Guild Wars 2

Banono.4597:

Question number one doesn’t make much sense. People have to pick a server and being with friends and guildies is easily the number one reason with special interests such as WvW standings, RP, or event farming being a distant second.

I would be amazed if WvW ranking was even considered when a player who enjoys PvE picks a server. Friends > All other things.

In fact, if they removed WvW buff from the PvE servers, I doubt many PvE heavy player would really notice, and even less would care.

Just saying, because when I started this game I was a PvE only player, and WvW just,.. well I found it fun, so I did it. Buffs and all that, well, getting wrapped up in that ruined it for me for a while, as opposed to made it better.

Anyway, if you want to get a PvE player into WvW, you need to start with Respecting them as players and people first and not looking them as cannon fodder for your side.

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

I think you need to focus on #2, Lights. The rest of your questions are just jabs at the very audience you’re trying to recruit. :P

This hits the nail on the head as to why I think a lot of people who enjoy PvE don’t walk into the WvW.

When people see posts like OP, the last thing they want is to have to deal with them, and even less want have to depend on them to stay alive. Ya know?

Lightsbane.9012:

PS: should probably move this since pve exclusive players have no reason to be in this subforum

Yah. I was thinking this as I read your post.

You know, some people like to play different ways, and that’s a good thing really, and that is why there are all kinds of ways to play GW2. So, lets let that be.

As for The server they are on, could simply have been because when they were first making a character they liked the name, and that was all their was to it.

As for the buffs, we are talking a 2% overall variance between being 1st and 3rd, to someone that PVE’s, unless they are a die hard number cruncher, they would not notice the difference.

I mean I love WvW but, when I am out there fighting, I am not thinking about the buffs, but about the glory of battle and having fun. If someone else wants to fight a dragon while I am storming a keep. That’s cool in my book.

Just saying.

Shanks.8793:

Hello everyone!! [TFoR] want to thank SFs and FCc for the great fights.

About some people saying that ET players hide till SFs are sleeping I would like to remind you all of " Time zones " I play usually around the morning / afternoon in my country and people call me a " night shift commander ’ while its not really night for me. xD Whatever I think SFs give us enough challenging fights even at those " nights "
Best of luck for SFs and FCs.

Hey Duke! I know you guys! Been in a few runs with you all, great peeps and lots of fun!

Anyway, pay them no mind, their idea of “sleeping” is when they don’t outnumber us 10 to 1, and they have to fight us with more even odds. LoL.

Anyway, You guys rock! Great game so far! Keep it up!

Ok.

Since everyone wants to jump on the band wagon of throwing pitches for every server, their own or others, I’ll thorw in my 2 cents.

Come to Ferguson Crossing

Are you a Die hard player. Do you not take death lying down. Does it take being spiked several times to finally kill you, do you laugh in the face of death? Does the fact that I am mentioning you will die, a lot, many times over, entice you to come check out what the deal is? Then FC is for you.
In Ferguson’s we can promise you brutal, bloody defeat, any day of the week, any time you want it, even at a moment’s notice. In fact if you tell our stellar commanders how and to whom you want to get killed by, they can oblige your request almost any time of the day or night.

At FC, we are on the top of our game even if we are on the bottom of the totem pole. We have fought some of the best servers around, and we take pride in the fact that when it comes to getting stomped. we are up there with the best of them. In fact, ask the last server that faced off against us, they moved to 2nd place because everyone between us and T2 was skared of them. That’s right, we faced off against some of the best servers ever, and lost brutally each time. but still we came back for more.

So if dirt naps, being overrun, and trampled to death under the boot heel of some oversized server that will one day make other servers quake in their path, knowing full well you were willing face anything, rushing to your death with wild abandon and fearlessness, then Ferg is the server for you. Wimps and Whiners need not apply.

Ferg, yes, we are all going to die here.

Come to Sorrows Furnace

Are you tired of winning and bragging about how great you are? Would you rather win and complain about it? Does the idea of overrunning the other servers on your tier for 6 weeks straight and still wanting to play the victim card turn you on? Do you feel the need to deny the people and teams that made your victories possible, by being able to outnumber and over coverage your opponents, and thus result in blow out match after blow out match. Then Sorrows Furnace is for you.

In fact, if you come to Sorrows Furnace, not only will your arrival be denied, your contribution will be as well. If that fills you with joy, and the idea of being able to whine even while winning is worth more then the winning itself. The yes, Sorrows Furnace can provide. Sorrows Furnace has been destroying it’s tier now for no less than 6 weeks straight, and still makes a fuss if other servers can get holdings on their land making claims of being asleep, or having no crew during that time, and if you want to be a part of that, come on down. We won’t admit you arrived, ever, and gosh if you leave, we will make a public parade that we are losing people in mass exodus.

Sorrows Furnace, for those that want to win and whine about it!

Come to Eredon Terrace

Does the state of confusion entice you? Do you feel the urge to blindly and rabidly follow a commander tag (Even off a cliff to your death) then Eredon Terrace is for you.

We have no tact, no order, and we depend on other people with blue Doritos chips over their heads to have a clue what to do and if that sounds like you, then ET is the place for you. Here at ET we follow directions, cluelessly and mindlessly we will brutalize anything that we are told to, once we finish capping this last point. So if you like being part of a zombie-eque brute squad, or leading one, Consider ET, in fact, we are so single-minded we will run back to a fight we just died in, simply because the commander hasn’t way pointed yet.

So, if you can’t grasp defeat, and want to know what it feels like to be on the Zombie side in a horror film, then Eredon is the server for you.

Eredon Terrace, Arrrrr Brainz!

Yes, this is all Satire and done in good fun

Scumbag Mawile.6384:

Where’s that famous ‘take-it-all-back-while-SF-is-sleeping’ night crew of yours, ET?

Defending your tower and camp? :vvvvvvv)

You mean this Crew? The one that was stomping you while you were fighting back.

All your Garrisons are belong to us.

a Big shout out to the new and old members of the ET Morning/Night Crew! You guys Rock!

Jeknar.6184:

We talk, but we never update the scores… We have people that problably aren’t on game too:

What the … mate. I saw the scores this morning and it was like SF 27 ET 12 FC 10, and SF was looking to gain like 20 points. I look at it now, with SF 38, ET 19, FC 18, and SF is looking to lose 10 points.

That’s some crazy right there.

TheRatofFilth.3528:

DO MY EYES DECEIVE ME? Did I really spend 60$ to get back on here after my temp ban….YES I DID. But now I have a toon on ET as well. Just want to thank all those that that made this possible can’t wait to see my fellow ET’rs in WvW..and hope our secrets don’t slip. (even though ban was for 1 day I just couldn’t wait)

Well the PM’s in my in-box and this Post, tell me you had some fun while I was at work.

Anyway, I must say do ponder your motive to take ET as a server for what would amount to be at best, some throw away alt.

Now before you answer me as to why you chose ET, understand that the core of my question comes from the fact that if you were going to spend 60 dollars, I can’t really grasp why not make an account on a highly populated server (That would be expensive to transfer to), perhaps a T2 or even T1, then go out and observe the way they play, take notes, join an active WvW guild, learn some tips, tricks, and things to bring back to SF to help them improve for when you plan to pull out of T7. I mean that is what I would do.

I realize of course that it is your money, and you are free to do with it as you please, but, if it was me, and I was going to spend an additional 60 bucks on the game, I would not be taking a world in the same tier I was in, as that just strikes me as more of the same old same old.

I mean you just guest on ET if you wanted to PvE, and as far as going into WvW, can’t see that either. However, to be fair, their is the novelty of being able to kill yourself in WvW, so that might be worth 60 bucks I guess. I could really see the humor in that.

Anyway, Welcome back.

geekanerd.4123:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

FilthyRat.4652:

Man so depressing to wake up and see ET in second place again just hope FC comes out in force tonight and changes that.

Do you need a hug, bro?

Do not worry, remember with 5 or 6 players ET and FC can face down any number of SF players. It apparently happens all the time. Still trying to be on one of these SF zergs that gets faced down by 10% of their numbers. Maybe I am just so good that all the zergs I happen to run with never lose an outmanned fight?

Don’t worry, dude. Once GambitsEnd.6028 gets on, he’ll take down combined FC/ET zergs single-handed. Well, him and his trusty Dolyak, Sorrow’s Furryak. I’ve been in an FC zerg that he and ol’ Furryak have destroyed. Crazy kitten. I wasn’t even mad. I was just impressed.

You know, I had to look that up, it’s been a while. I guess his daily vid series hit a snag.

FilthyRat.4652:

Ungood.3054:

FilthyRat.4652:

Don’t worry you will see me in your match up thread since you are so interested in ours…good luck and godspeed friend.

I think I speak for most people on this topic when I say “Feel free to stay there”

WE are such good friends do you really think even when we move to T7 that I would ever leave you…I will always be there for you through all the rough moments. Friends never forget those in the past that they have shared so many joyous moments with.

Did you just Double Responding to the same quoted exchange?

Gosh I hope you never leave, you are such high quality entertainment to these forums. I will cherish your contributions of additional pages and posts to these topics always.

Jeknar.6184:

Ungood.3054:

FilthyRat.4652:

Don’t worry you will see me in your match up thread since you are so interested in ours…good luck and godspeed friend.

I think I speak for most people on this topic when I say “Feel free to stay there”

I think T8 thread needs love too… After all, it’s all about JQ/BG, etc (even here we comment on that =P).

LOL, Love is not the word I would use.

FilthyRat.4652:

Don’t worry you will see me in your match up thread since you are so interested in ours…good luck and godspeed friend.

I think I speak for most people on this topic when I say “Feel free to stay there”

Kerithlan.1659:

To be completely fair to Jeknar, the majority of guilds leaving SoS transferred to BG. Jeknar left when BG became stronger, not weaker, and preferred losing to JQ over waiting for over an hour to queue up.

It’s cute when people who don’t follow other tiers try to commentate on them.

For those of us, to whom it matters, and can be respectful on these forums, you don’t need to explain. We have some trolls here, that can’t seem win with grace, and for many of us here, while we hold no grudge against SF or it’s numbers, their trolls do tend to paint a bad picture for them.

But then again, you also have to realize that before coming down to T8, SF had only won 2 matches, in their entire history, both of them were flash in the pan wins, and followed by a crushing defeat the next week, sometimes even against the same opponents.

I for one am glad to have people like Jeknar here, and it seems our numbers are growing, which is aparenlty in our last 2 weeks of better scores, I will extend my hand to say that here in ET we will welcome and are glad to have anyone that wants to run with us. In ET you are never judged by your guild tag, nor are you a nameless face in the zerg ball, everyone matters to us, and we are glad to stand by and for each other.

Now, if FC is losing people, or ET is gaining, or a combo thereof, I am not sure, but I will say that the fights between FC and ET now are things of joy and fun. In fact, running neck and neck with FC has made WvW rather fun again for me. It’s good to have a friendly competition going again. It feels more alive then it used to where we just focused on SF and they kinda steamrolled the zones.

In fact, I was running my ranger out in SF lands, killing yaks for my daily and I saw this FC thief doing the same thing, It was really cool how we waited and let each other kill our SF yaks before fighting it out, (yes, he killed me, and I hope he got a badge for it)

Anyway. With anything. We are glad to have people here in ET, and we welcome more to come if you are looking for a place where each and every person matters and can make a difference.

Jeknar.6184:

Let’s hope the start doesn’t show how it will end eh?

Nahh. Last week ET had a bad start, and the week before that, ET had a worse start, and moved from 3rd to 2nd. Never let the first night dictate the rest of the week.

Sides, we I know we have a lot of working stiffs on ET, so there is a good chance with tomorrow being the week end, we will be a little more activity.

silverfire.2547:

Taking everything while the other team is asleep isn’t impressive. Not for us, and not for anyone.

I agree.

But it is what you have been doing for the last 6 weeks.

Oh wow. I’ll be honest, I did not expect this week to end this way.

SF took a 51 point dive, putting it at 108 points below the lowest T7 server. Now, if they did this to game the system, and maybe build up FC and ET’s numbers so that beating us would give them better point totals and allow them to pull out faster, then well played and I hope you all know what you are doing.

I was expecting another 350 Point Blowout by SF and a 20 to 30 point gain. None the less, lets see what the new week brings.

I hope everyone had their fun this week and we all enjoyed the battles.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Sigdur.4025:

Cheers to another fun week of Sorrow’s Furnace dominating our servers by sheer numbers alone. Thank you for this amazing opportunity for the eighth week in a row, ArenaNet!

katz.8376:

look at the bright side… its another week to laugh at them while watching them PvDoor with no siege trying to retake their own keep

LOL, still crying the numbers thing? Must be pretty sad over there if that is all you can keep coming up with. And the lame “our 6 defenders held off an entire 30+ SF zerg all by ourselves” or maybe the “I took on 7 SF invaders on my own and won” amazing stories. I am sure that MAYBE that happens once in a while but if all the stories we hear from you guys were true there is no way we would be winning.

And another LOL moment when you realize that the PvGate you are talking about is just a distraction while we take everything else. But keep up your delusions of granduer. We will be working on the all green maps like we always are.

Seriously, you guys cry and complain about how SF folks supposedly act and yet you guys are just as bad if not worse. Sure, you guys will flame me for pointing out the obvious, but remember who always starts talking crap on these threads

This makes sense when I think about it.

I mean besides the glaringly obvious that if SF has the forces to both distract ET’s main force and still have the troops to launch additional attacks across the board, that they must outnumber ET (and FC for that matter) by a large margin.

But lets not talk about that, as the sheer overwhelming numbers SF has seems to be a sore spot for them.

However, since I was at that keep, mind you, getting the Vista for 2 toons, and helping a guild through it, and hating it each and every time. I realize that after I started to get back into the thick of things, you guys were exceptionally sloppy.

I mean most of the time when SF attacks, it’s a good strong force, Hits two walls (or Door&Wall) , and ET can only defend one, and we lose the point in short order.

However, this morning was just horrid. SF dropped almost 4 walls in the courtyard, and attacked the door, and after the walls went down, only like small bands moved in, which were a lot of border fighting, back and forth. I was downed twice by treb shots, and finally killed by a larger force moving in and taking the keep. But all in all, it had to be one of the worst showings I had seen of SF to date. If it was just a distraction, your main force throwing the expendable and disposable at us, that would make sense now that you mention it.

Well played.

Jeknar.6184:

So for you I ran away from BG because i was scared to lose to JQ? If that was really true, it would make more sense if i had joined SF, the winning team, no?

You sir have used logic and reason on an internet forum! That’s a time out for you buster!

Anyway, yah. If you moved to ET to get away from the risk of losing, you did it wrong.

geekanerd.4123:

ET’s coverage has definitely improved over the past several days. Yes, I don’t doubt some folks are burning the midnight oil. I don’t think that’s the full story anymore, though.

Just a hunch. And little birds have been tweeting interesting things.

Anyway, at least it’s a different look. Well played, Eradon.

There is no doubt something is going down (or up as the case may be) for team Bean. I have seen some new, and very skilled commanders hit the field, there seems to be overall more people on the map as well. If that is the PvE crowd coming out to play or transfers from another server, I don’t know, but I am happy to see them there on the field.

Welcome our new fighters, we are glad to have you, and you are making a vast and wonderful difference!

Welcome to ET! Glad to have you here!

See we are getting new people! Woohoo!

Anyway. While yes, a tad early, I would say you are accurate as to what the match up will be.

The only question at this point is. Will ET remain Blue this week?

Anyway, lets try to keep this clean.

I would also like to see how many Troops Each Side has. Not the exact numbers, but maybe the ratio on the field. Like say, How many they have vs your 1 on the field.

So, like in the UI at the top of the Wv3 Interface, just have the numbers there, that say something like

.75 – (your team is always 1) – 3.5

If you have 4 people for every 3 one teams has, and the other team has 7 on the field for your 2.

Just saying. It would be cool to see something like that, so we could get a clear picture of what we are facing.

Scumbag Mawile.6384:

Actually, six of us in an ET BL tower wiped a 20-ET zerg tonight. I’d been ready to jump out the back since it looked like a guaranteed loss, but… o.0

Oh, and no siege. Just bodies. Vets were history, champ went down fast but then they just sort of… ran around and died?

This made me smile, because, there is a good chance, that the commander was not planning to take it at that time and just move past it to a supply camp, and what you got was a few confused players who could not quite figure out how to just run past something without attacking it, that would explain the lack of siege.

I know it was hard for me to just run past a green tower, but, I trusted my commanders that they knew what they were doing it seems those that you killed, needed to learn that lesson.

Thank you for teaching them.

I want to say.. to everyone that responded to me.. Thank you. You guys really are made of win.

geekanerd.4123:

Ungood is being modest. I was there, watching, when he killed all those SF toons. I was also there after he logged off and Ferg attacked. Just his essence, the strata of bits and bytes and lines of code, were warped into something indescribable. Even not there, he was still /there/, somehow, and the echo of his character destroyed our 20+ zerg. And Jormag. Plus several of those really annoying silver mobs that set bombs in CM.

I laughed so hard reading this, I almost spit my drink out about the silver mobs in CM..

Really think it is the ability to laugh with everyone here, that really makes you all great people.

To the OP.

Good stuff. I had been wondering about a class to move to since capping a guard (Which I love), and after what tuned out to be a rather dismal run with several other class, because I like to jump into the fray and mix it up, but, it seems, beyond a AH Guard, not much can do that and live, but after watching the vids, I think thief might be right up my ally.

Thank you!

I would be very happy with Just different styles of maps to be honest, like maybe a “Lava” theme, or even a “Branded” “Risen” and “Icebrood” theme.

Maybe use the difference races as foundations for maps, like a map looking like it was all made by the Charr, or made of Trees, etc, etc.

There is quite a bit they could do, to spice up the maps without making us run even further >.<

While I am sure every idea will have it’s supporters and it’s haters, the hope of this thread is that if you have an idea, feel welcome to share it, and while I realize that in the end, we may very well be talking into the wind, perhaps, maybe, just maybe, someone with the ability to affect the outcome of the game might see an idea they like, or an idea that sparks to other ideas into fruition, and thus hopefully something comes from it.

So there I was. I was all alone, and it was just me and 40+ Sorrows Furnace people, they hit me with everything, from Golems to Catapults, to battering Rams. yes, I ran up to their battering rams and let them hit because I am just that super tough.

I even took a sammich break, washed my hair, and played with the dog, and they still could not get past the super awesome bodaciousness that is Eredon Terrace banner flying high above me. enticing and inspiring me on to greater acts of valor and courage, even while AFK.

40 of them came, in seven ways, throwing everything from alchemist to rhinos at me, and we held the line, that’s right. me, myself, and I, took down the entirety of SF in one go!

Ooook then. Can we stop the ridiculous smack talk, please, or I’ll be forced to make up even more silly stuff in the future, I might even have to retort to quoting Po.

Wow. You know that is a great stepping stone idea sostronk.8167

Siege

Reclaiming Left Behind Siege

What would be great if they gave us the ability to dismantle our siege and reclaim some of the supply and a chance at the prints back.

The ability to do this would need to be limited to the person that dropped the siege in the first place however.

Tower Defense Upgrades

I love the idea of Tower/Keep/Castle defensive siege systems, maybe have their own unique items items that don’t go away till the tower is taken. But they go away when the tower is taken.

Moving Siege

I could so get behind the idea of Various kinds of Moving Siege, like Mechanical Massive Bulls that function like battering rams, or Arrow carts that have wheels so we can drag them behind us.

Maybe Different kind of Golems:

• Assault Golems that are designed to charge people as opposed to walls.
• Ranged Golems that Hurl Rocks of use a Ballista like a crossbow
• Maybe “Fast” golems, or more aptly an upgrade that can be put on a golem, that allows them to move as fast a a person.

Siege Upgrades

Have it so we can get a Cover for the Battering Ram, that protected the people using it from ranged attacks

So yah. That is a great spring board idea that could lead a lot of great stuff being added.

I think this is one of the largest hurdles for anyone to face when they look at the way WvWvW is set up.

“Now what do we do?”

“Where can we go next with this?”

And that is a big question sitting around because, while it seems that many of the Wv3 players are looking for something more it seems that their is a definitive lack of what this “More” should or could be.

I personally would like to see More

Maps.

Yes you heard me, if I am going to have to face the same opponent, at least give me several new maps to do it on.

Gear

Yes that’s right. I said Gear, sorry but what is there, is not enough. We should have our own gear set up in Wv3, and think about it, Wv3 is the perfect set up for grinding tokens. Think of this way, Every time you take a Point, you get a Token.

Keep, Towers, Castles, Camps, all award their own style of tokens (yay Less inventory! Not like we got much loot in Wv3 anyway, so this would at least make us feel like we are getting something)

Then we trade these tokens in for loot equal to Exotics form Dungeons and Karma. This keeping Wv3 a bit more self contained.

Karma

Allow us to Buy stuff with it. Like Siege Weapons, and order upgrades with it, as opposed to using gold. Karma is in ample supply in Wv3, give us a means to use it.

Ok those are my idea, feel free to add to the list as to what you would like to see in WvWvW and where it can go from here.

Please, lets keep this constructive, and please no bashing other peoples ideas.

Detharos. Most of what you said could have been said by someone from ET, using ET as the base, and would not have seemed the least bit out of place. Look, end of the day, we are where we are.

If that means, we have gotten tired of dealing with SF and have opted to go after each other, great. I mean, it is an open world of fighting. Currently, I don’t fault anyone from Ferg for killing me, taking our keeps, or anything else, nor do I feel any remorse for attacking them, or taking FC’s land marks. It is, what it is. Part of the game.

Detharos.3157:

I hate to say it but facts are facts, every previous week Ferguson’s Crossing was blue team because we were as a server, significantly more powerful than Eredon Terrace. We had greater numbers and coverage than ET, so much so that we maintained those 20k leads while SF had 90% of its focus on us rather than ET.

I hate to say it but, Both our lands got painted green, the Battle grounds got painted green, If Ferg received any additional pressure from SF, it was because perhaps SF viewed them as a bigger threat, that is all, there was to it.

There were no Alliances, no supporting each other, at our best, we came to an understanding of leaving each other alone was our to our best advantage. Not everyone realized that, no doubt, after all, ET and Ferg are servers, not teams, not groups, just servers, and anyone is able join the server, and anyone is able to go to WvWvW and do what they like there.

Perhaps, if Anet had put in some plan that made WvWvW their own thing, as opposed to annexed to the PvE server, so that the WvWvW could be smaller, more definitive, and for some people, limited to their guild, that might have had an amazing impact, and then alliances, NAP, and other such things could become a reality among the WvWvW Teams, with what we have now, such things, were wonderful ideals and dreams, but amounted to nothing more then that.

The reality is, here today, now, we were, and are, doing the best we can with what we have. Some days, we do well, some days we don’t.

Now, if ET got a surge of people (and honestly I hope we did, as that would be great), and that means we somehow pulled ahead and are in the lead, then that is life. There is no need to explain it, or justify it. Every side has it’s good players, it’s bad players, and yes, we all have our trolls that we all could do well without.

In the end, as you said. It is a game. And for myself, I have realized that bothering myself with this, is well.. bothering me.

It’s has become less fun the more I have gotten involved with it off the field, it is painfully apparent that the same ego and vanity that infects most PvP games also has it roots in WvWvW which, well, it is these trolls and jerks that poison the joy of what open combat could be, and that is friendly competition.

Anyway, above it all, I personally have come to realize that discussion on the WvWvW forums will not change anything.

Here is what it boils down to, we are not forced to do it, we are not required to WvWvW and the rewards .. ehh.. they are lack luster to say the least, not to mention there is no punishment for losing.

So if I am on the field, it should be for love of the game. And I needed to see that myself, hence why I had not posted on this topic for a day, I had gotten angry in the past, let my temper flair, and let things get to me, I took what should have been a silly pointless game, personally. For that, I apologize. I’m an adult, I should know better.

So if you see me on the field, it is because I want to be there, if I walk off, it’s because I don’t.

In that, if someone is not enjoying the game on their server they are on, I do not fault them for moving on, for finding a place where they can have the fun they want. I wish them well in fact.

With the coming Guild Events, I hope to be spending more time with the great people of my guild doing that. If we lose a bit more in WvWvW because a good number of people want to PvE more because of the new stuff coming out, meh, such is the fate of a game.

Anyway. I wish everyone on Ferg and SF well, I hope you enjoy your time on the field as much I plan to enjoy mine. if you guys pull to 2nd this week, kudos, if not, well, I can see you are giving a great fight, and I guess that is where the real reward is, in the battles, the fun, and the fights on the field.

It’s a game, lets try to have some fun there.

Orikx.9671:

Honestly I agree with you Glicko is broken

It’s not broken, it simply has too few “teams” to work with. Glicko2 is designed to build a personal profile and take innumerable people and match them up in balanced matches. It works great in this regard, which is why most PvP systems use it.

As others have pointed out, the answer is in more WvWvW Servers, a lot more, like in the 100 range more, because the fact is, the more “profiles” you ad to the system the more balanced the matches it can create.

That is where the real problem is the limit of only 24 servers, in which case, you end up lop sides matches because not everyone is going to fit neatly into 3 “team” matches, when you have so few teams, and blow outs happen, either low or high, and that is the current set up we have.

Anyway, others have noted, the solution is in more WvWvW Servers. I support that, and think it would make good for the game overall.

Maybe make WvWvW Seperate Servers, and such

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

SF is actually set to lose rating this week, it’s still early but at best they’ll just stay at the rating they were at the start.

It’s always like that at the start of the week.

I am not worried, since It’s only Monday, I would predict that SF will do around a 340 – 380 again this week (With a lead of around 200 – 220), which hopefully will net them a solid 30 point gain, and move them towards getting out T8 in roughly 2 weeks.

I might help that along, and look to PvE with the Guild event thing going on. Looks kinda cool.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

It was only partially Free Transfers, the other part was Wintersday ending and the PvE community getting back into WvW. No one is saying we didn’t deserve to initially be in T8, but we have been slaughtering them for quite a while now since we regathered.

The fact that we are destroying them as much as we are with a rating drop is significant to how detrimental the scoring system is.

I am sure the end of Free Transfers had some people commit to making the move and being SF full time, where before they may have only stopped in from time to time.

As for anything else, you would know your population better then I would, and, beyond seeing definitive spikes, which can only be caused by coverage increase, I can only speculate. For all I know, it could be the same 40 – 60 people taking a lot of no-doze lol

Orikx.9671:

I know my first post was way to long so you probably missed it so i will try to do it in not so many words.

No, I caught what you said and I disagree with you . In that vein, you have not given me a single reason to agree with you, it is that simple.

Now, I am not trying to be rude here, but the number of words you use will not have any bearing on if your point is valid, and it’s not, because, simply put, you do not understand the situation in T8.

Yes. I am sure, Sanctum Rail had a blast destroying T2, for the grand total of 2 weeks till it moved to T1, where it now fits nicely.

Now, Imagine if Sanctum Rail was still in T2, for going on 8 weeks, still winning by 200+K points for the last 4 weeks in a row, but not allowed to move to T1 where it more then likely belonged, because the 3 people in T1 were locked in (or were not doing bad enough to move to T2)

Do you really think you would even entertain someone from T1 saying no matter how much you win you don’t belong in T1, and tell the other people in T2 that that they would just get soooooooo destroyed by whoever took your place. Don’t make me laugh.

The reality is, Blackgate is fitting better into T2 then Sanctum Rail did, that is for sure, and that is what we want in T8. So spare me any line like how we don’t deserve it.

Altho. I had a similar discussion with someone from Tarnished Coast, they gave me a line how they loved losing and were better fiber then T8, well, I’m patient (been in ET willingly for the last 50 days, still new, just started 50 days ago) and I’ll see how they like loosing for the next several weeks, because, well, it looks like BG is lined up to be in T2 for a LONG time, and it looks like they are going to stomping TC for a LONG time as well. We will see how it goes, the fates might be Kind to TC and let them drop to T3, as opposed to being brutally stomped week in and week out, a Kindness that T8 will never see, but I doubt anyone outside T8 really understands that.

Anyway, good day sir.

I hope you enjoy your tier, 2nd place is quite lofty. Congrats on your position.

In the end, the real answer here lies with Anet, not us.

I would like to point out something, for those that think SF was T7, and that they always had the ability, and that is why they are winning right now.
Notice
Week 1
SF – 211
FC – 215
ET – 189

This was when SF fight came down, fresh from a 3 week stay in T7, notice this is a very tight match up against T8 and they even lose by a slight 10K points.

Week 2
SF- – 227
FC – 212
ET – 147

Again, SF and FC are still very evenly matched. only a 10K disparity at this point. ET seems to have taken the week off lol.

Week 3 – (Note, this week ended Jan 26)
SF – 254
FC – 179
ET- 167

Right there you can see a total change in SF’s game plan, from a 10K disparity the last 2 weeks, to complete surge of an 80K lead. At this point SF gained the means to vastly increase their coverage.

Big point to note, this week ended Jan 26, just 2 days before the end of Free Transfers.

Week 4: (Free Transfers end this week)
SF – 309
FC – 150
ET – 136

Wow. Look at that, from 10K variance, to 80K surge to a 150K blowout.

Their Final Surge was Week 5 where they took a 200+ Control of the map, and have since been hovering.

There was nothing progressive about this, this was purely a surge in their coverage that allowed them to take that kind of control of the board, control they did not have the first 2 weeks of the match up, coincidentally the Surges, coinciding with with the ending of Free Transfers.

Orikx.9671:

Do realize they moved up because of War Machine, and whoever else transfering there and stacking the server? They are in T2 now and doing very well. You think FC would stand a chance against BG?

I am well aware of that, and iirc War Machine joined them before they left T8, In fact, you can see a very distinct and definitive jump Kaineng’s numbers between week 49 and 50, which was before they left T8.

So yes. I can use their numbers from T8 to T2, and compare each of the opponents they fought and get a fairly apt reading.

Orikx.9671:

LOL, you are using Kaineng moving out of T8 and domianting T7 as an example that T8 has fight?

Yes, that is exactly what I am doing.

I am showing a direct comparison on how well each tier did against the same opponent

Now if you counter to that is to say that T7 are the bigger cowards because they ran and hid at the thought of facing Kaineng as opposed T8 fighting it out with them, well, I won’t disagree, that is for GoM and HoD to defend themselves.

But, that does not change the fact that Sorrows, a T7 (and sometimes placing 2nd) lost to Ferg when they first moved down, That means, at the time, FC was comparable to a T7 world, after being demoralized by Kaineng.

If you look at the match history ET and FC have consistently performed very similarly. SF has gradually done better and better each week while ET and FC stay very close in points.

Nope. You can see a very distinct surge in SF’s numbers between week 2 where they were neck and neck with FC, and then in week 3 where they jumped ahead. There was nothing “progressive” about it.

Anyway. No offence to you, but since you can’t affect the outcome of any this, I don’t see what further discussion will yield. As I see, we will just be blowing words at each other for nothing.

Happy hunting and I hope you are at least happy in the tier you are in.

Orikx.9671:

A Quick look at match history shows ET who is a close matchup for FC got domianted in T7.
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/30/#history

Now you just wait a minute.

While I am sure everyone loves pointless links that do not prove anything, Lets look at something a bit more apt to the situation, shall we.

Week 52

Kaineng – 501
Ferg – 48
Eredon – 38

This was the absolute worst they had done against Kaineng as well, this was after many weeks of loosing.

The very next Next Week:
Week 1

Lets see how well Tier 7 fairs against Kaineng
Tier – 7
Kaineng – 548
GoM – 36
HoD – 26

Tier – 8
Sorrows – 211
Ferg – 215
Eredon – 189

What do we see. Ok. Well Tier 7, while they lost horribly against Kaineng (No one is surprised) the real issue here, is they did WORSE then T8 Did against Kaineng at T8’s worst score.

No, look at that, the top two T7 worlds did worse on their opening fight (which is normally when a world does it’s best) then the bottom two T8 worlds did on their worst fight (after losing for 3 weeks straight) .. oh.. and Sorrows, which had been a mostly 2nd place World in T7, Oh yah. They lost too to a T8 world, Ferg in fact.

So, pretty much the week Kaineng moved out of T8, everyone in T7 lost their match to a T8 world.

So spare me any nonsense that T8 does not have fight in them.

Spica.9308:

Why the hell is SF trying so hard to make us fight with each other? lol

Meh. I don’t think SF is trying to make us fight each other, if they are, wow, that would be just desperate, I mean they have the forces to just overrun us both, at the same time.

I think this is just some frustration bubbling up, even if SF does astronomically well, they will be here for at least 2 more weeks, and if they slack off at all, it could quickly extend into another month.

In that time, to be honest, I would rather at this point fight Ferg then SF, as I believe that Ferg would be a more even match up against us and thus offer a better fight then just getting steamrolled by SF.

Would be kinda cool if ET/FC could just Ignore SF and duel it out between us, who gets 2nd and 3rd, make it our own little mini game in WvW.

insanemaniac.2456:

im pretty sure someone on et with a bit of power has a vendetta against fc. its been obvious from the extra attention weve been getting since about this time last week, but the difference is now its happening at the expense of their own borderland and probably costing them more.

Yah, I will have to admit, Pay Back, does seem to aptly describe it. Pretty much, for a while. a few weeks, with the whole “alliance” talk, and being under dogs, a good chunk of ET’s forces were more then happy to leave then entirety that is FC alone, the lack of these forces to back up a move against FC pretty much kept any plans to make a serious move against FC highly limited to say the least.

ET was more then happy to put our focus on SF and our own BL.

At some post, that went pear shaped, and on Friday Reset, Feb 16. FC painted ET’s border Blue. Well, even the ones that did not want to deal with FC, and were happy to extend the olive branch of truce, could not deny what was before them, there was a genuine feeling of having been played by FC, in that regard. You (Someone on FC) asked for an alliance we (a Portion of the people on ET) extended our hand back to you, and we get stomped the following week by you.

Now days, the commanders and guilds that want to attack FC, do not seem to be at a lack to get people willing and riled up to do so, where in the past they were.

Or has been my personal observations on that matter.

Detharos.3157:

I like how the guy calls Fergs opportunists when ET has been on our rear 24/7 since last week and times 90% of its major keep attacks to come in just after SF is already mass zerging one of our other keeps in the same map for an easy flip. Hypocrite much?

First of all: I did not see him calling Ferg any kind of name at all, and even if he did, not like you did any better with your subtle digs at ET in your score match up. And “Opportunist” really? Welcome to WvW.

I mean really, do you think SF goes “Oh wait, this Keep is empty, we should come back at another time when they are ready for us”, do you think SF goes “Oh hai guys, we are here, there are, 67 of us, as we see you have 22, so, take some time to stock up on Supply and call your friends, so this can be an even match up”

Come off it.

Secondly: there is never a time that SF is not zerging someone’s map. So give that card a rest. It would not matter when or where ET attacked, it would always be right around when SF attacked. We could throw a dart at the map and pull a time out of the hat, it would still be “Right when SF attacked”, It’s been that way for the last 4 weeks now.

Lastly: Calling people names? Really?

silverfire.2547:

I’ve kittened at our own people for doing something to the same tune before so I figured I’d let people know that this is not okay.

Hope everyone finds this educational. If you swapped out all the names for SF players, that would be me in that screenshot labeled as ‘priorities straight’.

While I agree about what you say, but I have to ask, was anyone defending the keep when you took it?

I ask this because.

*If there was a defense there, then it might have mattered if they reinforced the walls and such.
*If there was not, then reinforcing the walls would have been wasted gold to the person that ordered it.

So, while I agree, that if the upgrade would affect the outcome, then it is worth it to invest in them, otherwise, they are better off making the golems and going on the offence for the momentary win and into the face of a grad and glorious battle.

Dhar.6392:

Been gone a while… and just stepped in to see what’s it like.

Wv3 is not even worth the bother…. Doubt structured is either.

Gw2 has joined every game in creation… unless you have top gear… you are just fodder for everyone above you.

You’ll get no more badges from me… that’s for darn sure.

Structured PvP is it’s own thing.

Everyone is Fully Leveled to 80 (all abilities and stats) (This is a great way to test a build, FYI). Structured also offers all gear (being equal) and all armors, runes, and stats, equal, so no one is given better gear, only knowing how to mix, match and max your gear matters, but no one is given “better” gear then anyone else.

You are as equal as you could ever hope to be in sPvP.

What I don’t like about sPvP is that is 5v5. If they made it so I could chose to set the map to 1v1, or 2v2, etc, and just have a dueling style of tournament, I’d be all over that.

WvW. yah. gear makes a big impact, same as PvE tho. So, no difference there.

But it’s not just gear, it’s skill, it knowing how to use combos, it’s being able to see your target, it’s about being out numbered 20 – 1 and having no idea it’s really that bad till they are on top of you. It’s about cheesy classes attracting the players that like cheesy classes and then zerg balling you, or attacking from behind, setting you up, knowing they have the advantage.

There is a lot more to the WvW then Gear Score, that is true, but if it not your thing, nothing will make it so.

duckideva.6358:

I really, really like the idea of WvW servers that are independent of the PVE server.

Same here.

I also think they should give better/cooler stuff for WvW.

Like maybe getting Tokens for Towers, Keeps, Camps, and you trade those in for Armor/Weapon skins (like Dungeon Tokens)

Each armor having it’s own distinct design so players could spot if someone was in total Exotic Keep Armor, or Complete Exotic Tower gear, etc, etc.

Have it so Camp Tokens only gave Low level armors, not exotics.

Then have a Castle Tokens that you could trade in for back Slots, like Wahammer Banner Poles and the like.

I mean really, there is a lot they can do with the WvW dynamic, making it it’s own game, as opposed to the annexed off PvE game that it is right now.

drmicro.7659:

Sorry to say that i disagree with you all, the solution isnt less servers. But rather more servers. If you double the tiers, instead of 8 make it 16, then using the same formulas would allow more diversity amongst the server populations. The increased servers would allow for less server load, which equate less lag for ppl playing.

You know. This is very true. The main problem is the lack of servers, and thus the numbers being too small to make up good matches.

What they could do is make WvW Servers, that players go to, Pick your WvW Server, which would have no bearing on your PvE server.

This way, they could make 60, even 90 “mini” servers just for WvW (lets say cap a Single WvW Server at say around 800, but with an open door structure so a entire guild could claim a single WvW server even if they exceeded 800 members)

And then just add 3 more at a time as needed to meet the supply.

I would expect some guilds to claim a single WvW Server as their Main server, and all their members that WvW would be in that server, in fact they could even make it so a Guild could buy a WvW server to make sure no one else pugs into their runs.

Really doing things that way, might really spice things up in the WvW front, it would restore the idea of Guild Wars (Buhahahaha)

But yah. i agree, the main point of contention is not that we have lower tier servers, but we don’t have enough servers to make for better match -up, we have too few which is what is causing the blow-outs.

Detharos.3157:

Le score update. Nice job with SM Team Bean!

Wish I was there for the taking of SM, Anyway, LOVED the bonus section! Laughed so hard I almost spit my drink out!

katz.8376:

DisplayName.7802:

Btw, did ET get transfers? They are extra bulky tonight…

if we did, i’m not quite sure where they are hiding. i didn’t see a strong force on the field from our side till at least 9:30-10pm (EST) last night, and by strong force, i mean we had enough to generate a 15-20 person zerg to go take towers and had enough to leave 5 guarding the keep. i think we even had a few making mischief in EB at the same time.

earlier in the day (around 6pm EST) i poked around in WvW a bit and we had trouble scraping together 5-6 people at a time… even with a trusted commander to follow.

altho by the time i did finally have to call it a night, due to needing to wake up for work early the next day (yuck), it looks like i probably missed some fun. we were definitely preparing some serious shenanigans! such prettty neat rows. O.O

DANG !

And DOUBLE DANG!

Go TEAM BEAN!

Amins.3710:

Daddicus.6128:

I can’t figure out why anybody plays WvWvW. There are no rewards, huge costs, and the outcome of all battles is determined strictly by which side happens to have the most players.

Can someone please explain what motivates people to play WvWvW?

Thank you.

Can you please explain why anyone in thier right mind is motiviated to PvE?

I mean, really?

Sure.

• It’s in game Wise – Profitable.
• It’s fast. I can do a dungeon in 15 min, or several events which can net some good loot. (I have never gotten any good loot in WvWvW)
• I can solo with ease (Mobs don’t zerg ball me, or use cheep tactics, and there is something to fight solo besides thieves and mezers)
• It’s relaxing, in PvE, I never have to worry about being gang jumped while getting vista or a Poi.
• The Best looking loot comes from PvE.
• I don’t have to deal with people complaining and blaming people if we fail taking down the dragon, or doing maw.
• I never have to worry in PvE if the mobs are going to take a chunk of my home world, they pretty much stay to their side of the map.
• If this map gets stale, I can move to another one and face entirely different opponents and not need to pay for a transfer to do so.

That is just a few, I am sure others could add many more motives and reasons.

Unseen Spectacle.1209:

The best idea I have heard from this thread is Alliance v Alliance. It would be great to be able to play along side some of the people I have fought against on other servers without the need to transfer and it would also allow servers to face a wider variety of competition. However, even if ANet started working on it today, we probably wouldn’t see it until August at the earliest.

Another Solution could be, they could put hard locks on how big an army each server can field at any given time be contingent upon Tier, and that would fix the problem as well. IE: T8 is allowed max 20 people on the map per server.

That would fix the current problem T8 has of dealing with an inflated server and sunshine-warriors just Rofl-stomping everything.

Other Tiers could be unlimited, so this would be just a lock for the bottom Tier, everyone else would be allowed to have their fun as they seem to currently love it.

Another Solution could be to add in NPC worlds to fill a single gap as needed. If a world is more then lets say 300 point variant, with a +/-20 depending on their last match up, they should not be placed together. So Anet could add in some NPC worlds AKA “blank worlds”, and let the Servers that are close together fight it out.

If that means FC and ET battle it out with an NPC or blank world taking up our 3rd slot, then so be it. I would rather that, then what we have right now.

This would allow worlds that were close together to fight, but are currently not allowed to, because of the 3 world system.

Case in point. I think SF would be a better match for GoM and HoD then Darkhaven is being.

Then Darkhaven and NSP could face off, and not need to get stomped all the time. also BP and AR, could face off. SBI and EB could face off, and Mag, CB and YB could face off. etc, you get the idea.

That too would fix the problem.

There is much they could do, and much they are not doing.

In that regard it will hurt them and their reputation when it comes to their future games.

DisplayName.7802:

Fun times for all side
Btw, did ET get transfers? They are extra bulky tonight.

Not that I have seen. In fact, it’s been rather lackluster the last few days, like everyone took a break after we moved to 2nd place.

Last night it seemed quite a few people missed the fun, and there were the shocked and rather amused commentary that hit Map chat of people asking “when did we become blue”

I think that’s looking to be an ongoing joke for a while now, at least.

For many us, we pushed really hard to make 2nd, and I think a few of us took a break after that. If we have bulked up at all, in any level, it has not been during my play time.