All WvW players and WvW guilds want now are fights.
You get more fights in the top tier servers.
So they are moving up to those servers.
Simply put it’s another nail in the coffin of WvW.
FA and DB seem to be different IME. Not that people don’t like to fight, and not that there aren’t people who just want to fight. But both have people that are trying to win the match rather than uniblob against the competing servers in the middle of an open field for no reason. I know there is server pride on FA. It might not be server pride on DB, but it feels like it.
Are you saying that the other servers aren’t blob mentality? Look at any other server and you will see the exact same thing. Every server has pugmanders tag that will have lots of people on it. But the lack of individual guild groups that are willing to run separately is dwindling on ever server. But to single FA and DB out as blob servers, you are being blind.
I didn’t single FA and DB out as blob servers. I said the exact opposite. I think you may be the one that needs your vision checked.
Usually if you don’t panic, it is manageable. Most times if you fight or run (as you would if you weren’t Moa’d) it is an inconvenience rather than a death sentence. It is a worse for a Necro getting its shroud disrupted, but usually that is only a big problem when your normal health is really low.
But a Mesmer Night with 20 people running Moa is awesome and makes it worth being on the other side of it sometimes. I just wish Moa’ed people dropped poultry meat when they died.
This is a really cool idea. With the addition of the staff as a melee weapon via revenant and daredevil, having the spears (and tridents) available on land as staff skins would be a great addition.
Even cooler… Change the guy you donate mats to in the guild hall into a fountain and have a shark jump out and bite off your left arm when you interact with it.
Speaking as someone on TC actually involved and pays attention to the WvW organization. . . .TC was not stacked before the alliance came over. The alliance coming over brought it to more of an even number across those in T1 at the time, despite the few guilds who left.
Last year, you could get regular (not gemstore) dyes from the kit and sell them. The best one you could sell was 10 gold ish. That was a good bonus yo those of us dye collectors who have supported anet through the gem store.
However, that did get patched. Now all you can do is salvage the due for some pigments. It’s pretty crappy.
My bet for this birthday gift is an immortal weapon skin. Nobody has a full set of them the most you could have do far is like 5 & they are gemstore skins with no associated achievement.
I really hope not, I have 2 of those skins in boxes and I really don’t care for them but besides that, I would hope a 4th year item is unique, not just part of a gem store series.
A new riding toy would be awesome. Now that they can be used in WvW I keep the broom, ascender and carpet in shared slots. Who needs siege anyway?!
I just thought of the perfect thing – a rideable Traherne, since we carried him for so long…
The way you’re saying it, you’re making it sound like TC broke even. TC was already stacked when the alliance arrived and the numbers the alliance brought significantly outweighed the number of people that left because of them.
And you’re making it sound like the same thing didn’t happen to DB, face it, they both got stacked to t1 levels. You forget the TC groups that had moved actually went to DB? Plus they gained players and guilds since being open for a few weeks through the links. TC had lost players already before the alliance arrived, when they were forced to t2 by YB which had been caused by the alliance stacking YB.
TC had stacked their way to T1 and outnumbered pretty much everyone along the way.
Outnumbered pretty much everyone along what way? back to t1? where they were outnumbered by BG?
Players had spread out from TC while they were in t2 before the alliance, go look back at the match history, they weren’t blowing out t2 other than a couple of weird weeks, they had a lot of close matches with DB, and DB won quite a few of them.
Population wise they may be similar now, but we won’t know for sure until ioj gets unlinked to see how many actually paid 500gems instead of 1800gems, coverage wise db has more, ppt wise db is doing more. Coverage will always win, that’s been established since day one.
I played that match history. I was playing on FA while TC was stacking before the alliance arrived and had been playing on TC for over two years before that. TC began to dominate when they started stacking. The stacking for advantage was in marked difference to what the rest of the tier was doing and when the alliance jumped on, it even further imbalanced the tier. As mentioned, the group that left TC and went to DB wasn’t large in comparison to what TC gained, and certainly didn’t constitute stacking.
“The simple fact is there is no good reason to not consider that people might have all of something when creating something like the birthday gift, which a lot of people look forward to. And that is all the OP asked for.”
Perhaps some having all of the dyes was taken into account and dismissed as too small of a percentage of the overall population. There’s really no way of knowing for sure. When it all comes down to it, there is no way to please everyone, just as many as possible. Only other option is an in-game mail of “Hey, grats on turning 4 & keep on grinding.” and just be done with it. Everyone gets the same thing and Anet doesn’t have to worry about any of the players having it….right?
“Only other option is an in-game mail of “Hey, grats on turning 4 & keep on grinding.” and just be done with it." – this is one of those poor arguments I’ve been talking about. There are plenty of other options. Quite simple options, using tickets and boxes that give a choice, for example – things prevalent throughout the game which wouldn’t require a significant amount of effort.
The OP handled their disappointment with the 4th year BD present by waiting until this week to ask ANet reconsider their choice in the future. I expressed my opinion about it when it happened, hoped that they would take that into account this year, and then haven’t bought every last dye in a set since.
I don’t have a problem with the OP asking. I don’t have a problem with ANet making the same choice again either.
The fourth BD present was incredibly generous and awesome and I consider myself lucky that I could afford to be in a position where I didn’t need any of the dyes. I don’t think ANet needs to worry about the 10% when figuring out birthday rewards.
Actually, I have posted many times on this subject since the 3rd birthday. If you read my posts, you’ll see that I’ve been consistent about addressing it as a problem with the way they build their reward systems.
Here are just some of my posts on the subject over the last year. I thought the 2nd one was kind of funny but nobody replied to it…
Zephyrite Colour Swatches are account bound, there is literally no way for me to use this dye pack unless they add future dyes to it. Total oversight on their part. Inb4 someone says “entitled you have every dye dont complain about a free gift”
Prices are high because some people invite guests to their complete home instances. And a guild can invest in one, stick it in a home instance on an account, and tromp people through, making back the money sooner, and having a fully stocked home instance as a service to members.
You say that like TC weren’t in t1 for over 2 years before. Yeah they had dropped into t2 for a short period while guilds moved around, but after the first links it was enough to bring them back to t1 as JQ started to falter
What? TC got back into T1 on the back of the kittenters alliance moving there ie stacking before links came in.
What did you think I meant with guilds moved around? they moved in and some guilds left. Even then it took TC more than another month after the link to even get back into t1.
The way you’re saying it, you’re making it sound like TC broke even. TC was already stacked when the alliance arrived and the numbers the alliance brought significantly outweighed the number of people that left because of them.
I use a Naga Hex and Deck Ice 82 (an 82-key keyboard). The Hex has six side buttons – I can’t find a full MMO mouse that is comfortable for me to use.
I still dodge with double tapping keys. Skills 6, 7, 8, 9, and 0 map to 1, 2, 3, 6, 5 on the Naga Hex. Weapon swap is on the tilda key, which is straight down from the W and next to the Spaacebar on a tenkeyless. 4 on the Naga hex is my push-to-talk key. Those are the only maps I can think of.
So, after being unable to play due to some medical stuff, I finally made it back home and to the game. This evening while running around LA, I got a mail that said: “A Gift From (image of Black Lion Emblem).” Included was a 25 pack of BL Keys.
I’ve never received a gift in the game before. At first I thought “Oh wow… Maybe I was like a lucky winner of something from ANet.” But after some time, I got to thinking… perhaps it was from another (possibly anonymous) player?
So, my two questions: 1) Does ANet do things like this. or 2) Was it an anonymous player gift and that’s what the letter head looks like when they do it?
Either way, I’m extremely grateful for the kindness. I’ve been through hell lately, so this was truly a blessing and really elevated my spirits. If it’s not ANet, I have my suspicions on who the wonderful benefactor(s) may be. And I hope they know how much it meant.
That’s awesome. I’m glad for you. I don’t know if Anet does that kind of stuff. It would be cool either way. But if it is friends that care for you, I might lean toward that being even better.
“The simple fact is there is no good reason to not consider that people might have all of something when creating something like the birthday gift, which a lot of people look forward to. And that is all the OP asked for.”
Perhaps some having all of the dyes was taken into account and dismissed as too small of a percentage of the overall population. There’s really no way of knowing for sure. When it all comes down to it, there is no way to please everyone, just as many as possible. Only other option is an in-game mail of “Hey, grats on turning 4 & keep on grinding.” and just be done with it. Everyone gets the same thing and Anet doesn’t have to worry about any of the players having it….right?
“Only other option is an in-game mail of “Hey, grats on turning 4 & keep on grinding.” and just be done with it." – this is one of those poor arguments I’ve been talking about. There are plenty of other options. Quite simple options, using tickets and boxes that give a choice, for example – things prevalent throughout the game which wouldn’t require a significant amount of effort.
The OP handled their disappointment with the 4th year BD present by waiting until this week to ask ANet reconsider their choice in the future. I expressed my opinion about it when it happened, hoped that they would take that into account this year, and then haven’t bought every last dye in a set since.
I don’t have a problem with the OP asking. I don’t have a problem with ANet making the same choice again either.
The fourth BD present was incredibly generous and awesome and I consider myself lucky that I could afford to be in a position where I didn’t need any of the dyes. I don’t think ANet needs to worry about the 10% when figuring out birthday rewards.
You’re entitled to your opinion, and I respect that opinion. I think leaving out 10% is a really high number of your player base to leave out when it would be simple not to. I’d note that I handled my disappointment by not posting at all outside of jokingly replying to someone earlier this week that suggested an award for collecting all the dyes that there was already a reward – disappointment with your third birthday gift.
Other than that, I supported the OP after the first responses (not yours) in this thread consisted of insulting posts about entitlement and inaccuracies about the usability of the dyes if you already have them, followed by hyperbolic statements about the infeasibility of improving the system. Including, pretty awesomely, the argument that there were people out there that had everything and wouldn’t be happy with anything, so there was no use improving the system for anyone.
Somehow “chose to max out their dyes” is being twisted into a reason to get left out of the best part of the birthday gift, like those people did something wrong which makes it justifiable to not consider rectifying the situation. The petty meanness of it is palpable.
No people just choose to not care about your rich kid problems. It’s not petty to not empathize with those who have more than you. It’s entitlement to assume you deserve empathy though.
There is a difference between not caring, and actively attempting to keep something from being done. And “entitlement” is Internet for “I don’t have a rational argument to make so I’ll use this word that i think makes people sound bad.”
Although, based on your post, maybe I’ve been confusing petty meanness with petty jealousy. Which I hope I’m not, because somehow that is even more pathetic.
Wut?
This is just a forum. We aren’t tipping off the devs to deny you a better “free gift”. It’s not our fault if you’re getting flummoxed at the lack of support to your cause or that people think it’s a waste of resources when Anet is clearly stretched thin enough as is.
I’m not flummoxed, though I appreciate the attempt to cast a negative aspersion on me by describing me as such. You get an A+ for oblique insults that won’t draw a mod response. I don’t have a cause, this isn’t my thread. And, if you read the OP, this thread is about asking the devs to not do something similar in the future. I’ve just been pointing out the incredibly poor reasoning being offered by posters in between “entitled” comments.
The OP made a simple post asking that this birthday gift not create the same situation as the last for anyone. And thus began the nonsense that it would be impossible and the string of objections to or in support of things not actually expressed in the thread. e.g. waste of resources when Anet is stretched thin, which was only mentioned by you now, that you said “people” think, but none mentioned in the thread.
The simple fact is there is no good reason to not consider that people might have all of something when creating something like the birthday gift, which a lot of people look forward to. And that is all the OP asked for.
That’s because it is nonsense to say that there is a solution that will please everyone. It is literally impossible to find a gift that will please everyone.
That doesn’t mean that the group not pleased can’t be smaller or at least have an attempt to not be smaller. Or that ANet attempts to please different groups of players each year, so that in the long term, the gifts have a little bit for everyone.
Another argument about something that wasn’t said. Nowhere was it said there was a solution that would please everyone. Just suggestions that would ensure it would make the group smaller.
“The simple fact is there is no good reason to not consider that people might have all of something when creating something like the birthday gift, which a lot of people look forward to. And that is all the OP asked for.”
Perhaps some having all of the dyes was taken into account and dismissed as too small of a percentage of the overall population. There’s really no way of knowing for sure. When it all comes down to it, there is no way to please everyone, just as many as possible. Only other option is an in-game mail of “Hey, grats on turning 4 & keep on grinding.” and just be done with it. Everyone gets the same thing and Anet doesn’t have to worry about any of the players having it….right?
“Only other option is an in-game mail of “Hey, grats on turning 4 & keep on grinding.” and just be done with it." – this is one of those poor arguments I’ve been talking about. There are plenty of other options. Quite simple options, using tickets and boxes that give a choice, for example – things prevalent throughout the game which wouldn’t require a significant amount of effort.
The game has finally returned to people who play the game not the TP. Most could not be happier, at least everyone I play with is, considering the loot was terrible for so long and the price of everything worthwhile was pushed out of the reach of the majority of the player base.
I say great job giving us the game back and making playing the content actually rewarding!
I have to agree with this. Playing VB and getting a bladed armor set in a reasonable amount of time was awesome. And making it possible for people to get the new Ranger pets without jumping through the hoops I had too is great as well. When the expansion first hit, it was a tedious grind. Now I feel like it is worth hopping in for a bit of fun and being able to pick up a new item I like at the end, for gold from the TP or for some other currency from a vendor.
Rotating BL skins back in and bringing the price down to something people could reasonably earn was a great idea. Hopefully some of the newer dyes will get the same treatment soon.
As long as the birthday gifts appeal to the majority of players, I don’t see any issues. Just because some players chose to max out their dyes, doesn’t mean it was unreasonable, or unfair, for Anet to include them as a gift.
Edit: To add onto what I said, let’s say the 4th birthday gift is a chest that let’s us choose any black lion weapon skin (account bound). It would be unfair for players not to be given that sort of gift because of the very very that had unlocked all of those skins.
But why not make it so this doesn’t happen? It is entirely predictable that it will, and it is a simple fix to make it so it doesn’t happen, or happens with much, much, less frequency, by simply allowing a choice, or providing a ticket or redemption opportunity for people affected rather than just saying, let’s just leave some people out.
Somehow “chose to max out their dyes” is being twisted into a reason to get left out of the best part of the birthday gift, like those people did something wrong which makes it justifiable to not consider rectifying the situation. The petty meanness of it is palpable.
So the issue with you is the gold value. It’s unfair to you that someone got a lot more value out of the gift than you did.
Geez.
Please stop making up motivations. The number is a comparison. The birthday gift should be something that people enjoy. Getting to salvage a dye for 1 to 4 pigments as opposed to getting a dye that is something you couldn’t afford or is something nice but that you wouldn’t have bought for yourself is a big difference.
Unless you think “Celebratory Pigment Pack – salvage item – salvage this to get 1 to 4 pigments of your choice” is a great birthday gift…
I’ve been getting these for a year now, 18 of them, including when people were getting dyes worth hundreds of gold, if I cared that others were getting more than I, I’d have started a thread long ago. I didn’t even start this thread, and jumped in only because of the “entitled” post and the poor and mean-spirited arguments against making things better. I don’t care that people got a lot out of the dye packs, just that some of us got effectively nothing, which makes the Celebratory Dye Pack kind of a downer.
But when you don’t have a reasonable argument, trying to make me out as a bad guy is all you have left.
Then why have you mentioned, numerous times the value of dyes to those who didn’t have them vs picking one and salvaging it for pigments. It certainly seems like the gold value is something that bothered you.
I was trying to reduce it to as simple a comparison as possible since some people can’t seem to comprehend the difference between a nice gift of something you couldn’t have gotten or wouldn’t have gotten for yourself and getting something worthless.
If the gift for everyone had been “Celebratory Pigment Pack – salvage item – salvage this to get 1 to 4 pigments of your choice” for everyone, nobody would have said, “Wow what a great gift!”
TC had stacked their way to T1 and outnumbered pretty much everyone along the way. And then, while not linked, it was left open for transfers after the new linkings. Population isn’t it’s disadvantage.
DB is winning because it is playing to win – havoking, protecting its thirds, and maximizing the principles of mass, maneuver and economy of force.
You say that like TC weren’t in t1 for over 2 years before. Yeah they had dropped into t2 for a short period while guilds moved around, but after the first links it was enough to bring them back to t1 as JQ started to falter and then DB dropped out of t1 before they went back up to replace YB. DB has also been open for transfers longer than BG TC JQ, who got stacked again?
DB is winning because of coverage and probably more pug commanders (that’s kinda obvious by now isn’t it?), and yes pvding and back capping when they can. I say this as my main account is sitting on DB.
I say this having been in TC those two years before.
TC drove back to T1 by stacking it’s way to dominance in T2, which was capped by the alliance stacking right before the first linking. By the time TC closed after the second linking started, it had numbers over everyone.
Your main might be sitting on DB, but I don’t see how you could be playing on DB and claiming it is winning on coverage.
If your main is sitting, where is the account you’re playing on, because trying to call this :
“DB is winning because it is playing to win – havoking, protecting its thirds, and maximizing the principles of mass, maneuver and economy of force.”
Backcapping and PvDing sounds a lot like parroting a particular TC commander.
I logged into WvW recently, and saw something that boggles my mind. How exactly did DB overtake both TC and BG? Did World Linking give so much of a boost to them that they’ve become a juggernaut? That brings up a question of fairness, because Commanders on TC say that we weren’t linked with anyone, putting us at a disadvantage.
TC had stacked their way to T1 and outnumbered pretty much everyone along the way. And then, while not linked, it was left open for transfers after the new linkings. Population isn’t it’s disadvantage.
DB is winning because it is playing to win – havoking, protecting its thirds, and maximizing the principles of mass, maneuver and economy of force.
Because asking for things you get in the game to be rewarding is bad and greedy and draws attacks or trolling statements like the one I quoted above. Happy Birthday, here’s 40 silver. Happy Birthday, here’s 74 gold. Same thing…
Exactly , asking for birthday gifts its very improper.
I love birthday gifts , but rather not demand any from anyone . Surprise is the best !!
You do get that it isn’t the same as a personal birthday right? It’s an item given by a company to its customers.
If you have all the dyes. You can still salvage them for the scribe profession.
For less than 40 silver each…
And?
The dyes are account bound. Not like you could sell them any way.
Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.
I’m sorry you can’t pick up the distinction of the birthday gift being something the player who gets it should enjoy. I bet you give kids one pair of socks for Christmas.
Some kids would be delighted to even receive a pair of socks for Christmas.
I guess the ones that aren’t happy are spoiled children and throw tantrums when ever they get some thing given to them.
Yeah, this is about poor children. Keep trying to make this out to be you claiming some kind of moral high ground rather than just trolling a thread with meaningless and inappropriate cliches.
You’re the one who started involving children with your flawed analogies.
The situation is one kid is getting a pair of socks that are too small to wear and the other kid getting a Playstation 4 – with no good reason for not correcting the discrepancy.
I didn’t know birthday presents were giving out dyes to some people and legendary armor to others. My mistake.
Do the math, a pair of socks vs a PS4 equates to about 40 silver to 75 gold, the cost of one of the dyes. The analogies aren’t flawed, you just don’t get them.
I think the only one who “gets” them is you.
Again. Best not to look a gift horse in the mouth. Be happy to get any thing at all.
You guys will probably get a good link having dropped so far so fast. Hang in there!
Watch YB getting linked with the cursed Darkhaven and be at the bottom with us for another 2 months.
What happened to Darkhaven? It was a nice place when I had an alt there. Great people, fun. Then I saw it running up the rankings a bit, then taking a dive…
So the issue with you is the gold value. It’s unfair to you that someone got a lot more value out of the gift than you did.
Geez.
Please stop making up motivations. The number is a comparison. The birthday gift should be something that people enjoy. Getting to salvage a dye for 1 to 4 pigments as opposed to getting a dye that is something you couldn’t afford or is something nice but that you wouldn’t have bought for yourself is a big difference.
Unless you think “Celebratory Pigment Pack – salvage item – salvage this to get 1 to 4 pigments of your choice” is a great birthday gift…
I’ve been getting these for a year now, 18 of them, including when people were getting dyes worth hundreds of gold, if I cared that others were getting more than I, I’d have started a thread long ago. I didn’t even start this thread, and jumped in only because of the “entitled” post and the poor and mean-spirited arguments against making things better. I don’t care that people got a lot out of the dye packs, just that some of us got effectively nothing, which makes the Celebratory Dye Pack kind of a downer.
But when you don’t have a reasonable argument, trying to make me out as a bad guy is all you have left.
If you have all the dyes. You can still salvage them for the scribe profession.
For less than 40 silver each…
And?
The dyes are account bound. Not like you could sell them any way.
Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.
I’m sorry you can’t pick up the distinction of the birthday gift being something the player who gets it should enjoy. I bet you give kids one pair of socks for Christmas.
Some kids would be delighted to even receive a pair of socks for Christmas.
I guess the ones that aren’t happy are spoiled children and throw tantrums when ever they get some thing given to them.
Yeah, this is about poor children. Keep trying to make this out to be you claiming some kind of moral high ground rather than just trolling a thread with meaningless and inappropriate cliches.
You’re the one who started involving children with your flawed analogies.
The situation is one kid is getting a pair of socks that are too small to wear and the other kid getting a Playstation 4 – with no good reason for not correcting the discrepancy.
I didn’t know birthday presents were giving out dyes to some people and legendary armor to others. My mistake.
Do the math, a pair of socks vs a PS4 equates to about 40 silver to 75 gold, the cost of one of the dyes. The analogies aren’t flawed, you just don’t get them.
If you have all the dyes. You can still salvage them for the scribe profession.
For less than 40 silver each…
And?
The dyes are account bound. Not like you could sell them any way.
Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.
I’m sorry you can’t pick up the distinction of the birthday gift being something the player who gets it should enjoy. I bet you give kids one pair of socks for Christmas.
Some kids would be delighted to even receive a pair of socks for Christmas.
I guess the ones that aren’t happy are spoiled children and throw tantrums when ever they get some thing given to them.
Yeah, this is about poor children. Keep trying to make this out to be you claiming some kind of moral high ground rather than just trolling a thread with meaningless and inappropriate cliches.
The situation is one kid is getting a pair of socks that are too small to wear and the other kid getting a Playstation 4 – with no good reason for not correcting the discrepancy.
The thing is, you’re not getting gifts from someone you know. You’re getting gifts from a corporation. Unlike real life birthdays gifts that are carefully chosen with you in mind, gifts to players have to be designed for the maximum number of happy players that can be achieved with the minimum amount of work and cost by ANet. Which means that gifts can’t be tweaked to satisfy everyone.
They handed out a range of different items to be useful to as many types of players as possible, but to think they can or should modify the gifts so that every single player is completely happy with every single thing they got is not a realistic expectation. It’s a matter of how much scarce dev hours and money they’re willing to put into a optional gift. Considering every single thing they give could be useless to someone it’s best to be happy with the things you can use and accept that you’re not the consumer targeted for the ones you can’t.
As consumers, those left out should be pointing that out to the companies we buy from. The “gift” is a loyalty reward and marketing gimmick. If it isn’t hitting the mark on some customers that are loyal, the company should be aware of that and adjust the mark. Anet has proven perfectly capable of producing reward boxes that give a choice of items, as well as producing tickets and other methods of allowing people to swap things. I can’t see how it’s best to be happy to be left out of a quarter of the birthday gift rather than speak up about it. That’s just bad advice.
The thing is no gift will please everyone. The best ANet can hope for is to do Gift A this year and Gift B next year. And have Groups 1, 2, & 3 love Gift A and Group 4 hates Gift A and have Groups 2, 3, & 4 love Gift B and Group 1 hates Gift B. Where Group 1 and Group 4 do not include the majority of players by themselves.
It would be nice if the gift for this year pleased the vast majority of players who did not like the gifts of last year.
It isn’t hard to make the gifts exchangeable if they aren’t useful for someone. Or to make a gift box with a choice like: 1) Celebratory Dye Pack, 2) Celebratory Skin Pack, 3) Celebratory Mini Pack or whatever.
I don’t get why this seems like an impossible thing…
But some will always either have all of the dyes, skins and minis, have all they want of the categories, or not want any of them as they don’t care about collectables or how their character looks.
I’m not saying that can’t make the pool of dissatisfied smaller, but to have an expectation that there is an answer that will please everyone is unrealistic.
So because there are some people (theoretically) that would not be happy with anything, there should be no attempt to improve the current system which is broken for people in reality? So really, don’t bother doing anything at all, ever, because of these people who aren’t going to want anything? Increasing the pool to more than one type of item drastically increases the possibility for someone to get something they like and allows people who only have one category, such as dyes, to get something more than 39 silver and 96 coppers or inventory clutter.
Did you miss the part where I said I wasn’t for not making the pool of unhappy player smaller?
All my point is expecting there to be a gift where everyone will be happy with it is unrealistic.
I apologize I misunderstood your intent in regard to making the pool of unhappy players smaller.
Everyone is a hard word. But almost everyone isn’t that far off. I’m at 73 in Account Value on GW2 I have about a third of the BL weapon skins and a third of the minis. The odds that there are a significant amount of people around with all of the dyes and skins and minis unlocked or who have been able to afford to buy all the things they would want from those categories are pretty slim. Add some other BL items to the options and the odds of there being nothing for someone get smaller.
All WvW players and WvW guilds want now are fights.
You get more fights in the top tier servers.
So they are moving up to those servers.
Simply put it’s another nail in the coffin of WvW.
FA and DB seem to be different IME. Not that people don’t like to fight, and not that there aren’t people who just want to fight. But both have people that are trying to win the match rather than uniblob against the competing servers in the middle of an open field for no reason. I know there is server pride on FA. It might not be server pride on DB, but it feels like it.
If you have all the dyes. You can still salvage them for the scribe profession.
For less than 40 silver each…
And?
The dyes are account bound. Not like you could sell them any way.
Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.
I’m sorry you can’t pick up the distinction of the birthday gift being something the player who gets it should enjoy. I bet you give kids one pair of socks for Christmas.
Here’s the problem, no matter what they offer along the line of the dyes, there will be some segment who either doesn’t care or has all of X already. You choose your free gifts to benefit most of your playerbase, not the outliers.
Glancing at GW2Efficiency, the only source us players have about others, even players with over 5000 hours in the game, there is still 10% missing 70+ dyes. Even 1% have a few dyes unbought. Conversely there is also 10% that have less than half the dyes and 1% only having 120 dyes.
In the end, there will always be “free” gifts that are worthless to some segment of the population but if the vast majority benefits and likes it, then that’s a good gift.
Not for those who don’t benefit. And it is simple to fix.
With what? An infinite list of possible gifts? Cause 1st they will not make a gift tradable cause that would unbalance the economy. If they give you a choice of 5 things, there will be players who already have or don’t care about any of the five. They will never have an option that’s just gold ($ or gift card birthday gift in RW) cause economy. Not gems cause most would likely be converted into gold, lowering the exchange rate and disincentivize buying additional gems to convert to gold and selling gems for cash is the life blood of the studio.
I have not seen a suggestion in this thread that could satisfy everyone while keeping the game’s economy from getting shocked or cut into ANet’s income stream.
This is a garbage argument. Increase the choices to five categories and you’ll drastically increase the opportunity for people to get something they like, or at least something better than inventory clutter or 39 silver and 96 copper. The “everyone” argument is nonsense, taking the issue to a level of absurdity because you can’t come up with a coherent argument why adding a couple more categories to the selection wouldn’t be a drastic improvement.
The thing is, you’re not getting gifts from someone you know. You’re getting gifts from a corporation. Unlike real life birthdays gifts that are carefully chosen with you in mind, gifts to players have to be designed for the maximum number of happy players that can be achieved with the minimum amount of work and cost by ANet. Which means that gifts can’t be tweaked to satisfy everyone.
They handed out a range of different items to be useful to as many types of players as possible, but to think they can or should modify the gifts so that every single player is completely happy with every single thing they got is not a realistic expectation. It’s a matter of how much scarce dev hours and money they’re willing to put into a optional gift. Considering every single thing they give could be useless to someone it’s best to be happy with the things you can use and accept that you’re not the consumer targeted for the ones you can’t.
As consumers, those left out should be pointing that out to the companies we buy from. The “gift” is a loyalty reward and marketing gimmick. If it isn’t hitting the mark on some customers that are loyal, the company should be aware of that and adjust the mark. Anet has proven perfectly capable of producing reward boxes that give a choice of items, as well as producing tickets and other methods of allowing people to swap things. I can’t see how it’s best to be happy to be left out of a quarter of the birthday gift rather than speak up about it. That’s just bad advice.
The thing is no gift will please everyone. The best ANet can hope for is to do Gift A this year and Gift B next year. And have Groups 1, 2, & 3 love Gift A and Group 4 hates Gift A and have Groups 2, 3, & 4 love Gift B and Group 1 hates Gift B. Where Group 1 and Group 4 do not include the majority of players by themselves.
It would be nice if the gift for this year pleased the vast majority of players who did not like the gifts of last year.
It isn’t hard to make the gifts exchangeable if they aren’t useful for someone. Or to make a gift box with a choice like: 1) Celebratory Dye Pack, 2) Celebratory Skin Pack, 3) Celebratory Mini Pack or whatever.
I don’t get why this seems like an impossible thing…
But some will always either have all of the dyes, skins and minis, have all they want of the categories, or not want any of them as they don’t care about collectables or how their character looks.
I’m not saying that can’t make the pool of dissatisfied smaller, but to have an expectation that there is an answer that will please everyone is unrealistic.
So because there are some people (theoretically) that would not be happy with anything, there should be no attempt to improve the current system which is broken for people in reality? So really, don’t bother doing anything at all, ever, because of these people who aren’t going to want anything? Increasing the pool to more than one type of item drastically increases the possibility for someone to get something they like and allows people who only have one category, such as dyes, to get something more than 39 silver and 96 coppers or inventory clutter.
Here’s the problem, no matter what they offer along the line of the dyes, there will be some segment who either doesn’t care or has all of X already. You choose your free gifts to benefit most of your playerbase, not the outliers.
Glancing at GW2Efficiency, the only source us players have about others, even players with over 5000 hours in the game, there is still 10% missing 70+ dyes. Even 1% have a few dyes unbought. Conversely there is also 10% that have less than half the dyes and 1% only having 120 dyes.
In the end, there will always be “free” gifts that are worthless to some segment of the population but if the vast majority benefits and likes it, then that’s a good gift.
Not for those who don’t benefit. And it is simple to fix.
The thing is, you’re not getting gifts from someone you know. You’re getting gifts from a corporation. Unlike real life birthdays gifts that are carefully chosen with you in mind, gifts to players have to be designed for the maximum number of happy players that can be achieved with the minimum amount of work and cost by ANet. Which means that gifts can’t be tweaked to satisfy everyone.
They handed out a range of different items to be useful to as many types of players as possible, but to think they can or should modify the gifts so that every single player is completely happy with every single thing they got is not a realistic expectation. It’s a matter of how much scarce dev hours and money they’re willing to put into a optional gift. Considering every single thing they give could be useless to someone it’s best to be happy with the things you can use and accept that you’re not the consumer targeted for the ones you can’t.
As consumers, those left out should be pointing that out to the companies we buy from. The “gift” is a loyalty reward and marketing gimmick. If it isn’t hitting the mark on some customers that are loyal, the company should be aware of that and adjust the mark. Anet has proven perfectly capable of producing reward boxes that give a choice of items, as well as producing tickets and other methods of allowing people to swap things. I can’t see how it’s best to be happy to be left out of a quarter of the birthday gift rather than speak up about it. That’s just bad advice.
The thing is no gift will please everyone. The best ANet can hope for is to do Gift A this year and Gift B next year. And have Groups 1, 2, & 3 love Gift A and Group 4 hates Gift A and have Groups 2, 3, & 4 love Gift B and Group 1 hates Gift B. Where Group 1 and Group 4 do not include the majority of players by themselves.
It would be nice if the gift for this year pleased the vast majority of players who did not like the gifts of last year.
It isn’t hard to make the gifts exchangeable if they aren’t useful for someone. Or to make a gift box with a choice like: 1) Celebratory Dye Pack, 2) Celebratory Skin Pack, 3) Celebratory Mini Pack or whatever.
I don’t get why this seems like an impossible thing…
Dueling? I’m fine with the idea so long as there is an option to turn it on/off and it is disallowed near crafting, bank, TP, potential RP hubs, etc.
Inspect? Nope. What my avatar is wearing is not your business.
I agree with this. I’d be sad to have what someone is wearing cosmetically automatically available as well. Asking or being asked about a cool piece of gear is a good conversation starter.
Fourth would be the weekly acquisition of single use bank access and repair kit items from the daily reward (the single use Merchant and TP consumables at least have a use that distinguishes them from the perm versions). Also – an alternative use for excess copper-fed-kits now that we have shared slots would not be a terrible idea (as long as we don’t trade them in for dyes!)
Let’s not go there…
Why not?
We’re all getting them on a regular basis now and not everyone needs them or cares to use them. Having a secondary outlet for these items would be great – like put 4 in the mystic forge and get back a spirit shard or three.
As it is, a lot of people have them piling up but don’t necessarily want to delete them because they may have another use in the future.
Because asking for things you get in the game to be rewarding is bad and greedy and draws attacks or trolling statements like the one I quoted above. Happy Birthday, here’s 40 silver. Happy Birthday, here’s 74 gold. Same thing…
Fourth would be the weekly acquisition of single use bank access and repair kit items from the daily reward (the single use Merchant and TP consumables at least have a use that distinguishes them from the perm versions). Also – an alternative use for excess copper-fed-kits now that we have shared slots would not be a terrible idea (as long as we don’t trade them in for dyes!)
The thing is, you’re not getting gifts from someone you know. You’re getting gifts from a corporation. Unlike real life birthdays gifts that are carefully chosen with you in mind, gifts to players have to be designed for the maximum number of happy players that can be achieved with the minimum amount of work and cost by ANet. Which means that gifts can’t be tweaked to satisfy everyone.
They handed out a range of different items to be useful to as many types of players as possible, but to think they can or should modify the gifts so that every single player is completely happy with every single thing they got is not a realistic expectation. It’s a matter of how much scarce dev hours and money they’re willing to put into a optional gift. Considering every single thing they give could be useless to someone it’s best to be happy with the things you can use and accept that you’re not the consumer targeted for the ones you can’t.
As consumers, those left out should be pointing that out to the companies we buy from. The “gift” is a loyalty reward and marketing gimmick. If it isn’t hitting the mark on some customers that are loyal, the company should be aware of that and adjust the mark. Anet has proven perfectly capable of producing reward boxes that give a choice of items, as well as producing tickets and other methods of allowing people to swap things. I can’t see how it’s best to be happy to be left out of a quarter of the birthday gift rather than speak up about it. That’s just bad advice.
The way you speak about already having everything they give is quite the reason of why you will never be happy with anything Anet does. How many selections would they need to give to cover all the bases of players who are collection obsessed players who own all the dyes? And if they give a selection you are suggesting they give items worth in game value? What then? Then you have another group of players who will say Anet ruined the economy and that the items should have been account bound.
You speak as if they targeted you specifically and intentionally left you out because of what you have achieved, which apparently is to the point of owning all of the expensive dyes. The real problem here is this— you need to accept that you received a gift that may not be what you want, and also accept the fact that Anet wanted to treat long time players without harming the ingame economy. Dyes are the best reward for this because they- A.Give unlimited account wide uses, and B. Is the best cosmetic reward gift to give without creating a situation of unappealing looks from maybe a bad outfit or weapon skin.
You claim they didn’t give us a selection but that was your first major mistake with your apparent biased negativity. They gave us a selection of 60 different RARE dyes that we can select from, and if we have those also can choose from the 100+ dyes from the 4 color swatch packs. On top of that if you can’t choose from the lot of dyes because you want too many, every character that has a birthday gets one! They very easily could have made it an account birthday, but they instead made each character get one, I’d say this is pretty generous. It isn’t Anet’s fault you own 1000’s of gold in dyes, maybe you need to be more accepting of gifts with a positive attitude and that will bring even better ones in the future? Just a thought.
Maybe you need to dial back the rage and taking this so personally that you’re attacking me over it. I couldn’t understand some of your post, but you’re getting pretty angry and aggressive about someone who has the current dyes unlocked asking that the dye pack enable them to unlock future dyes rather than being useless to them. I’m not sure why Anet or anyone would be at fault for me owning the current dyes, though you seem to be implying it is somehow bad of me to have them. As far as gifts and positive attitude, you’re creating a personal relationship with a company that doesn’t exist. this isn’t a personal gift, it is a marketing gimmick and customer loyalty award.
I could see this kind of emotional attack if I was complaining about the dyes being given away after I paid for them, which I’m not. But your willingness to attack me for asking the reward be fixed to reward everyone while you’re getting what makes you happy from it is the same kind of mean-spiritedness which that would be.
The thing is, you’re not getting gifts from someone you know. You’re getting gifts from a corporation. Unlike real life birthdays gifts that are carefully chosen with you in mind, gifts to players have to be designed for the maximum number of happy players that can be achieved with the minimum amount of work and cost by ANet. Which means that gifts can’t be tweaked to satisfy everyone.
They handed out a range of different items to be useful to as many types of players as possible, but to think they can or should modify the gifts so that every single player is completely happy with every single thing they got is not a realistic expectation. It’s a matter of how much scarce dev hours and money they’re willing to put into a optional gift. Considering every single thing they give could be useless to someone it’s best to be happy with the things you can use and accept that you’re not the consumer targeted for the ones you can’t.
As consumers, those left out should be pointing that out to the companies we buy from. The “gift” is a loyalty reward and marketing gimmick. If it isn’t hitting the mark on some customers that are loyal, the company should be aware of that and adjust the mark. Anet has proven perfectly capable of producing reward boxes that give a choice of items, as well as producing tickets and other methods of allowing people to swap things. I can’t see how it’s best to be happy to be left out of a quarter of the birthday gift rather than speak up about it. That’s just bad advice.
Recruit and power your way up.
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Because this is the core of the problem.
That is pretty much it. Servers stacking their way up the tiers is the problem. And it isn’t individuals moving, but guilds. Tie guilds to a single server. If you move a guild, start all over in building a guild hall and gaining advancements. And make transfers cash only as you suggested, so trading stacks of ectos for guilds stops.
