Guild Wars 2

Obsidia.5127:

Well… If I have to…

- If you are defending a point, you can always stand on those platforms and you are literally immune to being pulled down.

- If you are taking a point, you can turn your camera to look around the corner slightly and you can often see players before they stealth.

- If you are a Necro, you can put ‘Marks’ behind the glass. After you see it broken, you dodge and hide until their stealth breaks.

- If you can’t see the ‘pullers’ on the map, then you should be ready to either stability or break stun and spam jump. It can be difficult but it is easily doable for good players. If they are standing on the glass for too long before the pull, then you can predict the pull and dodge.

- If you have pets, minions or spirits then you should be hiding behind them at all times on side points.

I know this requires you to put more effort into the game which I know GW2 players dislike.

Anyway – I still want Skyhammer removed.

- Collero

Point 1- Doesn’t work if you are trying to cap the point

Point 2- You know they can stealth after you can see them right? Doesn’t work

Point 3- Gotta roll a necro? Doesn’t work

Point 4- So Ill use randomly stability (because you can’t actually see them) in hopes they waste their pull? Doesn’t Work. Yeah OE, phantaram etc, etc… are all bad players, you just happen to be the best, teach us master..

Point5- So I gotta have pets? Doesnt’ work

Point 6- Get off you high horse, people getting free kills on a map, isn’t in any way competitive since not everyone can do it, “muh positioning” lol…

Avead.5760:

Ugruk.4069:

Chasind.3128:

I love my ele’s fresh air even after the patch; I’ve been able to kick a few thieves around the arena still
Maybe I just had alot of practice

But I dare anyone say ele is op bc they aren’t.
I use 0/30/0/10/30 scepter/focus & arcane brilliance

What changed for that build? Only the scepter 3 right?

Nope.First you can run fresh air and celestial cause of how broken is might stacking and you will do after a while same damage as before patch (with burning ) and be a lot more tanky.
Second is the signet.It got bufed and fresh air procs it a lot more than all other builds.Its just almost as much sustain as before patch only that condies are insane and thats the only thing thats keeping it in line. I tell you right now if somehow the absurd burning goes back to before june levels ele will be far more op than it ever was

Ahh will try to run that, I wasnt really into might stacking with s/d will try though, thanks

Guardians are defensive characters that bring support (boons) and have high sustain, and can trait to do nice damage too, so I do think they (the devs) have a good idea about the class.

If you are bored reroll

Chasind.3128:

I love my ele’s fresh air even after the patch; I’ve been able to kick a few thieves around the arena still
Maybe I just had alot of practice

But I dare anyone say ele is op bc they aren’t.
I use 0/30/0/10/30 scepter/focus & arcane brilliance

What changed for that build? Only the scepter 3 right?

SQLOwns.7316:

Ele is the most OP class in the game right now. I easily go 9/10 in sPVP. You haven’t found it yet. Turn on combat log and go back through it some time, there is a skill that will surprise you…may be a bug

Love this, you totally carried you team with your ele, not because you are facing bads left and right that flooded spvp… nah

silvermember.8941:

Ugruk.4069:

Nah man, it’s casual oriented.

I love how you are trying to present it like it is supposedly a negative. I mean esports generally only affects the super hardcore top rank players.

You love what? Im just answering his question.
So I supose all those players from LoL and Dota are all minorities too…

Nah man, it’s casual oriented.

Alex.9268:

Vash Past.4385:

How do I ‘get the stars to align’ to do 14k with one hit with my Ele?(Who has no invisibility mechanic and less armor). Oh that’s right, I can’t.

Firegrab and strength runes say hi

Hitting frigrab in spvp, good luck with that, it’s like they give 2 steps to the side and that crap misses, and you can see the ele coming a mile away. 14k firegrab? I wish

Shaogin.2679:

It’s true. Doesnt matter how positioned you are. I am going to run up on my bunker Engi, Toss Elixir S, and then Magnet Pull you to your death without giving you the slightest chance of counter play. Then I’m going to sit on that point and bunker the hell out of it.

Nah man don’t shatter his dreams of being better on a broken map…

silvermember.8941:

Ugruk.4069:

silvermember.8941:

TainoFuerte.8136:

After a few more games I actually don’t know how mad I’d be without Stone Heart. It’s a genuine pity and a rather distasteful that it’s locked in PvP for new players, since it can really help carry you knowing you have a “block” button just by switching to Earth. Liking it more on hybrid/damage builds than bunker.

What do you mean locked in PvP. They can use gold to buy it or if they were smarter they would have played the other half the game they bought.

Because this changes were anounced since day one am I right? Oh guess not….

Considering they gave most players a 4 month head start to get gold, I think while your argument is valid it is not an excuse.

The only ones that could be affect are brand new PvP only players but that started just right before the changes were announced.

MotherKitten.6795:

Why are so many ppl trumpeting the value of celestial amulets? Is this just a spvp thing?

Yes.

It certainly isn’t about PvE.

So he was stupid for not wanting (basically be forced) to play something he didnt want (pve, boring indeed), which was seperated for so long making all the people that actually invested time in it getting shafted… 4 months advance to get gold how so?

Chaith.8256:

Ugruk.4069:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

well you can play a tanky ele with stable dps…. dont ask me bout build coz i wont share it dont want it to be nerf by lots of player playing it.

Wow such special, it’s the 6/2/0/4/2 with rifle celestial and strength + might stacking sigil amiright?

Rifle ele FTW

Shh much secret, very power

WyldKat.4712:

I’m doing pretty decent with a Fresh Air 30 – 20 water – 20 arcane S/D. It’s the sixth class I’ve worked through the paces in PvP (warrior and ranger to go).

I absolutely work overtime to take advantage of positioning, terrain and teammates, especially compared to the other 5 classes I’ve used. Holding abilities in reserve to use as escapes has worked better for me than using them as all-in damage moves.

Fresh Air has no margin of error. If you pick a bad situation to fight in or flub up, you’re toast.

I actually didn’t notice any real damage nerfage last night. It seemed to me that I might even be hitting harder, but I bet that’s just because some people must have forgotten to retrait or I just ran into a lot of zerker glass last night.

Most of them dont dodge mate xD But yeah s/d still pretty much the same now with dagger main hand + celestial and might stacking they are having better results

Yeah you gonna be binded to those runes if you want to succeed

Apparently you have to use sigil of might plus strenght runes for imba might stack and celestial amulet with signet of restoration for sustained damage, but thieves still wreck etc etc…

silvermember.8941:

TainoFuerte.8136:

After a few more games I actually don’t know how mad I’d be without Stone Heart. It’s a genuine pity and a rather distasteful that it’s locked in PvP for new players, since it can really help carry you knowing you have a “block” button just by switching to Earth. Liking it more on hybrid/damage builds than bunker.

What do you mean locked in PvP. They can use gold to buy it or if they were smarter they would have played the other half the game they bought.

Because this changes were anounced since day one am I right? Oh guess not….

GG man, at least you made bank while you could xD

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

well you can play a tanky ele with stable dps…. dont ask me bout build coz i wont share it dont want it to be nerf by lots of player playing it.

Wow such special, it’s the 6/2/0/4/2 with rifle celestial and strength + might stacking sigil amiright?

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

there’s some players that know how to survive/kill with bunker but have totally no clue how to position. I love skyhammer for the fact that it punishes these people for guessing on one horse (bunker/enemy killing), rather then truly being good at playing spvp.

It’s the Rock scissors, paper story. If the bunker builds are Rock, then skyhammer is paper.

Working as intended, nothing needs to change.

You don’t get it do you? You can’t “outposition” when you are siting on a point either far or home, because they just get there and pull you down from stealth there is no “counter” to there there is no “skill” involved in that….

“working as intended”

Ah ok thanks, then it was probably that xD

But didnt they say they were changing that with the new patch?

OE is bad, and you are all bad if you wanted it removed, can’t you predict when that stealthed thief or engi pulls you from stealth? What are you casuls? L2position bros…
What? I dont even play those I just play my warrior with hammer and stability to no end and wreck everyone….

The map is a joke for competitive play.

dancingmonkey.4902:

Ugruk.4069:

dancingmonkey.4902:

Ugruk.4069:

Conditions dont require 3 stats like Power builds do (power prec and ferocity) to do good, so you can chose quite tanky amulets and you have a bunky damage dealer with no downside

A ton of conditions proc from other attacks like bombs, grenades, crits, shattering clones etc which even if you wanted you cant dodge them all,

And last dont require any kind of special positional thinking, just stay in range and cast them, then you can even switch it up melting the rest of the team

So yeah It’s basically it

This post above is a prime example of the things in the quoted post below.

dancingmonkey.4902:

Most of it is irrational misconception. If you read most of the complaints, those complaining do not actually even know how much damage most of the conditions are doing when compared to direct damage, or they complain about one specific skills condition duration, as if it represents conditions as a whole. If you ask me, most of the complaints are poorly thought out, and come from a clear lack of understanding of the facts of the situation.

Way to go dismissing all the points because of “irrational misconception” if they did crap damage then people wouldnt complain about them…

Why shouldn’t they be dismissed. They were not true. 100% condition duration literally double condition damage, yet folks such as yourself make the inaccurate claim, repeatedly, that only the stat of condition damage is needed in a condition build

As far as your comment about people complaining about them, well those poster, much like yourself use inaccurate information in your argument and judgement. As well, damage comparisons showing condition skills out damaging direct damage skills, even after ferocity was added, are non-existant.

If you disagree, please, by all means, show us some damage comparisons.

Here is an example from my perspective. A warrior in all soldiers gear against an bomb engineer in all dire gear. Not only does the warrior in this case severely out damage the bomb engineer, but the warrior also gets a long AoE stun, knockdown, and knock back.

What? You can reach how much condi duration in spvp? What the hell? Nobody ran that kind of condi duration, and they were still effective do you spvp at all?

So comparing OP classes the most OP one wins? Tell me more about balance… Change that warrior to a elementalist and try again…

Celtus.8456:

Ele is a bit too strong at the moment, as predicted. You should be able to perform at levels similar to or greater than what was possible back when ele was meta forever in pvp.

I think ele would have been fine with the nerfs to the other professions, and the sigil/rune changes (and maybe 1-2 small buffs). As it is now, it feels like it is too much.

And before you flame me, I have been pvping with ele for a long time. Before patch I was managing top 100 solo and teamq quite easily and consistently.

Listen to Apt, he is an actual good pvper who knows what he is talking about.

Edit: Every class is really power-creeped right now, we’ll see how it unfolds.

What is you build? To much of what exactly? Elaborate please im curious

So the way I understand they were making improvisation actually restore 1 of the types of utility skills you were USING, so if you slotted all poisons you would get all their cooldowns back from steal right?

Am I missing something?

dancingmonkey.4902:

Ugruk.4069:

Conditions dont require 3 stats like Power builds do (power prec and ferocity) to do good, so you can chose quite tanky amulets and you have a bunky damage dealer with no downside

A ton of conditions proc from other attacks like bombs, grenades, crits, shattering clones etc which even if you wanted you cant dodge them all,

And last dont require any kind of special positional thinking, just stay in range and cast them, then you can even switch it up melting the rest of the team

So yeah It’s basically it

This post above is a prime example of the things in the quoted post below.

dancingmonkey.4902:

Most of it is irrational misconception. If you read most of the complaints, those complaining do not actually even know how much damage most of the conditions are doing when compared to direct damage, or they complain about one specific skills condition duration, as if it represents conditions as a whole. If you ask me, most of the complaints are poorly thought out, and come from a clear lack of understanding of the facts of the situation.

Way to go dismissing all the points because of “irrational misconception” if they did crap damage then people wouldnt complain about them…

Conditions dont require 3 stats like Power builds do (power prec and ferocity) to do good, so you can chose quite tanky amulets and you have a bunky damage dealer with no downside

A ton of conditions proc from other attacks like bombs, grenades, crits, shattering clones etc which even if you wanted you cant dodge them all,

And last dont require any kind of special positional thinking, just stay in range and cast them, then you can even switch it up melting the rest of the team

So yeah It’s basically it

Chase.8415:

Comparing the rewards system of GW1 to GW2 is an insult. The reward system of GW1 was a thousand times better, you could actually make tons of gold and unlock expensive PvP skins for doing GvG.

In Guild Wars 2, you are still awarded essentially nothing the only people who benefited from this patch was PvE players.

Blasphemy I say!

Axelwarrior.9084:

I’m pretty sure the Dragon finisher existed BEFORE the patch. It’s not a new thing, it’s just the first time people got to dragon and could finally see it.

They tried to datamine it and didnt find anything….

LexIcon.2819:

cheese.4739:

MotherKitten.6795:

Making tempest defense work against basilisk venom seems important to me. What am I missing that the pessimists are seeing?

Nothing, they’re just upset that they weren’t given a great big ‘kill everyone’ button.

Do y’alls srsly want to become the next OP thing? We might just be back out of the nerfs due to D/D bunkers, we really don’t need another load of the things.

The only nerf to anything Ele was boon duration runes – but that’s pretty minor compared to the huge rune nerfs for other classes (Lyssa? Perplexity?) along with the ways the frustrating meta builds got dealt with.
Edit: oh, wait, sorry – and the exploit with FGS+teleport got fixed. What a shame, what a massive blow to skilful play.

Ele is still kitten, and in some aspects even worse than before.

Say otherwise and I’ll rip your arms off and poke your eyes out.

Reported

Baby.1405:

bring back jewels to spvp..

celestial on dd ele feels so crappy.. the damage is so low compared to valk+zerk ..and if i equip valk i have no crit chance.. if i equip celestial.. i have no power.. which means even when i crit its a kitten umber.. really feels like dd ele is stuck to being semi support to group fights w/ some chip damage and boons .. tbh i rather have valk w/ zerk jewel back and drop the evade on fire 3 + blast on water 3..

You look new here…

Should have played pve man, sucks to be a minority…

It’s like it was rushed away for the patch…

You missed nothing, enjoy the game and have fun unlocking everything.

Puro.8196:

Ugruk.4069:

They failed because they lack the resources to simply split spvp and the rest, so balance allways goes down the drain, and spvp gets pushed to last on the list since no one plays it because it blows and the ones that play dont spend money on the store

You’re saying they lack resources to split SPvP and the rest, but since beta SPvP HAS been split from WvW and PvE, so I am not sure what you’re getting at.

Saying no one plays SPvP is just a flat out lie though.

You know how many skills are split from spvp and the rest? Is it a handfull? I doubt it, they said it themselves, it isnt easy messing with skill balance since you cant look at spvp only…

Don’t you try to compare Spvp community numbers with wvw/pve,rofl just don’t… They said in a week they had more players doing WvW then the whole population of GW1.

Do I need to draw a picture?

Lol, people arent getting the minority reference… Allie Murdock said in a thread (can’t remember wich one I think it was about skyhammer) saying that players on the spvp forum were a minority and basically dismissing everything said by them…

Puro.8196:

Katran.9186:

Nah, I’m okay with being new player and getting less.

You are missing the point completely.

Competitive balance = equality, for instance in Counter-Strike there are no one with a stronger AWP than you, or for instance in Dota2 there are no one with a more powerful Zeus than you, or a better Rapier..

Casual balance = Based off of unlocking access to in-game equipment, for instance League of Legends where you are forced to unlock in-game content to play with the same access to in-game equipment as the professionals(not that Gw2 has pros lol), this is a time sink and only made to make people feel a false sense of accomplishment, because there’s no real accomplishment in playing 10 games to earh 3g to unlock something, it’s just a time sink.

Competitive balance is the model most suited for Gw2 since it has been this way since beta, changing it half-way through almost makes me want to get a refund for my money, because I bought Gw2 for the PVP ONLY, because it was competitively viable, something other games like AO or WoW failed horribly at, now.. Arenanet has failed as well.

They failed because they lack the resources to simply split spvp and the rest, so balance allways goes down the drain, and spvp gets pushed to last on the list since no one plays it because it blows and the ones that play dont spend money on the store

At least now I know they read the god kitten ed elementalist forum…

ronpierce.2760:

Ugruk.4069:

ronpierce.2760:

Ugruk.4069:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Down state is fine for me. I just hate the rally system. 1 person dying shouldn’t miraculously revive 4 downed players. When you rally you already have slight invulnerability—and having all your work diminish due to 1 person’s death is pretty stupid. It’d be more challenging to have 1 person get credit for the rally and then everyone else has to either rally from another person or get ressed. This allow the other team to still finish off other opponents.

This is pretty much my opinion, downed is fine in pvp but rallying shouldnt be allowed, its a great pve mechanic when you screw up, but in spvp sucks

I disagree with it being a great PVE mechanic. All of the bosses need to have large 1 shot mechanics and SUPER high auto hits just to compensate for downed state because people never “just die”, so they have to make stuff as chaotic and as hard hitting as possible or everyone would just keep getting raised forever. If people just died bosses could be more interesting and less one-shotty.

I was actually talking about leveling, not exactly boss fight, but, you know bosses are suposed to die to players right? Pve is suposed to be easy (especially on this game)

They’re not bosses if they don’t have any sort of challenge. There’s casual then there’s trivial.

And that is how they like them….

Elementalist ofc, they are going to be immune to everything and do tons of damage (diamond skin+stone heart+mega conjures super damage (lol) and people will just afk has soon as they see one on the enemy team

ronpierce.2760:

Ugruk.4069:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Down state is fine for me. I just hate the rally system. 1 person dying shouldn’t miraculously revive 4 downed players. When you rally you already have slight invulnerability—and having all your work diminish due to 1 person’s death is pretty stupid. It’d be more challenging to have 1 person get credit for the rally and then everyone else has to either rally from another person or get ressed. This allow the other team to still finish off other opponents.

This is pretty much my opinion, downed is fine in pvp but rallying shouldnt be allowed, its a great pve mechanic when you screw up, but in spvp sucks

I disagree with it being a great PVE mechanic. All of the bosses need to have large 1 shot mechanics and SUPER high auto hits just to compensate for downed state because people never “just die”, so they have to make stuff as chaotic and as hard hitting as possible or everyone would just keep getting raised forever. If people just died bosses could be more interesting and less one-shotty.

I was actually talking about leveling, not exactly boss fight, but, you know bosses are suposed to die to players right? Pve is suposed to be easy (especially on this game)

Stop complaining guys you have so much gold from spvp matches right now you couldn’t spend it all!!!

Oh wait….

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Down state is fine for me. I just hate the rally system. 1 person dying shouldn’t miraculously revive 4 downed players. When you rally you already have slight invulnerability—and having all your work diminish due to 1 person’s death is pretty stupid. It’d be more challenging to have 1 person get credit for the rally and then everyone else has to either rally from another person or get ressed. This allow the other team to still finish off other opponents.

This is pretty much my opinion, downed is fine in pvp but rallying shouldnt be allowed, its a great pve mechanic when you screw up, but in spvp sucks

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

#dragonseverywhere

Carefull you might get a forum infraction with all that" leet talk"

Just move, yeah you know you can cast while you move? Mobs dont do damage to you if they can reach you, dodge the red circles and win, it’s pve it isn’t hard man

He was just jealous of you clear superior pvp fighting skills!

Top quality back peddaling right there keep it up!

sendmark.4731:

Yeah tired of tools who think anet should drop more important development work for trivial stuff which 99% of players don’t care about. This is a bottom end priority.

When the game is fun and interesting to play and has a sizeable population as a result, then we can worry about leaderboards.

Just lol, thats why spvp in this sorry state…. Great thinking !

Thedenofsin.7340:

Ugruk.4069:

I think they will be more active now,just look at them not puting perplexity runes…

Now that they are trying to push pve players into pvp, once they see and taste the imbalance and frustration the spvp players feel they will whine too on the forums and kitten will get done.

The PVE players mostly play Warrior and thief.

The only new complaints will be warriors complaining that thieves kill them.

Yeah that why they are so gentle with them regarding nerfs, imagine the QQ of all these great “commanders” and WvW heroes if they got the nerfbat

I think they will be more active now,just look at them not puting perplexity runes…

Now that they are trying to push pve players into pvp, once they see and taste the imbalance and frustration the spvp players feel they will whine too on the forums and kitten will get done.

In on legendary… thread?

You have to time it with the teleports + sigil of hidromancy for chill