Guild Wars 2

I run something similar with Technobabble Build

But I tend to have less Power then you, and focus on getting condition damage up to around 1000 or so.

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=VF;5Fku-g2NxV-0;9k4N;19TT;01;019B09A;4K-k0;2bUytbUyt20Fd1-N9;2VPVUWradYs5p_5uVIF31W5;9;9;9;9;9;9V6s5R

I switched it up eventually and dropped perplexity because i lacked a Stun Break..

ended up going with Traveler’s

Prysin.8542:

Terravos.4059:

Kaino.4913:

@Terravos You ‘do’ realize the CDI thread ended only a couple of weeks ago, correct? Also everything mentioned in the thread isn’t expected to happen, there’s also the blatant disregard you have for the current Grandmaster Traits in the game at the moment. Some folks do run berserker builds with sword or players who enjoy using Bark Skin’s trait as an indicator to back out of a fight. Do be more considerate of others instead of being an uneducated and utterly outrageous waste of characters on this post I just typed.

I’m not even taking the CDI into account, the last Balance Patch was in December, That should of been more then enough time to come up with viable traits.

As for folks running berserker builds with sword or players who enjoy bark skin, That’s great….I’m sure some people enjoy Bearbow as well..but adding more crappy traits because some players enjoy crappy traits and specs doesn’t make those crappy traits better now does it?

You do know that you sound awfully arrogant and condescending the way you always tell people to “play your way or reroll” ?

Just thought i’d let you know.

- lynx

I’m not saying you have to play my way or reroll, But saying Bad Traits are ok because someone is clueless enough to use them is just silly

Kaino.4913:

@Terravos You ‘do’ realize the CDI thread ended only a couple of weeks ago, correct? Also everything mentioned in the thread isn’t expected to happen, there’s also the blatant disregard you have for the current Grandmaster Traits in the game at the moment. Some folks do run berserker builds with sword or players who enjoy using Bark Skin’s trait as an indicator to back out of a fight. Do be more considerate of others instead of being an uneducated and utterly outrageous waste of characters on this post I just typed.

I’m not even taking the CDI into account, the last Balance Patch was in December, That should of been more then enough time to come up with viable traits.

As for folks running berserker builds with sword or players who enjoy bark skin, That’s great….I’m sure some people enjoy Bearbow as well..but adding more crappy traits because some players enjoy crappy traits and specs doesn’t make those crappy traits better now does it?

I think a lot of people overestimate Survival of the Fittest, and think you’ll still be able to get by without Empathetic Bond

Unless you’re planning on running Anti Condition runes, in which case you’re going to be running Signet of the Hunt most likely, you’re really going to only have room for Lightning Reflex (Since SoR will take your last spot) ..which means you’re trading 3 conditions removed every 10 seconds for 2 conditions removed every 32 seconds.

You can never have to much condition removal in this game.

AEFA.9035:

Terravos.4059:

I wouldn’t use Hydromancy with Sigil of Intel, because when you swap, you’d crit with Hydro wasting the intel procs

Intelligent Sigil would give you 3 guaranteed crit though

you hit 3 people with that Sigil of Hydro it’ll waste all 3 hits

If it was 2k, you could technically run it with Fernhound for a big burst heal hehe

I’d probably still run spiders even if it was 2k…Just consider it an extra bonus heal

RedSpectrum.1975:

Terravos.4059:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBj4pEnMzNA

Nope.. no perplex runes here

But just equally as cheesiness

LOL omg when bewildering ambush makes its debut..i only shiver…..

No way you could go 30 points in Trickery to get it

Already go to run 30 in Deadly Arts and 30 in Shadow Arts

(though you can drop to 20 in DA for some setups)

It does provide might

Problem with AI builds in gw2 is that they are almost 100% passive, for example: spirit ranger – summon a clump of AI, spam 1 = done, mesmer – summon phantasms, roll around, let them do all the work = done, mm necro has the most active AI control, yet still lacking.

There aren’t that many “spam AI for pvp” mmorpgs that you could call countless, larger part is only 1 AI per class. Also answer me this – how many AI spamming classes do you see in currently most popular pvp games of different genres? Passive play should never be better than active play. [/quote]

Spirit Rangers don’t actually spam the 1 key, I’ve went over that before with people, I’d rather not do it again. Spirit Rangers in general actually mimic one class in particula…Shamans in WoW. That’s all those Spirits actually are is portable Totems that some of you seem to have trouble with (when they’re one of the easiest things in the game to kill)

Memser’s Phantasms are nothing more then Graphical Versions of their Attacks (at least the ones that actually do damage) Instead of just flat out hitting you with say 3k damage with an attack, They summon a "NPC version of that same ability that does the same thing.

Minion Masters are the closest thing to a an actual “Pet Class” in the game, and their pets are not hard to take out….

As for PvP games of different Genre’s, you mean something like HoN (Slither for example) or Team Fortress 2 (The Engineer)

I wouldn’t use Hydromancy with Sigil of Intel, because when you swap, you’d crit with Hydro wasting the intel procs

Don’t worry about Counter play on Striders Defense

Because no one is going to use that god awful trait in the first place.

Why does a game that claims to be about competitive PvP, not have a PTS?

Despite what the Developers might think, They’re not the best ones to determine if something is balanced or not. That is why you have a Public Test Server, So before you can dump a bunch of overpowered crap on the Live Servers, people can test it and show that it shouldn’t go Live.

probably over half the balance mistakes you guys made in the past year could of been pointed out on a PTS…The other half were so blatantly obvious that you didn’t need a PTS to see they were over the top.

This game needs a PTS like every other bloody game does

Take SWTOR, it has a PTS, and when they were getting ready to add a really overpowered ability to Sniper in the coming patch, the PTS showed how overpowered it would be.

a Competitive PvP game with no PTS for the population to test and point out overpowered stuff before hand? Completely stupid

Striders makes zero bloody sense..I can’t see this being used by anyone..

But of course…Allie thinks we should test this crap because ya know.. we can’t tell a kitten when we see it according to the Anet Devs

Nope.. no perplex runes here

But just equally as cheesiness

Course if you really wanted to Cover Conditions with Shortbow Rpfohr, you could go that Vulnerability Sigil..it doesn’t have a cooldown like Sigil of Earth does either…So you could keep putting that on a person as well.

If you’re swapping from Sic’EM to that (which is viable vs a Thief)

I’d trade Muddy Terrain for Sharpening Stones..5 Bleeds is pretty good, and it doesn’t have a cast time like Muddy Terrain

SB won’t be bad with 2 sigils… i’m just thinking about losing the Axe Weakness and Chill, plus Splitblade with Earth +Sharpened Edges is able to do huge bleed stacks real quick.

Also instead of Air on the SB, think about maybe trying Torment Sigil..Its one more condition to cover your other Conditions.

don’t use Muddy Terrain, It in no way compares to SoR

Other then that, The build will work, though if you were to go Axe/Horn instead of Shortbow it might work better

Dee Jay.2460:

butch.8136:

Why try and balance it when you’re about to change the entire game with the runes, sigils and GM changes.

Fair enough. In theory it would make sense to wait out how things evolve before getting into actual balance issues.

But some things aren’t hard to predict. Conditions especially, are going to run rampant in WvW if they are not addressed in this patch.

Everyone and their mother will be stacking Dire gear with Perplexity Runes, with +40% Condition Duration and the new Sigils and going to town with massive amounts of near unavoidable and uncleansable conditions.

This is not a hard prediction to make given how this is already the case and Crit-builds are getting a hefty nerf.

My only hope at this point is that Condition Duration gets changed to, just like Critical Damage.

It depends on the builds…But Condition Builds aren’t going to be any more powerful outside of Small Fights then they already are.

You go get Dire Gear in WvW, gets some perplexity runes and go attack a zerg with your Conditions, and you’ll see the same thing everyone else see..They’re instantly Cured by the PvT hammer train zerging around in a big ball spamming the 1 key.

You cannot go over the top with condi cleansing in this game…..as a BM Bunker Ranger, i can apply everyone of my conditions pretty much every 10 seconds….which is pretty much all of them except torment and confusion.

As for giving up the Signet of the Wild…SoR is needed for fighting things like a Necromancer….if you don’t have it, you’ll probably die.

Anything damage wise would never be taken over EB most likely, The only thing that’s going to replace EB on a Ranger is something utility wise.

Poison is not used for its damage, Its used for its healing debuff and condition coverage of actual good damage conditions.

Now if that trait say..Buffed the healing Debuff of Poison up to 50% or 75%…… then that trait would probably be used even over empathetic bond with a NM build.

Prysin.8542:

Terravos.4059:

The only way the NM one will be better then other Condition Builds is if they made something like Heal as One a Survival Skill…that would actually probably make the ability fairly good.

i think that was brought up by allie during the CDI. Who cares, too late for that to be changed/implemented now anyways.

I do not see much of a roamers/pvp utility in the new skills, i agree with that. However support for WvW, i see lots of possibilities with the new stuff. Now all i need to find out, is how this all scales with the rune and sigil change. And also, to which degree they fixed the pet

Its adding basically another Condition Based “Bunker” build for us… That isn’t any better in terms of utility or solo power…It does nothing for the Ranger Problems.

The only way the NM one will be better then other Condition Builds is if they made something like Heal as One a Survival Skill…that would actually probably make the ability fairly good.

Prysin.8542:

Electro.4173:

Read the Wind is meh. Needing to trait to actually hit things is rather silly (even if it will ultimately be useful) and its pretty much exclusively useful for PvP.

Strider’s Defense is an interesting concept, but relying on a relatively small chance to block ranged attacks seems iffy at best. And the fact that it only works melee further limits its usefulness.

Poison Master seems pretty decent. 50% boosted damage is nothing to scoff at, and free poison on pet swaps is a nice bonus on top of that that’ll help keep it up.

Survival of the Fittest is amazing on its own. Ranger is sorely in need of active cleanses, and this trait is extremely good for that. But Nature Magic? Why? Even the devs themselves during the stream were like “Yah, it should probably be in Wilderness Survival but its not because… its just not”. I guess maybe its because Poison Master is in Wilderness Survival already (and its probably perfect there) and they’re not going to add 2 traits to one tree, but… save one of them for another time then so you can add it where it should be, don’t just shove a perfectly fitting trait somewhere else.

Invigorating Bond seems interesting. Seems like a fair tradeoff from Natural Healing. Sacrifice some of your pets’ self-healing (but not all of it, as I assume your pet still heals itself as well) and get party support in return. It doesn’t seem like an amazing, game-defining trait or anything, but its decent, especially considering Beastmastery doesn’t have the best grandmaster traits to begin with.

actually, atm, Natural Healing is bugged, so it only heals the ranger for 133/3 seconds, instead of pet for 125/second and ranger for 125/3 seconds.

Terravos.4059:

I’m willing to bet… that like most things with this game…That Poison trait won’t work on your pets Poison Fields

Probably, Combo finishers are bound by certain rules as is. Still things that pique my interest is stuff like Warthog RNG drop, Scale. Which has insane poison duration and damage in a rabid+carrion (60% duration) condi build.

you can already have perma poison already as a Ranger with just sword/dagger…

There is no reason to use that god awful pet for more poison

Natural healing heals the pet..It is not bugged

look at your pets health bar when the trait is on..you’ll see your pets health increasing by 125 a second..

It doesn’t show on the actual pet (the green numbers) based on a change they did a while back.

I’m willing to bet… that like most things with this game…That Poison trait won’t work on your pets Poison Fields

You’re basically removing 1 Condition With Soldiers rune with Guard every 12 seconds. you’d be better off with an actual condition removal Rune.

Running Brown Bear is a way to keep up Condition removal as a Ranger vs the Bm Bunker killing your pet….However you pretty much lose out on a lot of damage by doing that, Which means the chance of killing the BM Bunker is even less.

EB is always a Necessity…There is no amount of Condition Removal in this game that is equiv to the Condition Application of the Condition based Classes in this game.

I’d still say you’d be better off with the Second Spider over Marsh Drake As well..MD was good right up till they removed it hitting people behind it….

Oh and you have to remember, By not going Signet of the Wild (Or having something like the nature’s shout for regen) your Pet is going to be very very easy to kill with this build.

Its very hard to kill a BM bunker Ranger’s pet before he swaps..

you basically need 2 DPS to accomplish it.

And as i’ve said before…Eb doesn’t work while the pet is dead..It has never worked while the pet is dead..They pulled that directly from their kitten

Against shout build the common strategy however is to kill the pet, Which is possible… and you’ll be able to kill the Survival Build’s pet as well..It’ll have slightly more dps and condition removal though when its pet actually does die though.

It’ll still die to a BM Bunker

don’t use Muddy Terrain, it is in no way equiv to SoR.

Yes… its absolutely needed

i can reapply every one of my conditions every 10 seconds on my Ranger…Every single one….Necros can do the same…A lot of the other Dangerous Classes like the Thief and Mesmer got more Conditions to apply with these trait changes.

not to mention, WS has the 20% reduction to your skills, So you want that..Its got Martial Mastery and offhand training..So that covers most of your good weapons..

Hey Allie, maybe you could explain to us what the Devs were trying to accomplish with the Ranger Trait Changes

Anyway, Build basically has more DPS then Shout build, but is less Survivable over all…

a BM Bunker Ranger will kill you the same way he kills a Shout Ranger, by ganking your pet…And There is no way your condition removal will keep up wit the BM Bunkers (and if that new Heal Trait is any good, you’re really screwed)

Its basically another “Bunker” Ranger type condition build, That we have lots of right now..Without fixing the Power Rangers

Yea, Warhorn could work over Dagger…But you’re basically giving up keen edges which works good with the build….If Keen Edges was in Skirmishing Line, it’d work a lot better

Its got good Bleed Application, Between Keen Edges, and Sharpening Stone + Sigil of Earth and Geomancy…

Its got pretty good Condition Removal, but it suffers cause of Lack of Healing Power in my opinion..so while its Condition Removal is up, I feel its Sustain would be worse.

You’re pretty much still forced in Superior Rune of Speed or Superior Rune of the Traveler, Though SPvP players might not need those runes and could run something else

Spiders are still your best bet, Though Dogs might work.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vMAQRAnf8YjEq0vaLL2sw1agYVQQtHcy8Yy9w/dCAlMqmA-z0BBoODimqI0kHBKTqIasFTFRjVJjIqWpEjUALKNC-w

This is the only build I could come up with that would do reasonably well with the new NM Trait..

and i still think its weaker then both the Shout Build and the BM Bunker Ranger build.

This is the only viable Survival of the Fittest Build that i could see working

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vMAQRAnf8YjEq0vaLL2sw1agYVQQtHcy8Yy9w/dCAlMqmA-z0BBoODimqI0kHBKTqIasFTFRjVJjIqWpEjUALKNC-w

thefantasticg.3984:

Yeah, easy easy easy to see these were all made with PVP/WVW in mind. There’s no way these incredibly underthought grandmaster traits were even considered with anything having to with PVE or dungeons. More I read information from the Devs the more I am convinced they do not want me to play a Ranger.

Terravos.4059:

Skirmishing: Strider’s Defense – You have a 15% chance to block ranged attacks while in melee.

Again, Who is going to use this trait? Trappers won’t use it because they’re already investing points into making traps better, Interrupt Builds grab MoC, Berserker Rangers won’t use it because no one sane runs a bloody melee weapon with berserker gear

I assume you meant this towards WVW and PVP? Because I used to zerker melee on my Ranger all the time in PVE/Dungeons.

Yes i’m meaning towards PvP in general, because you can be successful being completely traitless in PvE in this game.

This is the only viable build I can see doing reasonably well

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vMAQRAnf8YjEq0vaLL2sw1agYVQQtHcy8Yy9w/dCAlMqmA-z0BBoODimqI0kHBKTqIasFTFRjVJjIqWpEjUALKNC-w

and i still don’t think i’d be better then Shout or BM Bunker

Apathetic Wombat.2176:

A lot of new traits seem to be designed with sPvP in mind, since they’re trying to encourage more players to join in. In terms of these new GM traits:

Read the Wind: reduces reaction time against your skills about 33% at 1200 range (estimating travel time drops from 3/4 sec to 3/8 sec, that means total time from skill activation to damage for the Longbow 1 drops from 1.5 sec to just over 1 sec). Given that people are constantly moving in sPvP, piercing shots are nearly impossible to line up consistently, so this is definitely a nice alternative.

Strider’s Defense: 1h sword and greatsword are decently common amongst sPvP rangers, so being able to melee and block incoming damage from other enemies at range will be useful.

Poison Master: Encourages the use of poison. This means very little in PvE, but poison reduces all healing and regen by 33%, making it great for sPvP and WvW.

Survival of the Fittest: You’re concerned that Spirit rangers and Shout rangers won’t use it?? Maybe that’s because it’s meant to improve Survival skills…

Invigorating Bond: ANet has been trying to improve the functionality and diversity of support builds for several months. This seems like another addition for that purpose. Without numbers, I can’t say more.

1. The Few people who run longbow in SPvP will use pierce arrows over that ability, and if they didn’t…They’d most certainly use SoB or Spotters over it.

2. Very few people run Greatsword in SPvP, If you’re using GS….MoC is way way better..The only people who use Sword in SPvP, are Trap Builds/Spirit Builds/BM Bunker builds, none who will use this trait. There is no other Build you’d go with on this.

3. Poison is nothing more then a Heal Debuff, and condition coverage and some damage..and there is no way in hell anyone will use that trait over Empathetic Bond.

4. That’s great..problem is there is no actual decent Build you can go with Survival Skills that wouldn’t be better then the Current builds with Spirits/Shouts

5. Either it’ll be insanely overpowered (1k-2k heal) or it’ll be mediocre (500 point heal)

Atherakhia.4086:

Only the NS one and BM ones I see ever getting a shot.

NS is nice because muddy terrain is more valuable on your bar than guard. Group regen+swiftness vs 2x condi removal every 20 seconds + keen edges. Possible, but meh all around probably.

BM is going to depend on how much it heals. Not valuable in WvW because your pet will be dead. Questionable overall given the shortest F2 is 25 seconds I believe? So it would need to heal for upwards of 1.5-2k to be worth it.

I’m very disappointed nothing was done (again…) to encourage Rangers to use a power build. In all reality, the only thing that interested me in the entire presentation was the Lightning Reflexes change (will it hit 5 targets now ANet?).

I’m with you to be honest. Every time ANet does something to this class I’m convinced they’ve never played it and their only exposure at all is from the PvP side of things and never from WvW or PvE.

Muddy Terrain would be the Equiv of the passive on SoR…I’d still rather have SoR as its a full Condition Removal

There is no way The BM one will heal for more then 500, if it heals for 1k-2k it instantly makes Birds Overpowered

The only way the Nature’s Trait would ever be useful for any new builds, Is if Heal as one became a survival skill

Just for the record, EB has never worked with Dead Pets…Anet just doesn’t know how Rangers Work

Prysin.8542:

Sorry, here is the right build (was messing with a guardian roaming build that would be less party oriented and more self centered as i am running support ranger in group comps)
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vMAQNAsYVjEq0xaLLWsQ1agoVgTvHxa9Aw9oUnCAj4J-zECBIOCi0Cgk0AZSFRjtMqIas6GYqVER1eFFRrmUALKNC-w

What is the goal of the Build?

Is it to Bunker?

Because What you just posted has Less condition removal then if I was to just go 30 Wilderness and Run SoR

I mean bloody hell, Simply look at the chat during the Event to see what we’re talking about..Every class was getting “Wow that’s op” spammed down it..Not a single person was like said anything remotely like that during the Ranger ones..Everyone was pretty much like “meh”

Nope, it won’t work with MoC..Because they have no kitten clue it doesn’t work right now with MoC

blud.8174:

:( I give up. I kept persisting with hope after all the crappy patches (Aquaman ftw), but not anymore.

The changes aren’t bad, except when you look at what every other class is getting you see how weak these changes are. Just reroll another class guys.

Yeap…all the other GM Traits, were bloody overpowered..

and Rangers get some god awful traits