Guild Wars 2

Its a combination of BM Bunker and Technobabble…

Make Heal as One into a Pet Shout

On non uplvled, the highest I got was 16k as well.

But I don’t have the guard buffs + 250 power charge, and other crap.

Thieves being easily killed is entirely based on the build of the thief

When I run around with the Signet+Might Build for huge backstabs, Its insanely easy to kill me…In fact I die more then I actually win…Mainly because the build is hilarious…

Now throw on certain P/D builds I run, and I’m insanely hard to kill.

Marksman

Major Traits
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—Adept Traits—
Steady Focus – This Trait needs no change
Malicious Training – This Trait needs no change
Keen Edges – After recent patch, this Trait is now perfect
Signet Mastery – This Trait has been combined with Beastmaster’s Might Trait
New Trait Added
Poison Tipped Arrow – Longbow/Shortbow now has a chance on crit to apply a 3 second Poison to the target
Predator’s Instinct – This has been changed to a 3 second immobilize when the target drops below 25% health.
Beastmaster’s Bond – This talent now also grants you 3 seconds of stability when your pet reaches 50% life.
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—Master Traits—
Spotter – This Trait no longer needs a change after the last patch
Piercing Arrows – This Trait has been combined with Eagle Eye Trait
New Trait Added
Horn Mastery – Hunter’s Call now Dazes the target for 2 seconds, Call of the Wild now grants 10 seconds of Retal to your pet.
Beastmaster’s Might – Has been combined with signet mastery trait, now grants 20% reduction in signet cooldowns along with the 3 stacks of might for 15 seconds.
Eagle Eye – Now grants shortbow/longbow/harpoon the ability to pierce target’s, increases Longbow/Harpoon Range, Increases Longbow/Harpoon damage.
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—Grandmaster Traits—
Signet of the Beastmaster – This Trait has been redesigned, Signets no longer require this trait to grant the active to the Ranger, This opens up Signet usage to other builds as currently most don’t even pop signets they have due to it only working on the pet. This Trait now Coverts 1 condition into 1 boon on the ranger, and 2 conditions into 2 boons on the Ranger Pet on Signet Use. This change gives the Ranger ranger more active condition removal instead of relying on passive condition removal.
Remorseless – This has been redesigned, Your pet now consumes a condition on itself every 5 seconds, Causes your pet to have a 15% chance to cleave on critical hits, Your pet now applies 5 stacks of Vulnerability on its next attack each time it consumes a Condition.
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Minor Traits
Opening Strikes – Alpha Training has been combined with this trait.
Alpha Training – Your pets opening strike now grants 3 stacks of might to all who are 500 radius around him.
Precise Strike – This Trait has not changed

I did these over 2 months ago, I think 3 or 4, i think they used some of the changes, and some wouldn’t work anymore

Skirmishing

Major Traits
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—Adept Traits—
Pet Prowess – This Trait has not changed
Sharpened Edges – This trait has been increased to 2 seconds duration.
Trapper’s Defense – This Trait now also lays frost trap along with spiked trap
Primal Reflexes – This Trait has not changed
Companions Might – This Trait has not changed.
Agility Training – This Trait has not changed.
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—Master Traits—
Carnivorous Appetite – This trait has been combined with Compassion Training in Beastmastery line.
New Trait Added
Excessive Baggage – You now drop a random trap at your location when you dodge, This has a 15 second ICD.
Trapper’s Expertise – This has been combined with Trap Potency
Honed Axes – This Trait now grants the Ranger 5 seconds of might on axe critical hits, increases axe critical damage by 10%. This opens up Axe/Axe Builds to multiple specs.
Quickdraw – This Trait has not changed
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—Grandmaster Traits—
Moment of Clarity – This Trait has been redesigned, Currently this trait is ok only if you’re Asura and have access to Technobabble, Making a Grantmaster trait reliant so much on a racial ability is silly. Keeping with granting Rangers more Active Condition removal this trait now removes 2 Conditions from the Ranger when he Interrupts a target. Dazes and Stun Duration are increased by 50%. This makes weapon attacks such as the longbow knockback, path of scars, shortbow and great sword dazes as active condition removals for the Ranger.
New Trait Added
Flight Control – This Trait has replaced Trap Potency which was combined with Trapper’s Expertise, This Trait increases Shortbow/Axe Mainhand range to 1200.
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Minor Traits
Tail Wind – This trait has not changed
Furious Grip – This trait has not changed
Hunter’s tactic – This trait has not changed

Wilderness Survival

Major Traits
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—Adept Traits—
Soften the Fall – This trait has not changed
Healer’s Celerity – This trait now grants 5 seconds of stability along with swiftness on reviving a target
Shared Anguish – This trait has been redesigned, This now grants the pet Aegis for 10 seconds whenever it receives cripple/chill/immobilize. This has a 30 second ICD.
Vigorous Renewal – This trait has not changed.
Expertise Training – This trait has been changed, Now increases the pets condition damage by 30 each time it applies a condition for a maximum of 25 stacks, This Decays at 1 second very 2 seconds outside of combat, This resets on Pet Swap or Pet Death.
Wilderness Knowledge – This trait has not changed.
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—Master Traits—
Offhand Training – This trait has not changed
Oakheart Slave – This trait has not changed
Hide in Plain Sight – This trait now allows you to move while Camouflaged, 30 second ICD still in effect.
Martial Mastery – This trait has not changed.
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—Grandmaster Traits—
Empathetic Bond – This now transfer’s a condition to your pet whenever you evade an attack, This can only happen once every 2 seconds (So a bunch of people spamming attacks don’t instantly removal all conditions on you), This removes the Rangers more passive condition removal, and instead moves it towards a more active role. Things like Lightning Reflexes, Shortbow, Sword/Dagger become condition removal abilities.
Barkskin – This trait has not changed.
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Minor Traits
Natural Vigor – this trait has not changed
Companion’s Defense – this trait has not changed
Peak Strength – This has been changed to 80% health.

Nature Magic

Major Traits
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—Adept Traits—
Circle of Life – This trait has been redesigned, Causes a Healing Spring on the area of the death of the Ranger and the Ranger pet.
Concentration Training – This trait has not changed
Nature’s Bounty – This trait has not changed
Spiritual Knowledge – This trait has not changed
Strength of Spirit – This trait has not changed
Nature’s Protection – This trait has not changed
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—Master Traits—
Nature’s Vengeance – This Trait now also causes the pet to leave a combo field based on which spirit died, Stone Spirit leaves a Smoke Field, Frost Spirit Leaves an Ice Field, Sun Spirit Leaves a Fire Field, Storm Spirit Leaves a Lightning Field.
Evasive Purity – This trait has not changed.
Two handed Training – This Trait now also grants Might for 5 seconds on critical hit attacks for Greatsword/Spear
Enlargement – This Trait has been removed
New Trait Added
Reflective Personality – Whenever you Block or Reflect an attack, You Enrage your pet causing it to grow in size, and grant fury/might for 5 seconds to those around it in a 360 radius. This has a 1 Second ICD.
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—Grandmaster Traits—
Spirits Unbound – This trait has been redesigned, Spirits can now move freely, Whenever a spirit dies it removes 2 condition from allies in a 360 radius around it. This opens up Condition Removal for Spirits specs, and Makes Ranger spirits more useful for zerg fights when following the ranger. It also keeps with more Active Control.
Nature’s Voice – This trait has not changed.
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Minor Traits
Rejuvenation – This trait has not changed.
Fortifying Bond – This trait has not changed.
Bountiful Hunter – This Trait has been redesigned, you and your pet now do 2% extra damage for each boon you have.

Beastmastery

Major Traits
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—Adept Traits—
Speed Training – This Trait has been combined with Commanding Voice
New Trait Added
Pet Cemetery – Whenever your pet dies, The ghost of said pet will now follow the target who killed him for 15 seconds in an unwavering rage.
Master’s Bond – This trait has been redesigned, Now increases the pet attribute by 1 for every second the pet is active in combat for a max of 25 stacks, Decays at 1 stack every 2 seconds outside of combat. Resets on Pets Death, or Pet Swap.
Shout Mastery – This trait has not changed.
Compassion Training – This trait has been combined with Carnivorous Training from Skirmishing Line, Now grants the pet health whenever it critical hits, This is based off the pet healing stat
Commanding Voice – This trait was combined with Speed Training, It now reduces pet cooldowns by 20%
Mighty Swap – This trait now grants the Ranger 3 Might stacks on swap along with the pet.
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—Master Traits—
Rending Attacks – This Trait hasn’t been changed.
Stability Training – This trait has been removed.
New Trait Added
Psychedelic Truffle – The Enemies face now looks like a giant truffle to your Pig, The Pig Gains the ability to strip 2 boons from the target for 10 seconds on crit after using its (F2), 1 Boon goes to the Pet, the other goes to the Ranger.
Intimidation Training – This trait has been redesigned, Now causes the Spiders (F2) abilities to Cripple the Target, Now causes the Canines (F2) to cause 7 seconds of Weakness to all enemies hit by it. Bears (F2) ability now grants Aegis to all allies around it in a 360 radius for 5 seconds.
Vigorous Training – This trait has been redesigned Birds/Jellyfish Grant Vigor on Swap for 5 seconds, Moa’s (F2) Abilities are now Blast Finishers.
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—Grandmaster Traits—
Zephyr’s Speed – This trait has not changed
Natural Healing – This trait has been redesigned it now applies to all allies in a 360 radius around the Ranger and Ranger Pet, The Ranger and Ranger pet no longer have a passive regen from this ability. To get the Regen from this ability, they must be within radius of one another.
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Minor Traits
Instinctual Bond – This trait instantly summons the pet to you on death, causes the pets next attack to daze for 1 second, grants the pet 3 seconds of quickness.
Loud Whistle – This trait has not changed
Nature’s Wrath – This trait has not changed.

I posted this a while back

Figure i’ll post it here again

Bears

A. Brown Bears
Shake it Off – Cures 3 Conditions Now
Bite – Casts Regen on itself (No Change)
Slash – Applies 1 Vulnerability to the Target for 5 Seconds
Defy Pain – No Change

B. Black Bears
Enfeebling Roar – Strips 2 Boons from Targets in 600 Radius (20 Second Cooldown)
Bite – Steals 2 Boons from the Target (25 Second Cooldown)
Slash – Applies 1 Vulnerability Stack to the Target for 5 seconds
Defy Pain – Converts Conditions on itself into Random Boons (45 Second Cooldown)

C. Polar Bear
Icy Roar – Converted to Icy Charge, Now Bullrush’s the target leaving behind a Frost Field (Think Burning Speed from Elementalists, but Frost Instead), Chill Increased to 7 Seconds. (20 Second Cooldown)
Bite – Immobilizes the Target for 4 Seconds
Slash – Applies Cripple to the target for 3 Seconds.
Defy Pain – Changed to South Paw, Knocks the Target on the Ground for 3 Seconds. (30 Second Cooldown)

D. Arctodus
Rending Maul – Change to Protective Stance, Absorbs 15% of damage done to allies in the area for 8 seconds, 30 second Cooldown.
Bite – Changed to Intercept, Charges the Ranger and Takes the Next Hit intended for him.
Slash – Applies 1 Stack of Vulnerability to the target for 5 seconds.
Defy Pain – Changed to Bodyguard Splits damage between Ranger and the itself for 5 seconds – 30 Second Cooldown.

E. Murellow
Poison Cloud – Change to Sickly Aura – now transfers 2 conditions from itself to enemies in a 600 Yard Radius every 2 seconds for 10 Seconds. (25 Second Cooldown)
Bite – Now Applies Poison and Weakness for 10 seconds (25 Second Cooldown)
Slash – Applies 1 Stack of Bleed for 5 Seconds to the target
Defy Pain – Changed to Disease Prone – Converts Boons on itself into Conditions (25 Second Cooldown)

As you can see, I’ve Made Each Bear Unique and Have a specific thing they’re good at.

Brown Bears being the Standard Bear, Black Bear Being all about Boons, Polar Bear being all about CC, Arctodus be all about Protecting its master, and Murellow Being all about Spreading Conditions.

This was an idea i was working on pets, I only did bears

If i’m running my BM Bunker build, the only class right now that really scares me is a Necro.

Warriors use to be scary, but since the Skull Crack Nerf I can take them easier now.

Thieves usually aren’t that difficult, Though the fight is usually long as they just keep vanishing over and over till they make a mistake and my conditions eat them.

Engineer’s use to be scary, but After I started overloading with Spiders they’re not nearly as bad..probably nerfs also.

Mesmer’s have never been scary, They tend to go very heavy on the offense, and have good “Power Build” defense but don’t take Condition Removal often.. so I tend to just eat them alive.

As for being able to survive multiples, you can survive bad players in this game, It has nothing to do with Class…If you come across 2 equally skilled players in a 2v1, You will die..

This game is very heavily slanted towards having more people.

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Drop the Magi for Dire

or more Apothecary

Since you’re using Dwyana and 10 in Nature’s for the Regen Duration I’m not sure i’d recommend spiders, though I wouldn’t recommend Rending Attacks. If you watched out often your pets actually hit, You’d be better off with Mighty Swap and Vigorous Training.

however if you pickup Malicous Training and Intimidation Training, Spiders become scary.

Bloody Shadowplay Breaks on me, stupid Nvidia and their 1.8.1 version..

1.8.0 worked just fine, But can’t use it, have to bloody upgrade to 1.8.1 automatically with no choice….

Biggest load of crap i’ve seen a Card maker pull so far…Not even give the option of holding back on upgrading to a patch.

For the same reason People have called for nerfs to stealth since DAOC, Because Stealth is incredibly overpowered in pretty much every game.

The Stealthers itself have been becoming more and more silly as time has gone on as well.

You look at a DAOC stealther, Something that wasn’t a “Light Tank” but instead something that had to rely on landing a Backstab usually or swapping tons of weapons with poison to bring down a foe… to something like WoW, where now The Stealther is basically the Light Tank with a crap ton of utility thrown in.. and since the traditional role of a stealther in an RPG isn’t used in MMO’s (Disabling traps, opening locks ect ect) they’ve been pretty much pigeoned holed into basically being a Melee Range Heavy Nuker class.

Now with that said.. People dislike running into a class that can pop on them for massive amounts of damage that usually ends the fight.

GW2 takes this 10 steps further, by giving class all the toys that past MMO’s have tacked onto Stealthers, like Evades, Blinds, CC, and gives it the ability to go into stealth over and over again… People didn’t like fighting Stealthers when they could unload on them at the start of the fight, Being able to do it over and over again and when they get in trouble, simply vanish at the drop of the hat just makes people angry.

So yes, people will continue to complain, You’ll just have to accept that..

Ambrecombe.4398:

I was wondering, does this trait work with the Asura Technobable racial utility? It could potentialy become a 6sec daze with this trait. :P

See my Videos on my page, I was working on a new Technobabble Video till Shadowplay started being screwy.

But yes, it does work with TB, other fun things about TB, It can be used if you’re stunned.

Come on… we were all thinking it

Its ok now with the changes, as you can do some interesting things with it, But if you’re Asura it becomes silly, its a bloody 6 second Daze with TB now.

I’ve ran without EB before, I dislike doing that…..I also don’t like running without Speed Rune as well…

However Barkskin is amazing for a PvE trait.. that much is sure.

sign

For the last time, Empathetic Bond isn’t getting nerfed, If it actually worked the way it was described it would be a bug fix, However EB currently does exactly what they’re fixing, As in, if your pet dies, You don’t have any condition removal.

You’re not getting nerfed, That’s how it works already, Its always worked that way.

2 Possible Reasons, and it has little to due with Risen.

A. You’re using Signet of the Wild, This is an aggression magnet.

B. You have more toughness then your pet.

Black Scoutsman.5830:

Terravos.4059:

Ranger’s aren’t being nerfed.

Despite Anet talking about Empathetic Bond, it’s always worked that way…If you killed the pet you removed condition removal for Rangers.

If anything, BM Bunker Rangers will be even more powerful after the patch cause of the on Swap Sigil Changes.

yeah because all the other classes dont get those sigil changes too. I guess a buff for everyone can technically be considered a buff to rangers. Using that thought process the zerker nerf is gonna make longbow rangers even less viable, cus a nerf for everyone is a nerf for rangers too.

Pretty much every other contender class has gotten nerfed this patch

Necro/Warrior/Engineer are all the classes that give Ranger a run for its money 1v1. The BM Bunker Ranger isn’t eating a nerf in comparison.

Also just adding something like the extra swap on a BM Ranger could be incredibly nasty, Esp with things like Chill. Those things start to add up.

ronpierce.2760:

I adored Huttball…

Same

Best PvP map ever in an MMO

My Sig

All ya need to know about roaming without a Bow

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You can trade Sic’Em for whatever

Ranger’s aren’t being nerfed.

Despite Anet talking about Empathetic Bond, it’s always worked that way…If you killed the pet you removed condition removal for Rangers.

If anything, BM Bunker Rangers will be even more powerful after the patch cause of the on Swap Sigil Changes.

I’ve not completely decided on what setup i’ll run on the Technobabble and BM Bunker builds yet

Right now on TB build, I run Power Stack on the Greatsword and Sigil of Earth on Shortbow, I could pickup multiple useful setups. I don’t think i’ll get Sigil of Earth on the Greatsword, Most likely will get something else like Lightning or Flame, Depending on the cost I will probably get Sigil of Torment for my shortbow.. as that’s very nasty to have.

For BM Bunker, The Heal on Swap, hydromancy, battle are all really good choices… BM Bunker will be improved by these choices.

Yea, not sure what they’re thinking on that…Cause I know it works that way in PVE and WvW..

I’m not sure about SPvP though, could work differently.

I’m more interested in the On Swap abilities not now sharing ICD’s

That opens up some more things for Rangers, and the Dual Sigils on Two handers is nice for my Technobabble Build.

Means Shortbow can now have Torment.

Holland.9351:

If your pet is dead, this grandmaster trait will no longer remove conditions.

Umm, Its always worked this way, unlekittenanged recently in the patch that i don’t know about.

Its how a BM Bunker Ranger can kill a Shout Regen Ranger

dylan.5409:

@Terravos,
Fine, but evades(despite some qq) don’t last forever and auto attacking vs any melee is suicide thanks to stupid leap frames (and this in an auto attack heavy game). You really have to far outplay opponents on a ranger (spirit bunker may be stronger, at least in a group fight, but even that is tied more to the elite than to any inherent build strengths). You will get caught by one of a warriors, or god forbid an engineers endless amount of cc and watch your health plummet. I can sympathize op, I find bm builds to be particularly rage inducing. BM was pretty good before the dummfire patch/ warrior patch, but the build was nerfed while other proff’s saw huge buff’s. Now Its just watch the pet do 0 damage 50 +% of the time while still being susceptible to conditions bombs/cc, not fun.

A. The only time I use Auto Attack with BM Bunker is when I want to apply lots of cripple to the target that’s running, Otherwise there is no point in ever auto attacking.

B. The evade’s have an incredibly short cooldown, they do last forever..

C. The Pet does less damage now, But the Spiders aren’t there for their damage, They’re there to overload the person with Conditions, even Engineer’s have trouble with it, Warriors have trouble with it, The only class that you have to currently watch for is a Necro…a Necro can absolutely kill a Ranger Very easily, esp a BM Bunker one.

Clearly this person never played Huttball or Tor Anroc

You’ll find that a Spirit Ranger’s Pet will die substantially quicker then a BM Bunker Rangers Pet, you’ll also find that you can’t swap it fast enough before it dies either.

This is how a BM Bunker Kills those type of rangers, you kill their pet, and then they have no condition removal.

The only time I’ve died to a Warrior with 100b was when they had the long duration Skullcrack, now they don’t have enough damage to kill me.

And no defense against Immo? You have Sword/Chain evades…You can evade while immobilized

Against Healing Signet Warriors, Change your build up to my updated version Lord

10/0/30/0/30

Use Malicious Training, Wilderness Survival is still the same, for BM use Mighty Swap,Intimidation Training,Natural Healing

Use the Poison Spider, and the Weakness Spider.

You should have zero trouble with Healing Signet Warriors Then.

Cripple is not there to actually do anything to them other then Cover your other Conditions, and you apply enough poison to bring them down.

Cain.6507:

I never meet a ranger I couldn’t kill, until this past week. There have been a few rangers on SF that have completely embarrassed me. I was outplayed, out maneuvered, and out damaged. This was not only solo/small group fights but Zerg vs Zerg.

Some classes are easier to play and there for require less skill for similar results, but the classes with a higher skill ceiling are going to be the ones where a player become unstoppable.

Thief is a good example of this. Bad thieves can run away, good thieves can stay and fight, maybe pick off one or two, great thieves will wipe large groups running a two-shot build (meaning they can two-shot and will die in two shots as well). And, after a healthly helping of humble pie, ranger seems to be too.

I wouldn’t be making this argument in favor of ranger if I had not witnessed it first hand. Ranger seems to be one of those classes that when “mastered” has the potential to be “overpowered”! But I imagine the skill needed to do so is very rare, requires a very low ping, and a player who knows how to predict what the other player on x class will do.

Most ranger are just plain bad, just like most thieves. Easy to play does not mean easy to master. Rangers in general seem to be bad players and keyboard turners, who don’t have a second weapon equipped. I lost count of how many rangers I fought who didn’t equip a melee weapon. I can’t even guess the number of rangers who turned their back on my thief and ran away and did not use any utilities to try to escape or defend them selves, but ran blinding while I auto attack them down.

But I can say, a great ranger, now makes me think twice. My first encounter with a great ranger was a very eye opening experience. I died as fast or faster than it takes me to kill the full GC bad rangers I usually find everywhere in WvW.

I enjoyed the lesson in humility so much I went back again and again and again just to watch the “worse” class in game being masterfully played. I have yet to down that ranger on my Mesmer, Warrior, or Thief. And I have yet to see that Ranger downed by less than a 5v1 hit squad. And no, we are not bad players, quite the opposite, but this one ranger in particular, was just that much better. It could be the 30/30/30/30/30 unicorn build that no one has though of, but I would bet my gold stash the player was just that good.

The SF Ranger with the Guild Tag COSA, very well played. Come to these forums please and share your experience, build, and tactics. Especially with one of the poster here who is known as the thief communities biggest troll. Maybe then he could have the justice he is always demanding. Teach him to play, because you sure as hell know what your doing.

I enjoyed getting my kitten kicked so much by this guy i made a ranger my self. Pretty sure I can guess at the build/runes he was running. I can’t imagine I will reach that guys skill anytime soon, but I would love to be able to wipe a 4 or 5 man organized guild group who is using voice coms and builds/traits with synergy.

And I will repeat this one more time, just for the haters out there, yes, we got wiped by a Ranger, a few times, who was just that good. He was even skilled enough to make very good use of his pet, he did not fire and forget the kitten ed thing, all the while wrecking the crew I was running with.

I almost felt like a keyboard turning ranger with no melee weapon equipped running helplessly away from a thief… Yes, it was that bad. But I enjoyed it, and so did the group I was running with.

Most Ranger you see are GC Bearbow rangers, The ones you see without bows are the ones you should fear.

Warriors use Rabid on their Longbow/S and S Build.. P/D thieves, you don’t use Apothecary primarily, You can do Dire Setup, or you can do a Shamans (HP/Vit/Condition) with Apothecary Jewels on your Shamans, I actually ran that setup for the longest time and actually prefer it even today, Though I do have a Full Dire setup also mianly used for Venoms.

I run a Rabid Build on Necro, you have 20k HP which is usually enough, and sigil of earth + torment is silly.

A. Most of the Large Attacks from Power Based builds are telegraphed because they instantly kill you. Take my Backstab thief, I’m awful on him…He’s not telegraphed to easy. Anything past 1v1 I lose horribly…Even 1v1 fights i don’t do so great if you dodge my main attack because I have sustain. However I can 1 shot pretty much every single build in the game in a split second unless they’re full bunker, and if a bunker is below 80% life, it means instant death..This means if I come across a bunker fighting someone else, I can instantly pop on them and kill them. That is why those moves are highly telegraphed… Because they do absurd damage.

B. Most Power Based Warriors even zerker use Healing Signet, Most people don’t go Apothecary anymore..It primary is Healing Power, and unless you have a lot of regen based abilities, its not as good as Dire.

C. Healing Power Based Builds require you to have proper regen based setups, For example.. I keep enough healing power in my build to give me 900 HP per second on Trolls. Even then you still won’t see Healing Power used in Builds a lot anymore compared to Dire. Mainly because of Conditions which is hilarious part of it… Go Try a healing power based build of apothecary and fight a Condition Necro and come back and tell me how well you do. There is a reason I opted for 5k more health from picking up more dire pieces.

oZii.2864:

To be fair I don’t feel this picture is accurate.

Almost all power builds good ones anyway skimp on power or precision because they make it up with might stacks or fury almost every power build does this. Just to keep it a honest discussion here.

Condi bunkers like Xsorus said are good in 1v1’s almost all of them can be ignored and walked away from with Necro’s probably being the the only real threat. If we are talking about apothecary a Necro can pull it off with points in BM but you can definitely walk away from a apothecary Necro.

Dire Necro’s are only really tanky if they go deep in DM I run 20 DM on my necro and it still is pretty squishy since there isn’t really much sustain to stay topped off and there are no blocks.

Well of course there is sacrifice in power based bunker builds, just like there is in Condition Based Bunker Builds.

Apothecary Gear is Healing Power Primary stat, meaning it has lower condition damage then Rabid Gear

Precision is actually used in Condition Based Builds… By going Apothecary and/or Dire, I cannot use Sigil of Earth and Sigil of Torment, These are very high damage sigils with precision. I can’t use the bleed trait in Skirmishing either because I don’t crit often.

So Bunkers do give up potential Condition Damage.

A. Dodging/Aegis affect Conditions just the same as Berserker Builds. You dodge the main Berserker build attack, you don’t take 5k damage, you dodge the main condition attack, you don’t take 3k damage. Protection works against Power Based Builds more though, but since they do so much damage its needed just for them. Condition Removal is kind of the Protection for Conditions, It counters so much damage its silly.

B. Healing Power is only useful if you stack enough regen based abilities, and even then good power based builds with toughness are able to bunker decently enough to make them a threat, For example..The Warriors primarily do Power Based Builds with high toughness/crit damage ect ect that don’t use healing power… Mesmer’s can do it also. one of the main Bunkers for Necro, Minion Master, also uses a power based build with No healing power. Rangers were really the only ones for the longest time that bothered with Apothecary Gear, even now though We’ve dropped apothecary some what more for Dire.

C. Defensive Healing Based characters with some damage have always been powerful in every game when it comes to 1v1. Look at DAOC, some of the most Powerful 1v1 Classes were Valkyries/Reavers/Vampiirs/Valewalkers because they had really good defense and could outlast people quite easily. This will not change..Bunker Builds will always be good at this….There are a few times when you can instantly burst them down…but most of the time, they’re built to outlast and will be good for 1v1.

a t s e.9614:

This is not a joke , it is the sad truth of pvp . AI based builds destroy pvp . I want to Q up for some player versus player matches but I end up fighting mobs instead. Not only its not fun but it is also incredibly overpowered.

Really, AI based builds destroy PvP?

So Animist/Bonedancers/Spiritmasters/Cabalist/Therugist/Enchanter/Minstrel/Sorceror destroyed DAOC’s PvP?

Do you know what people did in that game instead of whining about dying to pets? They killed the pets…

Well there was a time when they did whine… and that was on Animist, Since they could summon 50 Pets in one spot…yes 50….. and you’re whining about 5 or 6..

Everytime I see someone whining about pets in this game I can’t help but laugh… You guys would slit your wrist the first time you came across a Theurgist in DAOC.

A. Condition Bunker Builds don’t do nearly the same damage as Berserker Builds.

B. You’re able to Build Power Based Builds quite easily with good crit/toughness/power ect ect, It requires gear mixing and matching.

C. Those Power Based Builds are effective in multiple area’s of the game, While the Condition Bunkers are really only good at 1v1

Always cracked me up that Kalorian and Me ended up playing similar classes in GW2 again

He had a high rank Reaver in DAOC, and I had a High Rank Valkyrie in DAOC.

When i played my thief a lot, this trait killed me more then any other trait in the game.

They’re good solo in wvw, that’s about it.

for Zerging, most classes are better….Having access to basically 1 AOE if you’re Ranged on a fairly long cooldown or a short ranged Cleave attack if you’re greatsword doesn’t cut it..Mainly because that line also doesn’t have any AOE CC or anything really to go with it.

there is a reason people use Guardians/Warriors/Ele’s/Necro’s for zerging.

…No one uses Torch..

lol

Where are condition builds currently used…

Solo and in SPvP..

You don’t see them used in PVE, and you don’t see them used in Large Scale PvP

complaining you lost to a Bunker type build in 1v1 because you didn’t want to counter Condition Duration with anti Condition duration food is silly.. Those people are countering your power by investing as much into defense as possible.

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Terravos.4059:

Are we talking about a BM Bunker build, or we talking about letting your pet do damage?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ngzqppOb6A

This is a video I did when it worked really well, Problem is they nerfed the main source of damage a while back, which was Maul on Cats.

You also can’t send pets into keeps anymore which makes me sad :o(

Hey, why did you change account name? if you dont mind me asking :O

They banned that forum account for hurting to many people’s feelings on the server matchups threads…well actually is more like getting infractions over the course of a year..I forget how many I had, I think 42 over a year or something…and some of the infractions were for stuff like saying pee…. or other silly crap like that.

The food is canceled out by another food entirely.

not sure what the complaint is?

Trapper Rangers can be very dangerous

My suggestion would be to kill their pet.

Beastmaster’s Might always confuses me, I run Signet Build on my thief for huge hits for the lawls every now and again.

Their Traits are much shorter cooldowns, making it far more viable.. and their actives work far better then it….Why would anyone waste all your passives/actives when ya don’t need to for 9 stacks of might i’ll never get…

Those are good options as well Durzlla, Skirmishing Line does need some better options for Power Users.

I mean its a Crit Based line, but it has 4 “trapper” based traits, 4 Pet Based traits, an Axe Trait that makes no sense (since Axe Main hand is a condition weapon, not a crit damage weapon) and 1 actual power based option, Quick Draw, I’d say Moment of Clarity but that’s more of a defensive option