Guild Wars 2

What everyone here have said already.
Even though i didnt leave yet i will, i get bored very easelly of grinding when i know it was all for nothing since in x ammount of time ill have to do it again in the same game.

add to tha l80 warr full exotic LFG… it goes on and on and on, im glad ppl are finally waking up, we told them that this was going to happen and they said it was certainly not.

Manizach, the charr area was pretty mediocre and fails more than any other dungeon ive experienced so far, maybe ill see more.

ive just seen this right now, asking if fully level 80 and exotic and offered to take someone else place in my party…. ofc we are all so that didnt work out for him, but i doubt everyone is exotic and this situation can be very realistic.

Who agrees with this guys? i played it, and i see 0 reason why i should play this for higher stats, i wouldve had as much fun if not more if i knew this was just cosmetic grind.

You also can say u disagree btw.

Realistically i think the current system doesnt work very well and party members are not encouraged to stick as a team when everyone has the same roles, “be self sufficient”
the normal class system worked in GW1 pretty well and i think it can work here too, since uve already added Gear grinding now u can also think about this option, i know many ppl who have quit the game because there was no real monk, there was no real tank and were unsatisfied with ele/ warrior alternative.

nvmvoidrays.2158:

it would’ve (and already started happening) regardless of ascended gear being added or not. i saw people doing it for the mad king dungeon; i saw people doing it for certain explorable paths.

this shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. people did it in GW1 as well.

Lol mate, u didnt really think that one through did u? the only way ppl would ask for gear check would be in storymode.

I find it funny u make such an uninformed claim when in reality it was build check instead, and builds were non grindable and very easelly obtained.

Lol, all i get from this letter is:
Cause: My ranger is buffed and now i feel happy because i dont loose vs others.

Conclusion: Thank you anet for everything uve ever done, GW1 is boring and what not.

You know that u will get flamed because u just asked for it saying GW1 is boring, i say ur Post oh sorry… i meant “Letter” is boring and GW1 was fine.

“No challenge! we want more grind and better Gear”
3 days later
“Anet what are u doing?! u must stop elitism from spreading out!”

U guys seriously are funny, anet lied to their costumers to make ppl like u happy for grind and now ure complaining about it.

And frankly speaking, i would never date to hinder my team with my level 44 thief on this dungeon, i get in it with the best stats i can get to make it easier, not harder, took me 2 hours and 30 with pugs to get 15 fractals.

i played 3 of them, the charr one, the hammer one and the ppl thrown in the lava one, all pretty standard, hammer one is fun with a good group but terrible with pubs that dont listen, the charr one was pretty mediocre.

So far im not impressed, i need to play more to see more, but i see ppl on level 3 difficulty and still only have 5 fractal per run, i dont see myself repeating the same dungeon 100 times 2 higher stat gear pieces, i still prefer CoE to all 3 of them.

UnderdogSMO.9428:

Dragula.9613:

Chasan.3521:

And the gear grind starts… Time to find another game it seems

This is exactly how I feel… Kitten this

gear grind or not good luck finding an MMO that has one so small.

Who told you this is so small? where did u get this information from? i would honestly like to know.

Besides, small grind or not, i would like to see u not finding better alternatives.

lets check back in a few months =)
Most ppl will log for a 1 time event, myself included, i will also log for the dungeon, i will quite possibly return to DDO after that and most ppl willl return back to their MMORPG of choice and come at the forums say no challenge!

Lazarus.1083:

TheWarKeeper.5374:

0, i told them to back off and keep in DDO, one even told me meh i was about to buy it i already had the money ready, i told him u lost nothing stick in DDO ull find it better right now, they are making this a grind game so whats the difference.

I basically did the same, A few DDO friends wanted to try. Told them to stay where they were.
Although ascended isn’t making a big difference to me yet.. I play multiple alts , trying to get the feel for the game and it’s professions..
I’m in no hurry to get to 80 yet or grind for skins/stats I hate the grind (along with the bugs and massive unneeded nerfs) , which is why I dropped DDO for something new and different. Now the major differences are only graphic.. Bugs, nerfs and grind are abound.

I’ll play until I hit the grind fest , and then decide what to do. I’m still bothered by the way this game is going.

Time will tell.

exactly the same as me then, i too have alts and planed to max them up to enjoy the most that this game had to offer, im not a person who is going to accept beying limited by 1 char and waste my life pressing the same button combination for all eternity for the sake of gear “progression”, it doesnt work like that with me.

in DDO i have a maxed (level 20) sorcerer and paladin, my only complaint so far about paladin and other melee weapons in its game was that the animation of the skills affected nothing for the animation of the character itself, it just kept doing the same animation over and over and over that bored me a bit too, the adventure part and dungeon part however is much more advanced than this was or is, it really made me enjoy the dungeons in that game, it was like an adventure game with your buds and not the same repetitive crap u see in most mmorpgs, kill this, kill that and dungeon done… thats why i think when this game enters that market, it wont stand a chance.

Btw i know now u have epic levels, i just dont have any information about it because i didnt play the game for quite a while.

camoflaugz.5031:

Kathmandu.2417:

The same here: wanted to invite two friends but read about the treadmill beginning and didn’t. They do not have more time for grind as I have, so why bother?

Still sounds like revenge to me.. The grind comes nowhere near other MMO’s that most people play right now. Most of the people that say they played wow etc never even played wow long enough and I can tell by reading their posts. Real wow players know that the grind comes from loot being random and competition on rolls and daily and weekly caps. Nobody has ever mentioned that GW2’s system doesn’t work like that. So how can the grind be anything close to that?

It doesnt matter if its mild grind, grind is Grind, nothing u can do or say will make up for that, DDO and WoW beats this game in grind, and for your information, in DDO u can get very high end items by crafting then with a very high chance of achieving those items, DDO also has a system where it limits how much time u play the high end content, so they make up for that with very good loot which u can craft sooner than u might think.

And FYI gw2 system does work like that, for all the irrevelant gear u get a pretty high chance of drop, now the exotic is included in that list, it only does not work exactly like that for max stats now, that means ascended, instead u are assured u will be forced into grinding it, infact u wont even be able to buy them off TP, u will literally be forced to grind them urself with no matter how much gold u have, futhermore i played WoW untill reaching level 60 which was max by that time, after i grinded for max stats gear i had nothing else to do got bored of the grind system as the game was clearly all about it, 1 month and few days to reach level 60 was a joke in itself, then i quit, saw GW1 and i decided to give it a try without knowing anything about it, i liked almost all that it had to offer i played it for 4 years and even now i consider it a fine game, ive been grinding in other mmorpgs too.

Natural.7013:

Most of the naysayers to more progression are casuals correct? Also, if a few million bought this game and only a few thousand are upset then very well could be most of you are in the minority.

This game will lose concurrent players without more progression. You literally have to play an hour a week at best and still hit 80 in a month with full exotics. WvW is stale in current form, Spvp is near dead and the current dungeons are boring zergfests with no reward drops. There is hardly anything to do.

They want more then a niche like GW1 was, but I bet it’s gonna be just that without making more things to do that take time to,get. This isn’y Bf3 or CoD, it’s an MMO…make it one.

You dont even know what MMO means and you are lecturing us about what a fail GW1 was and what not, u are free to choose from many numerous MMORPGS (not MMOS…) for the no life gear grinding you want, i go out with my friends, i get to have a job, i have family time too, things that ppl like you dont understand.
I am a programmer myself and this whole gear grinding concept is the easiest thing to program and expect long term results, for me this showing off like a teenie who has the most life to waste means nothing really, in the end ull just be happy to show off ur numbers that in 10 years will mean nothing to anyone as the game is then outdated, in gw1 i started enjoying the game since day 1, please dont insult me and tell me u enjoy grinding, we all know u just enjoy beying done with it and showing off temporarly, its a boring and easy concept that requires no brain just some mild coordination.
This patch already has prooven my point, it was supposed to be a massive patch with alot of things going on, all i see is some mild bugfixes, introduction of other bugs and grind.
Hf with it.

Deth.4109:

LeoXearo.3641:

Because all the GW1 players are killing it.

They cry out against any real character progression at lvl 80 being added despite the biggest complaint about this game being that there isn’t anything worth while to do once you hit the level cap and get %100 map completion.

MMO players need character progression and even though GW2 is supposed to be an MMO (unlike GW1), you run out of ways to progress your character far too quickly.

ive been fully geared and 100% map completed since month 1 and i have nothing else to do but farm gold…….. and btw i dont think legendarrys are that cool espeically since my favorite profession cant use the ones i want. basically pve in this game has nothing to make a player say im gonna log on and do X today, at least with ascendeds beign added every patch along with new content ill have some real objectives.

You will have some real objectives? and what are those objectives?

ThiBash.5634:

Yes, let’s merge all the feedback so the developers will just have to ignore one thread instead of dozens.

Good call.

You know thibash that was exactly what i was thinking, we are talking to the air and nobody but the mods visit this thread.

Guys, guys, why are you all so worried? you dont need bug fixes wth u talking about, you need gear progression, and its coming for u, after all this is what you wanted and this is what you will get, a game that no longer requires quality, imagination, additions of skills, pretty skins and whatever else is needed to give you a very good reason why you should care about the new content, all that is in the past, now you will have some mild eyecandy in the first few patches and then just senseless grind, just as you asked, hf guys and stop bashing the game.

Syde.8213:

if phantasm skill fail (blind..) it goes on CD or less time like interrupt?^

No it goes on full CD as if u used the skill without actually having anything for it.

I just did it guys, first match i join, i cast the phantasmal berserker on a warrior sitting on stairs, i even jump to do it and then it says obstructed when the path is clear and my phantasm fails.

Alright guys ill ask my opponents in spvp if they exausted their dodges so ican start attacking them, semms like the only plan.

I can confirm it too, i get 1k 2k damage instead of 3k 4k, this is freaking absurd to miss so many hits for no reason it wasnt like this before.

Or maybe i did and i just didnt bother to check, dunno, all i know is i want this fixed.

So… everytime a player gets downed u cant cast a phantasm on him because he is temporarly invulnerable and u have to wait the full CD for it again? Everytime u are blinded u have to deblind urself to use these skills again? waht if u are blinded every second? Everytime someone dodges your attacks, your phantasms fail? is this supposed to be some sort of a joke? lol

So let me get this traight, i am going to play CoE, i have this “evolved” destroyer invulnerable pretty much 80% of the fight, now i will no longer be able to cast damage before its crappy shield is down?
This is an excelent patch that adds excelence in balance, geesh i gotta be carefull now, one day alpha will come here and complain about my blink ability.

0, i told them to back off and keep in DDO, one even told me meh i was about to buy it i already had the money ready, i told him u lost nothing stick in DDO ull find it better right now, they are making this a grind game so whats the difference.

I have done 3 dungeon runs in COE and i have got 0 charged cores, i believe they have nerfed the charged cores/lodestones drop aswell.

I have got nothing but crap so far and if i find some exotic gear ill just sell it or salvage it, i wont need borked stats.

Kript.3291:

You think a game that’s running on its prime would have a “invite friend” event 3 month after release? Swtor did that, but that was 6 month after it came out.

You think a game that’s running on its prime would – despite 10000 posts of whining – add a new tier of gear so people have more things to work towards?

No.

Yep, and now they will temporarly increase the game with WoW players for a short ammount of time and then make them return back to WoW untill new grinding is added, which will force the company to add more grind again.
I for once, talked to my friends and told them to stay in DDO and i told them there was no longer any point in coming here anymore, theres no reason to pay 60€ to get less content, gameplay limitations and boring kill this and kill that, other mmorpg annihilate this game in that area which is why some ppl are going back and i told every of my friends to stay away from the game.

Kript.3291:

You ‘true fan’ alone, aren’t enough to help the game survive. Anet didn’t design the game specific for you, they’ve specifically said they wanted to cater Gw2 to both hardcore and casual gamer. You are only a portion of the target audience. It’s selfish of you to think you are entitled more when everyone paid the same money as you.

GW1 was no gear grinding for all this time and the game survived well, the only problem in the end was the bad skill balance which made most of ppl RQ.

Kript.3291:

So go on. Delete the game. Bye.
Don’t let the door hit you on your way out.

No need to cry mate, ull find alot of ppl doing this grinding with u untill they get bored. (Note that i can play the same cry talk as u)

Kript.3291:

The rest of us will continue to enjoy and support the game whatever happens in the future.

As ive said before hf beeying sheepish, not everyone in this world is ignorant.

Kript.3291:

The rest of us will continue to purchase gem and dedicate ourselves to improve the game. so it doesn’t become one that catered only to a certain type of player,

You are dedicating yourselves to improove the game, this is brilliant!
Lets make the game have grinding, there! we improoved the game
You say that ppl like u make the game to not only care for a certain ammount of people, are u sure about that? all i see from this day will be weak content release and alot of grinding, tell me, what will u do when u farm ur 2 pieces? i can answear that for u, u will go to other games and resume ur grinding there, simple as that.
Furthermore have you even looked at this patch? it was supposed to be a BIG update and it offers almost nothing, just some mild fixes here and there, some class balance, alot of nerfs and so on, u can see ppl are dissapointed with the release notes of this patch, i dont care because when they tak the easy to script grinding content they wont have to focus on making it new and unique, think about what players would like, what innovation to make, “Hey players are bored again, what do we do?” Humm… lets give them 1 eye candy easy to code and more grinding, that should keep WoW grinders satisfied!" and tada, ull get more grind without having to put the devs into the effort of making any innovation or making something really fun that u really want to play even if its just optional, they will instead force u to do it for the sake of grinding and thats just it.

Kript.3291:

who cry and whine more than the real wow fan-boys ever did and ever will.
So weak.

From this post it semms that ure the one whinning instead, u cant even get your logic straight.

Kript.3291:

9300 tears and counting – give it a rest.

Those who wish to delete their account, do it. You proclaimed yourself a true fan and declare anyone else who hasn’t played Gw1, who doesn’t like horizontal progression and who wants to give the new tier a shot a wow locust/fanboy/whatever you wanna call it.

You know what’s ironic though? These “wow locust” paid the same money as you, contributed the same amount of dedication – if not, more – as you, and unlike you they are willing to give the new feature a shot and try new things, while you rage at the Devs for trying to look after the players who want different things.

The only dedication people like u provided was to change the game state because u didnt like the way it was, why did u buy it then? u should have stayed in WoW instead of making other mmorpgs WoW clones.
Also ur statement is mind boggling when you say the devs are trying to look for different things when in reality they ruined different with the same mediocricy u find in other games, except with the current state of the game it will be eaten alive by other mmorpg companies now that they are directly competing with them, if the devs tought this was a good way to earn fast cash and work less they were wrong, now they will have to work just as much and blend the normal mmorpg crowds offering just an alternative to do the same since u see grind in all of them.

Kript.3291:

We all signed up for the same thing. We are all the same audience, that has been promised the same deal when we paid for this game – no gear treadmill, no gear-based pvp. What you think when we bought the game we – the people who support the change – were expecting to play a game like wow?

You signed up for the same thing and now u want the game changed, you say u are the same audience as us when in reality you are an entirely different one, you talk that u did not expect this but u welcome it, its a bunch of contradictory speech u need to work on a little better.

Kript.3291:

No. We were intrigued by the idea of a game without endgame progression. Not everyone of us liked wow. Not everyone of us played wow. And yet while most others are willing to believe in Anet’s promise that they won’t be releasing a new tier every 3 month, only you – the self proclaimed ‘true fan’ – somehow felt like you’ve been cheated.

We dont care what u believe and ur opinion here is not above others, u are free to be as sheepish as u want to be, dont look for other ppl to turn into u though.
I for once do not even care about anet promisse to not be releasing new tiers every 3 months, they have lied and thats final, nothing they can say now is going to make up for that fact, nor u, as for they wont be releasing tiers in 3 months, ure right, they probably wont, maybe in 4.

Kript.3291:

Most of us – those who support the change and want to see how everything works out – are not interested in the new gear. At least I’m pretty sure I’m not going to get it. I’m just gonna stick with my exotic gear for now. What we wanted, is to see the game that we loved change, evolve and hopefully survive. We want to support Anet and the future development of Gw2. We didn’t come only for some shallow promise – at least I know I didn’t – we came for a rich world created by a company that at least listen and communicate with the players. We came here to support them.

Most of u who support the change are not interested in the change, you are full of logic today.

Kript.3291:

However, after trying for three month, some people are getting tired of doing the same two DE and running the same dungeon over and over again for exotic gears that we already have, do Spvp that’s filled to the brim with Mesmer, warrior and thieves, waiting for the tornument that never starts and dealing with coattail riders crying and trolling in WvW.
And the population must have reflected this.

I wasnt getting tired, and a content update without new gear STATS would have sufficed just as much, sorry u fail to make a point.
And no not really ive not seen 1 guy say hes already bored of the game so far, and i spoke to alot of guilds.

Loosifah.4739:

Because I’m actually staying with the game I enjoy and I’m here for discussion. All of you are just whining “I’m leaving” repeatedly and not doing it.

How can u say you are here for discussion when ure just about to start a flame war?

Darknass.1903:

aliksyian.7642:

They should be able to make more difficult content without mandating more powerful gear. If the monsters gain 100 damage and your new gear lets you ignore 100 more damage per hit, you haven’t really moved anywhere. And that’s the treadmill metaphor is apt.

Just thought I’d point that out, since a lot of people seem to have bought into the “need new gear to do harder content” myth.

So based off your logic we should be able to do level 80 content in level 1 gear?

Your interpretation of his logic is irrational, i dont see anywhere in his post suggesting u should be able to do level 80 content with no level gear requirements.

Ok this thread is no longer needed, other ppl already have posted what happens 30 mins before me so i apologize for double post.

you can find the older thread there, mods plz kill this one

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Bjarl-bugged-COE-path-1/first#post748199

GG! my flame turret had to be nerfed because of some fast attacking skills, beatifull! the only tihng that made me feel safe in the turret departament now nerfed by 100% in tick rate and added a pathetic 1 more second, which means 1 thing:

You get 3 ticks instead of 5, its as simple as that and theres nothing anet will be able to say to make it sound otherwise.

yes, and the bug fixes that mattered the most, you have “should” instead of “is”

Guys we should stick to 1 thread, i made that one because i tought there wasnt one already, stick to 1 and let the other die, i hate having multithreads about the same thing.

Whats even more funny is that tornado has been nerfed even more! i actually laughed when ive seen that.

Elementalist
Ride the Lightning: This skill should now track moving enemies more reliably.
Magnetic Grasp: This skill should now track moving enemies more reliably and end correctly when you reach your target.
Evasive Arcana: This trait no longer creates unintended blast finishers.
Ether Renewal: This skill’s cast time has been reduced from 4.75 to 3.5 seconds. There is no change to the total amount of healing.
Healing Rain: This skill’s tooltip now states the correct duration of 6 seconds.
Armor of Earth: This skill’s tooltip now states the correct duration of 6 seconds.
Churning Earth: This skill’s description no longer references “hold and release.”
Signets of Earth, Air, Fire, and Water: These skills should now have a cast animation while wielding a Fiery Greatsword.
Ring of Fire: This skill on Conjure Flame now lists itself as a Fire combo field.
Dragon’s Tooth: The blast finisher for this skill now triggers at the spell location rather than the character’s location.
Magnetic Wave: This skill’s missile-reflect portion now has an accompanying icon.
Phoenix: This skill’s tooltip now states the correct duration of 5 seconds of vigor that this skill applies.
Blasting Staff and Geomancer’s Alacrity: These traits now work together for the Eruption skill.
Mist Form: This skill now works with the Water Magic trait Cantrip Mastery.
Soothing Wave: This skill now properly applies regeneration to the elementalist when using Conjure Frost rather than only when the bow is picked up.
Healing Ripple: This skill’s scaling with healing power has been reduced by 50% in PvP only, as it had scaling that’s normally reserved for main healing skills. The maximum number of targets has also been reduced from infinite to 5.
Obsidian Focus: This Earth Magic trait now grants toughness when channeling the Stone Shards skill.
Ice Spike: This skill’s tooltip now states the correct amount of vulnerability when traited.
Conjure Frost Bow’s Deep Freeze: This skill now applies 1 second of chill per pulse, preventing extreme stacking of chill on a target.
Conjure Frost Bow’s Ice Storm: This skill now applies 5 seconds of bleeding per hit instead of confusion.
Tidal Wave: This skill’s responsiveness has been improved.
Tornado: Leaving this elite skill now removes the stability it grants in order to make it consistent with other elite transformation abilities.
Vapor Form: Fixed a bug that allowed this skill to contest a capture point.
Flame Axe: This weapon now grants the wielder power and condition damage.
Frost Bow: This weapon now grants the wielder increased condition duration and increased healing power.
Fiery Greatsword: This weapon now grants the wielder power and condition damage.
Magnetic Shield: This weapon now grants the wielder vitality and toughness.
Lightning Hammer: This weapon now grants the wielder increased precision and critical damage.

Enjoy the nerfs and see you ingame!

Loosifah.4739:

TheWarKeeper.5374:

180 pages with uninformed ppl asking why we dont want this game to turn into WoW or DDO and ppl disagreeing, needlless to say the latter is the overwhelming crowd, hopefully they will clear this shamefull mess and never again talk about implementing gear grinding in this specific game nor its expansion packs to come.

This game has nothing in common with WoW or DDO; all that’s happening is a new tier of equipment.

Your rationalization that a new tier = turning into WoW is just making assumptions.

I am not going to teach you how other mmorpgs work, common sense will do that for you, have a nice day.

180 pages with uninformed ppl asking why we dont want this game to turn into WoW or DDO and ppl disagreeing, needlless to say the latter is the overwhelming crowd, hopefully they will clear this shamefull mess and never again talk about implementing gear grinding in this specific game nor its expansion packs to come.

Namu.5712:

Urxx.6840:

Loosifah.4739:

Urxx.6840:

Snerf.1650:

Loosifah.4739:

I can tell you now they’re not going to scrap Ascension gear and infusions. It won’t be added in sPvP and tPvP, but it’s coming.

So you guys have 2 choices.

a> grin and bear it, and hope they keep their word about no gear treadmill

or

b> leave and if you’re from europe try to get a refund after 600+ hours(which I think is stupid that you can do that).

There are a third option, and it’s the one we prefer.

Let them know through the official forums in a clear, respectful manor why we disagree with the design choice in the time leading up to and immediately after the implementation.

I’m not advocating something ridiculous like trying to get a refund on a product someone has already spent many presumably enjoyable hours on.

But letting a company know why you are dissatisfied with their product has a lot of value to the company.

I don’t think that’s ridiculous. If it turns out the product I bought is not the one that was advertised to me, I have every right to stop using that product and get my money back.

So by adding a new tier of equipment it’s not what they advertized and you should get a full refund after you’ve cost them money by hosting the servers for you to play on for 600 hours? Nice logic.

For me that extra tier means I can’t enjoy the game anymore. I bought the game based on the fact they advertised that there wasn’t nor the would have been vertical gear progression in the game. I can tell you for sure I wouldn’t have bought it otherwise.

If they break their part of the sale contract, the fundamental characteristics of the good or service, I can break mine, which is the compensation.

That said, if I wanted my money I wouldn’t have bought the game in the first place. So I still hope they retract and I can get the game I was promised.

I am sorry but when you buy a console game or rpg/single player or even multiplayer game you cant get a refund after 3 months of playing because you decided the update they made wasn’t in line with what they said a year or two ago.

You purchased a product you did not however purchase a service.

And trying to prove you were lied to based on your take on words in an announcement based on a patch that isn’t even technically released yet is laughable.

Good luck with that in court eyeroll

You can try to discourge ppl as much as you want, in europe the laws are different and costumers are respected, when you buy something online, you will have alot more law protections to make that refund possible, im not sure how it works in American continent, but the laws of America Costumer Support does not apply in EU, furthermore ppl have been refunded since yesterday.

With the availability of a superior tier gear, people will trash their exotics away for whatever reason they see fit, the same way ppl trash yellows when the exotics have the same stats but better.

Yes OP you are right, the casual player really is what you want the casual player to be.
You were making a failed attempt to try to educate casual players into forgetting they were lied to and start playing your way because thats what you wanted, i do not agree and i feel insulted.

Dedalus.3065:

Crater.1625:

Dedalus.3065:

Once again, I cannot be certain that this will be the way. I could very well be wrong and it will be a huge grind. As I’ve stated in my previous posts, with lack of certainty you must embrace possibilities.

There isn’t really a lack of certainty, either. They’ve explicitly stated that the Ascended Rings will come from the FotM dungeon (here’s hoping that doesn’t become one of those oddly-appropriate acronyms), and the back braces are obtained through special Mystic Forge recipes.

So the Ascended Rings are going to impose more of a requirement that the player participate in a specific kind of content than Exotics do, and the Ascended back braces may or may not require the player to split his or her efforts between different gameplay modes. All of them are practically guaranteed to require more time and effort to acquire than their Exotic equivalents.

Actually, If I’m not mistaken or if I’m lacking a different source, they said that you can acquire the ring from the dungeon. They didn’t state that it’s the only way, nor that you will have to do the dungeon a certain amount of times. Granted, based on previous experience in this game, one would not be entirely with fault for assuming that one would have to do this dungeon many times. But since they have said that there will be mystic forge recipes, I believe that their utmost intention is to spread the requirements for BiS, as I’ve stated, to reduce the feeling of grind. If this is indeed their intention, then it would not be one’s fault to assume that there won’t be a severe grind for the new tier. Add along to this, the fact that the new dungeon will be more randomized, and you’ll have a way of gaining the BiS that’s not a grind.

I find it humorous that the Ascended gear was probably a response to people feeling that exotic gear was too grindy, and then everyone assumes that there will be even more grind. However, as I’ve said before, people are not with fault for assuming this. But I still think that since these developers have provided an entertaining product, that they deserve some trust and not utmost and fast dismissal of their integrity and legitimacy.

Hopefully, after this patch, new people trying to get the BiS will not feel the grind that we felt the first time we got our exotics.

Ur logic is all over the floor, they added this because exotic was too easy, u will actually grind ALOT more for these than u do for exotics, its intended and officially stated, u will get the illusion u grind less, quite possibly because ull take half the time u did to get a full exotic set and jewelry wasted into 2 mediocre pieces called “ascended”.
So no, by no means this is a funner way to get exotics nor it can patch the past by making us grind more in the future despite the fact that we already grinded for it. Its simply contradictory and irrational to even think about it that way, youre right about 1 thing though, the remaining ppl bothering with the game will not feel the grind that we did, they will feel it worse.

Dedalus.3065:

SiNoS.2147:

Dedalus.3065:

SiNoS.2147:

Dedalus.3065:

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IceCold.5172:

I personally is looking forward to a new dungeon. And the new gear. Cant see what the fuzz is all about if people dont want to grind DONT do it. Stop kittening and whining like little kids lol.

The problem here is that someone with a full set of ascended will have quite higher stats. For example 1000+ hp, 5%+ crit chance, 30%+ crit damage. Those are examples but over all each piece will give you 8% more stats. When some items are over 100 stats already that 8% is massive in power boost. This is what people dont realize. In order to stay useful you will have to grind.

Well, the fact of the matter is that you can’t know that. I’m not saying that it’s impossible that we will have to grind, but I’m saying that it’s possible that we don’t have to grind. I mean everyone here says that GW2 is about enjoying the journey, playing for fun and all that. What if the recipes for the ascended gear will only require things you get from having fun playing the game? I mean exotic gear right now is pretty much grindy, and people expect a new gear tier to be more of the same. What if this new gear tier is the developers way of remedying for their mistakes with the grind involved in the acquisition of exotic gear?

There are multiple ways of approach to this new patch; either you assume the worst, assume the best, or you wait and see what the developers have in mind.

This new tier is being put in so gear grinders have something to grind. According to how they have covered it this new gear is going to take time. More so than exotic’s, and less than legendary’s in order to try to hold off the content locust. So by that we can assume its infact not easy to get this gear, and will infact be time consuming in order to grind it out.

They stated that the tier is between exotic’s and legendaries, correct. But you must remember that there’s a big difference in the acquisition of legendaries and exotics. For legendaries, you need to grind every part of the game. For exotics, you need to grind one part of the game. Their goal could very well be to eliminate the grind that exotics require by spreading it out across all aspects of the game (like legendaries).

Which forces me to grind content i do not want to do. Any way you look at it is a massive time sink into content you may not like. I have dabbled in about everything out there. I personally do have area’s i will not touch ever again. If it forces me into these area’s i will leave. Thing is im not alown here. A large core of players will do the same thing.

But the main selling point of GW2 end game was that the entire game was the end game. Isn’t it logical then that the rewards for experiencing the end game covers all of it? And I know that you will say that the reward for experiencing the end game is fun, but the previous reward was actually exotic gear, but the acquisition of exotic gear is flawed since it didn’t cover the entire end game. And I have to ask another thing, is doing a dungeon once considered grinding?

Exactly, the main selling point of GW2 was the end game, u reached it quick and then u were free to do whatever u wanted from there, now they have upped the end game so we have to reach end game again.
If its logical for the rewards for experiencing the end game covers all of it? u mean better stats? no because then its no longer the end game and still your work in progress to achieve it.
As for the dungeon question, where did u get this information from? if its just a random question then i cant help u sorry.

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Crater.1625:

Dedalus.3065:

What if the recipes for the ascended gear will only require things you get from having fun playing the game? I mean exotic gear right now is pretty much grindy, and people expect a new gear tier to be more of the same. What if this new gear tier is the developers way of remedying for their mistakes with the grind involved in the acquisition of exotic gear?

There are multiple ways of approach to this new patch; either you assume the worst, assume the best, or you wait and see what the developers have in mind.

The original blog post specifically says that part of the reason for rolling out Ascended gear is that players had finished getting Exotic gear “much sooner than [ArenaNet] expected”.
The dev comment in this thread states that Ascended gear is intended to not have a “massive jump in reward” between them and Legendaries. Since we know that there is currently zero mechanical reward for having a Legendary, one can only infer that this is talking about a “massive jump” in the acquisition time/effort.

It’s not assuming anything to think that Ascended gear is going to be more of a grind than Exotic gear. It’s basically a stated design goal.

People finished it faster because they grinded it out, Anets intention could be to introduce a new tier in order to reduce the grind that exotics require. You think that the only aspect that differentiates exotics from legendaries is time and grind. Whilst it is true that legendaries do require more time and grind, it is not true that it is the only aspect that seperates them from exotics. Legendaries currently require materials, karma, experience, money, dungeon tokens, basically everything the game has to offer. Exotic gear can however be gained through only repeating dungeon runs, or only farming karma, or only buying it from the TP. Doing a single thing over and over again is what constitutes a grind. Spreading the requirements for the new gear alike a legendary (I.e. covering all aspects of the PvE game), ensures that it will feel like less of a grind.

Once again, I cannot be certain that this will be the way. I could very well be wrong and it will be a huge grind. As I’ve stated in my previous posts, with lack of certainty you must embrace possibilities.

I like your logic, so besides ur speculation about anet reducing grind in ascended beying false as youve just stated they want u to grind more, this helps us grind less because we already grinded enough for the exotics and now we grind again, dat makes sense.

As ive said before, because u are uncertain doesnt mean that everyone around u doesnt have to be aswell, we can read what they say and what they want to do with the game.

Xpiher.5209:

ANET needs to clarify if ascended gear is the final gear tier (stat wise) and if Agony resistance attained from FOTM will be required to successfully do any future content. If you agree click on the link in my sig

They said ascended isnt, when soemone says we wont be adding new stats every 3 months it means that they will indeed add more stats.

The same way i could ask u if u skip school more times and you tell me i wont skip school everyday.

Cyric.7485:

I swear this community goes into a tear streaked uproar over every single new thing ANet implements. I can’t recall a single update/patch yet that didn’t have a river of tears behind it…

The way I understand this whole “gear progression” update is simple, they’re putting in a tier between Exotic and Legendary so people have something semi-difficult to strive for instead of being gear capped in a week (if that, lol) and having to grind for months (with the exception of the hardcore players) for Legendary weapons. I almost expect Ascended gear and Exotic gear to be interchangeable due to their respective “upgrade/infusion” slots in relation to this whole Agony business.

Are they going against their manifesto? Not really. IMO, they’re just trying to add some flavor to the game. At the very least, wait until it’s actually in the game (the patch is coming regardless of the QQ on the forums) and you see the positive/negative effects it presents before you throw a tantrum about it.

Your statement is false for the fact that legendaries have exactly the same stats as exotics, the middle term for both? well there are some exotics worth way over 20 gold, i think those are there for a reason, the gap was never there, but u believed it, well done sir.
And yes they are going against their anti power creep talk.

Personally i want this ascended stuff shelved and never again ever hear about gear with stats that are superior to max stats, i want to relax and play the game i liked for all these years, if i wanted grinding i can assure u this game stand no chance vs games like WoW and DDO, i already see too many faults in this game to be able to ever compete with titles like those.

or better yet, play Guild Wars 1 and remember why u advertised GW2 the same.

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Urxx.6840:

The idea of agony/infusion was taken from GW1, but the fundamental difference was that there you could infuse any max level armor by doing a mission. You dind’t need a new special tier of rarity.

Well it seems that you can infuse any max level armor in GW2 too. It’s just that the definition of max level armor changes with this patch.

Any armor could be infused in GW1. Not just max.

Not only any armor could be infused in GW1, but any armor from any world of it could, all u had to do was to a mission which takes less than 1 hour and bam, ure now practically immune with ur max stat armor.

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TheWarKeeper.5374:

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SiNoS.2147:

IceCold.5172:

I personally is looking forward to a new dungeon. And the new gear. Cant see what the fuzz is all about if people dont want to grind DONT do it. Stop kittening and whining like little kids lol.

The problem here is that someone with a full set of ascended will have quite higher stats. For example 1000+ hp, 5%+ crit chance, 30%+ crit damage. Those are examples but over all each piece will give you 8% more stats. When some items are over 100 stats already that 8% is massive in power boost. This is what people dont realize. In order to stay useful you will have to grind.

Well, the fact of the matter is that you can’t know that. I’m not saying that it’s impossible that we will have to grind, but I’m saying that it’s possible that we don’t have to grind. I mean everyone here says that GW2 is about enjoying the journey, playing for fun and all that. What if the recipes for the ascended gear will only require things you get from having fun playing the game? I mean exotic gear right now is pretty much grindy, and people expect a new gear tier to be more of the same. What if this new gear tier is the developers way of remedying for their mistakes with the grind involved in the acquisition of exotic gear?

There are multiple ways of approach to this new patch; either you assume the worst, assume the best, or you wait and see what the developers have in mind.

Alright, what if people are just trying to do the other dungeons? what if they want to go with their alt in another part of that dungeon rather than grind it all over again just so he/she is able to join his/her party?
Also, we can know that, it has been already officially stated there will be more gear grind in the future, a middle term, to poor of a grind for grinders to enjoy, too broken for casual players who just want to do the high end content they were promissed they were able without gear grinding.

Once again, you can’t know any of that for sure. They said that they will add a new gear tier (ascended), you don’t know if they will add another or not. And even if they did, you still wouldn’t know how hard it would be to acquire it. Maybe you would just have to do the dungeon once, maybe not.

You must understand why they added a new tier, and right now you think it’s because some people complained on the forums. I think differently but whatever (I already expressed my thoughts on the previous page), let’s assume that what you say is true and that the forums were the cause. Then you don’t have anything to worry about. Now don’t think that I’m saying that you should go whine as much as possible because then the developers will listen. What one should do in the case of lack of certainty, is to embrace possibilities and simply state that “IF the game becomes like this, or IF there is a major grind, then I will be displeased”, not to assume something and quit altogether.

Yes i do know because they said they will, just not every 3 months, read their replies before asking or making these statements please.
They have added gear by popular demand of the annihilation of the only thing that was Guild Wars like, after this is changed, theres absolutely 0 that makes this game in any way similar to Guild Wars.
Theres is no and never was any need for more gear grinding, softening up with u get 2 pieces now and 3 pieces later is not a bait im going to fall for because in the end i grinded for it.
I do not have to know for certain, when you are the one who is in doubt, i think this is easy to understand.

StankyUndies.9236:

http://youtu.be/yGEQgwyao-E

That’s what I’m getting, sorry about the quality but at least you can see what I’m getting when I use the launcher. Now I’ve found I can actually play the game with none of the “tearing” but when I load a map it’ll tear and go to the desktop. As far as Pc spec what all do you need?
Windows 7 64 bit
8gb Ram
Amd radeon HD 6800 series
intel core 2 quad CPU Q9500 @ 2.83 Ghz

Anything else?
Monitor is a 24" Samsung series 3 s24b300el

If you need a better vid I could send from the phone, not too sure why it cuts in and out of audio like that.

Also it’s running at 37 degrees celsius

Ok good so its an ATI card, uninstall ur drivers select express uninstall and select that uwant to loose all ur settings, reinstall the latest ones from the amd website and try again.

Ensio.8172:

So, when Anet said that there would be a gear “plateau”, everyone just assumed it would be the exotic quality items?

Given how easy it is to obtain an all exotic set, wouldn’t it be a bit silly to make that assumption to begin with?

It seems to me that the ascended (and later legendary) quality is the actual “plateau”.

Or did Anet actually state at some point exotic quality would be the highest tier?

Nope not really, if u ever played gw1, u could get max stats in 1 day without much of an effort.