Guild Wars 2

Over the past year people have really discovered the meta in WvW. Guardians and warriors in front, elementalists for waters and aoe, and Necros for wells. Whenever I log in to play wvw I am asked to switch to one of these. It isn’t a big deal. I like helping my guild and sever as much as possible but I would rather be playing my main (teef.) As many of you know this is not part of the meta.

In GvGs there are “pick teams” of high dps/cc players that take out back lines. Right now I fit that role in our WvW fights with a panic strike build I play fairly well. Not claiming to be really uber top 10 in the world good. Just well. I do okay. I have a good amount of experience in that role. I co-ordinate with my party to spike and pick targets and they die. I will also run a venom share hybrid 2,0,6,0,6 with devourer and bassy venoms for everyone! I’m like Oprah giving out these venoms!

There are many players that play their class very well that don’t get the recognition they deserve. You could play your engi, mes, ranger, or teef very well and contribute in many different ways….. but you in the group’s eyes as a whole are not as valuable to the team as a GWEN player. Yes GWEN players are super important! Where would I be without my tank friends? I be ded. very ded. My ele friends quench mah thirst so well <3. my necros keep on the pressure so I can push.

I believe there should be more tangible ways of non GWEN players being able to contribute. Maybe the new specializations will have more team comps provided. That and I’m asking the community for a huge favor! Please, please, PLEASE don’t assume everyone that is playing something other than the meta is a scrub who cant help in any way and be kind to each other

Am I the only scrub who noticed this was happening? pls tell me i’m not. Any comments? Share them so we can (I can) understand this situation a bit more wholeheartedly.

I won’t spend money under this model regardless of intentions….. I have spent quite the amount and have been happy with every transaction in the past. I wont do it now. This is not right. For this one patch to make this many players do complete 180s on their stance concerning this business model…. I just hope this has a happy ending

Hattoni.8597:

Razer naga 2014 + razer orbweaver stealth. I can’t even imagine playing on keyboard. I recommend those for everyone.

Same! I use my orbweaver analog stick for movement. All my fingers are always on my skill buttons and I love it. No way I could use a keyboard. Its just so fluid and natural feeling… coming from a guy that heavily played console games growing up.

Fergo.8136:

Welcome to Yaks Bend, Pancakes and specifically, [SG]. It was great to see you all in WvW yesterday and you really know how to work as a team. (Even if Jason sends you on scouting missions :p )

LOL Fergo thank you and thank you YB! We do what we can for the Yaks :P I don’t mind either. I always forget to scout and Jason does a pretty good job reminding me. Here’s to many a bag in our future comrades!

Cheers

Hey everyone I’m Pancakes from Shadow Gypsies. We made the switch today from Jade Quarry (still getting as many people over as possible) and day one was awesome. I’m glad we came off season so we can get to know everyone while it’s not so crazy! It seems like I can speak for everyone in that we really enjoy our new home. We wanted something new and this is a nice fresh breath. Everyone has been nothing but supportive and we appreciate it. Feel free to raid with us! We look forward to fighting with you all.

I’m just trying out new things in wvw first. I love glassy thief combat in zerg vs. zerg fights with the guildies. Pre-patch I played 2,6,0,0,6 in wvw and pvp. I have now tweaked it to:

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(I use Air sigil not force silly builder it must have been your fault)
It is a 4,0,6,0,4 venom share build I came up with. I know its weird let me explain!

Im giving up slieght of hand but in return Im gaining a TON of cc in those venoms in team fights. I give up the Crit strikes line but I gain the power from deadly arts and the venom’s cool downs are now 36 seconds. My crit chance is check it out…. 49% just like the old build. I still gain the buffs from steal. Yes sleight of hand cool down reduction isn’t there any more…. but I’m finding that my opponents are not living long enough for a second steal.

Lets talk about CC and damge. I chose the ice drake venom out of preference to devourer but they both work beautifully in place of infiltrator’s signet. I open with either of those…. as well as my allies. those 3 charges times the 5 allies plus myself of course…. that is 18 CCs. some will land lol. I try to use one venom when the other is around half way done with it’s cool down. I then just do the regular glass d/p thing. Still giving out the trickery line buffs and stealing them boons When enemy low just press bassy venom… 6 of those puppies in one guy…. haha it makes me smile.

One would think that without crit strikes your damage loss would be VERY noticable. Well…. let me tell ya about 2375 starting power and the 2 might stacks for every invis. Yeah…. I still hurt…. alot.

Let’s talk surviving. in this build I have lost Practiced tolerance…. so very low health pool…. good thing that shadow arts toughness comes into play here. Oh and those leeching venoms. Your party wont complain. Oh and just for a bonus I threw in condi clear in stealth…. I haven’t used this trait in years lol. I forgot how tanky it makes you…. for a teef.

I wanted to share this build because I have really enjoyed it. My allies find it hilarious when they venom cc someone….. but most importantly I like this build because it’s playstyle is almost unchanged from the ole’ 2,6,0,0,6. You play it almost the same. I love glass teef. I still haven’t played this in spvp…. without the precision food I see it failing. badly. but If you just want to go into wvw this works well in zerg and small team fights(if organized.) Have a great day!

Try the P/d trap thief build. No I’m not joking. front page of forums. runes of the trapper are actually surprising me. Its really fun to play.

This build is making p/d fun to play. Who would have thought traps?…. hah… thank you for sharing your build. We needed something new.

beautifully written! Lol I love it. I agree completely. Condi just doesn’t scratch my thief itch. It’s for somebody out there….but that person is boring.

stealthy.4506:

We can say as many bad thing that violated the forum rule in this thread as long as no one report because no one from ANet is actually reading thief forum. My statement are true until any dev come disprove me. Let see how long before I got denied. This will tell hiw much they care about us. I bet none

I agree completely. I want to hear the honest thief experiences , mindsets, and play styles of the people that forgot that thieves use movement skills and steal at the same time. They are the ones who tested the combat, approved, and released the patch…. Lets not forget that they think that traiting into 1.5 seconds of stability on revealed is a good idea….. or that you get healed in the precision line….news flash trait creators. No one gives a flying kitten.

Guys and gals lets face it. Players just couldn’t stay out of a small black circle. It was just way too hard. Obviously there still is work to be done. I think BP should cost 7 initiative and only pulse once imho. Players need to not watch their positioning and have more one button aoe/chain skills with homing. They are just the funnest. We are not quite there yet but we are getting there. Maybe one day we will have……………………………… brb having an aneurysm………yep I’m done. Anyone know of a single target only pvp 3rd person game with emphasis on movement and finesse? Yes I am throwing in the towel here. I have better things to do. The way this game is going…. well ill define it for you…. It is going into an emphasis on mindless play and I am not a fan. I’ve played aoe heavy classes and played well I did…. but it was not fun. Yes rant thread. Yes I am mad bro. Yes L2p. Yes neck-beard. Yes Mountain Dew and Doritos. Yes…….I think I’ve said what I came here to say well enough. good night.

Cynz.9437:

Sizer.2654:

Maybe steal bug is a marketting strategy!!! since there wont be any buffs coming our direction anytime soon, therefore they create bugs to later fix it and create illusionary buffs.

the sad part, this is probably true O_o

You were right Irrwi. I rage quit thief today. – Pancakes

This combo is so ingrained into my muscle memory I don’t think i will be able to stop. Hope its not an un-mentioned part of the feature pack.

When I prime a skill (heartseeker, blackpowder, etc.) and use steal it fail’s most of the time now. sometimes it works but most of the time it is out of range. Yes I am for sure in range. My character ports but none of the effects proc. Making sleight of hand pretty useless. It feels unpredictable, and unreliable. Not a fan. Hope its a bug and not a ninja patch not mentioned in the feature pack.

Stomp is only working for me when no other buttons are being pressed. including the mouse buttons. makes the game feel very clunky. i don’t like it and i hope…. I HOPE its a bug.

Yeah, this has taught me to not go to Vegas. ever. I’m going to save up for it lol.

900g in for spark right now and nothing but come on. there has to be some poor soul off way worse than I. Right?

Just bought again and it worked. oh well

Hello all. I already sent a ticket but I wanted to see if anyone had a quick solution. I have all the ingredients, recipe activated, 400 chef, have chef equipped. There is just no option for crafting the vial I don’t know how to fix it.

500g down that magical toliet of doom so far… Just don’t do it. Just… don’t… Save up the $ and buy your precursor from the tp.

in depth guide against other classes would be pretty awesome!

7:11:3:191:101
In L.A. , wvw, hotm, but weirdly not in any pvp matches.

Every 5 minutes after log in or so. Sometimes I’ll go an hour or so fine even during NA prime. The d.c.‘s are well spread out. Some even at 4 am. starts with the usual. Skills don’t work and flash, no interaction works. Usually only takes 3-5 seconds before dc. Sometimes (rarely) all interaction will stop for about 10-20 seconds then everything bounces back into place and keeps running as normal.

Guys don’t worry its just the major cable companies and the FCC :p

nopoet.2960:

Does anyone still run 2/6/0/0/6?

While I’ve for the most part switched to 6/2/0/0/6 I went back to the ye olden build for a dozen or so games yesterday with the guidies. It is a butt ton of damage but now I’m used to having that panic strike. I guess it is alright.

Hey Senso! Just watched the video. I was looking at the comments. I have to ask if improvisation really does give you that 10% bonus damage with a stolen item or if it is only with a held weapon (ele conjure bow etc.) I saw some comments on your vid questioning it and now I am too. tried looking it up but no one knows! Ive been using 6,2,0,0,6 with d/p since patch (watch meta closely) and have been trying to choose that/sundering strikes/or dagger master.
Thank you for thread and have a great day!

Sandrox.9524:

Well,I roamed with that kind of warrior,when he says “im ready” I come to him and use blinding powder to stealth him and then he uses it:P

I Have to try this with the guildies soon! This sounds amazing haha

Wow! Didn’t expect this thread to blow up as much as it did everyone! thank you so much for your insightful comments. If you couldn’t tell I really enjoy theory on pvp gameplay.

Dee Jay.2460:

TehHobNob.4687:

Also. I want your opinions! Should It be possible to down someone else using one skill? I know I am super glassy d/p but still I would like the input. Should this be a thing?

Originally I would have said no. In fact GW2 is the only MMO where you can be literally “one-hit”.

But these builds sacrifice a lot to deal such damage and are themselves “one-hit” victims. Also after the Ferocity nerf this has become increasingly rare.

So while overall I still don’t think it’s good game-design to have “one-shots”, in the larger scale of things I think it’s ok.

You know I think I agree. At first glance I think I don’t like it, but after some thought I think it is a good thing. It is interesting and can open up new ideas/new ways to play! It’s kinda awesome. Its like someone can be playing a (call of duty reference incoming) hardcore mode while someone else is playing the opposite (tanky) and I love it. Makes the GW2 combat system really unique.

Come to think of it there is no telling how many times I have probably reflected them without even realizing it! Hilarious

Carpboy.7145:

I like you. Very positive

Thank you I appreciate that!

Carpboy.7145:

You couldn’t use your #4 headshot to interrupt a 2 sec channel that the warrior has to sit completely still for? Or use your #3 to close the gap and blind him, this missing killshot?

Absolutely! Couldn’t agree more. That is exactly what I usually do. This particular fight I was outmanned so I was turning tail and headed away. Didn’t see that rifle haha. I had one guy down in a 1v2with almost full health at the end of it. I was pretty proud of myself. It took quite a few more button presses than 1 to do that. Then that happens and I thought oh well that’s life. Just really surprised me when I checked out that combat log.

It was just interesting to me. I really cant get much glassier and I’m sure the warrior was too…. but.. the highest I honestly think I’ve ever hit with a back stab (so glassy I just 2-4k auto on 3rd hit) is about 11k on an upleveled ele. Even that however requires a stealth and the hit… my point being I at least hit 2 buttons. No matter how easy it is to dodge(which it is don’t get me wrong)…that killshot connects sometimes. It just seems I don’t know…. like its mindless play. You do have to worry about the cast time tho… or do you? Part of me wonders how glassy of a warrior you have to be to get those numbers. I have to stay on the edge of my seat (which I love) playing burst thief. Kinda doubt that warrior can go down as fast as me if they mess up.

Also. I want your opinions! Should It be possible to down someone else using one skill? I know I am super glassy d/p but still I would like the input. Should this be a thing?

Check out that combat log. Best not to get hit by one

Thank you for the quick help Got it all

Hello all! I had purchased the outfit last Halloween and never took it off my main’s town clothes equip slot. When the patch hit it was simply gone. I tried looking at the outfits tab but It says I do not have it. I sent a ticket in with no response after a week or so. Not sure what to do. Any one know a solution or had this happen to them as well?

2/6/0/0/6 d/p is just kinda not where i want it right now. This patch made condis way too easy to apply and do massive damage. The crit damage nerf is more noticeable than i would have thought. I never feel like I’m doing enough damage and I’m full glass. I would be happy to go glassier but the only option for that would be 6/6/0/0/2 and that Isn’t going to happen. Imo if we just let steal have a stun by default without slide of hand the class would have many more open doors. I’m not budging on 6 trickery. Now that I think about it every class has that one trait line that just feels like it should j be a part of the profession’s combat anyway. In thief for me its trickery because it focuses on steal and initiative. You know…. the main things that make a thief a thief…. but this is all theorycrafting at this point. Pre-patch I was just feeling like it was more fun and now its just meh…. I guess ill try a p/d condi build maybe? I hear the confusion grandmaster is cool.

Check out team Disney Channel. They have been wining recent big tournaments. Caed is their d/p thief. Always at the top of the leader boards. Yeah those don’t say much about how much you actually did but still. He does a great job that is hard to do. For the most part that job takes more coordination and teamwork than playing on a bunker. You have to manage the map and figure out where to be at what time.

So I have this weird thing that I cant figure out. When I heartseeker+infiltrator sig or steal combo towards an enemy sometimes (mostly on unlevel surfaces) I will port towards the target and then the rest of the heartseeker continues away from the target. I end up close to where I started never got a hit on the target. I was wondering if anyone else had this happen to them. I just can not figure it out. Most of the time it works like it should. Note* auto target is off.
Another thing is that sometimes it works honestly too well. I heartseeker+sig to port and the heartseeker finishes with a slide that feels like burning speed on an ele into the target which I swear must be an extra 300-500 range. Its just weird. Not complaining tho haha. I just wish this whole skill was more consistent.

I have a weird theory that It might have something to do with the new patches that come out + your isp = doesn’t work. I have a weird isp that I dont think many people have (Metrocast). When this update came I stopped being able to play at NA prime time. Everyone else in my guild is fine but they are mostly in eastern time with time warner whereas I am in central with metrocast. I just wants to plahy teh gahmes

I was just in a zerg fight at bay. well… I was outside the inner walls…. timing with a stopwatch….. you see it took 9 seconds for skill 1 to activate after I pushed the button. it took 12 seconds for weapon swap. This lag has been a problem for me since the lions arch living story came out. I just figured I would offer some actual data other than saying hurhur game r slow. please…. if anyone has any suggestions I would love to hear them. I haven’t been able to play on NA prime time in a week.

I was doing the same thing. meeting Destiny’s Edge. All the kids where playing pretend in a city burned to the ground with a death spaceship in the background. Thought it was quite funny and lazy.

After the Lion’s Arch patch I have been having over the top lag issues of which I normally do not have.

RyuDragnier.9476:

TehHobNob.4687:

Roe.3679:

Just observing that a lot of these complaints are from a specific, very high population, top of tier 1 server…

Yes. The teir 1 servers like mine experience more lag than others because of the high number of players. That is not anyone’s fault other than the game. If the high player count has a direct negative impact on other people’s experience it needs to be dealt with in one way or another. I have noticed that some players do not want to play on a teir 1 server for this reason alone and you know what? That is a valid point. I’m not a game dev so my suggestions (especially in mmo’s) do not hold any merit but they would be lower the player count in the maps or work on the network code. Both may not be anywhere possible, but I doubt that all has been done to fix the issues that people are having.

INCORRECT. It is the population’s fault for bandwagoning onto a single server. You want a fix to this? I got the perfect one…we lower the server cap and push inactive players onto other servers. Or we lower the amount of people who can be on WvW, which will negatively effect YOU. Either way, it fixes your problem.

You really think it’s the player’s responsibility to manage server population in order for a company’s game to work right? I would demand $ for compensation at that point. If I did that I could say I have worked first hand on a mmo. Part one of your “perfect fix” I already suggested so you are being redundant…. part two I honestly have no idea how pushing players that do not play any way will fix a lag problem caused by players that are currently online so please….. enlighten me.

Roe.3679:

Just observing that a lot of these complaints are from a specific, very high population, top of tier 1 server…

Yes. The teir 1 servers like mine experience more lag than others because of the high number of players. That is not anyone’s fault other than the game. If the high player count has a direct negative impact on other people’s experience it needs to be dealt with in one way or another. I have noticed that some players do not want to play on a teir 1 server for this reason alone and you know what? That is a valid point. I’m not a game dev so my suggestions (especially in mmo’s) do not hold any merit but they would be lower the player count in the maps or work on the network code. Both may not be anywhere possible, but I doubt that all has been done to fix the issues that people are having.

style.6173:

#firstworldproblems

I’ll accept that. Doesn’t mean I’m wrong though. In this first world county I don’t know about you but when I buy something I expect it to function properly.

Honestly its unacceptable a year and a half for any game mode…. no matter how many players participate for there to still be literally 30 second skill lag followed by a disconnect. The set numbers for players allowed in a borderlands map is too high if the server cannot handle the stress. That is the hard fact. It shouldn’t be happening. source—just disconnected again. I don’t go a day without experiencing this and respectively I am tired of it. My guild mates are too. Its not fun.

Im going to be honest and didn’t read your full post through. You later stated that the servers would keep their identity and would not fully “merge.” I’m sorry I was an impatient fool. This is a great idea

I believe this is an awesome idea…. however….. If I was ANET I would never do it. The news story would be (and yes it would be a big one)…. “GuildWars2 has to merge servers only after a year and a half of its release because of a shortage of players.” It would look terrible. I believe they would not risk that even if this gives an overall better experience.

enjoyed reading that and looking back on everything Who knows whats going to happen…. SOR is just done. They are bored and want to do something else (probably EOTM full time for fights and not worry about PPT) which is cool. BG isn’t done by a long shot. Everyone there is just checking out EOTM and soon JQ will too because nothing can be played if its all capped. The only questions left unanswered are who is going to replace SOR in T1 and will they have enough people? Will people switch to the new server?

This is amazing! more please!!! can we get coverage on other servers as well? I would love to see all the commander’s comments to the other servers :p