Guild Wars 2

sprhavkdogi.9408:

I am going to just get out there and say it. This is a really bad idea.

I will say a lot of the other proposed changes such as selectable fractal weapons when above reward level 50 and making the golden fractal weapons exclusive to 51+ along with making them only changeable with a mf recipe was fantastic. I loved that.

So now I will get to my problem. I hate the idea that the fractals are static. A large majority of the fun and challenge of fractals is you have to be able to adapt to a wide variety of scenarios (i.e. the build that works amazingly well in Uncategorized may not work as well in Snowblind). This forced players to adapt their strategy to different fractals and be prepared for anything. Yes we dread the snowblinds and the volcanics, but I’d rather keep fracs the way they were and charge through them instead of running the same fractal over and over. If I wanted to do the same thing again and again I’d run dungeons.

Before anyone starts, yes I understand they are doing a rotating daily that may force people to run something different. However, there is no randomness to this. We know exactly what to expect.

Okay so enough of me complaining. In order to not make this just another forum post of someone complaining wildly and not having an idea here is one. My guildies and I have been coming up with a simple solution to this. Crazy thought, but what about keeping the static fractals to low levels only. That way people can still learn about the fractals while they level up. However, at higher levels they slowly add on more fractals. (i.e. 1-20 you run one static frac, 21-40 it picks two fracs from the list, 41-70 three fracs, 70+ the original 4 fracs). It’s simple, elegant, and still maintains a low barrier of entry for people new to fractals while still maintaining the difficulty of higher fracs.

As someone who has been running lvl 50 fracs basically since the fractured update I can assure you only one frac is NOT HARD. I apologize if my wording was a tad too strong, but I could not find a better way to convey the message.

TLDR: One frac is not hard, how about scaling up the total fracs run as you reach higher levels? Everything else is great

I was one of those people mindlessly complaining about this without a better suggestion but yours is very good. I would very much like this to be what they do. I wish there was something more than +1ing i could do to show my support of this.

Jawmeow.4502:

Xillllix.3485:

SAB world 3 should have been part of the expansion. Why have people wait for so long if you’re not even going to add it to the expansion?

This.

I would love for SAB to be made permanent with HOT and for W3 to be added but considering what they have said on the issue it seems unreasonable to expect that. Maybe they just like us being angry and are going to surprise us with it though

I’m sure what they meant to say is when your personal reward level get’s past 50

butch.8136:

phys.7689:

Jerus.4350:

Well, all I have to say is everyone (including myself) is making a lot of assumptions. But, we do have ANet posts assuring us that running the same easy fractal over and over will not be the way to go. So it sounds like whatever they’re doing they’re at least making an attempt to avoid the issue we’re all discussing.

Nah running the same fractal over and over will be the best way to progress, and there will be one fractal that is the best time/reward.
And for the daily people will do the same 3 fractals out of 9

The only non repetive element MAY be the new daily that asks for a specific scale.
But thats only one unpredictable fractal per day. And now a fractal is one level.

So you figure 1/3 of the days that random fractal isnt one of the 3 standard fractals everyone runs ad nauseum

And what do you want actually? People have been rerolling anyway if the RNG was against them. People have been running the ‘best’ scales, etc.

Yes but before the scale with the best rewards was rolled for swamp and then 2 random fractals with one random boss fractal. There was some variety while still getting the best rewards. Now getting the best rewards doesn’t look like it will have any variety.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Therodin.2970:

…which is just one pristine.

…and the chance for ascended gear, fractal skins, etc.

Sorry i did not communicate myself well, i was talking about the daily achievement fractal scale reward chest which sounds very similar to what they are suggesting. That one as far as i know does not have the chance for anything better than a pristine and some +1’s

Jerus.4350:

phys.7689:

Basically all they are preventing is people doing the same fractal 3 times. But no problem dojng the 3 easiest ones again and again.

So predictable so farmable so lame.

Did you not read the last part of that quote? There will be a specific level picked out for more rewards. You’d be pretty silly not to do that and grab another reward chest.

While I don’t think I have it fully understood it, it certainly sounds like they understand the issues we’re concerned with and are implementing something to combat it.

–]Anet_Goremond 2 points 41 minutes ago
You will be able to do something similar in the new system. I just wanted to clarify that running swamp forever will not be as rewarding.

from reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3f6ei6/the_brandnew_fractals_of_the_mists_legendary/ctluosv

You would only be silly to miss out on it if the chest is worth it. If the chest is given after completing a 53, you would be silly to do a 53 instead of a 100. The only chests we have to go off of are the very similar sounding daily fractal reward chest which is just one pristine.

Rising Dusk.2408:

phys.7689:

Because they instabilities are designed like the new system instead of the old system.

They perfectly illustrate why the new system will have zero diversity just like people doing instabilities.

Except now every facet of it will be like that

Exactly, but see my previous post. I’ll even quote the relevant part from the blog post:

“There also will be a new daily recommended fractal achievement that will rotate to different scales each day, giving you a focal scale to find other players looking to organize for a group.”

This means that you’ll have daily rewards for the “tiers”, but also a specific daily for a specific scale that you’ll want to do for “best rewards” that day. This scale will change daily, and so you’ll get diversity.

But if that rotating achievement only gives you something like a pristine or a vial of mist essence or even if it gives you something good but it rotates to like a 24 level fractal, there is no way that doing a 24 will give you better rewards than doing a 100. At the very least it shouldn’t. So what im worried about is that the award for the rotating achievement is ok but that people will only deviate to do it if its higher than 80 or so.

TamTiTam.9574:

They should alternate on the highest level fractal.

+sideways 8

Unless 91-100 all have the exact same difficulty and reward level, people will get to 100 and just do 100 over and over which is much worse than the rng of maybe getting a bad second and third fractal because it’s just so boring.

That only sounds depressing if you are doing it to get to the end. I find fractals fun and that second run you listed sounded pretty fun. Cliffside on the other hand i pretty much despise.

Purple Miku.7032:

Therodin.2970:

I have done at least one fractal a week with different guildies and pugs since before the fractured patch.

Yeah… that’s not nearly as often as you might think it is…

There is nothing fun about RNG. Once you’ve done all fractals there is no element of surprise, it just becomes tiresome whenever you get a fractal you don’t feel like doing.

Then what seperates dungeons from fractals? When this change goes live you will just be choosing from a list which one you want to do

spoj.9672:

“Once a week”. >_>

The definition of regularly is at regular times or intervals which my fractal schedule perfectly falls into. But that is not the point, the point is that i do fractals often and the people i do it often with do not like this change, i have seen some people i know who do not do fractals regularly get excited about this but none of the people i know who do them often are excited about this specific aspect.

I have done at least one fractal a week with different guildies and pugs since before the fractured patch.

Part of the fun of fractals was the randomness This new experience sounds like they have changed too much and it will not be as fun as before. Do you know how locked into these changes they are? Like if the people that run fractals often expressed our worries, would they be willing to change some of the things?

Wait, so what you are saying is that if my group wants to just run 100’s since that is where the most challenge theoretically is, We will only be able to do that one shard that is assigned to fractal 100 over and over again? Do you know if the boss fractals are also locked to specific shards like that?

Yeah i would honestly prefer if it just stayed with the three random shards but i understand they need to make it more accessible to other players if they can rationalize assigning resources to it. So i just ask that they make it accessible to new players without making it less fun for the people that enjoyed it originally. Most of the other changes really excite me

The range thing is something my guild and i talk about a lot! We would love if the instabilities were a range instead of static. We also think it would be even cooler if they rerolled what they were every time the shard changed, but it sounds like we will only get one shard from now on.

I also do not think you get to choose what fractal you play, they said static which in my opinion means unchanging. I believe every day they will randomly select that day’s shard+boss combo and that will be the only fractal runnable that day.

phys.7689:

Therodin.2970:

You can not buy the fractal skins until you are at personal reward 50, if you are that far and do not have the fractal skins you want then you deserve to get them. I think the prestige is still there.

Getting to 50 now means doing swamp 50 times. For the first 20 it will be even easier than before.

They have not said how many pristines it costs to buy them and you can only get three pristines a day, if it costs 50 pristines then at the bare minimum it is going to take you 17 days of constantly doing three a day to get one fractal weapon of your choice

I made a new topic because i only want to touch on this point in this thread. It sounds to me in there article like they are saying that on monday you can only do ascalon plus mai trin ( just picked a fractal+boss randomly) And everyone who does a fractal on monday will only get ascalon and mai trin. I understand this makes fractals easier to get into without the huge time requirement. But i really liked the randomness and the three parts :/ I would ask that the people who decide these things leave an option to do fractals the old way for increased rewards. They mentioned something about end encryption chests or something right? Well lets say if you do the static ascalon +mai trin on monday you get 1 but if you do it the classic way it obviously takes longer but you get 5? Any obvious problems with my suggestion?

You can not buy the fractal skins until you are at personal reward 50, if you are that far and do not have the fractal skins you want then you deserve to get them. I think the prestige is still there.

Thanks for finding that! But that is disappointing… The only thing i have really done lately is go for achievements and even though i did not rightly earn those achievements i had gotten use to that higher point number. It will be harder to get into earning points just to get back to where i was :/

So i see that they fixed that whole HOM mess and i was wondering if they also took away achievement points? I don’t actually keep track of how many i usually have so i wanted to know if i lost any, and if i did get reverted back some points and then i pass by a milestone again will i get the rewards again?

Ayrilana.1396:

Therodin.2970:

Of course i don’t report them because i do not think they are doing anything wrong.

Anet stated advertising home instance access is against the LFG rules. Just because people choose not to report it for whatever reason, or feel that it isn’t, doesn’t change this.

That has nothing to do with what i initially asked you, i asked if a rule is still a rule if it is not enforced. My proof of it not being enforced was seeing these people advertising home instances every day. For instance, it is against the rules to jaywalk but i do not believe i have ever seen someone stopped by a cop because of it.

lordkrall.7241:

Therodin.2970:

Could they outsource fixing sab? And if they could do it but did not want to pay for it, they could do something like kickstarter, Or if they did not want to use a third party website they could release all the sab gem store items and say all gems spent on them went towards the fixing of sab with a cool counter and stuff. What are the problems with that idea?

The fact that no matter how much money you throw at something it doesn’t magically get fixed. They will still need people that knows the system to spend quite a bit of time to fix it. Time that needs to be taken from something else.

But how different is the system from other common systems? I don’t know anything about that, which is why I’m asking a question and not stating an opinion. Because i don’t have to use the same mechanic every time i get my car fixed, I can go to a new one without him needing to consult my old one . Also i do think enough money could fix the problem. I am sure if they have a reasonably large amount of employees that they could take one who could help with sab and put him on sab and then replace him with someone new that they just hired.

Could they outsource fixing sab? And if they could do it but did not want to pay for it, they could do something like kickstarter, Or if they did not want to use a third party website they could release all the sab gem store items and say all gems spent on them went towards the fixing of sab with a cool counter and stuff. What are the problems with that idea?

Of course i don’t report them because i do not think they are doing anything wrong.

Ayrilana.1396:

Therodin.2970:

They have changed the rules before when confronted with an argument. You can also walk through someones home instance as a group. The fact that multiple people can join the same home instance means that it is group content.

So because they’ve allegedly changed rules in the past this makes any of the current rules negligible? So if I post that I’m selling several precursor in my home instance, then that’s acceptable? After all, you can only walk into my instance if you’re in my group and that since multiple people can join a home instance then it must be group content.

If i say that something is against the rules but then never punish anyone for it, is it really against the rules? I constantly see people still posting this in the lfg and it is the same people week after week.

SaintSnow.6593:

JustTrogdor.7892:

SaintSnow.6593:

So well thought out, why it wasn’t a simple annual thing like they said it would be blows my mind. Like any other yearly event, not too difficult.

See my post above. Apparently due to changes in the physics engine it is more difficult to bring back than most think.

So basically once HoT drops it will prob be more or less back soon after. Eh as long as they havn’t dropped it I’m fine with that. In 3 years I’ve realized anything could happen with Anet.

That is unrealistic, they have already shown in the past that they do not want to bring sab back during a living story season and one should start right after Hot drops. and those take about 6 months. I would honestly not be surprised if SAB never got fixed and released again.

While i would love love love the return of sab and it would definitely increase my gw2 gaming time and i would totally spend gems on sab items to support it, They have all there eggs in the HOT basket and things don’t seem to be going very well for them so i doubt they are willing to shift any resources to the sab train.

I’d like to ask that when this fix is rolled out, they tell us exactly what it is supposed to do and not just: Fixed a bug where the HOM was closed. I ask for this because when it gets rolled out i’d like to make sure it worked properly on me and didn’t take more achievement points than it was supposed to

They have changed the rules before when confronted with an argument. You can also walk through someones home instance as a group. The fact that multiple people can join the same home instance means that it is group content.

Your definition of group content is flawed. It does not take a group to explore a map but you are allowed to advertise that in the lfg.

Well i think people have made it pretty clear that they don’t like how difficult it is to get all the fractal skins. They don’t mind that it takes skill but i believe people feel like it shouldn’t be as random and RNG as it is now. Like someone can do a thousand fractals and not have more than a few of the weapon skins. They also used to be much easier to get pre-fractured

Ayrilana.1396:

Styrbjorn.9147:

I use the LFG tool for forming a group to farm my instance when it’s a daily. I do it free of charge and do not expect nor advertise for tips. I do it just to be helpful. My PUG group usually fills up in 5 minutes and we’re off.

Can’t see anything that’s wrong with that. Am I missing anything?

Thanks!

Home instances are not group content though. It was also specifically stated that advertising home instances were not allowed.

Yes advertising, which implies a cost is not allowed. Giving it away for free is totally fine. Also how is it not group content if multiple people are allowed to enter one persons instance?

lordkrall.7241:

Daroon.1736:

Given that there is sod all to do in game at the moment, even if no work has been done on it since it made its last appearance, what possible harm could it do to open it up for a couple of weeks?

Can’t you at least read the thread before posting?

As have been stating a rather large number of times it simply don’t work due to changes being made to the engine. So they HAVE to work on it in order for it to work at all.

Asking someone to read 50 pages of mostly merged and therefore hard to read posts is a bit much. It seems like much less work for everyone involved if he just say’s his opinion and then we tell him what he doesn’t know about the subject.

Gene Archer.8560:

Therodin.2970:

As much as i like to mention the infinite continue coin to get people talking about sab i definitely do not want them to give refunds for it because if they did then i feel sab is really and truly dead.

Why do people think like this?

The continue coin exists and that hasn’t stopped ANet from completely disregarding SAB as a whole, anyway.

I’d much rather get a refund and have SAB be truly dead rather than get strung along endlessly.

I would rather have misplaced hope than (how much was the coin? Like 10 bucks or something?) 10 dollars in gems.

I dont really understand the whole voting thing but passing on the reward from something like that does sound very cool. Very often in fractals i get skins that i already have or my friends get duplicates that i dont have.

I dont need him to come back and say its not done every day. But if someone is constantly working on it and still not done then i imagine stuff has happened to prevent the fix from being rolled out. Would it be so hard if once a week or so he told gayle to say something like: Hey guys thought i had it this time but about half the accounts i tried it on lost all the achievements they ever got, Back to the drawing board. Or Hey guys i just finished working on it to stop that whole removing all your achievements bug and will start testing this new fix tomorrow. I mean i would be surprised if it took more than 3 minutes to send an email like that to gayle.

As much as i like to mention the infinite continue coin to get people talking about sab i definitely do not want them to give refunds for it because if they did then i feel sab is really and truly dead.

Yes so realistically and very very sadly honestly you can not expect sab anytime before living world season 3 ends.

Really there should be a button you can press if you receive a mail that you did not want to and having someone press that is the only thing that should give you excessive messaging.

serenke.4806:

Not sure what that would accomplish. That one person is working on it, we don’t really need periodical reports about how they are fixing it. When it is done, the HoM will be reopened.

How is giving out more information a bad thing though? I mean if some people are asking for it, they at least would obviously benefit from the information. they wouldn’t even need to get on the forums themselves, just tell Gayle or somebody the info and she would post it for them.

TJgalon.5012:

I am not pretending to be blind, and if people would stop making new posts on the same thing, I could post properly my self. Just because my opinion differ from yours does not make me any more or less right or wrong then you. I am struggling to see why this is a bad thing, and I am not getting any answers really. Golem event for a week, seems like it fun, so i can’t defend for the week, i will attack for the week. We are all gamers we adapt to change, and it a game so make the most out of it to have fun. No reason to take a game seriously, lol.

“It boring cause it sucks” so you can’t do something you do normally , so one week, or now 6 days, is hurting you so badly? I am just confused, that all, trying to understand.

No one is telling you that you have to take the game seriously, so why are you telling them they can’t? They enjoy wvwing seriously and care about winning. How do you think people who go to a park to play pick up basketball every week would feel if for a week they replaced all the basketball hoops with soccer goals for the luls?

I would love to compare my tribulation times with other players.

Does it seem to anyone else like anet is struggling a bit after that last big patch? Not really in regards to SAB since them not working on it is not new, But just overall? That last patch released a lot of bugs which is not new but they seem to be taking longer to get fixed. I dont know, i just get the feeling that HOT is taking longer than they wanted it to.

As much as i also want a refund for the continue coin, i also agree that if they do that it will be the death of sab.

Giving people free points seems bad, but im sure they could think of cool new things they could add to the HOM in return

lordkrall.7241:

Palador.2170:

Something tells me that they were not really serious.

Or maybe, just maybe an issue turned up soon after that would have broken something else, so they decided to not go ahead with it?

Rather funny this. People always whine about them not testing stuff enough, but when they actually do test stuff, people whine about them not releasing stuff fast enough.

I think in this case we are whining that they said they were close over a month ago and in the red post’s after that have not addressed the post saying they were close. If a mistake happened that pushed back the release they could just say so. If they had then you wouldn’t even need to postulate about what it could be.

Poor sab 15 length