Guild Wars 2

DevilLordLaser.8619:

The problem is that open-world dueling goes against ArenaNet’s vision for player cooperation, the notion that “whenever you see another player, you’re happy to see that guy because he’s going to make the game more fun for you.”

If any other random player can punch “Duel This Player?” nine million times and harass them over whispers and call them all manner of names for being too ‘scared/casual/scrub’ to duel them? Well, then you’re not going to be happy to see other players.

Now, I get it. Not everyone who wants open-world dueling is going to be a gigantic flaming kittentroll with the feature, and if there is an auto-reject duel invites option (which is often assumed but may well not be there), then it’s not usually much more difficult to deal with than gold spammers, no. But nevertheless, there is no ‘Gold Spam This Player?’ button implemented in the UI, the way dueling would be, and you can’t ban an account for being a kittentroll with the dueling system the way you can ban someone for gold spamming.

It’s only an annoyance, yes. But it is an annoyance, and we all know how one annoyance at the wrong time can ruin someone’s entire day.

As well, the PvE players don’t especially want to allow the opening wedge of WoW- style ganktrolling kittenfroggery that open-world dueling would be. After all, if we get dueling, then why can’t we have a few limited zones where dueling is automatically on at all times? Hey, that was kinda fun! – why not expand it to little-used regular world areas, see what happens?

Yes, that’s obviously a slippery-slope argument, but let’s face it – PvP players are kinda known for being giant jerks to PvE players whenever they get a chance. It’s a thing they do. It’s why we’re all often so touchy about the issue of open-world PvP – you guys are jerks. Why give you more chances? If I go into a Wuv map or drop into sPvP, I’m expected to play by the PvP guys’ rules and go PvP things. And get horribly kittentrolled because I’m bad at PvP and have neither the desire nor opportunity to improve, but if I was in a PvP or Wuv zone, that would be my fault, not the PvP players’. After all, PvP is what happens in those zones; why am I there if I’m not there to get downed and then insulted?

So…why is it okay for the PvP players to go into a PvE zone and then demand the ability to bother anyone they like for PvP on a whim? Excuse me, it’s a PvE zone. Player Versus Environment. Dynamic events, map completion, world bosses, Living Story, what-have-you. It’s a zone intended for cooperative PvE. For all the “c’mon, how would it really hurt you guys to let us duel in the open world?” folks?

You’re dragging your PvP into our PvE. You’re spamming us with duel invites we don’t want, you’re harassing us via whisper, you’re causing a ruckus wherever you feel like it, and most of all you’re not playing cooperative PvE in the cooperative PvE zones.

If you want fixed-location dueling arenas, things like the Bane or the Pavilion? Fabulous, go for it. That way anyone in those areas would be there because they’re interested in duels, and the people who’re interested in PvE can continue to PvE without being ridiculed for doing PvE in the PvE zones.

If you want to fight other players, there’s organized Mist PvP for that. If you want to fight other players with your PvE stuff, there’s Wuv for that. If you want to fight other players with your PvE stuff, one-on-one without interruptions, and regardless of whether THEY want to fight YOU…

Well, there’s other games for that.

PvP zones are for PvP, Wuv zones are for Wuv, and PvE zones are for PvE. End of story, eh?

NOPE! Still want the option to duel!
It’s not open world dueling. I can’t just randomly go up to someone and kill them. You have to actually right click their name and issue a request.

Crimson Clouds.4853:

I’m looking forward to whatever Anet might throw at us for April Fools.

I found this preview bug earlier today (it works on all weapons as far as I can tell). Previewing a wielded weapon makes the weapon appear approximately half its size (changing preview mode removes the effect).

Perhaps we’ll be playing with tiny weapons…

And with huge minipets?

(https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Found-a-funny-little-mini-preview-bug/first#post4934422)

It would be kinda funny to see all races use asura sized weapons, and ausra using huge weapons.

ZeftheWicked.3076:

Two man enter, one man leaves. No capture points, no teams, no 5v4, no excuses.
A fair contest of skill on equal footing.

Why i feel that every pvp mode in this game is actively seeking to punish me for craving such a battle (team members, be it mine or his butting in, 5v4 matchups going through, total chaos at team deathmatch map.

+1 if you want duels too. And not for 300 gold on maps that are not designed for it.

Also adding dueling option will greatly benefit other pvp modes. WvW and spvp do feature many zerg moments, it’s sometimes utter chaos. How is a newcomer to really learn to pvp there?

With duels you have only one opponent and yourself. You can learn more that way about how other professions fight, their skills, their builds and weaknesses. Instead of learning that zegs are chaotic.

People who’d spend their time in duels would come out a much more competent players to spvp and WvW, now knowing how to fight different opposition and ready to soak up more knowledge on team tactics and quirks specific to a given game mode.

Before everyone jumps to conclusions, this is not the same as my thread. I beleive OP wants a arena strictly for 1vs1. In which I think a rotation 1vs1 would be cool. Otherwise, if you’re for the ability to duel in PvE, check out my thread.
For example on arena dueling.
It’s still 5 vs 5, however, each round is one vs one. Sort of like a shoutout. One player is downed, and the other is brought in. This is just my idea though.

Point is, again, it would be nice to be able to duel people or other parties.
These fights would have to be accepted by both players/parties.
These duels can not be done in a event rings.
Duels can have wagers if wanted.
Duels will have 10 seconds to get ready, when the clock runs out, both players will bow and begin the duel.
Duels will end when a player goes down.
Mobs will effect the fight seeing how it’s no different then WvW.

Reasons why dueling should be implanted.
Some people want dueling because there is no logical way to do so.
By logical I mean the current way requiares real money to rent a pvp room.
Renting a room for real money for a 5 min duel is not logical.
Duels will have a “Block Duel Invites” those who do not wish to participate will not have to,
Duels will allow a broader stat range then in PvP.

What it does for you.
1. Allows you and friends to duel anywhere in Tyria.
2. Doesn’t effect you if you do not want dueling.
3. Just a bonus, you either use it or don’t. But it’s there.

ITheNormalPerson.9275:

Zera Allimatti.2541:

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While i’m not necessarily disagreeing with your argument as a whole, a few things

to your first point, as people above have said, dueling already somewhat exists in the game, and in the 2 years i’ve played, only once have i had someone rage at me and demand to duel me. Just because you believe people would demand dueling if it were added doesn’t necessarily mean people will.

to the second point… i’m not exactly sure how that’s an argument against dueling? It’s like saying since i’m bad at dungeons, so i don’t want them to add more dungeons to the game.

for the third point, as i said, dueling already somewhat exists in the game currently. and people “already” complain about how awful the meta and builds are and all that jazz. I doubt adding dueling would increase the complaints much (and personally, i think the amount of builds in pvp and even specifically dueling is far more diverse than pve.)

the fourth point seems like more of a personal attack rather than a counter-argument, so no comment.

no comment to the fifth point either.

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Most of the people in this thread against arguments seem to think that it would both interfere with your average PvE activities, and they would get spammed with duel requests or vulgarities.

as for the “interfering with PvE activities” i can’t say for sure, but to be perfectly honest, a majority of pve maps are already sort of dead most of the time anyways. and for the most part, i think duelists would want to avoid involving their duels in PvE activities just as much as you guys want to avoid PvP activities.

and the whole “spamming duel requests/screaming vulgarities” i also can’t say for sure, but neither can any of you. we don’t “know” if dueling would increase or decrease that sort of interaction. GW2 has been known for having a “good” community (at least by MMO standards), and GW2 is also quite different from your average MMO. it would be hard, or near impossible, to tell what effects this would have on the game, as an average player. simply saying “dueling will make people jerks!” is very much a slippery slope fallacy.

Again, I’m not specifically for OR against dueling. but personally, I still fail to see how it would harm the game.

Thankyou for clearing this up, and seeing both sides rather then just saying no.
I too still fail to see why this would be such a problem. I think I even saw a post that said one of the reasons was “he was bad at it” come on guys. Your reasons are about as logical as a little kid not wanting to go to school. =P

CureForLiving.5360:

YuiRS.8129:

5v5 isn’t a duel…

Yeah but it would be fun “Meet us as in Gendarin Field at noon! And will resolve this…”
I imagine people would be able to find some fun spots to fight… might interfere with events though (not sure how but maybe).
The Charr have an arena just lying around, why not put the duels in there?

Exactly, this would be so cool! And we can fight with our real gear! just make it so you can’t request duels inside event rings. Easy enough.

Sagat.3285:

Astralporing.1957:

Sagat.3285:

There is a reason to but the reason not to is to save casuals. When both are mixed property you have constant challenge like BDO before CB3 when you separate them both become stale and the game need expansions,dungeons become easy,you don’t make real friends and your game is down hill run.

So, only PvP players have real friends. Please, go on, this is getting interesting…

Sagat.3285:

Do you know a game named Lineage 1? Since 1998 it never stopped being played until the NA servers were shut down and only koreans play it right now, GW2 will never be close to that no matter how many expansions.

Good. I don’t want GW2 become another korean grinder.

What keeps you playing and doesn’t make you a copy of any random player? Explain to me why games like Eve Online, Lineage series and alike last longer and become more successful than your average mmo. BDO was supposed to get that shine but it’s became casual focused and dropped even in Korea, GW2 is more challenging than it and the previous games made by the company were way better C9 and Vindictus.

Please explain to me what makes a successful MMORPG, plz do.

Take it to PM guys.

Dante.1763:

TheFool.4589:

And what do you do to people who are annoying? Again…points invalid. Bring in the dancing lobsters!

Why are you even responding to me? My post had nothing to do with your idea. it was in response to a persons question asking why those of us who didnt want it, dont want it.

if you had ACTUALLY READ my post, you would clearly see that i want dueling. in specific areas. So im on your side, partly at least. Well not yours, but the players in general who want dueling implemented in some way.

I dont want to deal with kittens in game whenever i play(which is what would happen, it happens enough already). Again, stop being a condescending kitten. Its not a good way to discuss something, and gets you nowhere, and it stops people from wanting to engage in discussion with you. Which is what happened here, have a nice day! I know i will be, in game running around exploring spam free!

I still don’t understand what your trying to say. You’re for dueling, but only in certain areas, but you don’t want dueling anywhere cause you feel you’ll get spammed? Again….huh? Dueling anywhere will not effect you any more then gold spammers whispering you…..I don’t understand why this is such a big deal. Check the “block invites” box, and treat whispers the same as gold spammers…..that’s why they have a block feature….seriously I don’t get it.
You’re basically saying " don’t add it cause then I have to deal with spammers and that’s to hard" you are also saying things that might not even happen to you.

Dante.1763:

Sagat.3285:

There is a reason to but the reason not to is to save casuals. When both are mixed property you have constant challenge like BDO before CB3 when you separate them both become stale and the game need expansions,dungeons become easy,you don’t make real friends and your game is down hill run. Do you know a game named Lineage 1?

So..According to you, the people i do dungeons with everyday, do map exploration with, and constantly talk to. Those arent my friends? HUH?! Just what? Thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard.

TheFool.4589:

Dante.1763:

TheFool.4589:

Read the OP. reeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaad

Wasnt talking to you now was i? I was responding to that persons question. Not yours.

As for your edit. See the part about trolls.

They dont have a button for blocking gold spammers now do they? And thats whisper, not duel invites. There is no “GOLD SPAM THIS PERSON” Button. Your point is invalid.

Whispers=player accounts…….“Block duel invites”= game mechanic……
think about what you just wrote, lol

I did, stop being an condescending kitten . Just because you have “Block duel invites” turned on, does not mean that person wont whisper you, either to ask to duel or call you a “kittening kitten” for not dueling.

And what do you do to people who are annoying? Again…points invalid. Bring in the dancing lobsters!

Dante.1763:

TheFool.4589:

Read the OP. reeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaad

Wasnt talking to you now was i? I was responding to that persons question. Not yours.

As for your edit. See the part about trolls.

They dont have a button for blocking gold spammers now do they? And thats whisper, not duel invites. There is no “GOLD SPAM THIS PERSON” Button. Your point is invalid.

Whispers=player accounts…….“Block duel invites”= game mechanic……
think about what you just wrote, lol

Dante.1763:

ITheNormalPerson.9275:

What i’m curious, aimed towards the people who don’t want it, is “why” you don’t want it? in what way would it negatively affect the game if it were added?

Like, personally, i probably wouldn’t use the feature and i think it’s a bit silly. but i don’t know why i “wouldn’t” want it added.

(And to be honest, i don’t think it’d take “that” much work to implement. I believe they actually enabled open-world pvp for woodenpotatoes? i’m not sure, i’ve just heard that from others)

Why dont we want it? Its a distraction, we dont want to be spammed with duel invites( Even an autodecline feature wont stop this), We dont want to have to deal with the trolls and other idiots who come with dueling.(Turning whispers off is not an option, and is a stupid response)

I am all for Dueling in certain areas in certain zones around the world. See the bane in the black citadel, the queens pavilion in DA, are two examples. But a full no on dueling everywhere. As are most of the people who are in the middle(like me) in almost every thread that pops up like this, ive counted almost everytime.
This is from the last thread i counted though, and was asking for open world Dueling.
Against. 73
Against, but for dueling if implemented in some way that players didnt have to see it, and or if it was in specific zones. 43
For Dueling, as long as its opt in. 24
For open world PVP. 8
Non specific answers, inculding those “Only against X race” 11

how would a “Block duel invites” button not work?? Lol huh? Your points are invalid. You deal with gold spammers don’t you?

Zera Allimatti.2541:

Honestly OP, if anyone gave a kitten about your cute little duels (which no one does) and we actually wanted to watch (which no one does) there is the PvP spectator mode for that reason. Go to sPvP, do your duel there, and if we want to watch (we won’t) then we have that option.

Open world dueling serves no purpose and does not make the game any better for the majority. Keep in mind who ArenaNet primarily caters to (hint: it’s not the duelists, the RP community, or the people coming from other MMO’s that want to change GW2 to those other games).

Nothing serves a purpose, but this would mean people like me who like to duel can. It doesn’t effect you at all. Don’t want it? Don’t use it. But the people who do want to will. The same way we got First person cameras. Again NO ONE WANTS TO RENT AN ARENA FOR A 5 MIN DUEL.

Read!!! How hard is this to understand? I don’t get why people are so against getting things that they don’t want. It’s extra stuff!! Again you don’t have to use it! What do you care?
Give a real solid reason as to why PvE dueling will effect you. Not the devs, YOU.

Lorgus.6148:

google “gw2 gone wild” on reddit to see some of the funny nudity bugs that came from putting on the wrong armor textures

Warning, what is seen can not be unseen. X_X

CETheLucid.3964:

No matter how many times this is brought up, it doesn’t make sense.

You can already do what you’re describing. 1vs1, 5vs5… all of that can be done anytime, anywhere in the world, with the push of a button.

You can keep requesting it. I can deal with that. But your argument is unsound.

Did you read what I wrote? I already addressed pvp.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

I don’t think it will be enabled with the release of HoT.

Which works for me, but…as you said….I shouldn’t care. /shrug

p.s. Dueling is 1v1. Not sure how 5v5 (only) would be implemented just anywhere.

True, I should edit that….what I meant was having the option to 1vs1 or party vs party.

YUP I’m brining it back up again. Deal.

Love it or hate it. I for one love the idea of being able to duel in PvE. imagine 1vs1 fights or maybe 5vs5 party vs party fights in L.A as people watch! And before you start the match, you can set a wager if you want. How cool would this be? You can say " that’s what PvP is for!" And yeah you’re right, but not everyone wants to rent out a room for a 5 min duel. Nor do we wanna go into a dueling only server cause those always get trolled. We already have costume brawls, why not real ones?
Some ideas:
Ask a player to duel, if they accept, a banner is dropped with each players guild logo. Players will have a ten second countdown, and when it reaches 0 each player will bow automatically, and begin the fight. The first player downed loses. The winner will recieve the wage and have the crown displayed over their head.

Anyway to the point, do you guys think HoT will bring this to the table for those of us who want it? And if you don’t want it what do you care? You don’t have to use it, just like the FP camera. It’s just a bonus. They can always add a block duel invites option.

Here is my entry…I mean look at him….He’s dead. And an holy angel….how can you get anymore gentleman like?

I’m looking for some feed back/advice on my zerker thief.
Traits:
Six: 6-9-13
Six:2-10-11
Zero:
Zero:
Two: 5
Weapons:
PvP/WvW I use D/P
Daggers have Superior Sigil of rage and frailty
All Gear is Berserker.
Common Crit: 5k-8k
Highest Crit: 15k ONCE

I would like to know if having a thief that has 2,500 power means anything when it comes to crits. I feel like my hits are actually kinda weak.

I don’t mind it at all….it’s nice walking through town, or waiting for a world boss and hearing a "bard"play their music. I’d rather have someone use macros to play a song than hear them screw up and be abnoctious. I can honestly say if I had a instrument I would do the same.

Rin.1046:

TheFool.4589:

The problem I have with the rifle idea is zerker theifs like me are gonna get the “ranger LB mash2 to win” treatment. Nobody really complains about theifs any more and if we get a rifle, you know will figure out a way to crit at long range, then people will get mad, theif will get a nerf and so forth…I’d rather take a great sword and avoid this now…

How is a zerker greatsword any less rage inducing than a zerker rifle? People complain about thief all the time, and the anti zerker brigade will complain about any zerker weapon. It won’t matter one bit what weapon we get, someone will find something to complain about.

I’m not saying I don’t want a greatsword, I would actually prefer it over rifle, I just don’t think people’s complaints about zerker gear is reason enough to not have rifle.

Think about it….ones Melee and up close, the other is range. If the theif is given the ability to crit the same way their backstab does in stealth for example, you just gave a highly maneuverable class the opportunity to down another class at a long range without ever being touched.
If you were walking around in WvW and saw a theif in the distance go stealth and suddenly you’re downed, would you get mad? You had no chance to defend yourself like you could if they were going for a backstab.

Buy T6 crafting bags. Sell them. Profit. Buy precursor.

Maybe it will be a future dungeon….how cool would that be??

The problem I have with the rifle idea is zerker theifs like me are gonna get the “ranger LB mash2 to win” treatment. Nobody really complains about theifs any more and if we get a rifle, you know will figure out a way to crit at long range, then people will get mad, theif will get a nerf and so forth…I’d rather take a great sword and avoid this now…

I find it funny how we had a chance to purchase a katana great sword, but a theif with the specialization of possibly being a ninja/samari and is closer to these types of classes, will never wield a katana like that lol

Any word on what a theifs getting for a specialization? I really hope it’s a great sword but I’m assuming it might be a rifle =\

A human theif. I’m kind of built for it in real life and already have two daggers and a legit sword. What would I do in tyria? Explore duh! No more chains holding me down, I could walk around with a sword and no one would question. Like Kirito in Sao said “A single blade can take you anywhere you want to go.” There would also no longer be money issues in the world….I mean whatever you kill drops it! I’d simply love to live in Tyria, bring on the dragons im not afraid!

Yeah really wish they would change it, make them hold them to the side while running. It just looks so dam derby the way it is now. XD

I’m sorry…but the the running animation on a human warrior (Don’t know about others) with duel swords looks so dumb. PLEASE change it. I feel like my toons gonna stab himself when he runs with duel swords out. Make toons hold swords out to the side like they are ready to slash. Anything that doesn’t make them like they are gonna face plant into their own swords.

Can anyone point me in the direction behind the lore of fractals? Like uncategorized for example? Is there even lore?

Monkey Fritz.9052:

TheFool.4589:

I prefer the jars of bees….they actually do damage to fractal bosses like Mai tren when her shields up. No joke give it a shot.

You’re just asking for yet another item to be disabled in dungeons and instanced content…

….not my fault bees are the almighty 50-60 per tick damage dealing gods to all bosses. They’re bees. Bees will bee.

I prefer the jars of bees….they actually do damage to fractal bosses like Mai tren when her shields up. No joke give it a shot.

First world Guildwars 2 problems. I’d kill to make 6g in one, lucky enough to make 2g.

The wings should have been color changed, would have been cool to have one white one black.

Roda.7468:

TheFool.4589:

……tybalt is one of the best heros in the game. I can see this current cast that’s with us is a little “meh” but tybalt……well he’s tybalt! He got his own backpack cause people loved him so much.

I really want to see him make a reappearance in HoT where Mordremoth fuses him with an apple tree.

Lmao epic. There no real confirmation he’s dead soo….I mean those doors shut and anything could have happened.

Ayrilana.1396:

TheFool.4589:

Bloodstealer.5978:

TheFool.4589:

Gold spammers have settled down, so I’m guessing no…

Aye now you mention it, it does seem to have dropped off a bit
Though strangely enough today I had my first spoof mail in game saying the usual account is going to be banned in 24 hours, click link blah blah blah…

Honestly no joke, it’s the best way to find out if the games at an extremely low price.

Or they recently stole a bunch of accounts from people gullible enough to buy gold from them.

I don’t think anybody would name their account: ihhvuggyibhjvgugu lol

Biohazard.7523:

So does anyone know if we will get that in expansion ? are they working on it ?

It wouldn’t be “part” of the expansion only cause it would be a part of the actual game mechanic. Can it be released prior of the expansion? Maybe. As of now there’s no confirmation on it, which is why we gotta keep this thread alive.

……tybalt is one of the best heros in the game. I can see this current cast that’s with us is a little “meh” but tybalt……well he’s tybalt! He got his own backpack cause people loved him so much.

Then let’s get our voice out there, let’s get Anet to say “it’s in the works” by keeping this thread alive!

New lore about the map were entering would be awesome. Especially for those who don’t know to much about it.

Bloodstealer.5978:

TheFool.4589:

Gold spammers have settled down, so I’m guessing no…

Aye now you mention it, it does seem to have dropped off a bit
Though strangely enough today I had my first spoof mail in game saying the usual account is going to be banned in 24 hours, click link blah blah blah…

Honestly no joke, it’s the best way to find out if the games at an extremely low price.

Gold spammers have settled down, so I’m guessing no…

I know it’s been said before, but why don’t you guys make a Food And Utlity slots? So many times I’ll run a dungeon with food and utilities only to not realize they ran out. My suggestion is give us spots where we can put a stack of food/utilities that automatically renew.
For example if I put my halo in the utility slot, since it’s unlimited use, it will automatically renew when the timer ends so long as it’s in the slot.
If I put a stack of 10 sharpening stones and 10 stacks of food, it will keep renewing until the stack runs out.
Also, when you guys do this, add a check box as a on/off switch.

Yay or Nay?

I once too had a dream…

Hiya! I’m posting this here to see if anyone remembers us. We have been around since day one, and one of our leaders was one of the first to get sunrise on Kaineng. (can’t say his name) If this rings a bell please do say so, we would like to get a lot of our old guildies back.

This is my guild, i just want to know when we officially started it. It only goes back to when guild missions were introduced….

Is there anyway to check how long a guild has been around?

Seishiro.7468:

This year we will reach the third birthday for our characters, that were created at the original launch of GW-2, the question is: will the birthday presents this year be anything usefull?
I don’t know about you guys, but I have over a dozen “level a character to 20” scrolls in my bank and I would wish for something a little more usefull(a few tomes of knowledge would be so much more usefull, for example, I really wish there would be something like a ingame merchant that gave you around 5 tomes of knowledge for each lvl 20 scroll you give him)
What would you guys think about a change like that?

Just ONE level 80 scroll. Once in a lifetime deal. That would be nice.

Mirta.5029:

TheFool.4589:

I’m still trying to figure out how people got to lvl 11 fractals and STILL don’t know what to do.

11 isn’t that high. I always considered 1 to 20 to be noob friendly.

Yes but it’s lvl 11. You have to do 1-10 to get there. How can you play the same thing 10 times and still have no idea what you’re doing?

1,185 hrs and 25mins. 994 hrs on my theif alone. Going for incenirator. 0 pre drops.

I’m still trying to figure out how people got to lvl 11 fractals and STILL don’t know what to do.