don’t make forum posts complaining about it. I’ve seen at least 10 posts about this achievement being a problem. Our thinking is, if you can make an arugment saying that you don’t want to touch WvW/PvP content, we don’t want to touch PvE content either. Should it not work both ways?
It does and you should make one if you feel it’s a problem. We won’t knock you for it. ArenaNet can’t get feedback on what we do and don’t like if we don’t tell them.
Yes, taking people sentences out of context does tend to make their logic sound “flawed”. I was relating what you guys are asking arenanet to do to something that is completely insane, because guess what? What you’re asking them to do is insane. The achievement being placed there may not have been a smart idea, but whining does nothing right? Unless you actually want them to remove the achievement now? In which case you’re being selfish to everyone who got the achievement and earned those 5 points. You just want 100% completion for your own personal NEEDS. Once again, its NOT required.
All this time you’re wasting on the forums complaining, is more time you could have spent trying to get the achievement, because i am 99% sure Arena net will not remove it. Your logic is impeccable.
*sigh* Again. I have the achievement. I got it day one and then portalled people for two hours while helping maintain a three-server wide truce.
We’re not asking them to remove it. That is just a bad idea at this juncture. We’re politely requesting that they don’t put an objective like that in there again.
And please don’t bring up the tired old ‘but it’s not required’ thing again. Technically nothing we do in-game is required. So that invalidates any argument along those lines.
Sorry to be nitpicky here, but this is the third achievement down there.
Another three in the other three jumping puzzles.
Plus various waypoints and POIs that took some of us months to complete.
Well, I meant in the context of this particular event. But yeah, there have been others. It’s just part of ANet’s philosophy to have things spread out across different content types.
Sadly, the spread isn’t very even, which has made WvW players feel a little left out, and has given rise to this idea that somehow everything is a “PvE achivement” and is the property of PvEers.
You’re right. The spread isn’t. WvW and PvP achievement sections need serious revamp. But irritation at that should not feed over onto PvE players. That’s just not cool.
I don’t agree with arenanet putting achievements in WvW, especially ones that require you to own a castle, or tower, but you PvErs decide to actually complain about it, while WvWers keep their mouths shut about being forced to do PvE content if they want anything worthwhile.
So you agree that it should not be there either. Cool.
And WvWers don’t keep their mouths shut about it. They bring it up each and every time a PvE player ever mentions not wanting to engage in WvW.
I’ve done the achievement twice now, unless you are bad at JP’s you should not have a problem making it to the end. The zergs pretty much died off since the first day, and if not? Come at a different time or bring your own zerg or sneak past them….. I don’t understand why some of you want to be spoon fed in a MMO.
The puzzle itself is fun. The zergs are not a problem either. It’s the camper groups that just sit at known chokepoints and kill all that pass. Groups that are drawn there as they know that PvE players will be there and they want ‘free kills’. If those groups weren’t so prevalent and persistant then these discussions would have died off long ago.
That isn’t wanting to be spoon-fed, and alluding that we do is quite insulting.
The PvP/WvW community is far more hostile towards others in forums among other places. Especially towards PvE players.
Yeah, sometimes we do get offensive. Partially because of stuff like this. PvP/WvW players are already used to having to PvE if they want to get any achievements or keep a decent cash flow, or see any content. But we generally don’t throw a tantrum about it. It’s just how things are.
Hmm. So having well thought out complaints is throwing a tantrum now? Or is that only because we disagree with you? Don’t answer that. We already know the answer.
Note that all the harsh and hostile voices have been from the WvW community. That’s not just a coincidence.
Why do people keep trying to bring up beastmaster rangers from GW1? Those builds were nigh-unkillable with high unblockable damage output. If those kind of builds were in GW2 noone would be complaining.
Not true. Just because you need to play against other players does not mean you need to act harshly towards them. That is a common fault among many PvP players. That is the biggest reason I dislike PvP and do little WvW. It’s the community that makes me avoid it. I prefer speaking with and interacting with those that know how to be polite and who know what is and is not appropriate.
by acting harshly, you mean killing them? what do you interpret as acting harsh? you’re not supposed to be able to communicate with enemies in any way, they can’t trash talk, the worst and only thing they can do is to kill you.
do you even know what you’re saying? killing other people is put in this game by design.
I’m referring to how you are acting towards other people in the community in an out-of-game fashion. The PvP/WvW community is far more hostile towards others in forums among other places. Especially towards PvE players.
i wasn’t singling you out or anything, i was speaking in general to all those that feel they shouldn’t have to pvp to get some arbitrary achievement in a pvp zone.
The problem they are noting is that the placement of the kite is arbitrary. It’s not that they have to PvP in a PvP zone. It’s that ANet put it in a PvP zone in the first place.
plus it’s a hostile community because it’s based on your characters killing other characters. pvp is competitive by nature, its a competitive environment, it wouldn’t be fun without hostility.
Not true. Just because you need to play against other players does not mean you need to act harshly towards them. That is a common fault among many PvP players. That is the biggest reason I dislike PvP and do little WvW. It’s the community that makes me avoid it. I prefer speaking with and interacting with those that know how to be polite and who know what is and is not appropriate.
you’re not entitled to get all the achievements. classic gamer entitlement. if you want the achievement in the puzzle, you either learn how to pvp, get friends to carry you through it. or leave and come back later when its empty.
just because someone hates pvp/wvw doesn’t mean they should be allowed to get a pvp/wvw achievement for free.
if you loathe pvp so much, then you just have to live with the fact that you will never get this particular achievement.
*sigh*
You realize that I have it and have helped many others get it, right? Like I’ve only stated many times in this thread already.
And I don’t hate PvP and WvW. Just its incredibly hostile community.
Ranged can be kind of risky in this game as well with reflect and bosses targetting far of players etc, but whatever.
I agree, generally you’d like to run 1 ranged and 1 melee. As for choice of melee it’s up to you. Sword does more damage, but can be difficult to control and a terrible on retaliation. GS is a “safe bet”, you maintain control and have evasion on auto which makes encounters way more forgiving.
GS also has CC with a stun/daze, a seperate block, and an incredible gap-closer. It’s a great tool.
okey, but the melee weapon doesn’t really matter? I mean does sword or GS scale the best with power?
Depends on your personal choice. Many prefer sword/warhorn for pure damage. I, personally, prefer the GS as it isn’t that much slower than and has better survivability than the S/W combo meaning that I can stay in melee longer.
I like to think that that statement was said independently by one of the WvW guys and not the Living Story team.
But if they do it a third time then I’ll be forced to agree that the don’t know what they’re doing.
They know perfectly well what they are doing. They have that map, completely unique in itself since it’s a pure PvP roaming map at the core, they need to put rewards inside to attract people and make use of it but not something too rewarding so that you don’t really need it.
So they put something desirable but optional in it, say, and achievement. And it works, there’s life in the map at last and it’s some fun PvP and it’s still optional.
And there’s still some QQ but they know it’d happen. See, their desires are at odds with the OCD PvP haters in there. No matter what desirable thing they put inside, some OCD PvP hater will want it and will QQ. The only solution for that QQ problem is to not put anything of value inside at all, ie abandoning the map and the concept. They might as well close the place in fact.
Here’s the problem. The people that are drawn in there with the rewards they are offering are, for the most part, the kind of player that does not care for PvP.
That causes a bunch of people to join in the map for the achievement. Unfortunately, they don’t have the WvW/PvP experience or builds. So most of them are just fodder for the experienced WvWers. Most good WvW players realize this and let them past. The other ones take advantage of the situation for ‘free kills’ and basically make those players lose any future interest in touching WvW again.
If the intent is to get more people interested, it has failed. If the intent is to provide ‘free badges’ to WvW players, then I’ve lost all respect for a company which I have championed since GW1 was in beta.
And don’t confuse the completionists with ‘PvP haters’. Some are both, yes. Some just don’t care for PvP. That isn’t hate. It’s just aversion.
Also, not all complaining is QQing. And to state that it is is just plain insulting.
A bow and your melee of choice, or dual melee. I’d only ever run dual ranged if you’re absolutely forced to. Keeping a melee option allows you to increase you DPS substantially when your health and the situation allows it.
I only attack people in there if I’m attacked first, but I haven’t had as much luck with other players.
