Yeah getting people to ignore you while downed just because MUH DEEPEEESSSSS sucks
So we are just going to pretend warriors dont have immunities on demand and dont even have to be vulnerable to cast their heal? Because I cant interrupt that heal, there is no counterplay besides the poison and even that doesnt suffice (cuz lololol stances).
If for them PVP is just a numbers game delete every class and leave just one so we can all have the same numbers and skills, now that would be fair.
They clearly pvp a lot…
Stay at 37 and leave while you can
You hate condi meta? Then wear melandru runes. Then you can step over the bodies of those that spam bleed stacks on you.
Yep, it is tottaly like that, you just put some runes and become a hard counter to other classes…. <.<
How can I get a refund? E-mail A-net?
The less spamming in my opinion are the ones that actually require timing on using the skills, like mesmer, elementalist and thief, if they miss a beat they will taste the salt without a doubt (well s/d thief can recover I mean 18 dodges in like 30 secs….)
Winning is one thing having fun playing is another. I can switch to hambow (or any other flavour of the month) all day and feel like a zombie, or I can play something else and get a sense of “achievement” when I win something.
Both are right, one plays to win the other plays to have fun.
Nice observation skills.
" I know a lot of turds, but this kitten smells nicer, so I prefer to keep this kitten "
That is a nice argument, but in the end it IS still a kitten
I say just removed pvp in this game so QQ in this forums stops for even just a day. read all the thread in this forum i bet 90% if not more are QQ and mostly made and commented by same person and replied by same person over and over. i would curse every one here if i could, for being a bunch of wuss cry babies. u dont like it GTFO of pvp.
Uhh, you know you dont have to read the posts right? It’s a forum to communicate what you think it is good or bad with PVP, it’s not made exactly to care if YOU dont like the posts or not.
And to “ah they dont even get to high level tournament play” remark, ofc not there are tons of warriors running around, or you think the spirit ranger numbers dropped by chance?
My point exactly " it’s fine for me, ignore the blatant imbalanced classes, just join them you will be fine!"
Tell me what class do you play again?Every single class besides elementalists are usable in top tier setups. Which doesnt mean that there arent any things that are “broken” within the toolset of these classes. It does mean that the class balance is quite ok now.
Its a relatively new MMO. If you give it time ripe it might flourish in to something grand. They are noticably adressing issues and improving the game gradually. Thats more than we can say about wow which got progressingly worse from a pvp perspective.
Pvp in that game saw 0 QoL improvements during the last few years besides the feature to play arenas with people from other server.
I play everything besides guardian myself. What about you?
So you admit the current state of the game is bad for pvp competitive ? That is exactly my point…
Im playing elementalist mostly and every other class except, warriors, so you see my point of view aint exactly biased by just choosing the most OP to play and “yeahhh its fine by me!”
Lel, indeed nurf elez, no e sprotz becuz elez! they be playn oferboard ouupie specs like diamn skiz
No one runs that
No one said anything about nerfing ele’s but I’ll use your logic. Since no one uses diamond skin would it be considered a nerf if they removed it completely?
My post was just an example of a hard counter that doesn’t really have a place when looking at the game from a balancing standpoint. One trait should not create a 100% win rate against a certain spec.
Are you okay with the developers adding similar traits that create more hard counters? I’m not.
Wanna know a big hard effing counter? Immunity when you want to condis for 8 secs, but wait! there is more! immunity when you want to Direct Damage for another 8 seconds, but wait! You can get Another 8 secs of stability All in a neat little package of stunlocks and ranged damage/aoe and survivability.
Wanna guess what class is wrong?
Great, we are on the same page. Hard counters suck. Tell me more about your warrior hate, my shoulder is awaiting your tears.
Hate the warrior? Are you kidding me? I love it! It’s the best class to play! Counters pretty much the whole class range…. Tsc tsc diamond skin is what needs to go man…
I like how people are all like “hey hey hey come and have fun in lala land!” If he got that rating in wow arenas he WANTS a competitive PVP game scene, not this “oh it’s fine for me and my casual needs, dont listen to them, they are so negative ewww”.
Yeah pvp is fine for casuals, for hardcore players? Balance is not even close think about vanilla wow it’s something like that…
And im fine with GW2s pvp…
My point exactly " it’s fine for me, ignore the blatant imbalanced classes, just join them you will be fine!"
Tell me what class do you play again?
Lel, indeed nurf elez, no e sprotz becuz elez! they be playn oferboard ouupie specs like diamn skiz
No one runs that
No one said anything about nerfing ele’s but I’ll use your logic. Since no one uses diamond skin would it be considered a nerf if they removed it completely?
My post was just an example of a hard counter that doesn’t really have a place when looking at the game from a balancing standpoint. One trait should not create a 100% win rate against a certain spec.
Are you okay with the developers adding similar traits that create more hard counters? I’m not.
Wanna know a big hard effing counter? Immunity when you want to condis for 8 secs, but wait! there is more! immunity when you want to Direct Damage for another 8 seconds, but wait! You can get Another 8 secs of stability All in a neat little package of stunlocks and ranged damage/aoe and survivability.
Wanna guess what class is wrong?
I like how people are all like “hey hey hey come and have fun in lala land!” If he got that rating in wow arenas he WANTS a competitive PVP game scene, not this “oh it’s fine for me and my casual needs, dont listen to them, they are so negative ewww”.
Yeah pvp is fine for casuals, for hardcore players? Balance is not even close think about vanilla wow it’s something like that…
Why is this topic brought up so often?
Edit: Also hard counters such as Diamond Skin don’t help.Diamond skin and eles are definitely the reason this game isn’t espahts
Lel, indeed nurf elez, no e sprotz becuz elez! they be playn oferboard ouupie specs like diamn skiz
No one runs that
This is not a joke , it is the sad truth of pvp . AI based builds destroy pvp . I want to Q up for some player versus player matches but I end up fighting mobs instead. Not only its not fun but it is also incredibly overpowered.
Really, AI based builds destroy PvP?
So Animist/Bonedancers/Spiritmasters/Cabalist/Therugist/Enchanter/Minstrel/Sorceror destroyed DAOC’s PvP?
Do you know what people did in that game instead of whining about dying to pets? They killed the pets…
Well there was a time when they did whine… and that was on Animist, Since they could summon 50 Pets in one spot…yes 50….. and you’re whining about 5 or 6..
Everytime I see someone whining about pets in this game I can’t help but laugh… You guys would slit your wrist the first time you came across a Theurgist in DAOC.
And here I thought this were the GW2 forums….
Bring Skilled play mechanics into pvp not, Skill-less play like 5 pets and pressing auto attack
I was just saying it was possible to stomp, not that he was doing anything wrong, I watched 10 secs of the movie is just kittened damage and bad/underleveled players dying I dont really care
Doesnt mean he is wrong….
It’s more about coordinating your movements and use of skills in a team fight to focus down an opponent who over-extends against the “obvious” target. Everybody is going to be on the ele, we know that, are prepared for it and try to use it against the other teams.
I will say that the ele is 100% perfectly capable of holding his own in any 1on1. And the rate at which he busts a bunker guard, warrior or knockback engi is something that I do not feel many other classes are capable of, if any.
I figured most of you were talking about a thief having the advantage of focusing an ele in a team fight because I feel 1on1, fair and square, an ele is perfectly capable of winning against a thief, as long as the player is good enough. However a thief is very proficient at pressuring eles (and everybody else) amongst all the usual condi & aoe pressure in a team fight, while usually being able to get away with it, which can make it difficult for the ele to handle unless the team is prepared for such situations and quickly turn their focus into taking down the thief before he can deal serious damage.
I feel everybody nowadays just wants to use easy-mode, passive defensive stuff that is easy to play, instead of mastering something that is high risk, high reward. Instead of again making ele the damage dealing, super mobile bunker that it was, the boring meta should be toned down a bit to improve gameplay and reward teams who are willing to try out something more dynamic instead of 5 self-serving bunkers who still somehow deal a huge amount of damage.
That’s just boring, I rather have designated roles for each players who play their roles to the extremes, with the damage dealer doing maximum damage, the condi spammer doing a maximum amount of condi, etc.
Show me a video of you killing all that stuff on a match, you know the guardian and warriors can push a button and reduce incoming damage by 30%+ regen + stability + immunities, so you cant CC them to land your burst and the damage you will do will be considerably lower, can you really kill them on time to get the point for your team? I dont think so…
I like the elementalist play style but when you have to have 3 hands and lightning fast reflexes to make it only “good/ok” in a competitive play while other classes dont even have/need a clue, it sucks and IS IMBALANCED ence the “whining” from elementalists you are so “tired” of.
I’m not saying we are the greatest team but we are all pretty much top 100 ranked players EU and if a thief wants to try killing our ele he gets introduced to a warrior’s hammer in his face and then a massive burst that will take him 100 to nothing in a matter of a split second. Teamwork can make this build work.
IMO nothing in this game has the kind of burst potential and delivery that ele so it still has its uses in the right hands.
Sorry but what talent tree is the pocket warrior skill? I cant find it, so you are saying you can 2v1 in your favor with your ele and another warrior and kill an enemy, so its balanced?
He lied to you, remember when you could stop a scrub in wow and maim him even though he was playing your “counter class”?
Here you face a huge wall and he can be literally be clicking away and drool over the keyboard and backpeddaling, because you will still lose… and he will keep the node.
Try a thief a mesmer and elementalist with berzerks amulet and jewlel it’s somewhat simmilar to rogue in wow.
Good luck
Try hambow spec is really good
Eles need and deserve the buffs. However there needs to be moderation in what Anet wil increase, because eles really have the tools and flexibility to go beyond control.
I concur. I’d rather they tone down what’s obviously OP right now than going for the power creep route which is what they’re taking since the Dhuumfire patch for almost all classes except for ele/thieves.
Guardians haven’t been getting anything useful at all.
What? They are the best bunkers in the game and can make pretty good burst with a glass canon spec, they dont need anything o.O
Lol, just mute them, and continue to improve? Why the need to make a forum post, are you special or something?
Dragon’s Tooth is PERFECT as it.
It fits a niche among all of my skills which cannot be fit by any other skill.
I want to see other skills which are a LOT more useless (fire autoattack) changed instead of seeing DT changed into some stupid version of Ice Spike (which is something I NEVER use).
Teach me master
Here’s the pickle ANET created though…
They intentionally made some professions – like a necro – with little mobility and no immunities. Instead, they made their defenses based on DS and tanking damage, instead of avoiding it.
Thus, if you change the amount of damage being shelled out, it impacts different professions unproportionately. Reducing damage would help Necros and some other professions/builds much more than others.
For example… stealth, mobility, and immunities can help you avoid infinite amounts of damage…so “reducing everything” won’t impact those “defenses” as much as it would a profession that uses non-infinite damage defenses.
ANET keeps affirming that they INTEND things to be this way, so it really puts them in a pickle in terms of balancing the professions and increasing/decreasing damage.
For example, should a Necro be balanced on having 100% LF at the start of a fight, 50%, or 0%…Since DS does not have the “infinite” defense capability of other defenses, should DS allow a Necro to tank 1v1 damage, 2v1 damage, 3v1 damage???
In short…it seems obvious to say “reduce everything”…but they made some fundamental design decisions that make it a little more complex…and can actually harm balance more than it helps.
The thing is NOT running away is BETTER on this node point system, so the player that tanks more damage has the advantage, so reduce or give more game modes….
proud hambow warrior reportin in
That’s an oxymoron.
Nah, just moron :P
Anyway, warriors are indeed OP, being able to be immune to all damage, condidtions, and CC while still being able to damage and stun people IS over the top, but it suits the WvW agenda so….
Finnaly someone with the same issues, I have lag too I even switched my keyboard in vain to see if that was the issue.
Ele can still hit like a truck while wielding Barbarian amulet which gives 20k hp. I hit 13k Fire Grab on a warri with Barbarian amulet on. With might stacking you can get around 2,5k power as well and 75% crit chance with fury, around 50% crit dmg with Arcane trait.
Stop lying?
ladies and gentlemen, i give you…BURST.
http://youtu.be/1gAif9qE4WY?t=36s
Wow he killed a ton of players on that video, eles are fine…
What is dodging, what is toughness, what is healing, stuns and dazes and conditions, notice that he wastes all his utilities on damage skills because dummys dont really hit back.
We are all blind elemantilists are the best! That why no one plays them!
Oh wait….
Warrior chasing you?
Step 1. Cast dragon tooth.
Step 2. Keep running for 1s.
Step 3. 180 into AOE ring.
Step 4. Numbers.I would be very sad if they nerfed the damage on dragons tooth. There are many very easy skills to land as an ele. We already have a wide array of instant damage skills… (air attune, scepter 2, scepter 3, arcane skills, lighting flash, magnetic wave, etc…)
Forgot about the part where he knocks you back when in range and you almost die.
It must be another mouthbreathing clicker playing full berser and questioning himself, “How did that ele burted me down, so OP!” Im betting you are a mesmer, just like the one I found in SoloQ, saying that he prefered to fight 3 warriors at the same time instead of a elementalist…
Play one get back to the foruns later, to the WVW because this one is the Spvp…
Next fanboi please.
Lel you enjoy the attention I see, I dont even know o jewbro is I havent even clicked the link, I found amusing your kneejerk reaction to it, stay pleb.
Use it for a 6 second cooldown blast finisher, to force a dodge by standing under it, to pressure downed people or people ressing or after an updraft/gale.
It’s not useless, but its not easy either. Not every skill can be as useful in PvP.
Although I do agree shatterstone needs some work. That skill is utterly useless
Why not? I cant seem to get why we should accept skills that dont work, even when using them “correctly”.
It doesnt make a-net money
Class: Elementalist
Worst Enemy:
1. All other classes
Came here to post this, including any pet ofc
A ‘thank you’ that conveniently doubles as advertising.
Presumably, the people you want to thank already have access to this link by virtue of the reason you want to thank them.
Need a new subforum for these ‘eSports’ narcissists.
Stop being so buthurt about a forum post, it’s not like he is going to steal the spotlight from you
Never, they dont want to touch the people that do pve and wvw on their no-no place, so what is good for them, sucks for us!
GW2 PvP community, out of all the other games I’ve played yet is by far the worst for me. It’s not everyone but a huge number just likes to complain, accuse and insult all day.
I would love to see you play arenas in wow on Stormscale. On a related note, people dont like losing and if you are there “just trying to play” and not trying to win being with sub optimal specs, for your class, people get angry.
So git gud playing dps guard and show them wrong or play hotjoin/ with friends
Solo Q is a glorified hot join, but with only 5 mouthbreathers team limit
Casuals and carebears like easy stuff, wvw brings easy pvp, urr durr gaize luk at mah critz mom! Aoe Aoe PUUUUUUUUUUUUSHHHHHH, creaming their pants while hiting a wall or door…. So they like it because it is easier.
What the dude above me said, gotta walk the walk if you gonna talk the talk DAWG, show me how easly you beat them
Yeah it is pretty sad to see brain dead specs see so much play, because “muh e-sport foh casulz”
I think this lists would be more valuable if people posted the class they play
I saw an ele once almost kill a warrior. He got the warrior to like 63% hp. ’Nuff said.
Let’s not get over our heads here… 63% is a bit too much man….
Thanks man, this guide inspired me to roll a warrior.
All I see is great warrior gameplay (stop hating on the dude guys, you shouldnt be mean to people because they are stupid).
Thanks OP nice video, keep it up
Warrior isn’t the only class with op builds. I agree with them being strong, but what about those blind spamming guardians or stealth spamming thieves or spirit rangers or bunker engis? This game is as closed to being balanced as it can be but even so op builds will exist
I love how you come" defending" warriors not being completly overpowered in the state of the game, because suposedly other classes are OP too, what is this Blind spaming guardians build you talk about? they got 1 in the great sword, 1 in the main hand sword and on the focus? that 3 blinds wich can go in 3 auto atacks. If they even use all these together…
And what are these stealth spaming thieves? Are they killing you with boredom? because they arent damaging you nor capping the points thats for sure, in fact they arent even that much played since you can go dodging stuff with sword dagger, doing damage and contesting a point.
Or are you talking about “pvp” in WvW, because this is the SPVP forum.
The conquest mode gives an incentive to this low mobility high sustain, facerolling specs, and A-net is just scared to act on nerfing the classes because it would afect WvW too, were the real money comes from (gems), and since they dont have the resouces to split the spells from pvp to pve, you get this bad joke that is called SPVP….