I play a d/p thief as my main but I’ve played all the other major thief builds. Retal guards are annoying but not overpowered. I think retal is fine as-is… get better rather than trying to destroy other people’s builds… it’s bad for the community.
If it bother’s you so much use signet of malice… that’ll drop retal dmg by 50% or so.
not asking for a nerf that would bring it to the ground….. ok maybe u dont understand. there are some builds in this game that others just have an incredibly hard time beating. but that doesnt mean they cant. power based guardian vs any sort of pistol thief like p/p for example iwll just kitten him in seconds. wanna know why? well lemme break it down for ya
p/p thiefs are usually zerk or they wont have enough dmg to do anything.
unload = 8 shots. does 4-5k dmg with high crit chance. that 8 shots deals over 3k dmg back to the thief. ontop of that GS skill number 2 on the guardian followed from skill 3 ….. the thief is going to take another 6k dmg ontop of the 3k he was dealt from retal that is up the entire time.
without a critical hit…pistol attack does 350-450 dmg max ish. each hit does about 380 dmg back to the thief against retal on a power based guardian. …… so if the guardian has toughness that means hes taking about 275 -300 dmg per hit and doing 380 back each. so if he has more Hp AND more toughness its a quite impossible situation.
well the thing here is that anet thinks if they make ALL the skills as strong as CND or HS then we will be OP. but the fact is they should all be strong to their respective use. we have initiative so it doesnt matter if we go 2 2 2 or 3 3 3 . as long as the init matches the skill then they should ALL be good skills. but some ignorants look at it as wow every wepaonset has 5 strong skills. if u put 5 strong skills on any other class it will be op. but not thief. bc we spam the best skill anyway. u know what i mean? so by makign them all equally awesome wont hurt the game.
The ideal balance for thief is not that any skill can be spammed any time – that’s boring. Ideally every skill is potentially very useful in the right situation (spammed or not), and less useful in others. So when asking if a given skill is worthwhile, the questions need to be:
1 – “Is there a situation(s) where this is the best skill to use?”
2 – “Is that situation relatively common?”I think the developer goal for every weapon set should be that you can say yes to both questions for all of the skills in the set. Right now I’d say that’s probably the case for d/p and s/d.
In the case of shadow-strike, it is superior to CnD for both offense and defense in a few scenarios.
1 – You are revealed and have initiative to spare – so a little extra dps and a cover condition are useful. – maybe you’ve got a gap-closer up too in case the enemy is about to run.
2 – You are fighting a meleer, who knows how to handle stealth, so your CnD is not protecting you the way you want/need it to.
3 – you are running, and need distance more than you need stealth.
4 – you are in an aoe circle and out of dodges.
5 – you just got immobilized
its circumstantially better. you mean depending on traits. CND is always going to be better on p/d than shadow strike. lets compare considering that we always ALWAYS ALWAYS lol have 30 in SA
CND for 6 initiative
1100 damage or so
3 vulnerability
AOE blind on hit
2 condi removal
1400 heal ish
Bonus: Sets you up for sneak attack (1200 dmg 6 bleeds at range)
Shadow Strike for 4 initiative
220 +730 dmg or so
2 stacks of torment
Bonus: Creates 700ish range gap.
now its obvious which is better. am i sayin SS doesnt fit in? heck no. i said before i loooove to use it on warriors…guardians….some rangers and other thieves…even engineers sometimes if the occaisson is right. its a nice lil add in.
i understand what developers want. but at this point what WE want is a nerf. and not directly. but what SHOULD be happening is ALL our skills should be as useful as HS or CND or Cluster bomb or Head Shot. why? bc we still have initiative pool and there is no difference in spamming 4 4 4 4 or 2 2 2 2 if they are both balanced in initiative costs to skill power. but that means that all 5 of our skill sets have to be equally awesome. so whats going to happen if they make that? a bunch of QQers saying look at their 1-5 and they have all of them awesome and usable. what about poor ol warrior and poor ol guardian? why cant all 5 of ours be awesome. well the short answer is they can spam 5 skills in a row then switch and do 5 more. thats 10 total. the most we can spam is 3-4 skills on the heavy end. there is the bigg difference even tho most people cant wrap their heads around that.
problem: low skill lvl of players that spam skills. how can we fix this?
solution: make all 5 skills on every thief weapon set equally awesome so we can no go 131414155322 rather than 3 3 3 3 or 2 2 2 2 or 5 1 5 1 5 1 or 5 2 2 1 etc.
there really is not difference as long as the power/initiative ratio is balanced correctly.
you will see QQers no matter what tho
really dont think it can be done in 7-8 seconds ? :P
It seems that you got lost in the conversation. Your video further support my skepticism to your claim.
I said;
“It’s hard to believe that to be a duel since whoever you are dueling didn’t even try to defend themselves. :/”Then you post a video beating up on a golem…. >.<’
well sorry i didnt have a video of THAT duel. but even if its 1 in 100 u dont think thats likely? ok ill do a few duels tnite. ill def do it to 1 person. wanna make a bet in gold that you will renig on?
I’m not saying that it’s unlikely, what I’m saying is; you might have done it as you say, but it’s not a duel.
well it was a duel….. i dont carry infil sig on my wvw build. period. or basilisk venom. stun and BV can really disorient people and allow you to get off combos. try it out. u might be surprised.
If that is so, then we go back to my original post;
It’s hard to believe that to be a duel since whoever you are dueling didn’t even try to defend themselves. :/
That’s the part that is hard to believe, the part that you’re in a duel with someone who simply stood there. In your post, your stun only last for 2s, but the fight lasted for 7s according to you.
My question is, was your opponent has quite a big bugger that he was picking his nose while letting you kill him? Otherwise he could’ve defended himself in the next 5s.
But whatever, if you killed him, then you killed him. But I remain skeptical that in a “duel” someone will simply allow themselves to die without a fight, unless they are trying to remove a Total Recall tracking device.
dodge roll is the only thing you can do during stun other than stun break. the full combo for 7-9 stacks only takes 1 second. :P ive been using scorp wire lately too. im in love with it i just had to find the way to use it correctly
Thank you everyone for your responses!
I’ll definitely have to get other sets and I’ll do so while d/d I guess. Now, I was doing 25/30/0/0/15 but I’m feeling SUPER squishy (I did make my trinkets Settler’s to get toughness, healing and condi damage, which I’m sure will get critizised to hell and back but lesson learned, no?) Based on my kitteny gear (Rampager’s and Settler’s) I was wondering if I wouldn’t be better served with a different type of trait build. If so, what do you guys suggest? It seems I’m currently geared for a power, precision, toughness and healing mix with TONS of condition damage. And please please, remember I’m super noob and I look up to you guys for help, don’t shoot me down with flame or insults please. (also english is not my first language so pardon the mistakes)
for rampagers….try this 10 30 0 0 30. have hit crit and high condi dmg with decent power and a nice 3k heal every 20 secs
u might like it alot.