Guild Wars 2

Are we talking about a BM Bunker build, or we talking about letting your pet do damage?

This is a video I did when it worked really well, Problem is they nerfed the main source of damage a while back, which was Maul on Cats.

You also can’t send pets into keeps anymore which makes me sad :o(

Against a lot of classes, Its better to not even bother stomping, like a thief for example, you might as well just damage them to death, will take about as much time as it does to stomp them.

The Down system has always been god awful, just encourages zerging and terrible gameplay.

Currently one of the problems with Skirmishing Tree is it has a bunch of traits designed around doing either pets or traps, and very few designed around actual Power Based Rangers.

What if Agility Training and Pet Prowess worked on the Ranger as well, I realize that agility training might need a slight nerf, as well as Pet Prowess (thinking 25% for both of them) but those would make them very good for Power Based Rangers.

Atherakhia.4086:

Terravos.4059:

Atherakhia.4086:

Make condis require 3 stats like power does and the world is a perfect place. This way both builds sacrifice their offensive capability in favor of more defense.

So the question is how do you do this? Simple… you cut condition damage by a ton (66% for example) and then allow conditions to crit.

So you think that Condition Builds which are based around damage over time attacks should require 3 stats like power damage, which does all their damage upfront.

Do you not see the problem with that logic?

Damage Over Time builds need Time to do damage, hence why they’re allowed to build tanky to allow them to do that damage.

Your suggestion would pretty much kill Condition damage builds while pushing the game back towards the silly power builds we have now just like in PVE.

If it hadn’t been done in other games I’d agree with you, but we can look at WoW and see a multistat approach to conditions works wonders. The solution to the whole ‘my dots take time to kill’ is you give the classes other perks. Deathshroud for example gives the class double the health of its competition. Rangers obviously don’t, but they could be given stronger kiting tools. Warriors have Endure Pain. Engineers have similar mechanics and strong kiting. etc etc etc.

It can be done.

It can be done in WoW, This game is not WoW though.

Also how did DoT based builds in WoW work? Through things like CCing and just general bunker play in that game. When I played my Warlock or my Feral Druid for example, when I applied DoTs and Bleeds, I could go into very tank modes in that game very easily.

That doesn’t work in this game though, Because in this game, If you’re anything less then full on Bunker, you will get dropped in seconds from a high power build. This is why you see condition Bunker’s in small man fights like SPvP, because it allows you to survive the burst of these attacks, However you don’t see Condition Bunker’s being used really in Large Scale PvP, go try a Condition necro and aoe a guild train with your conditions, Watch as they’re instantly removed.

Atherakhia.4086:

Make condis require 3 stats like power does and the world is a perfect place. This way both builds sacrifice their offensive capability in favor of more defense.

So the question is how do you do this? Simple… you cut condition damage by a ton (66% for example) and then allow conditions to crit.

So you think that Condition Builds which are based around damage over time attacks should require 3 stats like power damage, which does all their damage upfront.

Do you not see the problem with that logic?

Damage Over Time builds need Time to do damage, hence why they’re allowed to build tanky to allow them to do that damage.

Your suggestion would pretty much kill Condition damage builds while pushing the game back towards the silly power builds we have now just like in PVE.

They exist because if you’re anything less then Bunker on a lot of classes

this happens

Ranger’s Sic’Em at 10 seconds would be incredibly broken

6 or maybe 8 seconds would be nice (6 seconds would be my preference) but 10 seconds would be pretty much death for most Thieves.

SoLeciTO.3490:

Terravos.4059 i do not agree with you.

Most games have and must have skills like this.

It will veeeeeeery boring to play a game full of tanks with no high damage-high risk mechanics.

I like kill shot . . . is fun when they 1 shot 1 person . . . even Eviscerate . . . i don’t mind.

This forum is full of people that do not understand the role of profession . . . they want their ranger to hit like a thief . . . is the same a thief asking for 1500 range on bow.

Very few MMO’s have instant kill dps combo’s like this, The few times they do end up with instant kill combo’s they get nerfed very quickly afterward. If you can name an instant kill combo from an MMO, I can probably point out where it was nerfed soon afterward.

Also a Ranger can hit similar to a Thief like this, Its more limited then thief though because you can’t just teleport on top of the person and instantly hit them, But a Maul Combo built for it can hit 12-15k damage on people..

Also by removing these high instant hit combo’s you’d actually be lowering the amount of Tanks in this game.

Do you know why I created BM Bunker long ago on my Ranger? Because If you’re anything less then full tank, Some classes will instantly explode you. You think Ele’s came up with D/D Bunker build because they wanted to play that? Nope..They came up with that build because thieves kept 1 shotting them.

People would like to play less tanky builds, But until you address the problem of incredibly high 1 hit builds, you’ll always have people going to the other end of the spectrum.

Okaishi.8320:

There’s also killshots and eviscerates that easily hit 17k+. About as easy to avoid as the mug+c&d+bs combo if you see it coming. It’s really not that hard to predict what a thief is going to do that’s running towards you with basilisk venom activated and about 15 stacks of might. If you see that, and still can’t manage breaking the stun before the backstab lands you just need more practice, and that’s putting it very nicely. It’s like saying wells shouldn’t be in the game because people stand still inside them and take the full damage over its duration and it can kill multiple players all at once. It’s like saying killshot shouldn’t be in the game because you have people looking at a killshot channel and still fail to dodge it. I feel the same way about people failing to stun break something as painfully obvious as a signet thief, and atleast that killshot warrior isn’t completely helpless even if his burst misses. Same goes for the power necro.

Killshot shouldn’t be in the game.

Its also got a much greater cast time the the usual combo you can run on backstab.

Now I know what you’re going to say “But killshot is easy to avoid” and it is… However having a class that can instant kill someone from a long range in the middle of a group fight that you can’t always avoid is stupid…Just like having an instant kill backstab attack.

Eviscerate probably falls on that as well, Attacks like that shouldn’t exist in a game like this.

As for breaking the stun, You have less then a second to do it before you eat the backstab if the thief teleports on top of you, You can do things like pop stability before hand so you can dodge afterward, but if he comes from the side or back and you don’t see him

Its instant death.

I’m not saying its amazing for 1v1’s, I’m not even saying its overpowered, But at the same time, it shouldn’t exist in this game if you understand what i’m saying.

Okaishi.8320:

Terravos.4059:

Anything less then full on tank though, Its pretty much instant kill from 1500 range

Not exactly what you want for a game like this.

Yet you’re completely useless in anything that doesn’t involve ganking a single person, or when someone actually has the reaction time to stun break and retaliate. It’s just unfortunate most WvW players seem to have the reaction time of turtles. But yeah, I wouldn’t call that stuff overpowered, it’s extremely easy to counter. And on top of it, that build is one of the most boring things to play.

Depends, if I show up at a group fight, and instantly kill one person right at the start that’s not a good thing to have.

The only way to really counter it, is to pre use your invul abilities when you see me get the stacks of might, if you don’t see me, and I just teleport on top of you, you probably won’t have a chance to even hit a stun breaker..

Now do I think its overpowered in the sense of “OMG this is game changing” no…However a build like that shouldn’t exist in this game..Its to much damage period..

If trapper

Do Dire Armor, Weapons with Rabid Jewelry

Use Superior Rune of Speed or Traveler

Oh yea, highest Cloak and Dagger so far has been 8k

I actually stopped using the speed signet, was finding it a pain to stay on someone afterward, need Traveler Runes

I also swapped out one of the Signets for the Devourer Venom. Slightly less Might, but I’m doing 10k-11k backstabs and this of course without Power Stacks or Guard Killer.

But yea, a 2v1 wouldn’t work most likely, very squishy.

I also can’t kill classes like a Mesmer who knows i’m coming, or a Necro who’s not stupid.

Anything less then full on tank though, Its pretty much instant kill from 1500 range

Not exactly what you want for a game like this.

heh

its skill i tell ya

Did this a bit earlier while kittening around with this type of build

I didn’t have Power Stacks nor the Guard Killer buff either.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

Hah every class got terrible heals during that patch but at least Necromancers heal is good against gates. You are right Necromancer is not fun to play that’s why I never leveled one to 80.

“everyone” Guess you missed the Mesmer heal? That one is pretty sick, the Engi got a fun heal might not be the best but still, what every class got was a heal that could be used in different situations and different builds.

What Necromancer on the other hand got, was a heal that was WORSE than ANY of the heals we currently have. It is BOTTOM it has NO use in ANY build we have simply due to the fact that is ALOT worse than ANY of our other skills.

and you think “everyone” got bad heals, thats cute.

So, even with all this moronic talk about the class you don’t even have one that is level 80. That is VERY sad. proves that NOTHING you say means anything and has NO validity what so ever.

I realize that Signet you got wasn’t great, but its not a terrible heal, you think its bad because you already have one of the best heals in the game, but the Signet isn’t terrible.

Claiming your class is suddenly in the garbage heap because you didn’t get something incredibly overpowered like healing signet though makes people take your clkitten seriously though.

I mean cripes, you have people in this thread saying “Well, when we face a zerg DS sucks because it goes down so fast and we die”

Completely ignoring the fact that you know what sucks worse? Not having DS at all, and dying instantly in a zerg.

Cause that’s what happens to a lot of classes, If i’m on my necro and start taking lots of damage, I pop DS and I usually live because of it…

Viking Jorun.5413:

The Game Slayer.7632:

Arrow.4619:

Sanduskel.1850:

Yes, of course this class can survive more nerfs. It remains the best roaming wvw class, bar none, already.

Its already the least played class.

Least played? lol Go to wvw and roam a bit. 50% of solo-ers are still thieves. (bs’ed numbers, but its not that far off from 50%)

Because thieves aren’t good at zerging, so they’re forced into roaming whether they like it or not. Every other class has some place inside of a zerg other than “blast finisher dump”.

I use my thief entirely for zerging, its fun, not to mention powerful.

I run my full venom aura thief in zergs..

Rather nice actually

Everytime someone says “if you remove caps on AOE and CC, it’ll just make Zergs stronger cause they’ll have more of both then the smaller group” I can’t help but laugh.

DAOC didn’t have caps on AOE or CC, and you could easily kill mega zergs in that game with 8 people..

Know why? Because having more people to AOE and CC means nothing if you get side wiped by a group who instant kills half the people you’re with.

Sasajoe.1509:

ChillyChinaman.6057:

I’m inclined to agree with Durzlla here. We have roles we can play. Can others do those roles better? Probably. Is it a noticeable improvement? I think the answer is subjective. Bottom line, know your class in and out. Know that Rapid fire only puts out 1.3k + 38% scaling. Also know that 1H Sword not only provides DPS, but lock down as well, for you and your opponent. Finally, don’t forget your pet. Yeah they don’t listen half the time, but they’re there and are damage/utility is factored into them.

Don’t be offended please but while i know my class in and out a thief that that barely knows his wtf stomps me & that’s because of the broken stealth in this game.

He is so much more rewarded playing thief while i get punished for playing ranger sorry but i don’t call this balance.

You mind posting what spec you’re running.

Cause I honestly don’t have much trouble with most thieves, every now and again one will catch me off guard, but its usually from me screwing around more then anything.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Terravos.4059:

i can’t believe someone is arguing that a second health bar is somehow not great in zerg fights.

Lol, in a zerg it is pretty much useless. Compare that to say Endure Pain. Immunity from damage for 4 seconds, DS barely lasts 2 seconds in most zerg fights so no, its no use.

That’s strange, My DS lasts a lot more then 2 seconds in most zergs

But yes, Lets compare to Endure Pain, which has what kind of cooldown again?

That’s what i thought.

Grass is really always Greener it seems

What is the 5 man going to be fighting?

Other 5 mans or zergs?

Cause against other 5 mans or slightly more then that I’d recommend a Venom Aura Thief over a Spirit Ranger.

i did laugh at the whole Ranger being squishy part though.

i can’t believe someone is arguing that a second health bar is somehow not great in zerg fights.

I still use a Naga mouse over pretty much everything.

However there is one product i’ve been using since the early days of DAOC that I recommend completely for every MMO

http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-keyboards-keypads/razer-tartarus/

This is the latest version

Basically the N52TE pad

efk.3427:

Ben K.7329:

The in-game function that doesn’t exist or the e-mails they don’t read?

The problem here is not fixing bugs, it’s outright ignoring people who are exploiting the game or hacking it. If they were manipulating gold that way they’d be banned by lunchtime.

Press Escape or click the game menu option in the top left -> click support -> submit a bug report. I am sure it ends going to the same place as if you sent an email, but it automatically includes a screenshot (from what I can tell).

Also, as per the “fact” that these people are exploiting: The video shows three SoS thieves (who are green) being in a wooden Wildcreek (in the green third of EB) and someone shooting an AC at one of the few places inside WC that you can’t C&D or hide a black powder field effectively. I was not there, so I can’t speak as to whether he shot it other places or if he ran around staff cleaving everything, but thieves can hide inside a tower for quite a long time. The automatic jump to “they must be exploiting.” is, I believe, a mistake.

Again, I am functioning on only what I can see from the video.

These same 3 thieves along with a few others have been exploiting the entire matchup getting into keeps via pathing errors.

Its not them hiding in the keep and it being taken, I’m talking about taking fully upgraded keeps because they can teleport inside.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Khayoss.2019:

Posting exploits on the forums is against the code of conduct, as is character assassination. Read this, it’s what you agree to when you come to post on these forums:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/rules

Report this kind of stuff inside the game and escalate using the support channels, as the rules state. Do not post videos/screenshots/accusations on matchup forums or the WvW discussion forum. It’s that simple. The fact that people keep doing what you just did here despite being told not to over and over and over and over and over and over is part of why the matchup forum is being closed.

Everyone knows this. The reason they post in the forums is that Anet doesn’t do anything about the exploits/griefing. If Anet actually acted, people wouldn’t need to post about it.

Yeap

To further show my point

If you see someone exploiting or cheating in game, Right click and hit the report button

Do you see an option for Cheating? You’d think in a game like this, one might exist…But nope..

Doesn’t exist.

Just ignore the problem is the policy

DuranArgith.1354:

so, sacrificing 2 utility slots with very long recharge for 4 sec complete immunity is OP?
rangers can do that for 12 secs for the same recharge if traited.

Sure, protect me has no point contribution but still..

Signet of Stone doesn’t work against conditions

It also requires 30 points in marksman

Protect Me isn’t an actual Immunity, all it does is transfer the damage you would take to your pet, Which is a source of Damage/CC/and in most cases The only good Condition Removal you have.

Neither are anywhere near as good as Endure Pain or B-Stance

Substance E.4852:

Terravos.4059:

Eloquence.5207:

What about 2 thieves?

They’re either incredibly good, in which case you’ll explode you, or they’re bad and you’ll kill them.

If one of them is Venom Aura you’re dead.

I have yet to see two people play thief so abysmally bad that they both fail to take down a single target.

I’ve killed 2 thieves before, but like i said….Incredibly bad..

Like you have to be braindead to die in a 2v1 as a thief.

I use to actually kill multiple thieves more often back in the day with Pain Inverter, The amount of morons who would spam heart seeker while dying to confusion was just sad.

For reference

I’m sure countless people on countless servers have dealt with people cheating and exploiting in this game, and have reported it multiple times.

I know a lot of people on my Server have, yet day after day…We see the same people who do the cheating still continue to do it..Yet I see yet another Matchup thread closed because people posted screenshots or video of these players cheating.

So I have to ask, Why do you continue to ignore it Anet?

Your Moderators spend more time closing threads then you spend time on actually taking care of the problem in the first place.

In other words, there is a problem with your game moderation when people pointing out cheaters get punished more then the actual cheaters.

I’m sure this post will be modded as well, But pretending the problem doesn’t exist by modding away the issue, doesn’t mean the issue goes away.

Eloquence.5207:

What about 2 thieves?

They’re either incredibly good, in which case you’ll explode you, or they’re bad and you’ll kill them.

If one of them is Venom Aura you’re dead.

Since you were asking for my build

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQRAnf8YnAVkYZlFWBxaZgYVAQtHTy8Y69I9rv9lMqmA-j0BBoODimkO0kHBKTqIasFTFRjVPjIqWvETKgFlGB-w

I’m still under the opinion that Pets in this game were added kitten.

I think they just wanted an actual pet class in the game, and the Ranger was chosen, problem is they spent so much time in beta trying to get the bloody things to work with pathing that they didn’t actually spend anytime on the pet system in general.

I don’t see them fleshing out the system as well, since Most of the players in this game in the SPvP side seem to really dislike dealing with AI to the point where in past games if you dealt with a Pet class you killed its pet, while in this game the method seems to be Complain to the Devs till it gets nerfed

I laugh everytime I see an SPvP player talk about playing Camelot Unchained when it comes out, Since i’m pretty sure they’re going to slit their wrist soon as they run into a class like the Theurgist/Bonedancer/Animist of DAOC.

kraftie.4765:

Terravos.4059:

rashkin.9530:

sirflamesword.3896:

Icebot.6103:

Yeah, this has been a weird week for us (SoS), I am not sure it is the fairweathers, because let’s face it, you guys are terribly boring to fight. As much as I respect your ability to hold PPT, it’s just a super boring way to do WvW, I much prefer being outnumbered by Tier 1 servers, than servers that constantly run back to their 17 arrow carts they have jammed around a gate.

Or if everyone is just on vacation, who knows. We’ll see next week what happens.

I gotta say SoS is the boring server to fight, huge queue blobs, horrible roamers, glitchers taking towers, and really bad PvF. All around I can understand why 90%% of our population is still taking a break.

So basically, “I know you are you said you are but what am I?”

Terravos.4059:

The only time you wiped the SBI zerg was when you got together in an 80 man zerg with both guilds and fairweathers…The few times you separated anywhere near the SBI numbers, you got rolled over rather handily, Its why you were running in such a large zerg in the first place, You couldn’t compete without the Numbers Advantage.

sirflamesword.3896:

huge queue blobs

Must be the 80 man blob of stoned Australians running around again. Existence is completely unknown to half a server yet still manage to pop up here and there.

Seriously, I haven’t seen a map blob nearly as big as this 80 man mystery since we were facing TC a few weeks back. Which was during Oceanic prime. I official count was 53. Not since I’ve been running with NA have I seen anything that has come close to that during peak time. Not even Luvpie could blob that many people.

I’ve never seen you guys get that big of a zerg either…But that night you had a massive zerg…

I’ve not seen zerg’s that size since SBI was a T1 server

We didn’t have an 80 man zerg that night, the combined force of CB and CNB reached around 30 in TS and we probably had 10 or so pugs running with us. Stop blowing it out of proportion

40 people…..Do you have your settings turned all the way down or something?

Because there was way more then 40 people that night in your zerg..

Aberrant.6749:

Terravos.4059:

I generally zerg on my Thief (My ranger is actually my solo roaming toon) cause i’m venom aura build

Every now and again for giggles, I swap to Thieves Guild, then proceed to run around and explode people.

People expect to eat that damage from a Dagger/Dagger or a D/P thief, so they’re prepared..

No one expects to eat all their life in a split second from a P/D Condition Thief.

Thankfully thieves haven’t caught onto how bloody overpowered Venom Aura is yet.

It suffers from the same thing that other high burst thief builds do. Long cd’s if they avoid the initial burst. Sure it might be kinda neat to stack 20 torment etc. real fast, but if they have a cond wipe or dodge or block… then you’re not going to be doing much for 180s.

I’ve met very few classes that can survive the burst from dumping that on them. Its a whole boatload of damage + that stupid pet likes to pull people down interrupting any sort of heal usually.

rashkin.9530:

sirflamesword.3896:

Icebot.6103:

Yeah, this has been a weird week for us (SoS), I am not sure it is the fairweathers, because let’s face it, you guys are terribly boring to fight. As much as I respect your ability to hold PPT, it’s just a super boring way to do WvW, I much prefer being outnumbered by Tier 1 servers, than servers that constantly run back to their 17 arrow carts they have jammed around a gate.

Or if everyone is just on vacation, who knows. We’ll see next week what happens.

I gotta say SoS is the boring server to fight, huge queue blobs, horrible roamers, glitchers taking towers, and really bad PvF. All around I can understand why 90%% of our population is still taking a break.

So basically, “I know you are you said you are but what am I?”

Terravos.4059:

The only time you wiped the SBI zerg was when you got together in an 80 man zerg with both guilds and fairweathers…The few times you separated anywhere near the SBI numbers, you got rolled over rather handily, Its why you were running in such a large zerg in the first place, You couldn’t compete without the Numbers Advantage.

sirflamesword.3896:

huge queue blobs

Must be the 80 man blob of stoned Australians running around again. Existence is completely unknown to half a server yet still manage to pop up here and there.

Seriously, I haven’t seen a map blob nearly as big as this 80 man mystery since we were facing TC a few weeks back. Which was during Oceanic prime. I official count was 53. Not since I’ve been running with NA have I seen anything that has come close to that during peak time. Not even Luvpie could blob that many people.

I’ve never seen you guys get that big of a zerg either…But that night you had a massive zerg…

I’ve not seen zerg’s that size since SBI was a T1 server

Banes.2613:

There’s a lot of silly trash talk here referring to server’s as a whole while ignoring strengths of particular servers.. it really doesn’t make sense.

It’s just been an off week is all. We’ve had a lot of good fights and things will return to normal soon enough now that the holidays are over – presumably at least.

And just to address some of the other things – I apologize on behalf on SoS for those glitching – the vast majority of us do not support it. I’m sure they’ll get what is coming to them one way or another, as switching to alt guilds doesn’t really do them much justice when they go back to their main guild soon after they’re done.

Terravos.4059:

(……) Its ok..I get that though, If you can’t win with equal numbers, bring more if you got them… Albion use to do it in DAOC a lot on Merlin, and I didn’t begrudge them for it.

Hello from an Alb from Merlin! /Salute to you regardless of the realm you played.

Anyways, nice fights tonight everyone and happy new year.

lol, let me ask you something…Do you pan still? I notice a lot of people who didn’t play DAOC don’t do it…I do it still…Always have to look over one’s shoulder for Shux’s Radar Group.

kraftie.4765:

Terravos.4059:

rashkin.9530:

bigblah.3285:

Wants fights

Hides in keep

Hiding? What part of 2 x map blobs trying to take 1 keep didn’t you understand? There was EXS or whatever they are called bashing on south gate, FUN rushing through for fights inside the inner every now and then, the rest of SBI running around outer ramparts and banging on gates.

Speaking of useless blobs, YB sitting outside north inner doing not too much at all. Then running off after the slightest hint of a SoS rush.

So yes, we were hiding in the keep this time. If by hiding you mean absolutely surrounded on all sides. Most of the time was spent running around scrambling to get supplies and repairing the outer after each time you dropped a few rams then just ran off when we came to say hello.

Terravos.4059:

….. Is someone from SoS actually saying they didn’t have 80 people last night in EB?

Rofl..

Rashkin, Just for reference, that 80 man Blob you were running last night in EB, It was all you…YB wouldn’t be able to differentiate between SBI and SoS last night either because we didn’t see YB all night because they just weren’t there…

I don’t know what the hell you are on about, but I’m currently playing NA times. I am also spending 99% on that time inside the borderlands.

I played Oceanic during Season 1 and a bit after and I didn’t see anything resembling an 80 man blob on any of the maps at that time of day (or night for the oceanics). Hell, Luvpie can’t even rally that many when he runs NA prime and he tends to attract the blobbiest of SoS blobs. Maybe the SEA players got all the people scattered about the BL and blobbed them on EB for some reason. Other then that, your claims are questionable.

I’ve played all times, You never have anywhere near the numbers that you had the night before.

When Zergs start crushing the FPS on my computer… its starts getting into the silly level.

We kept laughing though, cause you guys spent like 4 hours doing nothing till ya managed to take SM from us after you second attempt (your first attempt you shouldn’t of failed)

The rest of the time the zerg was running around in a giant ball not really taking anything, the few times it got split it got wiped…But you guys had keeps in your own BL that wasn’t yours, and you didn’t take squat in EB… It was a Huge waste of a massive zerg that should of let you guys roll the hell over us.

If anything with that zerg, you could of turned SBI entire BL’s Green with us not being able to stop you.

To be honest that run started with CB joining up with CNB in order to fight your blob. It was quite sad that we had to join up just to match what you were running that night. Also, I can assure you CB was only playing for FIGHTS and we absolutely despise playing for ppt. CNB and CB alone wiped your blob a few times before we decided to get rid of your waypointed SM.

Stating that our first try shouldn’t have failed is just silly. Don’t get ahead of yourself. Most SoS guild groups would wipe any of yours in an even matched open field fight. You guys also had a waypoint and I commend you guys for making full use of it. After we capped SM we decided to call it a night as ppt play is boring as kitten.

Congrats on your win this week.

The only time you wiped the SBI zerg was when you got together in an 80 man zerg with both guilds and fairweathers…The few times you separated anywhere near the SBI numbers, you got rolled over rather handily, Its why you were running in such a large zerg in the first place, You couldn’t compete without the Numbers Advantage.

Its ok..I get that though, If you can’t win with equal numbers, bring more if you got them… Albion use to do it in DAOC a lot on Merlin, and I didn’t begrudge them for it.

CHIPS.6018:

Terravos.4059:

CHIPS.6018:

glaphen.5230:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

Come on are seriously implying you don’t even know the class you have more experience on me with? Weakening Shroud has an obvious animation when they enter Death Shroud, now watch the video and tell me where it is.

Stop assuming that he could have lived through any of that without proper positioning or even done 1/1000 of the damage he did if he sat in his zerg.

Yeah, try that against players that Immbo, chill you and such, easy to do in zergs and it USED to be useful. Now, not so much.

Also, i gave ONE example of a nerf to conditions that hurt power builds – i am sure i could give you a couple more that have hurt even just power staff using builds as well.

He could have EASILY done the same damage in the first fight. I mean, all he did was move to the side away from his zerg who didnt even have anyone get downed, spammed a few marks and then went into DS – he could have EASILY done the same from being close to his zerg.

The one on the wall was pretty good, but to assume he did all the work. Not quite.

The guy in the video didn’t use staff so it isn’t relevant at all.

You seriously underestimate the importance of positioning in a fight. Sure the hammer train Warriors and Guardians don’t need positioning they just need to stick with their zerg as close as possible. The rest of the classes have their own place in the fight and the best spot is usually not inside the train.

Did you just say that the mages get to stay behind while the warriors and guardians charge in with the commander? LMAO! Sorry mate but if your commander allows this, then he doesn’t know what he is doing.

If you don’t move with your commander, who is responsible for helping his zerg avoid incoming damages, you will be dead in seconds.

What positioning? You should let your commander worry about that. You only job is to stay on your commander 24/7 without question. If you cannot survive what he can survive then you need better tanking gear.

You are clearly a sPvPer. Don’t get me wrong I have no disrespect for sPvPers. But please don’t try to bring your sPvP experience into WvW. It is a different world.

You can run full PVT and pop people hard with Necromancer while in Deathshroud, I’ve done it on mine after the changes… 5k and 6k damage is very very easy to do.

Also Necromancers are way way way better then they were last year…Not even close.

The guy I was talking to is arguing Zerker gear on necro is great for WvW. He wasn’t talking about PVT.

And Nemesis has proven that the current necro’s damage output is worst than August 2012. And the necro didn’t get nearly enough additional survivability to make up for their losses in damage.

I think you underestimate how much survivability and damage you’ve gotten.

My Ranger didn’t have any trouble against Necro’s up until a few patches ago, Now they’re incredibly scary to fight.

So scary I basically have to kite them around till I get them low enough for the kill.

If I play offensively I die… 100% of the time.

I generally zerg on my Thief (My ranger is actually my solo roaming toon) cause i’m venom aura build

Every now and again for giggles, I swap to Thieves Guild, then proceed to run around and explode people.

People expect to eat that damage from a Dagger/Dagger or a D/P thief, so they’re prepared..

No one expects to eat all their life in a split second from a P/D Condition Thief.

Thankfully thieves haven’t caught onto how bloody overpowered Venom Aura is yet.

rashkin.9530:

bigblah.3285:

Wants fights

Hides in keep

Hiding? What part of 2 x map blobs trying to take 1 keep didn’t you understand? There was EXS or whatever they are called bashing on south gate, FUN rushing through for fights inside the inner every now and then, the rest of SBI running around outer ramparts and banging on gates.

Speaking of useless blobs, YB sitting outside north inner doing not too much at all. Then running off after the slightest hint of a SoS rush.

So yes, we were hiding in the keep this time. If by hiding you mean absolutely surrounded on all sides. Most of the time was spent running around scrambling to get supplies and repairing the outer after each time you dropped a few rams then just ran off when we came to say hello.

Terravos.4059:

….. Is someone from SoS actually saying they didn’t have 80 people last night in EB?

Rofl..

Rashkin, Just for reference, that 80 man Blob you were running last night in EB, It was all you…YB wouldn’t be able to differentiate between SBI and SoS last night either because we didn’t see YB all night because they just weren’t there…

I don’t know what the hell you are on about, but I’m currently playing NA times. I am also spending 99% on that time inside the borderlands.

I played Oceanic during Season 1 and a bit after and I didn’t see anything resembling an 80 man blob on any of the maps at that time of day (or night for the oceanics). Hell, Luvpie can’t even rally that many when he runs NA prime and he tends to attract the blobbiest of SoS blobs. Maybe the SEA players got all the people scattered about the BL and blobbed them on EB for some reason. Other then that, your claims are questionable.

I’ve played all times, You never have anywhere near the numbers that you had the night before.

When Zergs start crushing the FPS on my computer… its starts getting into the silly level.

We kept laughing though, cause you guys spent like 4 hours doing nothing till ya managed to take SM from us after you second attempt (your first attempt you shouldn’t of failed)

The rest of the time the zerg was running around in a giant ball not really taking anything, the few times it got split it got wiped…But you guys had keeps in your own BL that wasn’t yours, and you didn’t take squat in EB… It was a Huge waste of a massive zerg that should of let you guys roll the hell over us.

If anything with that zerg, you could of turned SBI entire BL’s Green with us not being able to stop you.

CHIPS.6018:

glaphen.5230:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

Come on are seriously implying you don’t even know the class you have more experience on me with? Weakening Shroud has an obvious animation when they enter Death Shroud, now watch the video and tell me where it is.

Stop assuming that he could have lived through any of that without proper positioning or even done 1/1000 of the damage he did if he sat in his zerg.

Yeah, try that against players that Immbo, chill you and such, easy to do in zergs and it USED to be useful. Now, not so much.

Also, i gave ONE example of a nerf to conditions that hurt power builds – i am sure i could give you a couple more that have hurt even just power staff using builds as well.

He could have EASILY done the same damage in the first fight. I mean, all he did was move to the side away from his zerg who didnt even have anyone get downed, spammed a few marks and then went into DS – he could have EASILY done the same from being close to his zerg.

The one on the wall was pretty good, but to assume he did all the work. Not quite.

The guy in the video didn’t use staff so it isn’t relevant at all.

You seriously underestimate the importance of positioning in a fight. Sure the hammer train Warriors and Guardians don’t need positioning they just need to stick with their zerg as close as possible. The rest of the classes have their own place in the fight and the best spot is usually not inside the train.

Did you just say that the mages get to stay behind while the warriors and guardians charge in with the commander? LMAO! Sorry mate but if your commander allows this, then he doesn’t know what he is doing.

If you don’t move with your commander, who is responsible for helping his zerg avoid incoming damages, you will be dead in seconds.

What positioning? You should let your commander worry about that. You only job is to stay on your commander 24/7 without question. If you cannot survive what he can survive then you need better tanking gear.

You are clearly a sPvPer. Don’t get me wrong I have no disrespect for sPvPers. But please don’t try to bring your sPvP experience into WvW. It is a different world.

You can run full PVT and pop people hard with Necromancer while in Deathshroud, I’ve done it on mine after the changes… 5k and 6k damage is very very easy to do.

Also Necromancers are way way way better then they were last year…Not even close.

….. Is someone from SoS actually saying they didn’t have 80 people last night in EB?

Rofl..

Rashkin, Just for reference, that 80 man Blob you were running last night in EB, It was all you…YB wouldn’t be able to differentiate between SBI and SoS last night either because we didn’t see YB all night because they just weren’t there…

bigblah.3285:

Three maps with uniform colors! (Although SoS took back their EB keep a split second later)

You know….SoS could of done that, if they weren’t running around in an 80 man zerg this morning accomplishing nothing.

I never seen such a massive zerg do nothing remotely useful.

I can understand why they did it though i suppose, Everytime they got close to SBI numbers they got smashed into the ground…But it seemed like such a waste of time and numbers do nothing.

They then complain about YB going for number 2 instead of number 1 this week.

Its not YB fault how SoS is playing right now…SoS should be dominating with what they had tonight.

KCmilam.3476:

WilVidz.3698:

Not only QL, Langor too….
http://imageshack.com/a/img837/4430/kfio.jpg

oh look door full hp
http://imageshack.com/a/img198/7746/pgsc.jpg

Seeing players glitch into towers is one thing, but assuming they glitched because a door has full hp is not enough. Thieves will often wait out an attack on a tower, stealth in, remain until the zerg leaves, and wait out the timer on the keep lord. You’ll see them attacking the lord, but no glitch was involved and it is completely legal.

I watched them glitch into the same tower 4 times in a row, It wasn’t them waiting..

They were glitching into a fully upgraded tower which they eventually took without ever bringing down the door.

I know the area they came in at.

What they were doing was cheating pretty much 100%

WilVidz.3698:

Not only QL, Veloka too….
http://imageshack.com/a/img837/4430/kfio.jpg

oh look door full hp
http://imageshack.com/a/img198/7746/pgsc.jpg

Yea, same group..

That’s seriously sad.

I tried reporting them, but exploiting doesn’t seem to be an option, went with Botting

Hey SoS, might I suggest trying to take QL fairly instead of exploiting your way into the keep

Same group tried 4 times so far to take the tower, and yes they were getting inside via a terrain exploit.

Natronix.9827:

Le Rooster.8715:

Serenity.8246:

Le Rooster.8715:

Yak’s bend is the most pathetic excuse of a server i’ve seen, seriously all you do is play for second why don’t you man up and start attacking no.1 for once and actually go for that no.1 spot instead of playing for second.

Hahaha….you don’t know our server very well do you? Our server is still on vacation and you get points where you can take them. I didn’t see you crying when SBI BL was red….

You’re cute, though! I’d ask Mother YB if I could take you home but we don’t have a backyard to keep you in.

and getting groups to glitch into our citadel to destroy our golems, well done YB classiest server NA.

They did that to us too. I give credit where its due YB but, I hope that whoever is leading that group gets banned.

Yea, don’t park your Golems in the Citidal when playing against YB, they do it every match. Always same guild/group that does it to.

Keksmuffin.1450:

Valentin.2073:

spirit build is not passive. spirits have active skills too. stop calling it passive build. a ranger equipped with signets that’s passive.

Because signets don’t have active effects right? And because you’re totally using sunspirit for the delayed blind and not for the burning procs on auto right? Maybe think before you type?

PS: Srsly Griften? Doge?

PPS: I almost forgot to be constructive. I don’t know where your sudden love for power rangers comes from seing how you only play condi stuff, even on war and meser but you’re making good points. The damage on most weapons just sux, the only thing that really hurts is haul which is pretty unreliable due to obvious animation and unreliable ways to set it up/cc somebody (gs 5 is meh).

I wouldn’t really agree on the active condi remove stuff… you got Signet of Renewal which is ok with signet traits and you could even go lyssa runes with rampage as one. I see the problem in general lack of survivability compared with the meh damage. You just can’t kill somebody before he kills you. Most of the times your heal doesn’t even come of cd and you’re already dead.

Some things that would be cool IMO would be rampage as one with 60s cd and only 10s of fury, stability and swiftness. You could run lyssa runes with it and even without them less stability on less cd is more useful in general and especially for stomping people.

Way more damage on longbow, especially on barrage which is just ridicolously weak for the setup it needs. It would actually make power ranger somewhat useful in teamfights.

Not to sure about that one but i think the heals are all kind of meh for a glascannon… healing spring is nice for bunkerish or just sustained ranger builds that fight on a point since they can abuse the remove and the combofield way better than a glascannon and can put it right on a point to support the team with it. A power ranger won’t be able to stay on a point or just stay in one spot in general most of the times.

Ehh, Most Rangers won’t pop their signets because unless they invest 30 points into Marksman, it has no effect on them… so yea.. Signets are passive on a Ranger, Spirits Are not.