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Do people still believe that Condition Damage is over the top?

Its like none of the complainers can figure out the distinction between Condition Damage and Condition Coverage.

A Bleed that does 10k damage isn’t powerful, a Bleed that does10k damage stacked with 3 other conditions even if they do no damage is powerful.

its simple, you get better rewards zerging in EoTM then regular WvW, therefor that’s where the zergs have moved.

EoTM still rewards the mindless zerg fest that is GW2.

Its like most of the GW2 developers who played DAOC, played only Albion and sat at the milegate the whole time.

Ehh, While Axe 1 is blah in my opinion for all builds..

Axe 2 and 3 are good…2 is a 5 stack of bleed that is 5 separate hits, So if you’re any sort of crit type build you can apply a stupid amount of bleeds by landing it.

3 Is incredibly Good, while the Chill isn’t super great…a 10 second Weakness is incredibly useful.

Ehh, Since when is BM Bunker nerfed into the ground.

It was nerfed this is true, But if you’re thinking BM Bunker isn’t able to kill people very easily you’ve not been watching my updated Guides.

Spirit Ranger also cracks me up, Because I play a Venom Aura Thief, and that build is 100x more powerful in a solo and group setting then Spirit Ranger.

Taku.6352:

KyreneZA.8617:

Prysin.8542:

7k LB shot to the face, gotta love to see them run.

Pics/’tube vid or it never happened.

This was before ascended weapons and armors.

This is me playing my Thief with a glass cannon build.

Note, I’m not even fully tweaked out with it.

Lorelei.3918:

On the issue of Ranger vs Necro 1v1

Most roaming necros run condi. Condi range is 900 for the most part. Condi build doesn’t run a immob other then DS 5 at 600 range. Ranger passive cleansing clears anything the staff puts out. Necro has no reliable gap closers and no escapes.

So kite at 1200, pew pew, collect bag.

Against power necro, if you can maintain range you can win but they have way more movement impairments (cripple on axe/wh, immob on dagger, chill on focus plus DS stuff.) plus very strong dps so if they get close you are done.

I know this because I have logged 800 hours as a ranger, then 1300 as a necro.

Its only BM Bunker I have trouble with them on, which i’m fine with that, Cause otherwise there would be no class giving me trouble on my ranger 1v1..

When I run TB build, I actually don’t have trouble with Necro’s that much… I have enough CC to lock them down and kill them..but yea BM bunker is weak to them right now

I should stress condition necro, i eat Power Necros pretty badly.

Fenrir.6183:

Terravos.4059:

You can run around with Ranger in a Zerg Fight, I do it on my ranger all the time, Running Signets and what not…However just because the Ranger can do it, doesn’t mean he’s actually good at doing it… There is a reason GvG zerg balls are nothing but Guardians/Warriors/Necro’s and such..

Also people keep bringing up Healing spring, let me be clear, Healing Spring is great and I bloody mean Great for SPvP, but everytime someone mentions it for zerging or gvg, I question if they done it recently, The one thing all Zergs/Guild Groups have in common is forming in a ball and moving, Healing Spring will not be used most of the time because of this. Its great in SPvP because you’re fighting on a point, but when Zerg Balling its not that amazing….

I get it that you’ve never heard of blast finishers ? A healing spring can heal back to full hp a full zerg with them.

I get that you ignored the whole Moving part.

By the time you drop a Healing Spring, the entire zerg will have moved out of it.

Don’t matter how much they change the map, This game rewards zerging to much.

There is zero disadvantage to doing it, You’re not slower then smaller groups, you take less damage, you do more damage… nothing… Zero reason to not zerg your enemy.

Oh trust me, there is a lot of people who stunbreak my bursts.

As for venomshare, I don’t see it often, the only times I do see it is when I kill a thief or two with it… then I kid you not, they’ll show back up running the same build.

Lot of thieves downplay how incredibly lame venomaura is to fight.

Ranger’s aren’t bad at roaming, I can safely say the only class that really gives me trouble is a Necro, but other then that, I win 9/10 of the fights I do on the Ranger.

Someone mentioned earlier that they got wrecked by the Nerfs they received, and this is true…BM Bunker is weak compared to where it was at many month’s ago..But instead of relying on my pet to do a large amount of damage, Switching to Spiders has just pushed me more into relying on Conditions to do damage.

But for everything else the class is subpar in World vs World.

yea, I’ve tried playing without it, but god… how can anyone not love a 1500 range teleport.

You can run around with Ranger in a Zerg Fight, I do it on my ranger all the time, Running Signets and what not…However just because the Ranger can do it, doesn’t mean he’s actually good at doing it… There is a reason GvG zerg balls are nothing but Guardians/Warriors/Necro’s and such..

Also people keep bringing up Healing spring, let me be clear, Healing Spring is great and I bloody mean Great for SPvP, but everytime someone mentions it for zerging or gvg, I question if they done it recently, The one thing all Zergs/Guild Groups have in common is forming in a ball and moving, Healing Spring will not be used most of the time because of this. Its great in SPvP because you’re fighting on a point, but when Zerg Balling its not that amazing….

My Ranger Friends, listen…. It takes all but one time playing a Venom Aura Thief to realize how woefully pathetic we are in zerg fights.

WvW guilds will not bring a Ranger because frankly every other class does it better, We are great roamers this is true, But don’t pretend for a second we bring something remotely useful past 5 people….

I wanted to give it a day or so to see if any spots develop for soloing, but just like EBG, bloody EOTM is awful for solo roaming..

Was kind of hoping it’d rekindle my desire in this game, but looking like ESO is where i’m going next.

hehe, That build is pretty awful in terms of surviving, Like I pretty much have to one shot someone otherwise I die soon afterwards cause I don’t have squat for escapes.

But its bloody hilarious every time i do it.

But i probably die more then I kill to be honest.

Right now i’m working on a VenomAura video, despite my best judgement, as I would rather not have a bunch of thieves start running that build

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQRAoY8KmI2e4zeKUvClV7BNbJMB-w

Armor I use is a combination of Berserkers and Valkyries

I want to use 3 signets, but i’m cheap and don’t wanna buy Traveler Runes yet for my thief.

Northwind I think is whats its called

Newgrounds music section.

Combine the Trap Traits, add a daze to Frost Trap

Playing my Thief with the Signet GC build..

haviz.1340:

Terravos.4059:

I see one average player fighting 2 uplvls, a fresh 80 thief, and a subpar 80 thief who actually has some food.

Congrats

Do you have any clips showing decent fights in wvw? Something that doesn’t involve condition bunkers.

Considering I’m a Ranger, only TB build

There is nothing wrong with the Traps Traits and their placement, They’re in a good line for Trap Builds.

The Problem with Traps is they’re subpar in the first place.

Allie Murdock.8152:

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to pop in and say that the changes listed are not all of the changes coming. Unfortunately, we can’t share everything we’re changing due to the nature of some of the changes.

In the meantime, we’ve been loving all the great constructive feedback you have, so keep it up!

:)

Oh trust me, us Rangers know… we know..

NoTrigger.8396:

Danikat.8537:

Most of them just don’t like the idea that other players can kill them. Yes things attack and kill you in PvE too but they’re usually a lot easier to beat and not as persistent.

timidobserver.7925:

g e o.2589:

Why do pve players whine about LW in EoTM – fist of all there are now queues so you can get in anytime you want – no more “I can’t adjust it to my playtime” arguments. There are no server specifications so even low-pop servers gain same amount of people as T1 servers do. You are not restricted to playing alone. The only difference is that there are more hostile creatures – be it Legendary Bosses or players.

The two things that make PVE players complain about PVE:

1. PVE players basically have a sort of combination of fear, anxiety, and anger at competition and the idea of other players being able to kill them.

2. In GW2, the mechanics of NPCs are extremely easy to predict and avoid. This makes it hard for PVE players to go into PvP where they are just taking advantage of some poorly designed NPC that simply requires them to dodge at the right moment every few seconds.

this is what happens when good PvE players go into wvw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCaEGzBkEuo

seriously, scripted AI is better than 99% of the wvw and pvp players.

I see one average player fighting 2 uplvls, a fresh 80 thief, and a subpar 80 thief who actually has some food.

Congrats

i only found use with it when it worked well with Barrage, after that nerf it lost whatever usefulness it had

I hate to be a stick in the mud, But you’re never going to balance the servers to be even like this…Having a Ranking system in a gameplay mode with uneven numbers is always going to lead to higher population servers generally being higher rank..Esp in games where Numbers are often given the largest advantage with little cons to having them.

Someone did state though what will probably happen in the future, I posted it 3 month’s ago… They’re gearing up to combine servers into “teams” for matchups to try and solve some of the issues you guys are talking about, This is why Edge of the Mists had to be made…Not the whole China Excuse.

They’re going to Merge the servers for WvW purposes, Why this isn’t evident to everyone i don’t know.

This is actually fairly true

I’ve actually come along 2v1’s where my side is fighting 1 dude, I’m not interfering at all, Just watching.. and the 1 guy will run over and start trying to kill me, and I won’t even attack him…I’ll just evade ect ect… and he’ll keep going for me till he dies.

it blows my mind..

Warhammer Online Squig pets (and I believe White Lion pets) did the same thing for a very long time, Eventually they made it so the pet pretty much stayed completely by the Squig and White Lion the whole time very rarely leaving his side unless commanded to.

Again, I’ve explained this quite clearly, Condition Duration Food isn’t whats powerful in 1v1 fights.

I could run no food and kill you every single time even if you had 100% condition duration but only 2 or 3 Conditions that you could apply.

Condition Overflow is what makes Condition Classes scary in small man fights.

Take Ranger’s BM Bunker, Before they nerfed the pets a while back, Pretty much every single BM Bunker went Cats or in some cases Dogs.. No one picks up intimidation training at all.. After they nerfed the cats a lot of Rangers lost a large amount of damage because of this.

I ended up changing the build over to 10/0/30/0/30 spec and using Spiders with intimidation training? Why? I already have a crap ton of cripple… vulner is pretty awful in general….Why would that spec increase my damage so much? Because I was adding 2 more conditions that just covered my damaging ones up, Cripple/Vulnerability… it doesn’t matter if they do no damage, They keep the damaging ones from being removed. So My ranger starts eating people alive again (Immobilize also plays a part)

Now look at Necros, They weren’t scary up until last year when they gave them Burning and Torment…Those conditions cover their other conditions, and make them incredibly hard to deal with..Signet of Spite, again.. its a low damage signet, It however applies a crap ton of conditions.

Its not Condition Duration that’s causing the trouble..Its the amount of Conditions you can apply on some classes at once that is.

Armageddon mentions Engineer cause of Confusion/Poison/Perma Burning, I’d much rather fight a engineer (which I usually beat in a 1v1 fight on my ranger) any day of the week vs a Necromancer…simply because the Engineer while having more potential damaging conditions doesn’t put out as many conditions as a Necromancer does.

There are 3 classes currently that ensures most of the other classes don’t go Glass usually

Thieves/Warriors/Mesmer’s, all 3 can instantly kill another Glass Based Character

Thieves are probably the worst offender though of the 3, Mesmer is pretty lame, and Warrior is really nasty but you can usually see it coming.

Thieves and the ability to instant teleport/stun/c and d followed by a Backstab/Heart Seeker in under 2 seconds means there is little you can do if you’re one of those builds.

Now usually in games you could pop some cooldowns and be good to fight the “Stealther” however in this game the thief is pretty much allowed to instantly reset the fight and repeat the same thing again over and over till he wins.

This is a product of MMO’s removing the utility from the stealthers classes in past mmo’s to make up for nothing things like them removing traps/opening chests ect ect and just making them straight up high damage dealers.

haviz.1340:

kyubi.3620:

BLeh you just hate anything that actualy get trought a AI. Minion masters and ranger did nothing to you in pve why hate them so much? I think MM should hold a place of choice in a dungeon party.

Its prety much the world reversed
GW1 MM:
PVE: (We absolutely need one else we gunna get eaten by the mobs!)
PVP: (ahahaha look at the noob he got no corpse so he cant raise any minion then he try spamming echo aura of the lich!)

GW 2 MM:
PVE: (god that guy deals no damage and only cure cond while buffing regen kick it)
PVP: (OMG we are getting swarmed by minion heeeeelp meeeeeeeeee ‘’strangled voice with sound of massacre in background’’)

Pet is a build in its own right and deserve an actual niche in the game. Why a build would be destroyed so that yours can trive on the benefits of its death? Im sure Anet aim to make pet build as viable as other builds. They just have trouble doing it right.

Pet builds deserved to be used only by AI. AI controlled by AI, nothing else. Anet should murder those builds and never again make them viable. Game would become better, especially in pvp.

What did you do against pet builds in Rift,Warhammer Online, DAOC, EQ, WoW, UO, ect ect?

kyubi.3620:

Terravos.4059:

Every time I see a ranger ask for pets scaling off our stats, I cry a little inside..Its like they don’t know they’re asking for basically a huge nerf to themselves.

lol a nerf? theres no reason to nerf the ranger if the pet damage is improved. to assume theil nerf ranger to buff the pet is outright absurd. Pet needs scaling and ranger needs a buff its a win win if you get both!

Terravos what you looking to play is called ’’warrior’’ :P

Dream on… pet will never be removed from ranger side

I’m honestly not even sure what you said in your post, as its complete dribble.

Scaling Ranger Pets off our stats would be silly..

Allow me to explain, Lets say you go full Berserker Gear, Now all your former tank pets are now squishy, all your former dps pets are now squishier… So you basically have a bunch of glassy pets that die instantly.

Lets say you go BM Bunker and have Condition Damage, Welp that just gets rid of Dogs for condition builds, as they have no viable condition damage, Cats lose a large portion of their direct damage to apply more bleeds that we already stack incredibly high so its not going to help that much. So pretty much every pet besides the ones that had maybe a bleed stack or two is now nerfed for Condition Builds.

now lets say you just want Rangers to get a DPS increase on their pets to make up for Ascended…

If the Ranger is Condition Based, They’re getting the same DPS boost as every other Condition Based Class, so they don’t need a DPS boost on their Pet

If they’re Power Based, While some portion of their damage is made up by having a pet in the first place, Power Based Rangers still get some benefit for taking ascended, So we’re talking maybe a 5% damage increase for a pet based off stats would be needed at most to bring them up on par. Not worth the trouble of completely breaking pets all together by making them scale off Ranger Stats

Account Wide WXP will not be in the next patch

Every time I see a ranger ask for pets scaling off our stats, I cry a little inside..Its like they don’t know they’re asking for basically a huge nerf to themselves.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Terravos.4059:

I’ve been hit for 10k backstabs, and 11k Eviscerates with 2000 Toughness…

Its really not that rare… and its why I run Bunker Build, cause if i’m getting hit for that much with 2000 toughness, imagine if I had less

You might want to check your armor set. I run 2K toughness as a thief and a backstab only hits me for 4K.

I don’t need to check my armor, I know what it is and I know what i’ve been hit for.

I also know what my Thief hits for, and I could pop you with 4k backstab with PVT armor even with 2k toughness

I’ve been hit for 10k backstabs, and 11k Eviscerates with 2000 Toughness…

Its really not that rare… and its why I run Bunker Build, cause if i’m getting hit for that much with 2000 toughness, imagine if I had less

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Speculation-Merging-WvW-Servers-soon

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They’ve been talking about how they’re planning to release in China, and that’s why they need the new WvW map for overflow, That’s BS.

They’re going to merge some of the WvW servers together (By that, I mean the actual WvW portion of the game, not the servers)

So for example, Stormbluff Isle and NSP might be on the same team….Before they couldn’t do something like that this because people would be poed they got put in a Queue.

Now they’ll be able to do just throw them in the Overflow Map."

heh

As someone who solo’s a lot, I can probably count on my hand the number of times I’ve gotten up from downing someone while i’ve been downed and end up winning. I cannot count the number of times I’ve flat out lost because while i’ve managed to down someone, The opposing side had stealth or teleports that allowed them to get rezzed easily.

As a Ranger I basically only have access to Stability on a 120 second Elite.. so that’s my only real way to stomp someone.. So the down system probably has an effect on me more then anyone else..But its bloody annoying in the end. Rezzing in DAOC was incredibly powerful….But in that game you had not only a fairly long cast time that you could easily interrupt, you also had a huge penalty for being rezzed in combat in the first place…If I down someone in WvW, and they get rezzed…Sometimes they’re better of then they were before.

That’s just the solo side of the issue, think about the Zerg vs Zerg side of it.

For example, a Huge force hits a tower you’re guarding, and you kill a ton with Arrowcarts.. Do you know how many times I’ve seen people get rezzed while i was arrowcarting their body? at a Certain Point groups rez so fast that you simply cannot down anymore…

Its just a bad system.

Lesbian romance got you down?

Know what we need more of?

MiLkZz.4789:

You don’t look at the total picture, it is the warriors ONLY way of sustain. All other classes have different skills that heal them aswel. Warriors only have that by heavily investing in a line sacrificing a lot of damage.

Now, you only need 26% poison uptime to make healing signet heal LESS than healing surge. And any good player will clean off poison and use stability or take a moment in which they can’t be interrupted to pop their heal.

Drop healing signet to 350HPS and NOBODY in his right mind would take it. Because, face it, burst heals are better than regen. Because the healing signet is immensely vulnerable to burst, if a healing signet warrior gets focused, he’ll melt. Yes, he’ll melt. Endure pain will only safe his kitten for 4s longer.

They were not going to higher the healing from the active, but make it more appealing to use it in a fight.

Drop it by 20-30% and everyone will go healing surge for roaming and defiant stance for zerging. And people using healing signet will be called nub again. Take it from an experienced warrior player. There is nothing wrong with healing signet.

ps.: HS loses healing potential aswel when you are full health and not getting damage (dodging, blocking, etc) but still fighting.

You mean like how a Ranger has to invest a utility slot + heal slot to get equal to Healing Signet, and how a Ranger has to invest 30 points in Beastmaster to get a Heal that’s weaker then 15 points in the defense line

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Ision.3207:

Rock solid post. Bravo +1

And it’s laughable how comparisons are being made between +40% condition duration and the, “imagine +40% crit chance or damage” …. wow, talk about comparing apples to oranges!

It’s a ludicrous comparison that requires a person to drop all the context of the difference between damage types, and their actual form of application and resulting damage over time. The +/- food is fine, and far-far from overpowered.

Silly me, the fact that pretty much all roamers run condition builds shows nothing wrong with them what so ever, personally i think all these sort of Food should be removed from WvW they should be left to PvE andf thats it. Other types of food that give X stat and and such are fine its the 10% Crit Damage and 40% Condition duration ones that are the problem

Conditions ARE the dominant build in WvW for anything other than Zergings and in that situation any build will do – its the numbers that win in the end anyway.

Look at the classes that can EASILY burst conditions onto people with a few button presses. Classes like Thief, Engineer, Mesmer, Necromancer have far to much access to conditions and far to much defense. Conditions DO need work, only those that run condition builds will say otherwise.

I mean condition builds would be fine, IF they weren’t so quick to kill people. They should be SLOWER to kill things rather than easily burst them dead without being able to do anything about it.

Condition Builds aren’t the dominate build in everything but Zerging…Bunker Builds are.

That’s what people aren’t getting, If you’re running solo..Unless you’re 3 very specific classes (Warrior/Mesmer/Thief) you cannot go Berserker and expect to win a lot of fights. If you go PVT you will not kill those 3 classes either, Because they’re way better at Zerker builds, and 2 of them can be very nasty with PVT builds (Mesmer/Warrior) So that leaves pretty much Bunker builds with Conditions.

By going these condition builds, You’re pretty much useless at zerging, Yes you can get bags by spamming AOE conditions, But you’re not actually doing anything in a fight. This is why most GvG trains are PVT hammer trains… and not condition trains.

So yes, heavily defensive builds that rely on attrition are very nasty in 1v1, They’re generally that way in every game.

But don’t pretend its cause Conditions..You see those Condition Bunker builds in the first place because of those main 3 classes, Esp thieves…Thieves are the primary reason you see Bunker builds solo in the first place. You think when I created BM Bunker I did so because I wanted to kill slowly? No..I did it because a Thief could instant kill me if I was anything but full Bunker.

Now is 40% condition duration overpowered? Not really…What’s overpowered is Condition Overflow…What I mean by that is to many conditions at once.

Take my TB Build, Its actually weak, even though I can put out a fairly good damage and cc, I lack enough conditions to cover my damaging ones. Simpy adding an extra condition or two even if they do no damage substantially ups the damage of the build. Look at Signet of Spite on a Necro….Damage wise, its terrible, Its 2 stacks of Bleed and Poison which will usually always be on the target anyway…What makes it bloody scary is the fact its 6 bloody conditions all at once…

But anyway..It’s pointless…Any change to condition duration food will result in the condition reduction food being nerfed as well, so the only people who really wouldn’t benefit from the change is people who don’t want to run anti condition food because it messes with them seeing big numbers with their Crit Damage builds + Power food

So you think because they drop 10% off crit damage, that magically Condition Players will be able to run non tanky builds?

you realize that I can hit people who are in full tank with my thief for 10k backstab right? My thief isn’t even completely pushing its limits, if I was to go all out on damage it’d be just silly. The 10% crit damage change will change nothing in terms of WvW roaming. You either go bunker, Or you’ll die to every thief/mesmer/warrior out there.

So… if I’m reading this right, You’re not wanting Condition Food in the game because it forces you to possibly use Anti Condition food?

kind of like how Condition Players are forced to go heavily defensive builds so they don’t die instantly to power build?

Cormaq.1742:

Jaysin X.6740:

Thank you for posting this. I made a similar build(don’t have all the trinkets yet) last night after seeing this. I just did some roaming and my god it’s soooo much fun. I felt invincible, warriors were running, thieves were dying, 1v2, 1v3 no problem, didn’t always kill em but after I downed or spiked one or two they would just scatter. My Ranger buddy and I are going do some roaming later with this build, and I can’t wait.

Great to hear Jaysin, I hope you enjoy it as much as I do – 2 of the build can be fun, but u can hit the condi cap very easily, my friend has an alt with this build too, and when he’s with me roaming we just focus on seperate targets, the persistent conditions from 1 player is usually enough to counter most condi removal, except from maybe a stacked ele or multiple guards. Happy Hunting!

Terravos.4059:

You could also consider the Snow Leopard as well, the chill on that thing is silly.

Intimidation Training for the Wolves has always been mediocre, that’s more of a Spider Trait….7 seconds of cripple isn’t super great with a long cooldown fear for example.

However the Poison Spider hits 3 times with his f2, meaning its a 21 second Cripple, which makes it a fairly good trait for spiders

Vigorous Training is probably a much better pick for you, though i still prefer Natural Healing.

Aye, im using Vigorous now after testing Intimidation Training, works much better for wolf. Natural healing is a bit much for me i find, as im pet swapping a lot as it is, pet health doesnt drop too much.

Yea, I forgot you’re heavily using Regen, so its probably not a huge benefit for ya, Vigorous training would be better option then.

Cormaq.1742:

How do you change it back to the old method mate?, I much prefer the old method of viewing the condi ticks to the current version.

Go in game

Go under Options

Right Above Camera in the User Interface Section

Show Simple Condition Floaters

Cufufalating.8479:

I gotta tell you, thats not a lot to go off when you get 5777 results search for “Hope”, but I found it.

Edit: Actually I didnt, I foudn the 3rd song. W/E I give up

Defy the Faith is the name of it.

Their is a list of some of the songs at the end

Its called Hope i think, I just use songs from Newgrounds.

Warrior, now i know what you’re thinking…Why would I suggest Warrior when I play my Ranger so much.

A. Ranger is able to kill Warriors in a 1v1, But that’s the only part of the game where a Ranger outshines a Warrior.

B. Warrior is pretty much better at everything else, Zerging, PVE, GvG, I mean..Its the best class period for all modes of Gameplay in this game..It has zero negatives…Zero..even 1v1 It can come out on top on most of the classes.

Warrior is the perfect example of a class that was given to much to fast to fix a minor issue it had (bad condition removal, they decided to go overboard with that, while giving them massive sustain)

Cormaq.1742:

My Lynx seems to hit pretty effectively most of the time, Signet seems to help with that, he also hits pretty hard also so gonna keep that lynx for the mean time. The wolf is a no brainer really, the aoe fear is too good to pass up, I did swap out Intimidation Training though, the cripple doesnt seem to apply consistently with the AOE fear on wolf anyway. Using Vigorous Training instead.

:)

You could also consider the Snow Leopard as well, the chill on that thing is silly.

Intimidation Training for the Wolves has always been mediocre, that’s more of a Spider Trait….7 seconds of cripple isn’t super great with a long cooldown fear for example.

However the Poison Spider hits 3 times with his f2, meaning its a 21 second Cripple, which makes it a fairly good trait for spiders

Vigorous Training is probably a much better pick for you, though i still prefer Natural Healing.

Actually Cufu, in the clips you see the bleed ticks changed to the old method, that’s actually the newer videos, I changed it back cause I liked it better then the new method.

Not completely sure how they round the CC, or if they even do it at all.